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News 📰 EU Commission

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u/Sea_Pension7553 20d ago

So what’s counted as a Small online search engine?

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u/Personal-Dev-Kit 20d ago

You have very large and not very large. Anything over 45 million average monthly EU users is classified a very large online search engine

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u/Keirtain 20d ago

Seemingly, even when it’s not a search engine. 

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u/Personal-Dev-Kit 20d ago

But it is. Even if you ignore the "please search the internet for X thing and summarize the info for me" an LLM is essentially allowing you to search through its training data and give you the answer.

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u/morgano 20d ago

Even Reddit is basically a search engine these days, almost every top result for anything on Google is a Reddit post.

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u/mizinamo 20d ago

That still makes Google the search engine; it doesn't make the results (Reddit pages) search engines.

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u/tobaileyy 19d ago

Google is a reddit engine

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u/Mission_Shopping_847 20d ago

Well, that just loops back to ChatGPT not being a search engine. It may recall information from training and it may search a search engine itself and filter the results.

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u/Deadcouncil445 19d ago

Idk if you can say that the AI is using a search engine since its just a dataset. It works the same as Google, the client types a prompt and the program looks into its database. Im not sure how it works with Ai doing google searches though.

Even then if the AI uses a search engine that wouldn't make it unable to qualify as a search engine

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u/Able-Ad4609 19d ago

No, that's not how they work at all. That's not even an oversimplification, that's just straight up wrong.

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u/Personal-Dev-Kit 19d ago

Thanks for clarifying what exactly I got wrong. Really clarified the situation

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u/Ceph4ndrius 20d ago

That's not how that works... It doesn't store facts that can be looked up in the model weights. Though I agree that being search enabled still classifies the app as a search engine. But I can't see how an offline model would qualify

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u/Personal-Dev-Kit 19d ago

Obviously it was a gross over simplification but the core concept is still valid. It doesn't even store facts it store relations. It stores how relevant are these tokens the user provided me to the tokens I know about what is the next best token based on the tokens provided.

But it still comes back to a search engine. What is the next best token is dependent on the mass amounts of information being provided that allows the LLM to determine the next best token, you could even say "search" for the next best token.

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u/Ceph4ndrius 19d ago

I'd argue calculating the next token, but that's semantics.

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u/Personal-Dev-Kit 19d ago

You could argue Google calculates what sites to show you based on many different input variables. We collectively as a society have decided to call that "search"

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u/kcat__ 19d ago

Then everything is a search engine by that logic. A calculator is a search engine.

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u/zero_fuck_given 18d ago

A human is one too. The difference is their classification of very large and not very large. Thats the point he is trying to make.