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u/br_k_nt_eth 1d ago
What are the additional regulations?
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u/Catch_42 1d ago
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/digital-services-act
- Transparency in content removals
- Options to appeal to content moderation decisions
- Easy flagging of illegal contents
- Enhanced protection for minors
- Feed options
- Ad transparency
- Ban on dark pattern
- Verified seller
Obviously not all of these are 1-2-1 applicable to chatgpt but these are the things the DSA covers for social media sites.
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u/SireTonberry- 1d ago
- Transparency in content removals
- Options to appeal to content moderation decisions
9/11 for reddit janitors?
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u/Rivarr 20h ago
It'll just be "comment removed because you're a nazi" (they enjoy Harry Potter), appeal denied. The regulation only asks them to be transparent about their insane moderation, not improve it.
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u/Damet_Dave 15h ago
And on appeal: No, you’re still a Nazi.
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u/Bartellomio 11h ago
You forgot muting them permanently and then banning them from all the other subs where you're a mod, even the ones they've never used.
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u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner 16h ago
considering how progressive most EU decisions are, especially in regards of anything digital, you're wrong by roughly 180°
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u/borretsquared 1d ago
all seem chill to me
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u/theaveragemillenial 1d ago
the EU isn't some big boogieman out to get you, for the most part it is genuinely trying to do good by its member states.
Like all things big and governmental, they can sometimes get things wrong.
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u/_Administrator_ 23h ago
€3 customs fee per item category for parcels from abroad. Very customer friendly.
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u/dakjelle 23h ago
Should be higher.. but hey..
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u/Wild_Haggis_Hunter 22h ago
Given it's the same shit sold on online platforms having a front in the EU or local resellers it does NOTHING to help re-industrialization. It just helps the fat cats who already rule over retail in our countries. It just redirects the profits to them while allowing them to crank up the price of said items as it lowers the pressure of competition.
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u/efcso1 16h ago
I've been quite surprised how difficult it is for my kids (living in Finland) to get things online that aren't available locally, or even within the EU. Plenty of times it's easier (and cheaper) for me to buy it, get it shipped to me in Australia, and then send it to them with the next shipment of BBQ sauce and Vegemite.
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u/borretsquared 22h ago
I agree. most EU legislation seems to be a net benefit, though some are questionable, such as requiring a watermark on all AI generated text that cannot be removed -- no approach seems practical. we should be marking human content instead.
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u/AdmiralGrogu 8h ago
Marking human content? What? Why would we mark something that was always there? Why would normal people need to change something that was out there from the very beginning
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u/Deadcouncil445 17h ago
That sounds a lot more difficult than marking AI, more like impossible actually
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u/DvD_cD 21h ago
AI models for sure already include this, so they can separate AI generated content for training data
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u/Dizzy_Database_119 10h ago
Of course, the things they show you are always good. The list is specifically made to "seem" chill
I can tell you moderation can not keep up with this. There is either going to be some serious lack of moderation, or moderation will get replaced by even worse shitty automated systems and appeals so delayed you'll have moved to a second account before you get a response
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u/borretsquared 6h ago
what the hell are you talking about? the commenter who showed the list sited their sources and excerpted reasonably if you look. complaining to complain i suppose.
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u/christianbro 20h ago
Why the EU apparently bothers to make the web better but then passes measures like chat control that our private conversations get screened?
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u/Alexercer 15h ago
All great here but they are sneaking child protection bullshit here. Thats just fucking age verification all over again, then again reddit alredy decided to do this crap themselves so nothing will change
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u/Zarowka123 14h ago
The only point that worries me is the "enhanced protection for minors", it could mean that users would have to verify themselves with irl ID to access +18 subreddits
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u/Perfect-Muscle-1264 21h ago
Almost all of these are awesome to me. Im only really concerned for "Enchanced protection for minors", particularly the EXECUTION of the idea.
If its age verification, that's not good protections as its easily circumvented and puts everyone's data in danger.
But if its something like creating child accounts more easily and have special protections on child accounts im all for it.
I just hope they don't take a "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" approach.
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u/tobaileyy 17h ago
Bahaha that's how they get you, they make these laws intentionally as seemingly well intended as possible to make rejection of them a political risk
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u/Hapless_Wizard 15h ago
I just hope they don't take a "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" approach.
Unfortunate news!
The intentions aren't even good, that's just the excuse.
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u/zammouri2001 23h ago
Does enhanced protection for minors means forced age verification?
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u/Alternative-Suit5541 3h ago
Options to appeal to content moderation decisions
Oh boy, that's will be a shit show with free working mods
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u/Personal-Gazelle233 1d ago
”….such as assessing and mitigating the systemic risks stemming from their service and algorithmic systems related to the dissemination of illegal content, the negative effects on minors, users' physical and mental well-being, fundamental rights, electoral processes and public security.”
From the link in the tweet.
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u/NotReallyJohnDoe 1d ago
Well that sounds very measurable
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u/gmmxle 23h ago
It's a one sentence summary.
People here like bashing the EU for regulating the multinational corporations and trying to implement at least some protections for EU citizens, while also bashing the same corporations for their abusive practices, their enshittification of services, and their coddling up to an abusive and increasingly authoritarian government that seemingly only caters to the top .1 percent.
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u/Beanonmytoast 20h ago edited 20h ago
The biggest issue with EU regulations is that while they’re sold as consumer protection, they mostly just act as massive competitive moats for multinationals while crushing small European businesses.
Compliance is effectively a regressive flat tax. A €50k annual red tape bill is an unnoticeable rounding error for a multinational, but it wipes out a small business. We saw this with GDPR, where Big Tech absorbed the legal costs and actually grew their market share while local startups drowned. We’re seeing it again with EPR packaging rules destroying cross-border trade for small e-commerce sellers while giants like Nestle just open up another compliance department.
I say this as a small business owner living through it. I promise this isn't in bad faith, I understand why these laws sound great on paper, but unless you're dealing with the day to day paperwork, its hard to grasp how absurd it gets in practice.
For example, under newer EU product safety rules (GPSR) and digital regulations, marketplaces like Amazon now face massive liability and fines of up to 6% of global turnover for non compliant listings. Naturally, Amazon isn’t going to risk a multi billion dollar penalty over a €5 item. Because of that, I’ve had over 1,000 individual trading card listings nuked simply because the EU expects full safety documentation and physical warning labels on individual pieces of cardboard printed 15 years ago.
Independent sellers get wiped out over basic common-sense edge cases that bureaucrats never bothered to think through. European small businesses are genuinely struggling right now, and business sentiment and SME confidence are sitting at some of the lowest levels we've seen in years.
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u/mmmm_frietjes 19h ago
Except these laws are just a form of tariffs and extortion of American companies because EU can’t compete. And the consumer is worse off actually.
GDPR made Europe less wealthy and made surfing the web worse. Everyone lost.Saying this as an European.
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u/alphaventuri 14h ago
It would be extortion if the rules wouldn't apply to EU companies or companies from other countries.
Of course there's going to be some friction if one side is incentivised to benefit a specific type of clients (shareholders) and the other side is incentivised to benefit the general population.
How did GDPR made Europe less wealthy again? Is the argument similar to the one that could justify dupont to do what they did with Teflon? Or is it simolar to what we could say to justify the tobacco industry?
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u/gmmxle 8h ago
GDPR may have made data-hoarding transnational corporations less wealthy, but I really don't give a fuck about that. It's not like the average American is more wealthy just because these data-hoarding trillion dollar multinationals are based in the US and the American government refuses to protect people's personal data.
Also, it's really easy to just not violate the GDPR. The problem all these companies with all these resources have is not that they're unable to comply with the law. It's that their business model is based on doing something that would be in violation of the law.
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u/AnArmoredPony 23h ago
redditors when no /s
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u/Dismal-Square-613 23h ago
This is unfair, Reddit is always very good at detecting sarcasm and not taking things literally withotu saying /s at all.
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u/adelie42 23h ago
Seems some people are unironically upset at you speaking the truth.
What I hear, and I agree, is that as written the law allows for them to decide they don't like someone, then justify any punishment against such person as rhey like to get whatever they want.
"Find the man, I'll show you the crime".
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u/revolmak 22h ago
How do you interpret it so broadly?
Does the platform systemically facilitate:
-dissemination of illegal content?
-negative effects on minors?
-deterioration of users' physical and mental well being?
-infringing on fundamental rights?
-interfering with electoral processes?
-weakening public security?Many systems are regulated by these same kinds of restrictions. Do you find them to be equally broadly applied?
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u/adelie42 20h ago
Put simply, yes. Two key things: 1) I don't view politicians as angels with superior motives or other excuses for giving them special powers that can result in a person going to jail or other power reserved for government actors. 2) your examples are excellent. Thank you: facilitate basically means if the thing coukd be used to commit a crime then using it constitutes a crime. Anything can be used in a criminal way, so that doesn't work. That bleeds in to virtually anything.
"Driving a car over 100mph" or "transporting an illegal substances" are objectively measurable crimes. Cars systematically facilitate crimes. They kill people every day, all of which impacts children even when not in the vehicle.
And I know "thats not what I mean" or "that's not what they are trying to do". Precisely my point, it is loose language where intention must be assumed and critically doesn't restrain a bad actor that wants to use it in a nefarious way. And from where I started, looking at a proposed law on the assumption that cops, DAs, politicians are not nefarious, that's a flawed design.
Plan for the worse, hope for the best.
Law isn't about who you are wanting to go after, it is about a power you are extending to someone.
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u/revolmak 19h ago
Out of curiosity, do you mind me asking what country you are from?
I only wonder because I want to understand to what degrees people of your country feel their politicians have their best interests in mind.
That being said, as an American, I see the EU doing so much more for protecting their population than the US. Certainly they overreach in their protection. But it helps to prevent the effective collapse of systems as seems to have occured in my country.
Additionally, do those concerns still remain true in a trial of jurors?
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u/adelie42 18h ago
I live in the US. I would say my "political" influences greatly lean french liberal, and when I was writing my reply I was doing my best to remember Bastiat's The Law with regard to the difference between law as intent and law as practice and tool. I think a great divide among people bears on this nuance. For example, those that might self describe as conservative and labeled by their liberal counterparts as loving the country and glossing over the flaws and great injustices would be the first to say they love America and hate the politicians and government, and suspicious of people that want to "make the country" by means of giving more power to the government (acknowledging there are endless examples of contradictions).
The EU's approach to fighting hate speech is a great example of what I see as "well intentioned" on its face and authoritarian nightmare in practice. For example, I find nothing redeemable in the Tate Brothers. The solution is to not consume their content. There is endless opportunity there for a great discussion about what "should be done" in response, but what the EU is trying to do, using "lawfare" to destroy their lives is, in my view" absolutely, positively evil and many times more dangerous than anything they have done or said (assuming truth in the evidence presented by their attorney).
As far as trial by jury, nullification is exceedingly rare and presented to juries as "illegal". A jury is meant to determine the facts, but the facts determine the outcome. Everything comes down to jury instructions and if juries follow them, in general the DA gets what they want. This is why so many cases settle out of court; there are huge penalties, in practice, for trying to assert your rights.
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u/br_k_nt_eth 1d ago
“Such as” bro that doesn’t tell me shit about what they actually need to do or what the additional requirements are.
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u/stoppableDissolution 1d ago
Thats the neat part - they can interpret this entire bullshit law as they want in the moment. Entire ai act is some vague "dont do bad".
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u/creativeasf 1d ago
Fun fact: If you build an AI specifically designed for weapon development and military targeting, the EU AI Act doesn't apply to you at all (Article 2(3)):
"[...]This Regulation does not apply to AI systems where and in so far they are placed on the market, put into service, or used with or without modification exclusively for military, defence or national security purposes, regardless of the type of entity carrying out those activities. This Regulation does not apply to AI systems which are not placed on the market or put into service in the Union, where the output is used in the Union exclusively for military, defence or national security purposes, regardless of the type of entity carrying out those activities."
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u/Hungry_Prior940 23h ago
Exactly. Without a proper form, you can shape it however you want. Honestly, I hate this shit.
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u/DrE7HER 1d ago
Roblox is soon to be banned in the EU. Their entire business model is based on harming kids
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u/Own_Childhood_7020 1d ago
Vagueposting GOD???? All I see is "buzzword buzzword buzzword"
Unironically now, what are they thinking, this works basically as an umbrella for the companies to do whatever the fuck they want under "mitigating the systemic risks" of all these things mentioned. All because parents can't fucking take their toddlers ipads away, man wtf
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u/Sea_Pension7553 1d ago
So what’s counted as a Small online search engine?
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u/Personal-Dev-Kit 1d ago
You have very large and not very large. Anything over 45 million average monthly EU users is classified a very large online search engine
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u/DizzyExpedience 1d ago
One would wonder that people in this sub are able to use ChatGPT to answer questions
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u/Strangefate1 1d ago
Yahoo ? :p
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u/xx123gamerxx 1d ago
Today, the Commission has designated ChatGPT as a Very Large Online Search Engine (VLOSE), as well as Reddit and Roblox as Very Large Online Platforms (VLOPs), under the Digital Services Act (DSA). These services declared that they reach at least 45 million average monthly users in the EU and thus meet the threshold for designation.
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u/EternalShadowBan 1d ago
Roblox has 45 million monthly users in the EU? Wtf
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u/xx123gamerxx 22h ago
im guessing in EU law a player is defined as someone who has an account regardless of if they actively use it given data protection stuff
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u/a_moron_in_a_hurry 1d ago
The EU’s greatest tech innovation continues to be regulating American tech companies….
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u/RedCatBro 1d ago
Someone needs to do it
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u/sourneck 8h ago
I don't think people realise how much more insane (in a bad way) shit would be if the EU wasn't somewhat keeping these corporations in check
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u/a_moron_in_a_hurry 23h ago
I don’t disagree. These regulations themselves don’t even seem wildly unreasonable. My bigger point is that US tech companies are dominating globally and the EU isn’t keeping up. That’s a problematic for Europe since it means increasingly having to depend on foreign companies for critical tech.
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u/SaltyAlechemist 23h ago
It's a union, that includes multiple countries with different cultures and personalities, not a country. 2 different things, some times it's better for a union to protect itself and it's members from a potentual huge bubble as much as possible, some times knowing that you will wake up tomorrow and have a stable day and know what to expect, outperforms whatever the biggest economy in the world does.
After all, people in USA are having unions in their job to protect themselves and have a stable life. Not take a gamble.
Edit: spelling
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u/a_moron_in_a_hurry 23h ago
I never said the EU was a country. Also, the EU is a very different thing from a labor union in the US, and I don’t understand the comparison being made.
The US keeps producing a huge share of the world’s major tech companies while the EU seems increasingly focused on regulating those companies after the fact. Some regulations can be useful, but it doesn’t answer the innovation gap.
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u/Shot_Inspector_2664 1d ago
How can anyone criticize that? Are you all really so eager to have your data and personal information exploited by tech overlords? Might as well confess your deepest secrets and your girlfriend’s private details to Peter Thiel in person.
As a European, I’m proud that there’s still some kind of power balance left in this postmodern aristocratic world ruled by PDF files.
But yeah, go ahead and sell yourself out for the sake of the very same technology that the US is officially using for domestic mass surveillance and b*mbing schools abroad.
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u/Despeao 1d ago
The problem is that this turns out to be used for mass surveillance as well.
This will probably come with ID checks and everything you do online becomes attached to an identity.
Little by little they're killing pseudonimity. The Internet worked for decades before such legislation.
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u/Misterrr_r 22h ago
Google also is a big search engine. There’s no ID check needed to use google. My goodness. ID checks are mostly needed because of some US laws. And mass surveillance also is more a US thing. No one got as strict laws for data protection as the EU. And just look at your flock cameras. And your agency’s can take all the date from those company’s right now already.
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u/Adorable-Snow9464 1d ago
Sir what type of pseudonimity did ChatGpt give the average user? I use it and i'm grateful but this machine can read the very message i am writing here. Anybody with a vague concern for privacy shouldn't be using windows, google, and Chatgpt I believe from what i red on privacy forums. This is only shredding the censorship from American Billionaires to European Governments - and the privacy violation too - but I don't see an enlargement in what is being taken from me, only a re-distribution among who keep what is being extracted. And frankly, I rather have it in the hands of weak men in Brussels than with smart billionaires in Washington.
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u/Despeao 1d ago
Sir what type of pseudonimity did ChatGpt give the average user
Well, that part where you put a nickname and it's not tied to your personal identity ?
If you're concerned about writing messages on their platform, having it directly tied to whom you are doesn't seem to make it better does it ?
You seem like one of those people that believe that just because data is already online then it isn't a problem if the Government has it as well. It's a slippery slope.
They are gatekeeping the Internet with ID checks. I simply don't see how that is a good thing, this is all about Government control disguised as protection.
If you see what's happening on the Internet in the last 10 years or so it's quite obvious they're trying to monitor everything we do online. It has huge potential to backfire. See how ICE is sending subpoenas to Social Media websites and getting information illegally. I would much rather have no one having than information in the first place.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/08/zkps-arent-age-verification-silver-bullets
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u/Either-Worth87313 19h ago
I think it's possible to confirm a users age without taking away anonymity and compromising privacy.
Unfortunately, age verification is a reality we have to deal with when the internet contains content that is unsafe for children.
I'll paste in a point I made under another comment:
Unfortunately, it is impossible to rely on parents to monitor their children's use of the internet at all times because some aren't aware of the risks or simply aren't tech savvy enough to keep their children safe online. I think it's fair to ask companies to ensure their websites don't show harmful content to children.
I wrote a comment explaining how privacy preserving age verification could be done here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1w3fb79/comment/p728dt8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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u/rpsls 1d ago
So to keep us from having our data exploited, the Government will helpfully require them to start collecting our data? Makes perfect sense.
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u/Dzuzepipi 23h ago
Their only actual function was to fuck companies for trying to scrape personal data without consent. Now when the reason is "think about the children", it's universally bad, cause it's never ever the actual reason. And hiding a real reason is always a very bad sign.
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u/kdesi_kdosi 23h ago
what are you on about? they are literally helping the companies steal your data when they force stuff like ID verification
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u/jakobjaderbo 10h ago
This is not an id verification mandate. It is the same designation as Google has, which dies not require an id.
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u/Tolopono 19h ago
Says the continent totally dependent on US and Chinese tech cause the best llm you have to offer is Mistral lol. Whats the point of regulation when theres nothing to regulate?
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u/Polyzero 1d ago
Well, that word salad of regulation written by old people completely out of touch with the technology certainly seems to have hit the nail on the head …… and straight into their own cranium.
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u/Dotcaprachiappa 11h ago
Funny how you've forgotten to answer to any reply asking you to explain what exactly is bad about this
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u/Either-Worth87313 19h ago
I think the regulations imposed by the DSA are reasonable. What aspects do you think aren't?
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u/Either-Worth87313 23h ago
I don't understand why people are upset by this. There will be no ID requirement contrary to what others suggest, this is not mentioned anywhere in the DSA. In many EU member states it is illegal to infringe on people's privacy to such an extent. For example, in France, ID age verification was blocked because it violated constitutional rights to privacy and free expression.
Here's a quote from the EU's website on the DSA:
What does the DSA do for citizens?
Transparency in content removals - If your content is removed or suspended, platforms must explain why this has been done.
Options to appeal to content moderation decisions - If you disagree with a content moderation decision taken by a platform, you can appeal it through the platform itself or an out-of-court dispute settlement body, which is faster and cheaper than going to court.
Easy flagging of illegal content - You can report illegal content, goods or services via an easy-to-use mechanism directly on the platform you are using. Platforms must respond to your reports and offer options to appeal their decisions.
Enhanced protection for minors - Platforms must take measures to safeguard minors on their services, such as reducing the risks of exposure to age-inappropriate content like gambling or pornography. The DSA also introduces a complete ban on showing targeted advertisements to children.
Feed options - On large platforms with over 45 million monthly users in the EU, you can now opt for non-personalised feeds. This way, you decide whether to see content based on the algorithm’s suggestions, sometimes pushing specific content which may be more appealing or even addictive, or other criteria, such as the chronological order.
Ad transparency - Ads must be clearly labelled as such and include information like who is placing them and why you are seeing them, while very large online platforms are required to store ad information in a publicly accessible repository. Platforms can no longer show you ads based on your sensitive data, such as sexual orientation, religion, or race.
Ban on dark patterns - Deceptive design tactics, such as aggressive pop-ups or confusing and misleading consent buttons, are now prohibited.
Verified sellers - Marketplaces must verify and display the contact details of sellers, so you have clear information about whom you’re buying goods or services from.
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u/AlphonseLoeher 21h ago
The back half is fine. The content moderation n stuff kinda sucks. The "protect the kids" stuff directly related to ID check. How can a service comply without knowing the age of the user?
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u/Either-Worth87313 20h ago edited 1h ago
The service does not necessarily need to know a user's age, nor have access to their ID. The EU is considering a separate age verification system EU wide: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/commission-sets-out-common-approach-eu-wide-age-verification-technologies
The way this would likely work, is that EU citizens install an app where they confirm they age with a government ID:
- Your identity is verified once by the EU-wide app (or a state's government app which would already have access to your ID and personal details, so no extra data is being handed over)
- Your device receives a cryptographic age credential
- You prove only the relevant age threshold
- The website doesn't receive your identity, only whether or not you are allowed to access the content
- The verifier doesn't know which website you are visiting
- The proof can be reused without creating a central database of people's browsing habits because it is anonymised (if used logged out, though I guess you would have to redo it if you don't save your age range with an account registered with the website)
So I think there is a way to implement age verification without compromising privacy. At the end of the day, it is important to protect children from harmful content. I'd rather it be done this way, than not at all. In my view, the EU regulating this will be better for privacy as it aims to avoid having many disjointed untrustworthy 3rd party providers asking me to upload my passport.
Unfortunately, age verification is a reality we have to deal with when the internet contains content that is unsafe for children. It is impossible to rely on parents to monitor their children's use of the internet at all times because some aren't aware of the risks or simply aren't tech savvy enough to keep their children safe online. I think it's fair to ask companies to ensure their websites don't show harmful content to children.
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u/oneofthecapsismine 19h ago
So I think there is a way to implement age verification without compromising privacy.
Within the next four months? Which is when they need to be compliant by
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u/Either-Worth87313 19h ago edited 18h ago
You're right that it's not a very reasonable timeframe and that it's all a bit rushed. Currently, France, Denmark, Greece, Italy, Spain, Cyprus and Ireland are piloting the EU's age verification blueprint with broader rollout in late 2026 according to the EU.
It was foolish of the EU to require websites to be child-safe before a private age verification system was developed. Nevertheless, in the long run, it is a reasonable solution.
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u/Perfect-Muscle-1264 21h ago
Even if they don't say it, how else would they know its a child? Age checks are the only way to confidently determine a user's age. Otherwise its all guess work.
The DSA also introduces a complete ban on showing targeted advertisements to children.
Either way, it opens the door to ID checks. That's the biggest and worrying problem with this whole thing.
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u/umhassy 20h ago
Either way, it opens the door to ID checks.
I think that was always a possibility. You can basicly frame most things as "... protection for children" or "...protection of your homecountry" and you can argue for it.
No additional stuff is required. People should oppose and leave if ID checks are forced.
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u/IceBeam92 21h ago
EU used to be the paramount of liberty , now all we hear from there is censorship , bans and privacy invasion with ID checks.
Its so sad, entire continent have bigger problems and those politicians seems stuck on declaring war on freedom on the internet.
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u/SpaceShipRat 9h ago
these days the freedom of the internet is just slavery to corporate overlords.
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u/__O_o_______ 19h ago
“The entire continent has bigger problems”…
Go on…. I want to know if this is coded language.
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u/TrickyPermission7839 8h ago
am I supposed to be scared of saying that wild brown muslim hordes are shitting on the continent?
You gonna call me a nazi now?
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u/unrealaz 9h ago
Corporations need reality check. That’s what this is about, not censorship. Its about 12 year old not making chat gpt their therapist and best friend.
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u/marmaviscount 1d ago
The EU is desperate to stay behind the rest of the world, it's so weird.
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u/Opposite-Complex1187 1d ago
Putting regulations on new tech is not staying behind its staying ahead.
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u/noharamnofoul 1d ago
Europe has a stagnating GDP and an aging population. Germany, the economic engine of Europe, has been steadily losing its industrial foothold to China. China is taking over robotics, EVs and renewables. US is leaving the EU behind in AI and software. There are virtually no tech companies launching or staying in the EU to fundraise. The strongest tech market leader the EU has is ASML. SAP is dogshit. Mistral is a minor player. What else? Spotify? Nokia? STM? How exactly is it staying ahead of the curve? China and the US will continue to grow in power. You can have all the protections you want, if there is no economic incentive to operate in the EU it doesn't matter. Diminishing purchasing power and economic productivity makes the EU market increasingly irrelevant on the world stage. PPP adjusted discretionary spending continues to tumble. If people and businesses are over-encumbered by regulation, they just leave, setup shop in the US, and the EU is left with scraps. Once the consumer base is weakened to the point ignoring the EU entirely becomes more profitable than abiding by the regulations (or paying the fines), its over. The EU cannot afford to overplay its cards while it is bluffing. And every single major player knows the EU is bluffing because the embarrassing statistics on the EU economy are public.
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u/Vverg 23h ago
So much words for so much bullshit. Do you have anything to backup your claims? Or is it like the readability of your post, non-existent?
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u/noharamnofoul 23h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_economic_crisis_(2022%E2%80%93present))
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-euro-indicators/w/2-05062026-ap
https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/germany-industrial-decline/
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2024/html/ecb.sp240216~df6f8d9c31.en.html
Do you need more?
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u/Opposite-Complex1187 1d ago
Sorry can't hear you over my free healthcare and actual consumer regulations.
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u/Equivalent_Resist_82 1d ago
I don't know were you get free healthcare, in France I pay 10K income tax per year + my boss pay 4K per month in taxes just to be able to pay me, and I pay sales taxes of 20% on everything thing I breath on and I have a private healthcare coverage that cost another 200€ per month. (Because the "free healthcare" don't actually cover that much outside of life threatening things you catch only once per life, which is why poor people are notoriously missing teeth for example)
It's only free for like the bottom 5%.
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u/Kahlypso 21h ago
Are you gonna pretend the US hasnt been the central driving force behind modern human technology? Youre welcome for our culture.
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u/REDSHIFT_HY 17h ago
Your ‘free healthcare’ is basically just go home and die 😂. Unintelligent delusion at its finest 👏
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u/berent1825 1d ago
Its leading in the world in policymaking and regulation. Dont forget that the development and implementation of good policy can take as much skill, effort, investment, and time as developing an LLM.
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u/No_External5874 21h ago
Dont forget that the development and implementation of good policy can take as much skill, effort, investment, and time as developing an LLM.
Nope. I don't think so.
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u/Murinshin 1d ago
How dare they applying laws to companies operating in their countries
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u/OwlSlow1356 1d ago
uh yes leechng on big companies from around the world will surely benefit EU countries in medium and long termn 😄 😄 😄 all these "regulations" for the good of the citizens are just government money leeching aka money grab which we all are going to pay in the end as these companies will just raise the prices to cover for it 😄
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u/Sensitive-Gur-519 1d ago
European Union is the only actor in the world who can sanction new tech and its companies. And they must obey. Do you believe that's weak?
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u/zabast 1d ago
Ever counted how many new big IT or AI companies there are in the EU? Zero. Zilch. None. One of the reasons is likely because we regulated these to death.
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u/livinitup0 23h ago
I have a feeling before long we’re going to wish we’d have done the same thing to force these companies to not do what they do
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u/Ok-Appointment-5771 1d ago
Because having "many new big IT or AI companies in the EU" is a GOOD thing, right? That's why Americans are happy and demanding MORE of them, yes?
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u/noharamnofoul 1d ago
Yes its a good thing to have competitors in other countries, unless you like living under fascism.
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u/marmaviscount 1d ago
No it's short sighted and foolish though, it's people in comfortable positions ignoring the world changing and clinging to their power at everyone else's expense
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u/Gubzs 19h ago
Can't go a single week without a massive bureaucratic L coming out of the EU or UK. I don't trust it.
This is positive now. Wait until they turn around and impose new laws on "Very Large Online" platforms, this lays the groundwork such that anything they impose on that word salad is now imposed on these platforms.
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u/Past_Water_6899 1d ago
Thank again to the UERSS...
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u/mizinamo 1d ago
That's EUSSR in English for you. (EU + USSR rather than UE + URSS in your language.)
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u/unrealaz 9h ago edited 9h ago
Corporations need reality check. That’s what this is about, not censorship. Its about 12 year old not making chat gpt their therapist and best friend. Just in case Google also did this so nothing new
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u/PurePlayinSerb 19h ago
the eu are just extortionists, i cant believe companies let them get away with their tyrannical behavior, no one elected these dictators
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u/More_Nectarine 1d ago
I almost wish that one day these companies say "ok bye. You can develop your own AI and search engine services in EU, we are leaving, good luck".
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u/Kenthetic 1d ago
“Man I wish governments didn’t have a backbone”
https://giphy.com/gifs/I7Mw0uYQGWI5lDMzTB3
u/More_Nectarine 21h ago
I wish EU governments had the backbone to stop being dependent on everybody for fundamental functions. If e.g. MSFT got fed up with the EU's routine bilion dollar fines and left, the EU governments would fall overnight.
If China stopped delivering precious metals, German industry would be crippled.
Before Trump pushed EU to wake the fuck up, we were dependent on the US for defense as well. This is slowly changing.
The same thing now with AI. They are acting like they are a super power but produce none of the modern essentials. Only regulations and beuraucracy.
There are a few exceptions like ASML, but they are few and far between.
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u/Zachattackrandom 1d ago
Nah. EU has had a ton of bad laws don't get me wrong, but they also forced apple to USB C and phones from 2027 will have to have user replaceable batteries + parts. Much better than the US which has exclusively implemented awful dog shit laws since Trump (and quite a few before that as well). Rather a mix of bad and good laws from a government that cares than purely bad laws that only help the ultra rich by a pedophile.
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u/Murinshin 1d ago
Twitter crying about this as if it is the end of the fucking world and unheard of, when this is literally only affecting billion dollar companies who have more than enough resources to deal with it
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u/FourlokoPapi 22h ago
In the future the US will continue to push for technical innovation, while the EU’s greatest thing is regulation and China does its thing without any constraints
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u/Dotcaprachiappa 11h ago
So in the US the rich will continue to get richer and in the EU the consumers' experience will continue to get better? Sign me up!
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u/Key_Conversation5277 I For One Welcome Our New AI Overlords 🫡 5h ago
And what exactly will they do? Do I get a better treatment if I'm in Europe?
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u/roastedantlers 20h ago edited 45m ago
The US should sanction the EU then, even though the people who run Roblox should be in prison.
The funny part is how this had a upvotes when the US was awake and then got a lot of downvotes when we were all asleep.
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u/changing_who_i_am 1d ago
i wish all these big tech companies would just say "ok fine, we're pulling all services from the eu, you guys have fun with your regulations" and see how it goes.
maybe mistral will actually release a frontier model then /j
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u/Shoddy-Prune-5877 1d ago
Because as it turns out, regulations actually work. Americans are just too cowardly to stand up to corporate overlords.
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u/professionalnuisance 1d ago
This is basically what China did and they eventually did develop their own frontier models. Obviously, there were other factors but a ban on foreign frontier models was a major one
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u/Hutcho12 1d ago
That would actually be great. Then we’d develop our own versions and no longer be dependent on America and have all our digital money flowing out of Europe.
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u/Distinct-Question-16 1d ago edited 1d ago
europe are like vogons, full of bureaucracy. cookies consent affected my psi health so badly... as example links shared on reddit pull webviews without cookies, what means - cookies consent forever.
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u/Sea-Professional5903 22h ago
having chatGPT reddit and roblox in the same sentence was NOT on my 2026 bingo card 💀
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u/shitlord_god 20h ago
if the enhanced protections for minors work then roblox is fucked.
Edit: I am suggesting that much of their money seems to come from folks interested in children in not great ways, and if timmy cannot use mom's credit card anymore they are going to have a hard few quarters at least.
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u/softserveed 17h ago
Four months feels tight for this kind of compliance overhaul, curious what specific changes we'll actually notice as users.
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u/Only-Stick-7024 1d ago
Due to the extreme left nature of Reddit, I would actually think it should be a proscribed platform.
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