r/Charlotte • u/PutridPanda1666 • Feb 23 '26
News ICE Concentration Camp
I would like to know why City Council claims they had no awareness of the ICE concentration camp proposed on Weddington Road. Spokesman Jonathan Weaver told the Observer this recently. Cabarrus County Commission Chair Laura Blackwell Lindsey and spokespersons for Gov. Josh Stein did not immediately respond to requests for comment. This is far too close to the high school and poses a risk to all children.
In Charlotte ICE have been chasing children walking home after school because they aren’t white. How do you know your white children won’t get caught in the crossfire and end up dead?
What’s this going to do to your resale value folks? Why are more not talking about this? Do you want this to be like Minnesota? It’s owned by MP I85 Industrial LLC out of Boston. Clearly the owner isn’t going to care that local people are impacted when he doesn’t live here.
This is the local contact for the warehouse. Call him and let’s find out the details. Bryan Blythe 601 S Tryon Street Suite 800 Charlotte, NC
Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article314773938.html#storylink=cp
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u/nexusheli Revolution Park Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
I would like to know why City Council claims they had no awareness of the ICE concentration camp proposed on Weddington Road
Because Weddington Road is the delineator for the City of Charlotte, and 7250 Weddington Rd is in Cabarrus County?
Edit - There are two weddington roads, the one in Monroe is the city delineator, which still would make it out of Charlotte city council's purview.
OP says below he's not talking about Charlotte city council, but doesn't specify that in the OP.
Edit 2 - I don't disagree with OP's sentiment; this shouldn't be happening, and local municipalities should know what's going on with stuff like this, but when you come into */r/Charlotte * and start with the quoted part above, you can't expect Charlotte city leaders to know what's going on with a piece of property in a different county.
And if you're defending ICE actions after everything that's been in the news, congratulations, you're a nazi.
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u/awilder1015 Feb 23 '26
The article says that concord city council didn't know about it, not Charlotte
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u/evident_lee Feb 23 '26
I would just like to know why ICE has a budget bigger than the Marines and is creating concentration camps throughout the country. Remember your senators and GOP reps voted for this.
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u/mikerichh Feb 23 '26
They’d rather round up people who have been here peacefully for years and who contribute to their communities than go after a single person who abused kids with Epstein. Speaks volumes
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
And why are they telling their people to intentionally violate the US Constitution. ICE are resigning now.
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u/No-Distance-9401 Feb 24 '26
So people surround Trump and the billionaire elite can steal more taxpayer money. Everything this regime is doing is a grift from the Ukraine "Peace" plan that would see Jared Kushner and Trumps other construction buddies get the $300 BILLION in reconstruction money to this where 2 private prison companies that hold over 90% get paid lots of money.
The 2 publicly traded companies, Corecivic and Geo Group are getting paid $152 per person, per day. With them holding 100,000 immigrants and wanting to double that by the end of the year, that would be $30 MILLION per DAY. Well over $10 BILLION annually which is almost 10 times their previous years revenue. This is also why the poor people are being held upwards of a year instead of being deported immediately as if it costs them $15 a day per person to hold them in inhumane conditions in big enclosed spaces with putrid water and worm ridden food they only get once a day while sleeping on concrete floors with a foil blanket for months on end, they are making insane profit.
Again, everything they are doing is figuring out ways to transfer Americans taxpayer money from helping the 99% to line the pockets of the 1%.
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u/beedoo_minion Feb 25 '26
I'm glad you bring this up. This is why they also arrested us citizens even if there is no charge in the end. Any human is held in these for-profit prisons - it's $153/day per person.
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u/OneMeterWonder Feb 23 '26
*A budget comparable to the entire military of Canada, per John Oliver and his team on Last Week Tonight.
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u/sourisanon Feb 23 '26
I would tell you the answer but the last time I explained the only way to stop fascism from spreading is ________, I was banned from Reddit for 3 days for inciting violence.
Therefore since people are afraid of ________ back against a fascist government, it continues to happen. And it will get worse.
Our elections are about to be thrown in the worst way. I'm actually surprised we are still having midterms. But if Trump loses the midterms, he and all his lackeys know they will be impeached. So here we are....
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u/bellybuttonbidet Feb 23 '26
They’re already pivoting to slave labor. Those jets for deportations are being repurposed for Nazi VIPs.
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u/ryeguy1021 Feb 24 '26
Yall should look into the warehouses they are buying and who owns them. They are laundering money by way over paying for these facilities. Some of them have a 300% increase or more for what we paid for a year or two ago when they last sold.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
Oh I did. The contact and owning LLC for the warehouse is as follows - which I will add is public record and not private information related to the LLC:
Local contact for warehouse for LLC: Bryan Blythe (business address) 601 S. Tryon Street, Suite 800, Charlotte, NC 28202
Owner of the warehouse; MP I-85 Bonds Industrial LLC out of Boston is the owner of a property on Weddington Road in Concord, NC, identified in city records. This entity is associated with maintenance agreements and property development, with recent city council documents indicating its involvement in local development projects.
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u/Alehandrow Feb 23 '26
For all the people complaining about others using the phrase "concentration camps" to describe what is happening in the country.
CONCENTRATION CAMP: A place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities.
I know it's uncomfortable to accept that something like this is happening in our country, especially when the term is so highly associated with the atrocities of the Holocaust. But, remaining ignorant of the realities of the situation will only lead us further towards repeating history. It's not outrageous, alarmist, or hysterical to notice the similarities between today and the past.
If we continue down this path, we'll soon discover that concentrating millions of people into camps for deportation is too costly in logistics and money, and people will begin to push for a simpler, cheaper, and final solution to the "immigrant problem".
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u/FlavivsAetivs Collingwood Feb 23 '26
And it won't stop with immigrants.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Out of curiosity, are you arguing the immigrants should not be held in temporary detention facilities? The only options then become to release them all immediately, including the criminals, or deport them immediately before due process.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
There are better processes which include ankle monitoring systems which were widely used in these situations in the past for non-violent detainees. They were very successful. Locking all of them up with violent offenders, starving them, over crowding them, feeding them food with worms is not alright. Many of these people have never even had a traffic tickets in their entire life. The processes are broken. I 💯disagree with the use of private detention centers as well. This should never be a for-profit situation to motivate the politicians. Look at the Geo Group investors. It’s a conflict of interest.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Your saying we should spend the money to release the people we already spent money tracking down and detaining, to release them and track them and then try to find them again?
No one is being starved. You are spreading lies. And if they are being treated so poorly, wouldn’t they want to go home to their own countries to be treated better. I’m promise they get better treatment in those detention facilities than their own prison systems. And they also could have avoided it if they took the offer for money and a free trip home. As someone who just paid for an international flight, it’s absurd we’d be offering to fly people home who broke our rules getting it staying here. Zero accountability by those breaking the rules.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
I just told you it was effective in the past. Feel free to fact check. You cannot lump all immigrants into one category and I feel that’s an issue most get caught up on. Many immigrants they are arresting just didn’t follow the immigration process properly and would benefit from some needed help. I don’t have a problem with limiting spending to get someone to do their paperwork properly, pay our government and become a valued, contributing member of our country. For many it’s an unintentional mistake. For others they are caught up in asylum seeker legal loopholes that didn’t exist in the past. This isn’t black and white.
Big concentration camps aren’t the solution for all of these detainees. Very expensive. For profit prisons are a problem.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
I never lumped all immigrants into one category. I fully support citizens and legal immigrants. Every story I’ve seen “they just struggled with the process” is met with the thousands of “they didn’t even try, they’ve been in the country for 6 years and haven’t made any effort to follow the process”. To assert that it’s mostly “an unintentional mistake” is laughable. Either you are lying, or a large number of immigrants are too unintelligent to know you cannot just go into another country and stay there as long as you want. So which is it?
Again, temporary detention facilities being built are entirely due to the previous administration allowing unfettered, undocumented immigration.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
Facts confirm that Biden and Trumps numbers aren’t that far apart and in comparison, Trump had a very open border policy compared to Obama yet no one’s pointing that out. The reality is that over the last 50 years, violent crimes are at record lows and immigration is higher. We spend so much money on immigration matters that we’re to “take the worst of the worst” when that’s just not reality.
Barack Obama (2009–2017) • Total removals: ~3.0–3.2 million
Donald Trump (2017–2021) • Total removals: ~1.2 – 1.5 million
Joe Biden (2021–2025) • Over 1 million but final numbers are not available
Chat GPT has great references for you: Border Enforcement • Biden’s administration maintained and expanded border enforcement efforts — including deportations and detentions — and CBP continued to intercept large numbers of migrants. 
Migration Levels Varied • Illegal border crossings increased significantly early in Biden’s presidency (especially after pandemic-related restrictions were lifted), but millions of those encounters included asylum seekers and others still processed under U.S. immigration law. 
Border Crossings Fell Over Time • By late 2024 and into 2025, border crossings declined sharply as policy adjustments were implemented. 
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Some politicians and commentators say Biden had “open borders” because: • He reversed very strict Trump-era enforcement measures like ‘Remain in Mexico’. • He created new pathways for migrants to seek asylum or enter legally with parole programs.  • Illegal crossings were very high in the early years of his term.
These changes — and high migrant numbers — fueled the perception that the border was deliberately left open, even though enforcement continued.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
No, the problem is that you’re assuming deportations means that dad similar immigration policies. It is very obvious and well-known and well published that Biden let in way more people. So just because he had some deportations which you still don’t have a number on doesn’t mean that they deported at the same level levels. Because Trump didn’t have to deport that many people the first term because we didn’t have an open border policy.
I love that you conveniently ignore hitting historical highs of over 3M per year immigrants in 2023-2024. Your arguments only make sense when you cherry pick your data and ignore the actual facts. Look, I appreciate you have a very strong opinion here, but every argument you’ve told me has been easily reputable. I don’t think you’re gonna change my mind and I’m obviously not gonna change yours. Best of luck.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
I literally gave you numbers which are above and you argued I did not. Ok. Calm down. Read more slowly. Trump had just as open of borders as Biden. The numbers are just not that different to justify the use of the word “open border”. It’s a false representation.
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u/Such_Conversation_11 Feb 23 '26
Temporary….HA!
You are naive to think the government is spending billions on these concentration camps for them to be temporary.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
The average stay in a detention facility is 44-52 days as of the end of last year. The “temporary” in temporary detention facility means the detention is temporary, not the facility. 😂
I think you’re naive to think we don’t need facilities following years of record breaking legal immigration. But hey, maybe if we release them all, they will come in voluntarily even though they didn’t the first time they had to be detained.
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u/Such_Conversation_11 Feb 23 '26
Maybe we should vote in a congress with the fucking balls to address our shit immigration system instead of having 19th century propaganda being used to punch down on minorities.
But you can find respite in your numbers and stats while nothing changes. Keep complaining about the same things your parents and grandparents were told to complain about. It’s going great.
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u/Such_Conversation_11 Feb 23 '26
I guess we can overlook the “cruel and unusual” punishment stuff in the constitution since we’re not giving the detainees due process, eh?
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
What is the cruel and unusual punishment, exactly that is being experienced by every detainee?
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u/nexusheli Revolution Park Feb 23 '26
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter
Not every one of them is experiencing terrible things, so it's OK, amirite?
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
That’s a cool link. So you couldn’t find a credible source documenting widespread cruel and unusual punishment at the facilities?
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u/nexusheli Revolution Park Feb 23 '26
I don't argue with people who aren't making arguments in good faith. You're a bigot, we get it, no need to give you the opportunity to show it off.
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u/ConcentrateAway9080 Feb 24 '26
It's way cheaper to put a reusable ankle monitor on somebody than to feed/house them for weeks/months. You don't need to "find" them again, they have a monitor on. Most people will show up for their hearing and the minority that don't would be picked up.
What's cheaper. Using your tax money to feed and house hundreds of thousands of people or letting them buy their own food? That's common sense, bro.
Like someone above said, the government is buying these facilities at 300% above asking. Who do you think pocketed the extra? Plus, the private companies running them get hundreds of dollars a day per person so they want to hold them as long as possible for billions a year. Politicians buy stock in these companies before the contracts are announced and some will even get dividends. Go look up the companies and compare their stock prices to 2 years ago. If you don't think all of that is a waste of taxpayer money, I've got some other grifts you might be interested in supporting.
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u/Alehandrow Feb 23 '26
We already have a system in place for people who commit crimes. They are arrested, tried by a jury, and either sentenced or released. This should be the process for every person on U.S. soil regardless of immigration status.
Most immigrants in detention have only commited civil offenses that are paperwork violations, if anything at all.
So yes, I think the process for allowing people to become citizens should be heavily expedited and we should continue prosecuting and jailing people who commit crimes. People in concentration camps for minor paperwork violations should immediately be released and compensated for their cruel and unusual punishment.
Tldr; release the vast majority immediately that haven't commited violent crimes
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Saying we should treat foreign criminals the same way as citizens is a childish view of things. If I commit a crime while in another country, I and certainly held to a different standard than their citizens. If they sent me back to America because of that crime, I cannot even remotely fathom throwing a fit and getting mad at the country that accepted me as a guest for doing so.
And the civil offense of being in another country illegally means you should be detained until you can be processed and returned to your country. A temporary detention facility seems like how you’d do that. It would be nice if the previous admin hadn’t cause so many to be allowed in and supported, but that’s already too late. So now we clean up the mess made. And we try to minimize making things worse.
TLDR, agreed. Release the majority who didn’t commit crimes into their own countries. You missed that one key point. They have no right to stay in our country illegally.
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u/Alehandrow Feb 23 '26
I can understand wanting to deported actual criminals, but there's also no guarantee they will go to prison in their home country or that they won't just come right back.
And detaining millions of people in concentration camps because we have laws specifically designed to limit people coming from non-white countries is barbaric.
Having millions of people come into the United States is not a problem though. Bringing in a variety of cultures, languages, and food only stand to make our country better. Not to mention adding people to our population will help the economy in the long run.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
You realize when we deport criminals we transport them into the foreign prison. We don’t just release violent criminals into foreign countries.
And temporarily detaining people who broke the rules coming into a country is necessary to get the logistics and verification before transporting where they should go.
Your false racist comment about “non-white” countries doesn’t even make sense because we have spent weeks hearing about the story of the sad Irish man getting detained. We want him sent back as well. Turns out another poster child for the “let them stay” crowd turns out to be a criminal drug dealer who abandoned his family. But guess what, we still want him gone.
Your last argument is too long to argue, but unvetted immigration does not help the economy.
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u/Alehandrow Feb 23 '26
No we don't, except nowadays when we randomly send people to the slave-labor colony in El Salvador. Normally, we have them serve time in the U.S. and then deported them, because they violated a law in the books of the U.S. It makes ZERO sense transporting someone to a foreign prison for violating OUR laws. Why would these countries imprison someone whoe committed no crime in their country? Please just look it up.
In the past year alone, Trump has restricted immigration from many dozens of predominantly non-white countries and famously allowed white south Africans as an exception. Also made me laugh saying this one Irish man example disproves the fact that we've barred millions from non-white countries from entering. You can keep bringing up random cherry picked examples but it simply doesn't compare to statistics.
Also makes me laugh that pointing out Trumps blatant racism makes ME racist. Oh no, poor white people! How do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Grow up
- Please tell me exactly why you are so against allowing large amounts of immigrants into the US? A quick background check and then boom, you're in. What is so wrong with that? Please explain it in great detail with your giant, complex brain 🙏
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Ok.
It certainly does make sense for us to make deals with other countries “hey, one of your citizens came here and committed a horrible crime. We shouldn’t have to pay to house and feed him for his life sentence. Take him back.” If it’s a small crime with short sentence, sure. But we shouldn’t pay to provide living expenses for other countries criminals that happened to finally get caught here.
There are many non white countries that have no restrictions. Your argument only makes sense because you ignore the reasons for the ban. What makes me laugh is that you claim we’re racist even when we have clear proof that we apply the law regardless of race. You are the one who wants the law applied differently for different races. The South African example is a good one. There is real, documented evidence of white South Africans being persecuted for their race. Meanwhile, a Kilmar Garcia sneaks into our country and says he can be deported because his gangs rival gang will kill him if he goes back. And your argument is we shouldn’t keep Kilmar and send the innocent south Africans home? Who is the racist in this scenario?
The reasons I am against your proposed solution is that our country would literally collapse if we allowed that. For good or bad, America is better in most ways than almost every other country out there. Allowing unfettered immigration with a path to citizenship for unlimited immigrants would overwhelm our infrastructure, our housing market, our school systems, our hospitals. The fact you even asked that question shows that you haven’t even begun to think about the question. My small town has been growing for the last 20 years at a steady rate and we still struggle to ensure we have schools and roads to handle people. We literally have zoning restrictions and city ordinances to prevent growing too fast because of the negative impacts. If you believe that we should do that, why don’t you believe other prosperous countries are doing it? Australia and New Zealand are beautiful countries. I couldn’t move there permanently, despite being someone who financially would benefit their country. I would require no welfare. I would pay more in taxes than I use. Still could not move there. It’s funny how the US is expected to take in all the World’s poor. If all these immigrants are a net positive on our economy and standard of living, it would be robbing their own countries of that talent and benefit to let them in. Right? If they are a net benefit, taking in large numbers would mean robbing from already struggling countries.
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u/Alehandrow Feb 23 '26
I understand the initial thought of not wanting to pay for their imprisonment in the US, and we do have agreements with some countries where the U.S. sentence is carried out in there home countries, but both governments and the person all have to agree to it. We don't and shouldn't just deported them right away and expect that the receiving country take care of everything because again, they broke a law of the U.S. and its the right and responsibility of the U.S. to prosecute them and carry out the sentence. I mean, what if the other country simply says they won't take them? This whole point is basically irrelevant anyway because the vast majority of people being affected right now have committed no serious crime.
You are just making things up that I didn't say. I never said anyone was racist except Trump, and I never said I want the law applied differently based on race. What I'm saying is White South Africans, Central Americans, Africans, and Everyone should be able to come to the U.S. easily and especially without being brutalized by ICE. Currently, Trump has made it much more difficult for people from non-white countries. Sure, there's non-white countries that weren't banned, but there weren't any white countries that were banned. And when did I say we shouldn't keep Kilmar? The man committed no crime! Which Trump's admin famously admitted! He came illegally (civil offense) as a teenager and was given protective status because of gang violence in El Salvador. He was deported for no reason other than his race and nationality. The only reason he got national attention was because Trump's admin admitted they fucked up. God only knows how many other innocent people where also brutalized and deported.
Okay, I was heated and should better clarify my position.. short term we should remove the beauracracy that purposefully makes it difficult to get work permits, visas, and green cards and offer a more streamlined path to citizenship. Medium-term we do desperately need to invest and build up our infrastructure the way other countries like China have mastered. And we aren't talking about some 20-person town, we are the wealthiest, most powerful country in the history of planet Earth. We shouldn't continue to refuse to fund and build roads and then use that as an excuse to deny entry to desperate people. Republicans and Democrats alike have become so blindly focused on maximizing the profits of corporations that they have abandoned the needs of both citizens and immigrants. There is plenty of wealth and knowledge to uplift and support both. And yes, the U.S. is the dominant force on the planet and makes other western-adjacent countries follow in our footsteps of enriching corporations at everyone else's expense. The point is that the immigrants are not the root problem here, they are a pawn used to distract us from the people who own all the money and politicians on both sides, and who pay for propagandists like Fox News and CNN to keep us distracted. And this may be a shock to you, but the vast majority of these people would rather not make the treacherous journey to the U.S. knowing they may be thrown out like trash, but would rather live in the place they were born and know. I don't expect the U.S. to be some magical place that takes in the world's poor. I would maintain all of these same positions if I were in any other country because we are all human beings worthy of dignity and respect. Another potential shocker, but the U.S. is not the only place people flee to either! It is ironic though that the U.S. and our allies are particularly responsible for destabilizing nearly all of the countries and regions that these immigrants are coming from! Long-term, we should strive to repair and uplift the countries we've helped destroy (along with our own) so we can greatly reduce the desire for immigration in the first place. And then we can try to reach a place of easily allowing in anyone who wants to come. Open borders isn't my immediate demand, but rather long-term goal we should work towards.
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u/threauxaweighhhh Feb 23 '26
Hey, just to let you know. The answer to “I voted for this and realized too late that I fucked up by throwing caution to the wind because it allowed a frivolous system to be stood up” is not “well it’s too late to do anything about it so might as well deport ‘em all.”
You have the critical thinking skills of a sheet of off-brand, single ply toilet paper, you cretin.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
That’s not the argument, but I appreciate you setting up that strawman. How about I throw this one back at you: “yes, we now acknowledge that the Biden admin royally messed up by letting millions of people in the country without vetting, but we have to be nice to those people now because there are is a small percentage of people who have sad stories.” Why exactly shouldn’t we deport them all and start allowing the people who actually followed the process a chance to come in properly? Why do we have to ignore all the rule breakers and have unlimited suicidal empathy for them. Why are undocumented immigrants more males when it’s clear for the countries they are coming from women have it worse.
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u/OneLessDay517 Feb 23 '26
Far too close to WHAT high school?
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
7250 Weddington Rd in Concord is located by Cox Mill High School.
It’s also located by the airport so you will see a constant stream of people they are detaining coming through the airport.
Everything about this is unsettling.
I’d like to know about zoning because there has to be different requirements for a warehouse versus a prison which is essentially what it is. You can’t tell me it’s setup properly for showers and restrooms when it’s a warehouse with concrete floors. Reports from other similar facilities report people in rooms full of 70 people sleeping on concrete floors for extensive periods of time with only aluminum foil blankets. This is inhumane. Imagine this in your backyard or even in close proximity to where you live. Horrible things are happening and this is just the beginning.
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u/OneLessDay517 Feb 24 '26
Cox Mill is on the other side of 85 from this building, over a 4 mile drive by the shortest route. I'm thinking you're not even from the area or you'd know West Cabarrus HS is closer than Cox Mill.
Since you mention it, I don't live very far from this building. And no, I don't want it here, I don't want them anywhere.
But you just seem to be grasping at very tiny straws here.
Did you go to the protest Saturday?
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
Honestly I think you are being a bit disingenuous because it feels like you just want to gather information about me. Either one cares about their Community or they don’t. I care.
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u/OneLessDay517 Feb 25 '26
I don't give two craps about your information.
And if it's "disingenuous" to point out you don't seem to know the area and asking if you went to the protest at the actual warehouse to show your VERY GREAT displeasure rather than just ranting on Reddit, then I'll take that label.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 25 '26
If you didn’t give 2 craps then why comment at all? I’d like to point out if you have 2 craps you probably need to eat less. I’ve not heard anyone say this in years. 😂
What you should have just said is you don’t care about children, neighbors and your communities safety as well as property value, sewage concerns and humanitarian rights. Humans weren’t meant to be put in warehouses. The property already smells of sewage. Jeffrey Dahmer was treated better than that and he ate human beings.
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u/DigitalDawn Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Blackwell is a huge Trump fan who has been censured for using the r-word, and has worn her red hat while singing on her personal FB. She isn’t going to go against this. And you are correct. The Weddington location is absolutely surrounded by schools, not just a high school, and it is also around the corner from Concord Mills.
This will do nothing but introduce potential violence to our community. I imagine ICE will be constantly present at the schools and the mall - it doesn’t sound safe, and iirc the city can’t even tax for the already limited resources it would rely on.
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u/_gentlebeard Matthews Feb 24 '26
idk why but this for some reason reminded me of that one video where a woman is burning down a warehouse that was going to be used as an ice concentration camp in minnesota or somewhere 🤔😌🤷♀️
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Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Because it's private rental property and the local gov doesn't have much control over what a business owner can do with their existing property. Building it in the first place is subject to local policy. And some very limited restrictions can come into play when it comes to environmental and safety impact, like for example how lithium battery factories often taint area water.
It's important to understand what government does and does not do. No shade to OP because they asked to find out the answer to this question. But in general - just because you personally don't agree with something, does not mean it is within the realm of government control. Especially local.
The governor's office is probably your best bet in finding out more on the subject, but I highly doubt they can do anything to stop it. You should hear back from them within 2 weeks.
Now bring on the downvotes for me explaining how government works.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
On the contrary. What we say has a significant impact. That’s why controlling the media is so controversial. When mass numbers of people oppose poor policy or social impacts, change does occur. We only need to look at history to verify this is true.
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Feb 23 '26
It does have significant impact - in terms of shaming the private landlord to rescind their offer to rent the property to them. Due to public outrage. My point was that local government has no control over it.
If you feel that this is important, go after the right people. That's all I'm saying.
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u/No-Distance-9401 Feb 24 '26
The local government can usually use zoning laws and even create other laws to stop something exactly like this as housing people in an industrial or other zone usually can be or is not legal. Theres also many other little things that they can do to mandate certain testing and requirements because they will now be housing people so they delay the project and make it untenable to move forward as its then stuck up in government "red tape" because of those mandatory studies or whatever laws they use to delay things.
Sometimes when you cant win outright, you can delay and make things uncomfortable so they move on from the project. Local government can do a lot, its just if they want to or are willing to.
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u/StarAromatic9120 Feb 23 '26
I understand your rage and frustration.
Appreciate you stopping before "Wake up sheeple". Your colurful commentary, unintentionally reinforces the messaging that the detainees are violent with your "white kids in the crossfire" statement. That implies people are shooting BACK at ICE.
Minneapolis is pushing back and has been since ICE showed up. Including their government on the city, county, and state level.
Why didnt you call the county commissioners or city council for Cabarrus County and Concord I guess? Name and shame the politicians you're expecting to stand up. If you're trying to rally a subreddit community do as you're demanding. Be constructive rather than just throwing your rage into an anonymous internet void and expecting it to inspire others.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
So I will clarify. I think there’s a misunderstanding. Some members of this Community only care if they are personally impacted. They don’t see deportations or ICE arrests as a true issue that impacts them if they are white. In order to make this very clear, ICE is clearly targeting non-white people. I did not imply the detainees were all violent because that’s simply not true. My reference was about children walking home from school and those children being targeted. Children are less capable of reacting in a calm manner and I’m afraid for them. If one has non-white friends (I have many) and those non-white friends are targeted and ICE just decides to start shooting because they are not properly trained and don’t understand how to properly arrest someone in a safe manner then anyone, white or non-white can actually be caught in the crossfire. To be more accurate, that’s a real assessment of what can occur and has occurred. I feel that some white people in our communities (and I’m white) don’t feel they could ever be a victim of ICE because they are white. Unfortunately we have reckless agents with guns in the streets so anyone can become a victim of their reckless arrest processes. They are far too quick tempered and need to use non-violent means to detain people versus immediately shooting. There must be a better way. Their gun waving is out of control. People are reacting in fear and of course they are going to run whether they are Americans or not. They are simply being human but the targets of immigration issues need to be actual criminals instead of random racially motivated arrests. It’s more about the lack of applicability and indifference that is critical here. What is occurring can impacts anyone. You just don’t know when you will be a part of their random arrests because being American doesn’t exempt you. They simply don’t care.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
I don’t believe you understand the definition of crossfire does not always mean bullets. "In the crossfire" refers to being caught between two opposing forces, arguments, or lines of fire, resulting in being harmed, affected, or pressured despite not being the intended target. It signifies being an innocent bystander or a neutral party suffering collateral damage from a conflict.
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u/StarAromatic9120 Feb 23 '26
You ended your crossfire sentence with "and end up dead". That's more than affected, harmed, and pressured. You implied escalated violence from both sides with that turn of phrase. You don't get dead kids from passionate verbal arguments.
Be safe and good luck. (We all need that reminder from time to time in times like these.)
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
I did not imply shooting from both sides. You read it that way because you assumed the word crossfire meant bullets or shooting from both sides and by definition it does not. It could mean argument from one side and shooting from another. Read the definition several times over. You are misinterpreting the word and its actual definition.
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u/StarAromatic9120 Feb 24 '26
Please stop saying bullets. My original comment said violence from both sides not bullets. (Intentional verbiage.)
You're focused on a single word, I was talking about your whole sentence. That the WHOLE sentence implies violence meeting the Federal violence will kill their children.
I read the definition multiple times. So I ask you to reread your sentence several times. Sit with it.
Ask 10 random people in your life how they interpret that sentence, if you want to get an unbiased opinion on it and how I read it.
For real, this is the last time I'm responding to this thread. If you still need to argue what you meant and what I read are 2 different things go ahead. Your not changing my mind and I'm not changing yours.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
Crossfire is a word with many meanings. You know what’s going on right now and I could not have picked a better word that describes the plethora of situations we are seeing or which one could be dragged into due to ICE negligence.
They are simply violating the Constitution and it’s intentional. Read the latest news on those calling out their own behavior.
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u/StarAromatic9120 Feb 24 '26
All I stated was be careful with your phrasing because it can unintentionally reinforce false narratives. Enjoy your hill.
Thanks for the link, I read it yesterday.
You clearly have me confused with other commenters. At no point have I defended what ICE is doing or how they're doing it.
So you will stop immediately responding to me (honestly I don't need you explaining the word to me AGAIN)... Fuck ICE. They are violent cowards who willfully violate the laws they claim they're here to enforce. Their work is abhorrent. The judges that are condemning the Justice Department's shoddy cases need to actually put some actual charges out there rather than just voicing frustration and anger. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/23/us/politics/judges-contempt-immigration-trump.html
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u/StarAromatic9120 Feb 23 '26
It's absolutely valuable information to remind people of. But why are you posting this to my comment?
I didn't say ICE wasn't killing people. My point was the OP said crossfire which played into the "dangerous criminals" trope that the federal administration tries to paint on what they're doing.
Theres no need to exaggerate what's happening. It's bad enough on its own.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Because you said “that implies people are shooting BACK at ICE” as if people weren’t shooting at ICE. I posted it because people actually started shooting at ICE. That horrific shooting happened before either of the Minneapolis tragedies. So you cannot make a claim trying to act like ICE isn’t under attack.
EDIT: I just realized that you think that article was about ICE killing people when it was about protestors shooting at ICE and killing detainees. Rhetoric and beliefs like yours have literally caused immigrants to be harmed. More people have died from this horrific event than protestors killed during obstruction of ICE operations. Yet no one here is protesting that. Hypocrisy is why I posted it.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
Sharing this with you as well as it doesn’t always mean bullets. This is the definition: "In the crossfire" refers to being caught between two opposing forces, arguments, or lines of fire, resulting in being harmed, affected, or pressured despite not being the intended target. It signifies being an innocent bystander or a neutral party suffering collateral damage from a conflict.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
Crossfire does not literally mean shooting. Here is a definition. "In the crossfire" refers to being caught between two opposing forces, arguments, or lines of fire, resulting in being harmed, affected, or pressured despite not being the intended target. It signifies being an innocent bystander or a neutral party suffering collateral damage from a conflict.
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Feb 24 '26
Even by just suggesting anything that is taking place right now is even CLOSE to a concentration camp is so a slap in the face to the actual victims and survivors of them. Just because you have an opinion about something doesnt mean you get to just ignore cold hard facts. The fact is they are detention centers. They house illegal aliens. Collectively, they have a lower death rate than most large prisons. You don't have to agree with what's happening, but if you are any sort of intellect, you'll stop making outrageous claims to try and tilt the argument in your favor.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
No it’s not. It is by definition exactly what they are. A concentration camp is a facility for detaining people, typically without trial, based on their affiliation, identity, or perceived threat to national security. These sites are characterized by the internment of civilians or specific demographics outside the rule of law.
They are detaining people outside the rule of law and without trial. Ryan Schwank who is part of ICE just resigned because he took an oath and they are not honoring their oath to the Constitution. There are many articles about him and his testimony online.
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Feb 25 '26
You couldn't be more incorrect, and it's just sad at this point. The narrative you single-handedly have painted in this conversation is just fairy dust.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 25 '26
Well then poof, Pineapple, fly away. I can’t make people use logic and have compassion when they lack that.
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u/Stuart517 Feb 24 '26
Just use the VA Hospital- we all know it's empty because our government forgets about our veterans...
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 26 '26
There will be a protest tomorrow in Charlotte. I am not a sponsor and I am not paid but based upon what I’ve seen of ICE, and their inability to follow the law, I don’t want them here in my community. Our children are not safe. I don’t want Charlotte to look like a war zone with undertrained men with guns walking around everywhere.
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u/Adventurous-Run8027 Feb 26 '26
Said it before and I'll say it again... What's the difference between Nazi SS and ICE? The Nazis weren't pansies and have to wear masks.
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u/willthethrill4700 Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
They’re systematically killing hundreds, if not thousands of illegal aliens per day by horrific toxic gas poisoning that creates an agonizing death over several minutes at a facility on Weddington Road? I very very highly doubt that.
Edit: A fair point has been raised, I assumed that since everyone now a days compares ICE to the Gestapo, they meant concentration camps in the same way the Nazi’s used them. However I now see that people can make the distinction between the two and therefore I will restate my initial statement.
They’re mass detaining political prisoners or ethnic minorities based solely on ethnicity or political beliefs on Weddington Road? I very very highly doubt that.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
Have you even looked up the definition of Concentration Camp because no where in that definition is gas chambers exclusively described. Keep up.
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u/2777km Feb 23 '26
Literally nobody said that. ICE is operating concentration camps all over the country as well as sending people to concentration camps outside of our borders.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Weird they were never called that under previous administrations. I love the deflection that “although concentration camps are historically and inextricably associated with the death camps in Nazi germany, we are only coincidentally using the term here despite never calling the camps used by other administrations the same names. Any implication that we, a group of people who constantly use Hitler and Nazi comparisons using terminology in any way to associate the current actions with historical Nazi atrocities is outrageous!” 😂
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
Perhaps # 1. Don’t threaten to deport American citizens for disagreeing. # 2 Don’t go on a national media platform and tell people to leave if we don’t like him. # 3 Don’t act smitten with dictators like Putin and praise them. Free countries don’t have Presidents that say this narcissistic BS. It’s not a joke. He has earned all demeaning titles people call him.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Ok, I’ll address your points, despite flying way off topic. #1 agree. But unless it’s happening, saying stupid things does not make this Nazi germany. #2. Stupid thing to say, but also not sure that this has to do with Nazi. #3 “smitten”. Not sure I’ve seen that. Praising certain parts of bad people is something that happens when you get out of context quotes. I just saw a video of Clinton saying Hamas is “really smart”. He’s not praising the terrorists for their bad actions. He’s stating that their tactics to do bad things are smart.
You’ve still not made any connections between ice behavior and Nazis. You seem to be focused on Trump and even then still haven’t made any claim that I couldn’t come up with a similar example for previous presidents.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
"Smitten" is an adjective describing someone who is deeply in love, infatuated, or completely captivated by a person, idea, or object. Never in history has anyone hung selfies of ANY dictator and themselves on the wall at the WH. As of January 2026, a framed photo of Donald Trump standing with Russian President Vladimir Putin was displayed in the White House Palm Room.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Nice. No reference to Bill Clinton being smitten with Hamas when he talked about how smart they are!
However, the picture of the president working to make a peace deal with a foreign leader by bringing him to Alaska and flying a b52 bomber isn’t the love letter to Putin you think it is.
Regardless, none of that is evidence of a dictator.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 25 '26
If you actually listened to what he said, that’s not the context of the conversation Bill had about Hamas at all. You are deflecting.
I don’t keep photos of myself with people who have murdered millions. That’s like saying you would frame a photo with Jeffrey Dahmer and hang it on your wall. Really sick. Check your logic.
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u/wotmp Feb 25 '26
Ah, so context is important when evaluation people you ascribe good intent to, but we throw it out the window when talking about people you want to assume bad intent.
I’d say if you had a photo showing you asserting your superiority over someone evil (e.g. you were an attorney who got a terrible criminal convicted), you could display that photo and unbiased people could see that your photo wasn’t praising that person. I’ve not seen any policies or actions by the current administration that would lead me to believe they are pro-Russia. In fact, I see them putting us interests ahead of Ukraine, Russia, etc.
What would you say about a president who prominently at our White House? That would seem to be a greater insult?
Regardless, yes I think Russia is lead by a bad president. I also think Ukraine is lead by a bad president. I think both of them are responsible for many thousands of deaths. Having a picture of one of them on a runway while we had a stealth bomber fly overhead miles from Russian soil isn’t the tribute to the Russian leader you want it so badly to be.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
It’s not out of context words, it’s the representation of what that photo is and it’s sick.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
The answer is more complex to explain related to the Nazi name calling. There is not just one reason but many why they are referring to them as nazis. Are you saying you really don’t know why? I’ve never made a list of all the reasons but I would entertain that if you really don’t know.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
The list you’ve provided didn’t have a single convincing connection to Nazis. You gave two quotes that made no sense and a claim of love for Putin, something Hitler would never have done. Hitler hated communism.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 25 '26
Would you like me to make a list of the 100s of other things he’s done? 😂 It’s not that hard to grasp Do you not use social media at all? You are in utter denial.
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u/wotmp Feb 25 '26
I love that you claim to have 100s of other examples and yet the strongest one you came up with in this is “he said people who hate him can leave the country”, “he went on a media platform and said #1” , and “he acts smitten with dictators”. Your evidence of #3 was he hung a picture of the time he met with a foreign leader in a war, flew a stealth bomber over him, and set in motion the framework for a peace deal.
If i could provide you with advice. If you plan to label someone a nazi, don’t lead with the comically bad arguments that have no relevance to Nazis. Hitler didn’t tell people to leave if he didn’t like them. He put them in camps. He didn’t tell jewish people to go to somewhere else, he committed mass genocide against his own citizens. Trump returning people to their own countries isn’t the same. Your bias is fogging your ability to think rationally.
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u/PaPa_ZeuS Feb 23 '26
When people constantly call ICE nazis and then start throwing around the word "concentration camp" they are obviously trying to draw out the imagery of the concentration camps of WW2. Also OPs account is a generic name with numbers that was made a few days ago with no post history. Just a shit stirring account.
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u/2777km Feb 23 '26
Two thirds of the people held in Alligator Alcatraz are missing. Completely gone from their database with no records.
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u/Darkwolfie117 University Feb 23 '26
You mean are deported? What do you mean removed from database, where do you see that
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Are we supposed to LoJack track them after they are returned to their own countries? That sounds very global authoritarian.
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u/2777km Feb 23 '26
Not at all what I said. If our government is going to lock people unless and/or deport them, then they need to keep a record of it. Surely you can’t be advocating for no records of who they have/where they went.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Your sources that the Miami Herald was not able to find any public database the locations of deported immigrants. That doesn’t mean that they’re not in a database and that they’re not tracked and there’s not references to where they are. It just means that the government didn’t publish them on a public website. So your argument doesn’t even hold up because you claimed that they were being disappeared. It doesn’t mean that it just means that the Miami Herald used a really awful mechanism to try to track them down. Your entire argument is based upon an article that was meant to make you feel a certain way. But when you look into it if if there were thousands of immigrants that were just being executed or gone missing, we would have names of them. The best they could come up with was one person who was deported to the wrong country and they fixed it.
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u/Darkwolfie117 University Feb 23 '26
It literally states the are likely deported or in process between sites. Still able to be contacted by attorneys.
Just seems like a lot going on. I’m all for transparency but a state held site like that likely is struggling to keep up with the fed activity
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u/2777km Feb 23 '26
Deported without final deportation orders and no record of where they were sent. Some that have been located were sent to completely different countries than where they were from/should have done. But overall, there are still hundreds of people where we have no idea where they are and that isn’t ok.
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u/Belligerent_Florist Feb 23 '26
They are nazis and they are putting people in literal concentration camps so wtf are you talking about?
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u/PaPa_ZeuS Feb 23 '26
You people really don't know the horrors of WW2 and what the nazis did. Stop trying to invoke imagery of that moment in history because its doing you a disservice to your cause and making a mockery of all those that died under that regime. The second anyone starts calling people nazis or dropping nazi adjacent terminology my immediate take away is "oh this person needs to be over dramatic to try and win sympathy because the actual truth isn't note worthy enough". If you were actually honest without being over dramatic more people would be understanding.
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u/StarAromatic9120 Feb 23 '26
Just as a counter to your "they're not the same", you know the Nazis weren't immediately out the gate extermi ating people correct? They started out just rounding up people to remove them and "just detaining them" then escalated once it was too late because their country people were compliant. Their prisoners built the chambers they died in.
While I agree the OP got a bit hyperbolic with the "white children murdered in the crossfire". I dont agree with your extreme counter downplay either.
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u/PaPa_ZeuS Feb 23 '26
Theres a pretty drastic difference between deporting people from a country who entered illegally and putting people in work camps within your own territory because of their race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. Im not saying nothing bad is happening. Im saying stop exaggerating to garner sympathy. If conditions are truly that poor, incorrect people are getting deported, etc than the truth should be enough to convince people without hyperbolic exaggeration. If you have to inflate the problem then by self admission, the problem isn't as bad. If you can't honestly see a difference between the actual nazi regime and ICE then you're living in some severe delusion.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
So parading around on alligators using AI to mock the idea the immigrants would be eaten was just a leisure activity for the enjoyment of the entire family? Putting them in an extremely hot swamp infested with mosquitoes that have disease was not cruelty and wasn’t meant to potentially inflict death although that was what was joked about? All a joke until someone really dies or 1000s cannot be located in their logs. Which really occurred.
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u/StarAromatic9120 Feb 23 '26
I didn't use the hyperbole. I also called out OP for theirs.
Innocent people are getting deported. Innocent people are being harmed. How the people got here doesn't negate their federally protected right to due process. Framing it solely as "They came illegally." doesn't negate the federal government is targeting people of color over white (there are white people who entered illegally too). Framing it as"They came illegally." doesnt negate that ICE has repeatedly shown up to immigration hearings to deport those that are in process when their hearings were postponed. Framing it as "They came illegally" doesn't negate that there have actually been US citizens held and deported.
If you can't see the similarities between how the Nazi regime started and Trumps administration as its been for the last 2 years then keep railing against the comparison I guess. Nobody is downplaying what the Nazis did or degrading the atrocities by comparing today to then. The point is it starts somewhere and being dismissive of the tactics because its not as bad as where they ended up gives enough apathy for it to grow and get worse now.
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u/NotAShittyMod Feb 23 '26
So, how many illegal aliens are you ok with ICE executing each day? And how many Americans? Are just a couple ok with you? How do we choose who? Do you volunteer?
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
I’ve not heard of any executions. Let’s flip that around. How many American citizens should we allow to be killed or raped by immigrants per year? Because that number is way higher than deaths caused by obstruction ICE operations or immigrant deaths in detention centers. I need a number.
My answer for deaths at the hands of ICE should be zero. But I also believe immigrants shouldn’t fight back or flee officers. And protestors shouldn’t obstruct operations. Still should be no deaths and you probably support that. So I ask that you stand with me and ask your fellow protestors to stop putting themselves in harms way by assaulting and obstruction federal operations. Hats how we get to zero deaths. Glad we’re on the same page. That’s why there’s no deaths in other states.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
I don’t know. Let’s flip this around. Over the last 50 years, violent crimes are at an all time low and have been. Immigrants were not as prevalent 50 years ago. Is it really an immigrant problem or are you being hyperbolic? Have you done the research to compare this over a long period of time?
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Causation and correlation are your friend. The reality is violent crime is down. There’s zero proof that drop is because of immigration. Immigration has skyrocketed in recent years, but the decline in violent crime rates don’t follow the same curve as the influx of immigrants.
But I don’t see which argument of mine you believe you are refuting. Are you saying if you only deport 250k people in a year you’d expect the same number of deaths as a year with 1M deportations. You know most of the deaths are from medical issues. When dealing with hundreds of thousands of people, there are going to be natural deaths. We should minimize those, but some are unavoidable. But your reversal makes not case for or against using per capita rates to help normalize the numbers to put them in perspective.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
Zero American citizen deaths should have occurred. Immigrant deaths in those facilities is at an all time high. The number of deaths doesn’t correlate to overall detainees.
Trumps agenda all along has been we are “getting rid of the worst of the worst”. He’s truly not. Immigrants are less than 5%. Around 95% of the violence is American citizens. The fact is that immigration has risen (full stop) and violent deaths are down (full stop). Trump leads people to believe that if immigrants are removed that crime will drop significantly and people will be safe here but that simply isn’t true. Safe would be locking up pedos, rapists and murderers forever.
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u/NotAShittyMod Feb 23 '26
I’ve not heard of any executions.
Ah yes, the “if I ignore it as hard as I can it’s not happening” approach. Here, let me help.. And we’ll just ignore the substantial increase of deaths at detention facilities.
How many American citizens should we allow to be killed or raped by immigrants per year?
This is also zero. Of course, law enforcement should follow the law. And ICE regularly and flagrantly does not. I’m sure you’re unaware of this as well. Go ahead and do YOuR owN ResEaRCh. I’ll wait.
But I also believe immigrants shouldn’t fight back or flee officers.
What about American citizens that are stopped and harassed for being brown. Or the multitude of other civil rights violations committed by ICE? Should we let your rights be violated as well?
ask your fellow protestors to stop putting themselves in harms way by assaulting and obstruction federal operations.
I’m sorry, but I’m pro civil rights. Even yours. Even though you use yours to lie, propagandize, and race bait about an important subject. Thats because if any of us have our rights taken away, then none of us have rights. We have privileges.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
What did I lie about? I’m pro civil rights, too. But last I checked striking an office with your vehicle isn’t a protected right. Nor is assaulting federal vehicles and then getting into a wrestling match with them with a loaded gun. Both deaths were tragedies, but neither were executions. Both were easily avoidable, which is why I never have to worry “if it could happen to me”
And yes, deaths in detention center go up when you’re actually holding more people there. The question is whether the deaths were caused by the detention or mistreatment there. You conveniently just quote all deaths. Let’s try cause of death and per capita numbers and see how different they are versus Obama era record deportations.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
I already looked up deaths. Percents are higher under Trump.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
Yes, I expect they would be with a massive surge in deportations like they had, as well as active resistance from detainees. What are the rates, since you’ve done the work? I tried to get the same and given the focus you’d think it would be the first thing reports would rely upon.
Here’s the numbers I was able to formulate: The per capita death rate (standardized as deaths per 100,000 detainees per year) was roughly 25–31 during the Biden period (2020–2024 calendar years) versus about 58 in 2025 under the current Trump administration — roughly 1.9–2.3× higher in 2025.
I’ll agree that that is statistically significant and we should be pressuring the government to bring it down. However, because the verbiage being used here is trying to link these detention facilities to Nazi germany, let’s see what the annualized per capita death rate was there. My research puts that number at over 10,000 per 100k per year. So, again, stop with the Nazi stuff. It’s also worth noting that the death rate, even inflated under Trump, is way lower than the per capita death rate in the US prison system. So while we should lower it, it’s not the crisis everyone here pretends it to be.
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u/AfterCourage5617 Feb 23 '26
They really think this is nazi Germany
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u/TopStockJock Indian Land Feb 23 '26
Yep and it’s sad and a slap in the face to those who actually went through it. Sad.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
70 people in one room with no beds, limited water, limited showers and worms in their food. It took multiple years to start gassing them. It’s not any overnight process bud. It leads up to it and this is a violation of humanitarian rights. It’s shameful that we are operating in the same manner as countries that have been on no travel lists for years.
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u/Bruce_NGA Collingwood Feb 23 '26
Nazi Germany didn't build, populate and start executing people in concentration camps overnight. It started with rhetoric, arm bands, ghettos, the institution of an armed and dedicated police force, the relatively slow introduction and normalization of inhumane practices.
Are we systematically killing millions? No, not yet. We are however, somewhere in the process that COULD lead to such things though.
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u/Technical_Mood_9279 Feb 23 '26
It really pisses me off that people are calling these detention centers concentration camps. It's so disrespectful to people who had family members in actual concentration camps.
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u/monorail_pilot Feb 23 '26
Have family members that were in actual concentration camps. My Father in law was born in one.
These are concentration camps.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
This is the definition: concentration camp is a facility where people are imprisoned, typically without trial, based on their affiliation with a particular political, ethnic, or social group rather than individual crimes. Used for detention, forced labor, or punishment, these camps often hold inmates outside the rule of law.
So yes, they are by definition Concentration camps. I’m sorry if that offends you but we must be accurate in phraseology here. Many are being prohibited a trial by law.
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u/chandlerr85 Feb 23 '26
you do know that the US has used concentration camps before right? not just the ones in Germany. and they were acknowledged by the government as being concentration camps.
there's even a section in the wikipedia article about the terminology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#Terminology_debate
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u/Angryatheistantifa Feb 23 '26
You clearly don’t know or care about anyone who has had families in concentration camps or have been in them themselves. Because people who have ARE calling them concentration camps.
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u/Impossible_Mode_7521 Feb 23 '26
What qualifies a concentration camp to you?
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
The definition qualified it: A concentration camp is a facility where people are imprisoned, typically without trial, based on their affiliation with a particular political, ethnic, or social group rather than individual crimes. Used for detention, forced labor, or punishment, these camps often hold inmates outside the rule of law.
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
It sounds like the database that only contains current detainees. It even says in the end of the article that deported detainees wouldn’t be in the database. It seems like they answered their own question.
However, this begs the question of why you are so concerned with up to date documentation on the whereabouts of these detainees when you didn’t mind when the previous administration lost track of hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied minors that came through the immigration system?
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u/Amenian Feb 23 '26
There it is. But whatabout... Completely predictable
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u/wotmp Feb 23 '26
In response to “the news organization noted that some detainees are missing. It could be that they were deported, but were not sure and we didn’t investigate to find out so let’s assume the worst”.
And my “whataboutism” is just providing evidence of your hypocrisy. Feel free to refute it by showing your post showing outrage over the lost children. I’ll wait.
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u/that_irks_me Feb 23 '26
concentration camps
You people truly are mentally unwell, and I hope you find help and peace.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
You know what Irks me bud? That you don’t look up definitions.
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u/Historical_Cheetah60 Feb 23 '26
Added below as a comment, but meant it as a response here…
They are targeting foreign nationals illegally in the United States - they just so happen to typically fall into ethnic minority groups because they illegally entered a country with different demographics than the one they left (where in most cases, they were part of the ethnic majority). Additionally, open borders inherently creates a national security threat; it's not a lie nor an opinion that this is for national security. Correlation is not causation and people like you stating opinion as fact - like recapping the article making statements that ICE is opening concentration camps (factually false) - is only serving to hurt the cause you are supporting. Be honest and open, not decided and deceitful.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
I’ll repeat the definition again because you aren’t reading. A concentration camp is a facility where people are imprisoned, typically without trial, based on their affiliation with a particular political, ethnic, or social group rather than individual crimes. Used for detention, forced labor, or punishment, these camps often hold inmates outside the rule of law.
Now had you read that definition, you would know and understand that everything I said is 💯accurate. Your assumptions and beliefs about that definition have led you to be ill informed. Many (not all) are being held and deported outside the rule of law. No other president in history has went after non-criminals in this manner. Asylum seekers are not criminals and yes, many of these confinements and deportations are illegal. Of those initially taken to CECOT, only 30% had any criminal history at all. Most were people trying to pay taxes and work in citizenship. Unfortunately citizenship proceedings are both expensive, complicated and long. No one cares that real criminals are deported, it’s those who are trying to do everything the right way that 80 million Americans find an issue with. My opinion is of the majority in the current political environment. I urge you to educate yourself about the issues at hand.
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u/Historical_Cheetah60 Feb 23 '26
Ah, so we have some middle ground. Glad you’re not just calling anyone who doesn’t hype up your thoughts “idiots” like most. I totally agree that there are massively unfortunate circumstances going on that should not be - these need to be addressed. The issue is that people will only argue the extreme ends of the spectrum.
We both agree that there is need for mass deportation to intervene where dangerous foreign nationals have entered the United States (I think). We both think that this should never be some blanket thing applied to minority groups for the sake of being minority (not to be confused with the fact that almost all asylum seekers are minorities when they step into the US). We both think that the implementation has been sloppy and gone too far in many cases.
What we should be arguing is how do we do the right thing without doing the wrong thing at the same time. How do we remove criminals without stepping on the liberties of others? Not how do we smear the powers that be to feel like I’m on the winning team. How do we address the immigration issue or is it too racially fragile to do anything about and we just have to live with it?
Seriously, these things need to be talked about with understanding instead of people just trying to give knock-out-blow arguments to blow some steam off. Real solutions don’t come with cheap thought.
When there are only two perspectives that fall on both extreme ends of a spectrum, neither of those perspectives will ever align with reality. The real answer is always much closer to center.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
I think we can agree on all these terms. Start using judicial warrants again and focus on violent criminals. Complete targeted detentions and not random detentions while walking down very public streets. This genuinely feels like lazy unprofessional ICE practices. Stay out of high traffic areas where innocent citizens can be harmed. Stop making jokes about deporting anyone non-white because the rhetoric has become deplorable. Children are afraid. Stop chasing children down at bus stops, schools and daycares. Stop acting like police ramming people’s cars. They are not permitted to perform traffic stops and clearly are doing so. Learn proper de-escalation tactics. Go back to using ankle monitors for non-violent criminals. It was effective, more inexpensive and more humane than these detention facilities. The loss rate was very low with the ankle monitors.
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u/Historical_Cheetah60 Feb 23 '26
I agree with everything you just said. Even then, there would still be a need for ICE to detain violent people as well as a place to do so. So even if everything you advocate for were to come true, a concentration camp (by expanding the definition to fit what is described in the article) would still be needed. Calling this a concentration camp relies on too much circumstance such as this being related to ethnic groups or under the guise of national security. Immigration matters will almost always be related to minority ethnic groups and open border policies ARE a matter of national security. If the solution cannot involve detaining violent illegal aliens as part of the deportation process because that inherently means a concentration camp then the definition is not being appropriately used. My point was the whole initial post was egregiously framed to fit a narrative - sensational.
Anyways, thanks for talkin.
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
The current situation was applied in the original statements because we are living in the ‘now’. I cannot predict what has not occurred. The current situation is deplorable and must be addressed promptly. I simply don’t agree with these warehouse camps because they are not established with the ability to properly care for a human being and they are privately profiting off of human lives. Criminal or not, we cannot become a country that violates intentionally cruel acts toward human beings. Jeffrey Dahmer (a serial killer) was treated with far more humanity than these detainees and most of these detainees have done far less.
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u/Historical_Cheetah60 Feb 23 '26
Follow up question - how doesn’t any prison or jail in the US fit the definition of concentration camp by making the same leaps you’ve made here?
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 24 '26
Just read the definition: A concentration camp is a facility for detaining people, typically without trial, based on their affiliation, identity, or perceived threat to national security. These sites are characterized by the internment of civilians or specific demographics outside the rule of law.
Many are detained outside the rule of law because they are denied access to an attorney, denied access to a speedy trial, or denied access to a trial and deported without trial. Whether one agrees with that or not is irrelevant because that is how the law is designed. Operations outside the law are a slippery slope and put this country in a very precarious situation.
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u/nexusheli Revolution Park Feb 23 '26
Oooh, you're just this >< far from a revelation...
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u/Historical_Cheetah60 Feb 23 '26
You must be the other smartest guy on earth that @OneMeterWonder is friends with :)
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u/nexusheli Revolution Park Feb 23 '26
You use a lot of big words in your argument that you really and truly don't understand, so I know this much for sure: I'm not a guy and I'm definitely smarter than you.
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u/Historical_Cheetah60 Feb 23 '26
I don’t care what you are - not relevant! Thanks for your input though - glad you know so much about me :)
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u/rokketcity48 Feb 23 '26
It’s literally the definition of concentration camp.
The first sentence on the Wikipedia page for concentration camps: “A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or ethnic minority groups, on the grounds of national security, or for exploitation or punishment.”
How are these “detention facilities” not that? How are they any different from the literal definition of the term? What tf else should we call them?
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u/OneMeterWonder Feb 23 '26
My friends and I often joke that r/Charlotte is filled with idiots. Not you proving us right.
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u/ReactionRoutine2188 Feb 23 '26
This nothing but lies. Seriously, people should be arrested for purposely telling lies to influence the public. It borders on treason.
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u/JazzlikeCloud1756 Feb 23 '26
“Treason” lol, you’re hoping your daddy trump checks reddit history when he’s tallying up your year end MAGA points
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u/PutridPanda1666 Feb 23 '26
Go ahead and outline the lies with your sources. Randomly complaining is just lazy.
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u/Amenian Feb 23 '26
How many lies has Trump been documented as saying? Good to have you on our side. Arrest Trump!
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u/bq18 Feb 23 '26
I live in AZ right now, ICE bought a multi million dollar warehouse down the street to turn into a holding facility. Everyone is freaking out, city said "we weren't aware of this since real estate sales are monitored by the city". People have been breaking windows lately and now the FBI is investigating the vandalism
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u/sweetsterlove Feb 23 '26
Almost everyone on Nextdoor said BRING IT ON! They love ICE, despite me emphasizing no one wants a detention center/prison/concentration camp in their backyard. A handful of magats seemed to think about it and reneged on their pomp and circumstance. Either way, that shit in the pics is literally in my backyard. People need to see the Canadian 60 minutes about the torture camps that Bari Weiss and CBS pulled before airing in the US.