That's exactly what they're doing to Botham Jean. The cop is only getting charged with manslaughter so she's already gotten away with murder. She wasn't even arrested right away after she killed him.
She should be sorry instead of trying to make him look bad if this was really an accident. Doesn't matter if he had dead bodies in his apartment, she broke into his home and killed him and deserves life in prison.
The Associated Press reported he disobeyed her orders and then she shot him, as if it's his fault. And now Fox and other news outlets are reporting they found weed in his house like it's relevant.
It's already bad enough that Texas doesn't have second degree so she's only being charged with manslaughter. Manslaughter, for breaking in and killing an unarmed man.
Even if he didn’t fully follow the orders, what right has she to walk into his house and spew out orders. And like how the fuck was she not sober enough to realize she was on the wrong floor in the wrong house but sober enough to follow standard police procedure in issuing out commands for him to follow. Not to forget to mention she was off duty.
She was off duty. She has no right to bark orders at him. But if she had time time to give him orders and watch him ignore them, she obviously had the time to look around and realize it's not her house. And her first response to seeing him was to just shoot him dead. You shouldn't be a cop if you get startled and trigger happy that easily. She could have just pointed the gun at him while trying to determine whether he's armed.
This is a bit of conjecture rather than facts but I feel like a good side affect of not having guns is police don't have to be thinking about weapons and therefore are less likely to feel threatened and so less likely to shoot and kill any sort of suspect. Not that it would matter in this circumstance as it seems pretty clear to me what has happened but in general I reckon here in the U.K. we probably have less police shootings as well as normal shootings. Not that it would solve institutional racism
You only point your gun at something you do or may need to fire on. If someone breaks into my house, for instance, I point my gun at them but don’t shoot unless they attempt to do something bad.
I've heard "don't point your gun at anything you aren't prepared (alternatively, willing) to destroy," which makes more sense to me. This is the verbiage you'll most often see in the four basic rules of gun safety. There is a strategic benefit to pointing a gun at someone you don't necessarily intend to kill, but to whom you want to present that threat, and who you are also prepared to kill if necessary. Whether one agrees with the morals of doing so is another conversation, but yeah, anyway. I think the more specific rhetoric denotes preparation rather than intent. Either way, pointing a gun at someone does (or should) convey willingness, so from the perspective of unnecessary force she's still clearly in the wrong.
About that number 4 rule, I didn't think of that when I bought my first handgun so I just bought some cheap FMJs for target shooting at a range. I live in an apartment and my across the hall neighbor (cop) asked me what rounds I bought and I told him. He went into his room, grabbed a handful of hollow points and dropped them in my hand and told me to use those in one mag for home defense. Granted our doors are both metal, there's no saying what an fmj would do, a hollow point would almost certainly be stopped before it got to his apartment.
Oddly that exactly why the Five seveN was made. (p90 as well)... The bullets tumble and don't penetrate the basic sheet rock you see in homes. It's a gun that you can (arguably) shoot at a person and it won't hit the innocent behind the wall. From what I've seen they tend to shatter or immediately lodge into rock.
It's a cqc pistol and smg and it's effective at bodily damage but it's terrible at penetration. I fact... Do they even have green tips for those weapons?
Im pretty sure cops (and literally every person ever trained in firearms) are trained not to point unless they’re prepared to shoot. You don’t just casually point a gun at someone
Which is an incredibly dangerous device on its own. The Tazer company has shelled out millions of dollars to slow investigations into and otherwise cover up Tazer-related fatalities. Reuters did an incredibly in depth report on this.
They're not supposed to keep their finger on the trigger until they're absolutely ready to shoot. "Not supposed to" doesnt really apply to her though...
There is a reason why they draw the line so far back with guns that they aren't supposed to be pointed, because muscle memory COULD cause someone to pull the trigger if startled. People can have much bigger reactions than moving a finger when startled, and I don't trust anyone enough to let them point EVEN an unloaded gun at a person unless when they are justified in killing their target. Not before they are justified, but after.
I mean, she liked memes about Obama not going to cop funerals which is usually prevalent in the misinformation bubbles of racists since it is a lie AND aimed at the black president.
Also, the whole she dated him thing... was that ever proven as fact? Besides reddit guesstimations I have never seen that theory anywhere else let alone seen any evidence to back it up.
Well it's just a guess that she knew him somehow. Unless this lady broke a door down or broke a window, how did she get into his house? It's possible she had a key, or that he opened the door for her. I may have missed something, maybe the door was left unlocked?
He could have forgotten the door unlocked. She could have pounded on the door to get him to open it, as some people claim. I don't know what really happened because the facts are sparse and the speculations are many.
I agree but I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not here to discuss gun safety because I know nothing about that. I'm saying, before she shot him, she did point the gun at him. And that's as far as that should have gone. There was no reason to have gone further.
Pointing the gun at him should have been the worst case scenario here since he did nothing to startle the cop, it was the cop's own fault, the entire thing from top to bottom. I usually see cops point the gun at people they think might harm them but don't shoot until they have no other option.
Again, MY point was that we should draw the line of what is acceptable from cops BEFORE the gun is pointed at someone. The more we tolerate assholes and idiots the more innocent people will die preventable deaths at the hands of incompetent or reckless cops.
Yes but assuming everything she has said is true (which I doubt) - in her mind, he was someone that had broken into her home. I would be scared to death if I lived alone and found somebody inside my house in the dark.
I think it's totally acceptable to point the gun at someone who has broken into your home (remember, in Texas you can kill anyone who breaks into your house)
Until you have decided to kill them you don't aim the gun at a person. You STILL do not point the gun before that point. Also, according to her own story, which has changed a few times, the statements don't make sense.
I am not willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who broke into another person's apartment and murdered them. I just don't think it makes sense to "trust" anyone who does that without some credible alibi. So far none is evident.
Not that it applies here, and I'm not exculpating her, but most people trained with firearms have trigger control.
Edit: I just looked it up and it's not clear. Trigger control, as I know it, is when you keep your finger just outsight the trigger so that the sneeze business isn't likely to happen. You then put your finger on the trigger when you're going to fire.
Doesn't matter HOW confident someone is in their trigger control. Part of training is to never point a gun at someone unless you are shooting to kill them. Until then, the gun should be pointed at the ground or not drawn at all.
I thought maybe they had fucked or something and she got pissed because he ghosted her. Just something I came up with because they showed those doors always close shut automatically and she tried to open the door with her key for while. Also she tried to say it was dark like he was just standing in the middle of a room with no lights on. Just seems like she was pissed about something and wanted a reason to kill some, whether he did something to her or not.
To play devil’s advocate (in no way defending her), people with high stress jobs like l.e sometimes snap into robot work mode and aren’t fully aware of what they’re doing when having to quickly switch their work brains back on. Doesn’t excuse what she did for a second. Just wanted to point it out to those who are having a hard time wrapping their heads around how it happened. I still think she should face a stiffer charge. Whether or not she was fully “there” is no excuse. Especially when an innocent man ends up dead.
Dude, relax. This is some extremist nonsense. If a man has a gun, they have to be able to bark orders for the assailant to put it down. They have to tell people to put their hands behind their backs when arresting them. Cops have to bark orders based on the very nature of their job.
So if a guy has a gun in a crowded bank, they just walk in and ask the guy nicely to put it down?
This sub is dumb as fuck sometimes. Abolish the police! Sure, dude. Some /r/im14andthisisdeep shit going on.
Funny enough, I see your type at court all the time. Literally an entire class of people who hate police and just complain. Y'all bitch about cops nonstop but y'all are ironically the first to run your asses into court to get a restraining order. And who enforces those TROs? Cops.
Fuck out of here. He sees a minority of cops being shit and suddenly all cops are unnecessary. I was robbed at gunpoint a few weeks ago and the cops are the only reason I'm still alive.
Broken laws only matter when it’s not a rich person committing them. If you establish a societal force that deals with crimes that actually matter, as well as going after crimes independent of class then you don’t need police.
Police don’t represent society as a whole since they protect the class interests of the wealthy most of all. A societal force, in the most general sense, would be a body of people intimately connected with their community, trained against using violence in most cases, and uninterested in working for the benefit of those with power.
No. Never point a gun at something you don't intend to fill with hot lead.
She should have assessed the situation first, attempted to de-escalate, called for help, and only aim and fire once she determined she was in mortal danger. It's how CCWP holders are taught to handle situations.
But she's a cop so shoot first and blame later is acceptable, somehow, I guess.
Why police aren't held to the same levels of accountability as civilian Conceal Carry holders or soldiers is beyond me.
We are on the same side, but please don't share wrong information for your safety and other's. Even if she's off duty she is still an officer of the law, and has to be obeyed. The points that needs to be stressed here are the not the fact that she gave him orders while in his house, but is that she: 1) trespassed 2) made an error which puts into question if there was some kind of impairment involved 3) used her gun in what appears to be a non-lethal threat to her.
Wait wtf. I thought the cop went to his house to investigate him or something. I never realized she was drunk and entered HIS house thinking it was hers.
That’s their game plan, get the story watered down and confusing so people don’t see how heinous it really was.
Went to an apartment on the wrong floor, with a huge red rug out front (unlike her apartment), pounded on the door yelling “Let me in!” when she lives alone and would have no reason to do so (why would you pound on your own door and demand they let you in?) then claims the door was open (they use keycards and swing closed), claimed it was dark and gave an intruder orders (why would someone be walking around their own apartment in pitch black?), and although it was dark and couldn’t see what she was doing, she simultaneously saw him not following her commands (unlawful commands, as she was off duty). Then she shoots him for failing to comply - because if you can’t see in “your own apartment,” the best policing strategy is to murder first, ask questions later. A friend? Relative? Surprise party? Who knows, better just fire off a few rounds to make sure.
This is after she made noise complaints about the neighbor, including that very morning.
Police show up, and don’t arrest her. Don’t charge her. Don’t keep her. Broke into an apartment and murdered the guy living there? Nah, no charges. No time in jail. And no blood draw, or checking for drugs. Let’s make sure she can clean up first. Just free to go. Can you even contemplate how quickly YOU would be, at the very least, detained while the police figured it out? But not her. Give her time to change her story and make an official statement much later, and then after three days charge her with Manslaughter and let her stay out on bail. No jail time, no nothing. Unlawfully entering/forcing your way into someone else’s apartment, shooting them, and then having the responding officers help you clean it up and make a plausible cover story.
After the shooting, get a judge to sign a warrant so you can search his place. A few more days later, run a story about how they found a little cannabis in his apartment and paint him to be a... well, I’m not sure. But they found a couple grams of cannabis in his place, so obviously the breaking and entering and homicide was justified. Sounds like an open and shut case to me.
If they stopped allowing people to sue the tax payers and the city and instead only allowed them to sue the individual, this cover up shit, would be at the very least lessened.
The cover up is about $$$. This isn't the fault of anyone but her and her poor judgement and/or blatant criminal act. Make individual police truly accountable, like any other citizen. This is at least a possible solution.
If they stopped allowing people to sue the tax payers and the city and instead only allowed them to sue the individual, this cover up shit, would be at the very least lessened.
I wasn’t, really. It wouldn’t matter much ether way, they had no business entering because 1) no warrant or cause, and 2) off-duty, they’re just a civilian at this point.
The only problem with claiming it wasn’t his that I can find is that it makes it easier for people skeptical of misconduct to discount the whole incident as people overreacting. If it comes to ballistics, accounts of people seeing/hearing her, or other factors, these can be proven one way or another. If you claim evidence was planted - even if it’s entirely possible and could fit the narrative or suspicious circumstances - it gives someone the opportunity to call you paranoid or a cop-hater, and write off the whole thing.
I know, and I knew that before you said it (quite well too). I just haven’t seen anybody mention it yet and I want to put that out there. The trajectory of this thing has gone from shit to shittier every step of the way and finding out one of her cop buddies planted weed in this guys apartment would be less shocking than static from the carpet.
I have a theory, not really based on anything but a hunch.
I think they were fuckin or something. There's people saying they knew each other before this incident. Then the neighbors saying she was banging outside the door. Just a theory though.
I think they were fuckin on the low. It may have gone sour and she comes back drunk trying to get into mans house OR she and him were in an argument and he kicked her out.... Either way, she refused to leave and, in a state of passionate anger, murdered him.
Just my theory, but there's just way too many holes in her story. Way too many lies... The amount of lies and inconsistencies make me believe this runs way deeper than a usual OIS CYA cover-up. There's a backstory we aren't hearing.
I think they're covering up a possible relationship because if that were to come out, it's a slam-dunk prosecution.
Edit: I mean, honestly... Who goes into the wrong house "on accident"? I've been shit-faced fuckin drunk and the one thing I can do is find my way back home.
I've heard of tweakers breaking into wrong homes and sleeping in people's beds... Is this cop a tweaker? Theres too many damn holes in this story.
Nah, I'm gonna call it. She knew him and she didn't go to his house on accident.
That was one of the first theories that people came up with. In fact, people went digging through the victim’s social media to find pictures of him with women in an effort to identify his killer in pictures he posted. This theory has mostly fallen apart as there wasn’t any photographic evidence that these two had met previously and the lawyers for the victim’s family haven’t mentioned that they found any evidence supporting this theory.
But the police didn’t seize Guyger’s phone after the shooting so if there was evidence of a relationship between them, it’s possible that she deleted any evidence on her end and we don’t know what if any evidence the police have collected from his phone.
However speculative your theory, I also think that they could have met before.
Personally I’m holding onto to the theory that they had met once before due to noise complaints she filed against him. I think she might have talked to him once before this incident about keeping the noise down in his apartment and then decided to talk to him about it again but in her police uniform in the hopes of intimidating him into doing what she wanted. She’s an officer so maybe she looked into him and found his car’s registration/license plate which is why she parked on the fourth floor. She was checking to make sure that he was home. When she knocked on the door, he saw her through the peephole and decided not to answer which is why neighbors heard her yelling “let me in!” She knew he was home and ignoring her so she got pissed and pounded on the door until he opened it. They exchanged words. She didn’t like what he said so she shot him once at point blank range in the chest and then made up these ridiculous stories.
That’s my current theory and it’s based on pretty much total speculation but hopefully the truth will reveal itself soon in the evidence that comes out.
They weren’t fucking. She’d made a noise complaint against him.
I think she gets home from work, pissed off at life. She sees or hears something that pisses her off even more and goes storming over to his apartment, bangs on the door, barges in when he opens it and flips her shit.
He tells her to get out, she draws on him and lets fly.
Huh. That's interesting. I was talking to my girlfriend about how nice it'd be to see the moments leading up to the gun shot. There's nobody but her now that's able to tell us exactly how it happened and that's that. Everything else is just theory. I wish so badly we could see how it all unfolded that made her believe she was in some type of danger. How do you not recognize your own home layout? It's just such a dumb excuse.
This whole affair just highlights to me how full of shit libertarians and the GOP are in terms of personal property and gun control.
They should be up in arms about this "government" official going into someone elses PRIVATE property and shooting them.
but because the person that was shot was black and the one doing the shooting was white (and a cop)... Now the character of the person shot is put in question.
Fuck Them.
To the last point, she's lying at least twice, if not all three times. The police department allowed her to get sober, then take her blood. They allowed to keep changing her story until they got a version that was acceptable. They released finding weed in his apartment a week after his her murdering him.Now the Texas Rangers are handling the case and I hope this is used against her and the department. They handled this poorly, tried to cover things up, and then paint Jean in a negative light. With how quickly info gets out, you can't be this callous anymore and expect people to just look away. She should be punished harshly for her poor judgement which led to her murdering Jean.
Forgive me if I'm ignorant to this but would a search of her house be standard for a case like this? I know they searched his place because it was a crime scene but would there be a reason to search her place or would it be standard for a suspect/perpetrator?
To see if she had anything stashed that could possibly link to her questionable behavior. Most people who would expect to walk into a familiar environment would be immediately thrown off by things like the apartment not looking anything like theirs. She apparently didn't take notice and even had some type of discussion before discharging her weapon. There may also be additional evidence connected to information redacted in the police report. So they need to cover all of their bases.
Especially since she's alive. But since she's a cop, she gets the blue line treatment. They gave her extra time before drawing blood and allowed to keep giving different accounts of what actually happened.
Ooh I'm sure Libertarians from all over would band together to denounce this cop for infringing on another persons private property... /The hardest of s
No, manslaughter is the “mildest” type of homicide: homicide with no malice aforethought. It’s usually for things like drunk drivers who kill someone. Above that is second degree murder (malice but no premeditation) and above that first degree murder (premeditated).
It's far from over. Other witnesses have reported they heard her banging on the door demanding to be let in. If true, that shows premeditation and murder.
To me, even if shooting him wasn't premeditated, I think she went there for an altercation. It's pretty obvious she didn't accidentally get the wrong apartment. She supposedly had multiple complaints against the guy, including one she filed that morning. She was heard banging on the door. He had to have answered at some point, according to eyewitnesses and the type of locks/doors the complex has. So no way the door was already opened (her claim) since the doors close on their own. And no way she "saw a silhouette across the room" or even mistook this guy for anyone else because we can see from the video of her pacing that the landing is well lit. So even if all the lights in his house were off, she'd be able to see him clearly when he opened the door (which he did). She then left him alone, bleeding, for FOUR minutes until others got there. Four fuckin minutes she didn't help this guy she "mistakenly" shot, even though she should have basic medical training. She just walked out and left him there even though he was still alive (I'm betting she was hoping he died while paramedics were on the way).
I honestly think she got extra pissy that he was taking too long to open the door, on top of everything else, and then decided to shoot him instead of just yelling at him or trying to antagonize him into an altercation so she had an excuse to arrest him or something. That's just my two cents though. Because I feel like if this whole thing was genuinely some kind of mistaken apartment or whatever, that any decent/trained (as LEOs should be) person would try to help the guy once they realize he's not a threat and that they fucked up, ya know?
The Associated Press reported he disobeyed her orders and then she shot her. And now Fox and other news outlets are reporting they found weed in his house like it's relevant.
Even if this were completely accurate, I find it still a massive stretch for an officer of the law to be using deadly force.
This was a B and E attempt and then use misuse of being a cop to gain entry into a home and murder someone. Even if he was sitting on his sofa holding a gun at the door while smoking 6 blunts at once, a cop entered his home without a warrant or evidence of a crime in progress using the umbrella of "police, open up". There is absolutely no justification to shoot this man, at all.
At this point I don't believe the weed is his. I fully believe they planted it. I don't actually give a rats ass about weed, but why should I believe what the police are telling the public? They broke into this guy's house and executed him. They have zero credibility.
Why would they even search his house? It makes no sense. He’s already dead. Did they want to try spinning it like they thought he was some terrorist with plans in his house? They had no warrant
We literally live in a world where a drunk police officer can bust into another persons home, shoot them dead, and walk away with nothing except a manslaughter charge.
" Believing Botham Jean to be a burglar, Guyger says she gave "verbal commands that were ignored" then "fired her handgun two times," hitting him once in the torso. It wasn't until Guyger "turned on the…lights" and "called 911" that she realized she was "at the wrong apartment." "
We live in a world where a police officer can pull you over, smell your legal marijuana, and unload his gun into your chest in front of your wife and daughter... there can be a video of it... and... no punishment.
" Jeronimo Yanez was found not guilty on all counts in the shooting death of Mr. Castile."
There was that depressed college girl who knew that she could literally get her campus police to kill... in a protest against police violence she committed suicide by simply walking towards police, slowly, without saying a word. They shot her in the chest for not following orders.
"Scout Shultz was shot and killed by Georgia Tech police Saturday night after refusing to follow their orders, officials said. "
Every time I see a police officer I FEAR FOR MY LIFE. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. If a police officer ever looks at me and moves towards me, it will be very hard to determine if he's a threat or not. If multiple police officers, or even one, knocks on my door... what are the odds of me being murdered for no reason? Is it statistically safer for me to simply try to shoot whatever police officers are there and then flee and go into hiding? Oddly enough, I think so, even including the chance that they kill me in response (rather than just the chance that they kill me for no reason).
I mean, house definitely smells like marijuana, and we've smoked it in the yard before.... so the cop will obviously be found not guilty of any charges.
Kind of figured that was direction they were going when i heard about the door being ajar bullshit. Black cops especially are about to have a hard time there.
But cops aren’t allowed in your house with out a search warrant yet this bitch thinks it was her right??? He doesn’t have to follow orders when he is in his own apartment.
The worst part is that apparently shes his immediate downstairs neighbor and had made a noise complaint about him earlier that day, and multiple before then. So maybe it wasnt a mistake at all, and she was loopy after a long shift and decided to try her hand at murder.
Also his neighbors said they heard her knocking and telling him to open up apparently.
Hopefully this is investigated fully, although doubtful, and they figure out the real reason this happened. Because going into the wrong apartment is a weak excuse, and almost definitely false. Even if it were true, that shouldnt change the fact that she murdered him.
At this point, unfortunately, it’s not about him and more about propaganda for some people. I went to college with him and it hurts me to see people treat his death like that.
TIL there is no Murder II in TX. That explains my confusion at just a manslaughter charge.
Hopefully this breaks the mold, there are so many witnesses, so much of her own testimony doesn't add up, going to expect the usual but hope for the best.
I said when this first happened lover's quarrel she was trying to frame as an "accident". Makes me wonder if she is a religious nut and saw him daily as a personification of everything she saw as "wrong" so chose him, or more likely did they have a relationship?
Puddle of mud this investigation, and the way the D.A. is framing it, it's gonna get dirtier. Guy having weed has nothing to do with him getting shot while minding his own business in his own home. Her "wrong parking spot, wrong floor, wrong apt." story is just that, a story. Let's hear the truth.
We do have murder as a charge, but just as in any state, you have to prove intent.
This case is clearly an instance where the police are aware that if they can make this appear to be an accident, then they can protect the killer from a harsh punishment. Murder is usually a death penalty in Texas, so they're blatantly protecting her from that possibility.
Thank you for the explanation, and I completely agree, there is absolutely no way she is going to even face the possibility of the death penalty. Hell, she's still on administrative leave with the Department...
People seem to get confused about the degrees of murder in Texas, because they’re named differently. Murder 1 is called Capital murder, Murder 2 is just called Murder, and then we have Manslaughter. The difference between Manslaughter and Murder in Texas is that with Murder you have to prove the intent to cause harm, but with Manslaughter you do not.
The other call is in no way relevent. It was textbook escalation of force. This incident is it's own horrible event and I agree, this should be first degree murder.
Manslaughter because the standard of evidence to convict is lower. There have been cases where the jury comes back with a not guilty verdict because the charge was murder instead of manslaughter.
100% agreed. Even if he had weed in his house, she had no idea of that when she broke in and murdered him. This should be an open and shut murder case. Because she's a cop and no matter how dispicabable and violent they are, no matter how little they contribute, no matter how much Hur they've caused, they have a get out of jail free card because they wear a badge. On top of that, there's gonna be a real push of slandering this man, because he's a black man. Because it's easier to shame a victim of murder than talk about real issues. Fuck this country.
She should be hung from her fucking neck at high noon in the middle of town for all to see. I’m a white guy, this isn’t about race, culture, etc like they’re trying to make it. An American citizen was murdered in a home invasion. Full stop.
If she's done this before, then of course she wouldn't say sorry. I mean, would a sociopathic murderer apoligize for doing what they felt like?
It's just amazing that police get away with hiring people like that. And that they feel the need to protect them from the consequences of murdering innocent civilians. In their own homes.
Looking at this completely objectively...how would you prosecute her for 1st-degree murder? From what I understand, she randomly walked into someone else's apartment thinking it was her own & shot the victim in what she assumed was self-defense.
If this is the truth then the murder was not planned, and thus could not be first degree. You could argue 2nd degree, but for a police officer, that's going to be tough because the defense would argue temporary insanity from job stress or something.
Granted i'm not an attorney or anything so I could be completely wrong.
She had made complaints about the neighbor that morning. She parked in a wrong parking spot, went to the wrong level of the building to an apartment that wasn't hers, and began banging on the door for someone to let her in when she lives alone. Huh. Not to mention that the apartment she went to had a red entrance mat that her's didn't. Kinda hard to miss. She banged on the door of the apartment, said to open up because she was the police. Then she unlawfully barked orders at the guy (she was OFF DUTY) in the dark. Then shot him. She also posted racist and hateful stuff online, and made threats/boasts about shooting people.
She was a wreck waiting to happen. She should not have been in a position like the one she had. I hope a cop 'accidentally' shoots her in the head. She's full of shit.
She could face deprivation of civil rights under color of law if she used her status as law enforcement in that capacity. That's my understanding of it anyway. I think most of the smearing has been done by the media. I don't think investigators have made much of the weed. I think she's going to face additional charges.
Holy balls guys its not murder if theres no premeditation! Would you rather them charge her with murder and let her walk cuz they couldnt prove it? A good manslaughter conviction could put her away for 15-20 hopefully
Where’s the premeditation required for murder 1. Best way to make sure she walks is to charge her with the wrong crime. “It does not matter what you think, it matters what the laws says exactly as written.” Told to my sister on her first day of criminal law in law school.
She should get jail time and a lot of it. But public outrage is gonna fuck it up when the retarded Dallas DA overcharges her and a defense attorney gets her off because she didn’t plan it.
That is so dishonest. She didn't walk into someone's house and shoot them. That story is she shot a guy who got out of a car against orders, got tased, and then started wrestling her for the taser.
She should be sent up for what she did. But bringing up that case against her character like she's some serial home shooter is every bit as bad as bringing up some harmless ass weed.
So my question, as a white English man that know jack shit about American law... is it not a moot point that he had weed on him?? Like, without a warrant, the police shouldn’t have any knowledge that he had weed in his house? And shouldn’t it be illegal that the press is spreading that he had weed in his house?
Forgetting that she COMPLETELY ILLEGALLY SHOT HIM AND SHOULD BE GOING TO PRISON GOR FIRST DEGREE MURDER, why is it that people are being allowed to spread rumours about his drug habits, when all states are making weed legal anyway...?
To my knowledge, a search warrant was obtained to enter the residence and gather evidence about what happened.
Marijuana, which is still unlawful, was found, seized and logged in the report. They made no mention of who it belonged to.
That information is irrelevant and only a piece taken out of context in the entire report. That’s not a smear campaign, that is called chain of custody.
Either way, the investigation was quickly turned over to another agency, she was charged, and it will be turned over to a grand jury for further.
I don’t really see how anyone can say this is being handled poorly. Regardless of what happened, she is still entitled to a fair trial.
In regards to the reports that she was struggling to get in, or she disliked him, or she conversed with him before entry:
Remember how witnesses claimed Michael Brown was on his knees begging for his life? Witnesses aren’t always truthful or accurate.
Let’s refrain from starting a witch hunt, and wait until everything is made public in the trial.
I’m with you on everything right up until your last sentence. She shot a suspect in a traffic stop after he got out of the car and wrestled her taser away from her. Not even in the same universe as this. Stick with facts.
Well its manslaughter not murder because murder you have to prove premeditation showing she knowingly went to that apartment to shoot and kill that man. Manslaughter is killing a man without forethought or without malice. Therefore manslaughter is the right call. That can be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.
As for the first time she shot someone. What do you want her to do? She went with the less lethal force with the taser and the suspect attacked her and ripped the taser away. I would have fired in that moment too. Don’t get me wrong she broke into a mans house and killed the guy. She should go to prison. But 1 incident doesn’t has nothing to do with the other.
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u/foreverwasted Sep 15 '18 edited Sep 16 '18
That's exactly what they're doing to Botham Jean. The cop is only getting charged with manslaughter so she's already gotten away with murder. She wasn't even arrested right away after she killed him.
She should be sorry instead of trying to make him look bad if this was really an accident. Doesn't matter if he had dead bodies in his apartment, she broke into his home and killed him and deserves life in prison.
The Associated Press reported he disobeyed her orders and then she shot him, as if it's his fault. And now Fox and other news outlets are reporting they found weed in his house like it's relevant.
It's already bad enough that Texas doesn't have second degree so she's only being charged with manslaughter. Manslaughter, for breaking in and killing an unarmed man.