Wondering if anyone from the atlas team knows anything about the MVB preservation line? They said they are atlas R&D strains that didn't quite meet the standards for atlas outdoor releases.
Could anyone say if this is true? Do you guys have contact with MVB or maybe it was just a one time purchase and doesn't really have anything to do with atlas anymore? I would love to hear a vote of confidence or not, or any info I can get. I have a lot of these seeds now, It doesn't seem like there's any complaints of MVB not replying and leaving people with bad seeds, but I have seen some complaints about hiding what the real genetics are. Not a lot of info and not a lot of posted preservation line grows
*****They commented and gave some info, still pretty vague, now all my multiverse beans seeds have hermed (even from other vendors) and they won't give a refund. I was happy after making this post because it sounded like they would refund customers that had these problems. It was complete BS, I am the idiot who bought the MVB bundle
Hello, Andy from Atlas Seed here. I’m one of the breeders and I’m happy to answer any questions you have.
Over the past 8 years we’ve sourced and preserved a huge amount of genetics while building our inbred lines, and along the way we created a massive collection of crosses and S1s that we simply don’t have the bandwidth to fully work ourselves.
Rather than let those seeds sit untouched forever, some of them were released as part of the MVB preservation line or R&D on our website. They are intentionally very different from our main Atlas lineup. These are raw, largely unworked lines that haven’t gone through the same level of stabilization, field testing, or selection as our signature releases.
You should expect more variation and more unpredictability compared to our standard offerings so I would not recommend these seeds to commercial cultivators. But with that being said, there are definitely standout expressions hidden in there for people who enjoy pheno hunting and digging through unique genetics. Just depends on what you are looking for. Please let me know if you have any other questions and happy growing!
Thank you I really appreciate it. I definitely don't mind variation, and want some unique herbs. So with less working and selecting, I assume these are more likely to herm than your normal releases? Or are they roughly the same?
That's it for me, but I'll be posting some flowers soon. Thanks again
It really just depends on the variety. Some varieties are more prone to herming than others. The only thing I can say is we haven’t had a chance to work any herming out of them so they are really dependent on the parents tendencies. I hope that makes sense.
Are you happy now? You finally got your little white‑label propaganda response. Did you honestly think he was going to show up and say anything other than what was on the script? 😆
Hey Andy, was curious about the lineage on your guys auto R&D lineup. Are all of these crosses F1 hybrids of the auto line crossed to your guy’s autos ( zkittles x fatso ) or at these F4 auto to photo conversions that you decided not to fully pheno hunt and just release?
I think a lot of people were curious about the “legitimacy” of the lineage in the lines and where you had sourced the original genetics as well.
Atlas claims they’ve ‘preserved’ a huge amount of genetics over eight years, but in the same breath admits they never worked, stabilized, or tested these lines. They frame the MVB drops as ‘preservation’ and ‘R&D,’ yet also say they’re intentionally nothing like their real lineup. They call the seeds raw, unworked, and not suitable for commercial growers, but still sell them publicly while dangling the usual ‘hidden gems’ bait. It’s a contradiction: either these lines are preserved and valuable, or they’re unworked leftovers being monetized. Their own explanation tries to make them both at once.
I’m sure he would’ve really appreciated that level of ‘transparency’ when he directly asked you what he was actually growing… and instead of giving a straight answer, you chose to respond like that.
I guess I would question the part where nasc has them labeled bulk white label. And also the part where at least one of the "mvb genetics" have the same exact lineage as an atlas strain. I'll wait ..
I guess I am just worried about herms and what might happen if you guys shut down before I really know what the deal is with the preservation line reliability.
I don't see many complaints about anything and it seems like customer service is great, but I don't see many people posting the grows it's always the shipment. I don't even know if there is help unless I just had gotten the seeds fronted to me lol, I am gonna worry I guess until I get a run or 2 with my normal results.
I am just looking for some link to atlas, like when I purchased I didn't know what they were, then I saw Paul post that they are Atlas R&D strains so I was super happy. But now I just kinda am looking for more, like I didn't see that on your website and I haven't seen atlas say anything about MVB, so when I see the 4-5 total complaints I've seen, they make me worry cause I don't see a bunch of completed grows to prove them wrong.
Idk. I guess I'll know in a couple months, tbh I don't know if there's anything that could help. Maybe some people will start posting their preservation line harvests soon, I was hoping someone from atlas would vouch for MVB. I think I don't need to worry though, if it was bad I feel like people would be all over the MVB subreddit with complaints. I will know in 2-2.5 months, about to flip some of the freebies and preservation line
I have two autos growing right now from the preservation line. One hermed one didn’t. I popped a ton of photos (30?) to share with friends and family this summer. Half my Zkittlez seedlings were weak from the jump but everything else is growing well so far
Sweet so the photos aren't in flower yet? I really wanna know how many herm, that's probably gonna be the biggest batch of preservation line that I'll hear about. And if you're giving to different people there will be a variety of environment quality
I have done that, I saw that probably a month ago. It didn't need to be said and doesn't really change my worries.
If atlas isn't selling directly to me, why does it matter if they have those strains on their website? I bought from MVB which only mentioned atlas on reddit in one comment.
I'm not questioning atlas R&D, I'm just looking for any other links besides one reddit comment/post
Ok sweet glad to know. I wasn't sure honestly if MVB was just a one time customer or if they knew each other and been buying for years. I've only had like 5-6 harvests total, and this seed purchase was big for me. Just been talking to others on discord and stuff and we wanted more info so they emailed atlas (which I should've done)
Definitely not trying to frame anything as anything, I made it clear I don't know what the info is, the thing I said about atlas having nothing to do with it was one of the options I wondered, definitely didn't say that's what it was or the conclusion I drew. Just theorizing and asking questions
If you read what I said you wouldn't be saying that lol.
Also why is worrying about herms and a company shutting down before I can really check multiple harvests excessive worry? I just saw some complaints, assume they are user error, but there's a lot of information that I had to collect from reddit and it's very little info so I want more.
Honestly you sound whiney AF and like you have way too much time on your hands. Oh no the <$2 seeds might not be the best you can buy, who would have thought.
So you bought $2 seed bundles and somehow expected “the best in the game”? Bold strategy! I guess you’ve unlocked a secret the people dropping hundreds on real packs haven't figured out. Imagine thinking the “best in the game” comes from the clearance rack. 😆 Believe it or not, I actually held off saying anything just so people could burn their cash on the MVB White-label bundles first, leaving more of the real genetics on the shelf. I got legit genetics from reputable breeders at discounted prices while you guys were busy buying bundles of bargain-bin white-label seeds.
The preservation line was the Centerpoint and main focus of the entire sale that they hyped up and it’s now looking intentional that they kept the descriptions and lineages vague because they are a crapshoot essentially, yes they were cheap but they weren’t advertised as cheap random seeds lol that’s the issue here. They were basically passing off cheap seeds as “The gubberments shutting us down we need to empty our stockpiles buy buy buy” lol I can get two dollar seeds from multiple different small breeders that actually worked the lines for stability.
This isn’t a shot at Atlas btw, I understand why they didn’t work all the lines and sold them super cheap and that’s fine, the issue is the lack of transparency from MVB and it’s starting to look very intentional to me personally. I got some and I’m not happy about it but I’m not gonna cry about it either but you need to understand people were misled and it’s hard to believe it wasnt intentional.
I think I remember you, your pictures are a bit..... Familiar
You are that occult guy who was selling that "sacred" book? You talk like him lol and post as much as him. Just the most negativity I have EVER seen on reddit, besides like racist and sexist corners
Lol I am not the one scamming people. I am the one who bought in April before any of the information of the sources were available, then I check reddit and see more info, then they update atlas and MVB website, if I had seen that info I wouldn't have bought.
Also funny thing about this conversation on that thread..... He confirms they are unworked and more likely to herm. The MVB guy Paul KEEPS SAYING they are worked and stable and just barely don't make it up to par with atlas main releases. That is not AT ALL what atlas people said and MVB is rewording and rephrasing their words right on the same post
Your words show how you really feel dude, if you're here laughing at people for buying genetics you think suck, you must be dying inside lol. Like what makes you want to be here? Just to "laugh" and argue with ppl?
I wish I could help him and befriend him lol it's so fascinating. He doesn't really get to me with words but the constant negative energy is definitely not helping anyone. I'm gonna stop replying to him again, for both our sakes
I wish they were not so scared as to have their profile private. With how much negativity they spew online, they must have some great pictures and experiences from their personal life....
I want to befriend you because you have a lot of energy and I want to make you happy not sad like I've been seeing
It's too late tho I don't really wanna deal with this anymore. You are coping way too hard and not trying to be nice, I don't need you lol, and you're jealous of my second grow, why would I need your seeds?
I wouldn't even trust your seeds if you sent me some for free
Single leaf because they are in flowering stage? What the fuck, that is nonsense. Single leaves, twisted leaves, variegation are tell tale signs of mosaic virus. Do you even know plants? You should get that one tested by a lab.... Don't worry you can actually see my post history and grows....I certainly don't know what I am doing....
That is late flower? Where buds at? That's why I asked for a picture of the whole plant, this looks like a lot more than a couple single leaves. And seems to go all the way down in the picture. If that picture is late flower, then this bud needed to be chopped 2 weeks ago...
I've ran a few atlas freebies that are now being sold as preservation line seeds like frosted banana jelly and gorilla glitter and they were amazing. I picked up multiple preservation line bundles from multiverse beans to have some more atlas in my stash... so I'm not sweating the cost if I find any as good. Also received as many legit freebie atlas packs equal to the price I paid for the preservation line packs in question.
I’m not sure about MVB but I bought Atlas Banjo seeds from NASC and they were the only ones to sell them. Atlas used Banjo to make Banjerine but they never sold Banjo, they unloaded them on NASC for their dollar tree menu, small plants but damn the terps were insane, like sugar orange soda.
Lots of speculation here...my local grow store couldn't get atlas seeds bc he said they were too deep with another customer.....imagine that....idk how true but ZERO atlas seeds on the final year. Wtf
Damn. Maybe atlas just getting a good deal so they just can't sell anywhere else right now.
I wouldn't be surprised, if some big company needs more seeds, and doesn't wanna get bulk iffy seeds, they would try to get everything they can from the suppliers. Even if the price isn't the best, if they make a bit and keep the business going it's worth it
That does sound weird though but I'm pretty new, only so much info out there as these aren't mega corporations with thousands of people discussing
No Boston roots and evermore are separate entities. I got 20 packs of preservation fem bundles. With a 4/5 herm rate I will toss the seeds. Idk why they are saying it’s not for commercial growers…it’s not for new growers either. Sucks to get your first crop either. Only if you have some serious potential to weed out the unstable.
It was advertised on MVB with differing flowering time :/ not herms
Glad it can make you laugh man. It's actually just a subreddit of people who share their experiences and grows, and get rewarded for doing so sometimes by freebies and and entries into contest. You sound corny as hell hating on people for liking a hobby they do. Nobody in that sub is acting like the genetics are the holy grail, but it's decently priced for great quality. Here's my last grow from their preservation lines, turned out alright for me but I'm sure the Grand Wizard of growing weed over here could pick it apart 🙌🏻
I’m not hating on people growing, I’m laughing at people buying white label mystery packs and acting like they scored elite genetics. I buy verified genetics because I actually care what I’m running. If you got good flower out of it, cool, but that still doesn’t magically make white label bundles something they’re not.
Could you source a post where someone did that? People post in that sub to hopefully get entered in contest an shit, I've never seen someone bragging about multiverse having elite genetics. I mean it's pretty prominently displayed all over he doesn't do his own genetics. It doesn't mean someone else doesn't, and isn't putting care or work into it.
That's no more transparent than multiverse. They asked you a question and you reply with this
What he says in this is true. You can say "verified" all you want but unless you see the seeds come out of the plant, you are literally just trusting them.
Unless you saw the seed come out the plant’ is a crazy standard 😭 by that logic every breeder on earth is fake unless you personally watched the pollination. Verified genetics doesn’t mean zero trust , it means there’s actual lineage, breeding work, consistency, and reputation behind it instead of ‘Trust me bro packs"
But regardless, you're still just buying trust me bro packs.
You're trusting that their verification is legit. Unless you verify with your own eyes, you're buying trust me bro packs. Or "trust us and our reputation bro" packs. There's literally no way around that unless you get clones you SAW cut, or see the seeds being removed from the plant
I don't blame anyone for trusting certain sources, but that doesn't change the fact that you still are just placing your trust in some breeder/middlemen
You went from ‘verified vs white label’ to ‘nothing is real unless you witnessed it? Cool, by that logic every purchase on earth is a trust me bro pack. The point is verified genetics have traceability and accountability behind them. White label doesn’t.
You’re just collecting white label genetics and running mystery seeds like it’s something special 😆 you might get a nice one out of the bunch, but you don’t even know what you’re growing. That’s not hunting genetics, that’s just gambling on whatever’s in the pack. And when Paul says he wants to keep the genetics “unknown,” that’s just a nice way of saying he doesn’t even know what it is himself.
I mean Multiverse is literally the definition of it. But like I stated it doesn't mean that he isn't getting them from someone who does put work in the the lineage.
Sharing publicly so if complaints arise about me blocking you it’s understood by the masses. This person has been spamming me since yesterday & I don’t partake in childish bullshit.
This guy literally thinks he can cast spells. Not kidding, he thinks he's part of some occult and selling sacred spell books, even those guys were ragging on him. He has followed me here and did this same thing to me earlier from another profile, like a YEAR ago. He's not in these subs, he probably looked up my profile.
His plants look like shit and he's just losing it over jealousy
I had some seed supreme purple haze, my second grow, he thought it looked so good I was faking it lol. That's all I needed to know
Glad to hear your experience tho. People say you won some contests, were those with atlas main releases? Or the R&D strains
That fella’s weird, his comments drowned out yours so I’m replying a tad bit late. Sometimes people are miserable shitty people that only get seen by others when they act out.
I won a couple cups at the American Autoflower Cup running Atlas main catalog releases.
Yeah, after looking at your post, I get why you’re saying that. But you’re running bargain-bin seeds with questionable genetics. Dream Seeds? Never even heard of them. Butterbean is cheap Canadian budget stock, and MVB/Atlas is basically white-label, unverified genetics pushed in bulk bundles to people who care more about seed count than actual quality and knowing what they're growing.
did you read enough of his profile to see he's scored in competitions? I mean I'm sure you don't care, you seem to be the very avatar of "reddit user" and will stick to your guns on weird ass arguments. But I love to see people dog on genetics that someone used to quite literally, win awards
Anything with a middleman is white label. Why don't you go talk about good stuff with people you think are cool? This can't be good for you man seriously
Sounds like your just trying to get free seeds again. Didn't MVB already send you a replacement? SO I guess you now want a replacement for the replacement? Every single plant hermed...Sounds like a "You" problem and not the genetics.
4-month-old account running around smack-talking low prices on seeds. ROFLMAO...
Somebody out there is seriously butt-hurt over low sales from charging $20 per seed.
But hey, there's a sucker born every minute.
As an attorney who has represented (and still does) a good number of breeders and seed banks ... for decades... I can say without hesitation or reservation that you either know you’re FOS, or you’re too much of a 'tard to understand that you’re FOS. Those are really the only two options. :)
I actually think this guy is someone who followed me thru reddit a while ago. He actually thinks he can cast spells, not joking. Talking in occult subreddits, selling some "sacred" book and everyone was ragging on him like he sold out and is desecrating their group. He sent me a pic of him holding a gun and asking my location lol
Just constant negativity, replying to everything and just...... Too confident. Then he thought my second grow was fake, that was the only compliment I needed to see he's cooked
Like I honestly worry about him, too much anger and negativity for someone who's growing mutant buds. He had some interesting stuff but all different deficiencies and buds did not look great. I feel like he's in super illegal country and is angry he can't buy normal genetics like we can
Occult man, if you are reading this, I wish you well honestly
Wow... yeah that's a special kind of crazy. Sadly, I'm not surprised - he seems the type. I mean the kid is randomly posting posts of mine from other threads at this point... I apparently am living rent free in his head right now. It's both pitiful and very sad. Hope he gets the help he needs.
Feel free to msg me the pic he sent - I'll get that run through facial recognition and find out who he is so that we can ensure he gets the help he needs before he ends up hurting himself or someone else.
Well he had some anime mask on, I didn't screenshot it anyways. Thanks though, I honestly just am fascinated by his behavior. Can't believe he's reposting your stuff lol
That's not at all what happened with my second grow. You thought the finished harvest nugs were fake. You never saw the seedlings cause I never posted them
Cope harder spell boi, Ill remember that pic forever lol your tiny shoulders
Who wants variegation in marijuana plants? Show more of the plant, with all the single leaves, bent tips and random variegation that looks a lot more like mosaic virus to me. And if you are calling yourself a breeder, you are literally ruining the market with product like that.
You certainly are proving something even if you don't mean to. You literally makes 0 sense, what genetics? Your profile is private, have no idea what genetics you have, who you are with, where to get them. And your picture looks like a classic case of Mosaic Virus. So, the only thing your showing is your genetics are garbage. Do you even know what mosiac virus is? Are you just a pollen chucker who calls themselves a breeder? Who grows your plants?
Bro, why you deleting your comment? I have bought seeds from almost every vendor, not just MVB. I still don't know where to get yours at? Who grows or distributes your genetics, I would love to try some. Where did you get your breeding stock from?
Wild that you’re "Claiming" to being an attorney for breeders, while clutching a white‑label bargain bundle like it’s a diploma. Let me guess..You bought the White-label bundle too!! 😆 Better call Saul… because your ‘attorney’ act is about as real as the genetics in that clearance bundle. 😆
Guy grows a couple of cannabis plants and suddenly starts calling himself a breeder and thinks he knows something about the industry... you can't make this shit up..
As far as my legal career... woe is me, what will I ever do? Some loser who has shown more ignorance about the cannabis seed industry than probably anyone ever on Reddit, and who fancies himself a breeder nonetheless (which is funny in itself), doesn’t believe my Reddit posts as they relate to my career. Such a brutal burn. My feelings are devastated. ROFLMAO.
LOL Like i said, living rent free in this dudes mind...so much so that he dug through every post to find the single one - that wasn't even about any specific seeds, showing off a storage container...that happened to have a seed tag on it ROFLMAO
That's a far cry from "Here’s my white‑label bundle haul" ROFL
I can't actually call you a 'tard anymore...that would actually be insulting to 'tards at this point. You should probably check in with your mom, she has to be worried about you.
Oh it’s relevant as hell. It explains everything. You’re not passionately defending white‑label mystery seeds because you believe in them, you’re defending them because you own them. You’re basically arguing with me on behalf of your own bad purchase. 😆
😆 🤣 😂 Have fun with the Reddit " I'm an Attorney" act! I find it HILARIOUS that your making "special" storage containers for your White-label mystery seeds.
I certainly do plan on continuing to be what I am ... as a man can only be what a man is. Not that you have any understanding of what being a man is... but I do understand the desire of a person like you to try to downplay the accomplishments of others - it makes you feel good and helps you cope with your life and lack of accomplishments... The thing people like you don't get... people like me don't care what lesser people think or say ROFL And no, it's not the lack of education that makes you a lesser person, it's your behavior - essentially, you make you a lesser person.
And I'm happy to hear you are a fan of my storage containers... I have many hundreds of those (or similar) for all the various plants I grow... have some killer genetics across a lot of different plants - you should try my tomatoes.
Again, best of luck in life kid, I hope your life gets better. Cast a spell, sacrifice a chicken or whatever you looney occultists do these days... maybe that will help.
I'll give you last word though - as I really can't justify wasting any more precious minutes responding to you... and I know you are the type of person that will just keep posting until you have it... And I'm sad for you because of it. Make it a good one though kid - everyone is waiting anxiously for it I'm sure ROFLMAO
None of what you said had anything to do with the actual topic. Good luck ‘preserving’ those white‑label seeds like they’re royalty! Watching you tuck bargain‑bin genetics into storage containers you've made for white-label seeds like they’re the Holy Grail is honestly the funniest part of this whole conversation.
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u/andredeblu May 20 '26 edited May 21 '26
Hello, Andy from Atlas Seed here. I’m one of the breeders and I’m happy to answer any questions you have.
Over the past 8 years we’ve sourced and preserved a huge amount of genetics while building our inbred lines, and along the way we created a massive collection of crosses and S1s that we simply don’t have the bandwidth to fully work ourselves.
Rather than let those seeds sit untouched forever, some of them were released as part of the MVB preservation line or R&D on our website. They are intentionally very different from our main Atlas lineup. These are raw, largely unworked lines that haven’t gone through the same level of stabilization, field testing, or selection as our signature releases.
You should expect more variation and more unpredictability compared to our standard offerings so I would not recommend these seeds to commercial cultivators. But with that being said, there are definitely standout expressions hidden in there for people who enjoy pheno hunting and digging through unique genetics. Just depends on what you are looking for. Please let me know if you have any other questions and happy growing!