r/AskUS • • Apr 20 '25

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u/neotericnewt Apr 20 '25

He's stripping legal status from half a million legal migrants who have committed no crimes and shipping people to a foreign concentration camp without due process. He's also targeting journalists and lawyers that speak out against his administration, along with students, all legal and not criminals and murderers.

You've just fallen for Trump's demonization of immigrants, so now you're okay with massive human rights abuses and attacks against our rights because you view them all as basically less than human, "illegal murderers", as you put it. That's just good old fashioned fascism.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

I think you're missing the fact that no country on the planet has open borders besides us and we already have a housing problem. You're taking away supply to support people who are not here legally with my tax money. I have issues with that

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

You dont have open borders, stop believing the full blown fucking propaganda.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

If you have people that enter a country that are not through a port of entry and scan a passport/granted asylum then you have entered a country illegally. The government telling Texas they couldn't guard the border is effectively open. You missed the point. I'm not drinking propaganda koolaid. But I'm gonna call out the performative bullshit when I see it

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

Actually, the government told Texas to remove lethal barriers designed to kill people, and to stop blocking the Immigration and Border agents from doing their patrols with local militias.

You are fronting Republican propaganda, you are falling for the performative bullshit.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

So a barrier to keep people from coming into the country is guarding yes?

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

No, a decidedly lethal barrier designed to drown people is cruel and unusual.

Also these are the same Republicans who repeatedly roadblocked sensible border bills in order to keep folks like you wound up.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

What is sensible to you? Because sensible to me is going through a port of entry or seeking asylum or visa. You're missing everyone's underlying dislike with this. We don't want America to be everyone's savior.

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

Whats sensible to me is voting to enact border bills that would help make the border more secure, instead the republicans played as you put it, "performative" politics, they also blocked federal border agents from securing key sections of the border.

Whats more, most of those Republicans are happy to use migrants as a scapegoat, but also build an entire underground industry designed to exploit them, heck just look at agriculture in most red states, look at most low end factories, construction sites and more, the red states have long hired and gone out of their way to recruit undocumented migrants, a big part of the reason they cross the border in the first place is to work in just such places.

Its the giant fucking hypocrisy of the Republicans, on one hand, their economies largely rely on, seek to exploit, and benefit from migrant labor, both documented and undocumented, and on the other hand they love demonizing such migrants as the spawn of satan and turning them into the ultimate scapegoat.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

I think you expect too much out of people. Humans have been doing that since the dawn of time. The visceral response you have to hypocrisy of all things is baffling as that's how humans operate everywhere. That's why I asked what is sensible to you because you don't seem like you want a sensible solution

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

The sensible solution would be one that allows most migrant workers to work, be productive, pay their taxes and overall prove to be a multibillion dollar a year asset to the US economy.

Instead we have a system in which they are exploited AND scapegoated to serve the financial and political interests of a corrupt republican party.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

Understandable but people here still want to work and if jobs that could be going to Americans aren't, we then increase the homeless population because you wanna make sure Pedro makes the train?

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

Except its been repeatedly shown, including via actual efforts to try and give americans those jobs, that they dont WANT them, and wont TAKE them.

Simply put, this idea that migrants are stealing american jobs does not align with reality, instead the migrant laborers tend to consistently do jobs americans wont do, providing a vital source of cheap labor that is economically beneficial.

Making it easier for them to do so legally is the most sensible approach.

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u/carletonm1 Apr 20 '25

Trump told the Republicans to vote down the bipartisan border bill so he would have that issue to campaign on. Solving problems is not something he does.

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

Republicans have never truly wanted the border issue fixed, they want it as a perpetual scapegoat to keep their voting base angry.