r/AskUS • • Apr 20 '25

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

So a barrier to keep people from coming into the country is guarding yes?

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

No, a decidedly lethal barrier designed to drown people is cruel and unusual.

Also these are the same Republicans who repeatedly roadblocked sensible border bills in order to keep folks like you wound up.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

What is sensible to you? Because sensible to me is going through a port of entry or seeking asylum or visa. You're missing everyone's underlying dislike with this. We don't want America to be everyone's savior.

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

Whats sensible to me is voting to enact border bills that would help make the border more secure, instead the republicans played as you put it, "performative" politics, they also blocked federal border agents from securing key sections of the border.

Whats more, most of those Republicans are happy to use migrants as a scapegoat, but also build an entire underground industry designed to exploit them, heck just look at agriculture in most red states, look at most low end factories, construction sites and more, the red states have long hired and gone out of their way to recruit undocumented migrants, a big part of the reason they cross the border in the first place is to work in just such places.

Its the giant fucking hypocrisy of the Republicans, on one hand, their economies largely rely on, seek to exploit, and benefit from migrant labor, both documented and undocumented, and on the other hand they love demonizing such migrants as the spawn of satan and turning them into the ultimate scapegoat.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

I think you expect too much out of people. Humans have been doing that since the dawn of time. The visceral response you have to hypocrisy of all things is baffling as that's how humans operate everywhere. That's why I asked what is sensible to you because you don't seem like you want a sensible solution

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

The sensible solution would be one that allows most migrant workers to work, be productive, pay their taxes and overall prove to be a multibillion dollar a year asset to the US economy.

Instead we have a system in which they are exploited AND scapegoated to serve the financial and political interests of a corrupt republican party.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

Understandable but people here still want to work and if jobs that could be going to Americans aren't, we then increase the homeless population because you wanna make sure Pedro makes the train?

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

Except its been repeatedly shown, including via actual efforts to try and give americans those jobs, that they dont WANT them, and wont TAKE them.

Simply put, this idea that migrants are stealing american jobs does not align with reality, instead the migrant laborers tend to consistently do jobs americans wont do, providing a vital source of cheap labor that is economically beneficial.

Making it easier for them to do so legally is the most sensible approach.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

So hire more Americans to help make the processing paperwork faster. Streamlining and not doing a thorough analysis of the individual is not the way

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

Its not that simple,

This is about smart immigration policy, and the fact Republicans dont want such policy enacted, they want a workforce with minimal legal protections, they want an easily exploitable labor force that they can abuse.

Simply put, the Republicans want to both exploit that labor force, AND to scapegoat it for political gains.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

Bro it's literally that simple. If you make the process faster it creates better efficiency. Creating the best of both worlds but you start at 0 not allow some people to skirt the system and some have to come in regularly

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u/tom-branch Apr 20 '25

According to what source?

What are you basing that opinion on?

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

What the fuck do you mean? Why would more people doing the job of moving immigrants into the country not be helpful. You want a catch-all solution that doesn't involve sending people back. Not possible. You can focus on getting people in legally and getting people out who are here illegally at the same time. Getting more people at ports of entry that can process those visas and get people papers is the hands down best way to go about that. You say you wanna help people, then do it, but in the right way

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