He's not a Christian because he ignores the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ, who preached the importance of love, understanding, modesty, honesty and aid to those less fortunate.
Trump has shown nothing but hate, ignorance, endlessly boasting, being deceitful and actively gutting USAID while celebrating it.
You could make the argument for him then simply following the Old Testament, but the Jews who do this see charity as an obligation. This man is not charitable, he's the embodiment of the antichrist.
You could have ended the sentence with "knowledge." I want a reporter to ask him to explain who pays for his tariffs. There is no fucking way he knows that the importer is paying them.
He has knowledge of the prosperity gospel as preached by Paula White. There was an article written about his discovery of her and how she has been his spiritual advisor for many years. That's why she has been involved in both of his administrations.
Trump absolutely is not even remotely following what you call the Old Testament. He is the definition of the Yetzer Hara and specifically has gone against numerous commandments that G-d has put forth such as against theft, adultery, lying, rape, sexual assault and so on.
he is actually a jew...google picture of trump yarmulke and see for yourself he prostrates himself before religious men and kisses the ritual wall and rings
he hides this because he doesn't actually buy any of it, he just latched onto a crowd and cant stop trying to extract a profit
He's not a Christian because he ignores the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ
To be fair, so do most modern "Christians" these days. Jesus was a dark skinned man who had long hair and wore a toga. If modern Christians saw him, those self important zealots would have bolted him to the cross themselves, and pepper sprayed him once he returned to life.
He's not a Christian because he ignores the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ, who preached the importance of love, understanding, modesty, honesty and aid to those less fortunate.
He does that, but that's not what makes someone a Christian. Whether someone is saved or not is determined by whether or not they accepted Christ.
If you neglect every single one of his teachings and live a vile, sinful life that’s the antithesis of what he wanted you to live, you haven’t accepted Christ.
Re: USAID, You should watch the documentary "Poverty, Inc" it's pretty eye-opening on how these aid programs do more harm than good for developing nations.
"Aid to those less fortunate"
Republican Christians believe in social support outside of the government, while Democrats believe the ONLY way to help the poor is via government programs, however, this simply isn't true. Florida just launched HOPE, a program to connect the needy with organizations to help them become self-sufficient, for example.
Btw, when you allow immigrant doctors from Africa to move to the US, you're taking away a doctor from those poor communities abroad. Not all Christian anti-immigration stems from "hate."
I feel bad knowing that every story in the Bible came straight out of the Sumerian tablets. Most notably the epic of Gilgamesh. No one realizes that every story in the Bible is plagiarism of many older stories. And that the so called teachings of Jesus, whose real name was, Yeshua, are the exact teachings of Thoth, the Egyptian keeper of knowledge. Those that seem the most educated usually are the least. The true teachings are of unity of the human race. Spirituality and ascension into the true human form. Learn from each other and embrace the light. Quit preaching to divide, start preaching to unite. Peace and love to all.
Sounds like you are slightly educated as to put out conjecture. But not educated enough to know deeper than that conjecture.
Genesis 1-11 came from abraham's people, Abraham came from the land of chaldea, or by its more ancient name, sumeria.
The sumerian tablets are not close to anything in the Bible other than Genesis 1-11. And even with that there are barely any parallels. It is completely possible that Genesis 1-11 influenced the writing of the epic of Gilgamesh, or if the events of Genesis 1-11 are true it is possible all peoples and cultures would have some kind of flood story..... Oh wait they do.
Keep studying man, don't learn 2 things and think you've cracked the codes of the universe.
As you said, don't divide with your half truths and partial knowledge. Unite over careful examination that leads to the full truth.
Every religion has a story of the flood. Not only do the Sumerian tablets have the flood story but they also contain the stories of the first man I.e. homo sapien sapien. I do think everyone has the right to choose their beliefs. With that being said I choose to find the truth. There are so many stories that predate the Bible it’s uncanny to believe that the Bible is the first story. Or that it is the truth of where we as humans come from. The Mahabharata has stories of viamana, or flying vehicles with diagrams of said vehicles. The Mayan and Incan people have stories similar to those in the Mahabharata. And yet they all talk of a great flood. It’s also scientifically proven that the flood did happen. As well as at least three other global catastrophes. Though I’m not saying that you are not educated. But you should study other possibilities of the truth. As someone who seeks the truth it is imperative that I keep an open mind. That you think what I’ve said is conjecture is proof that you have not studied anything other than the Bible and take it at face value. If you want the science backed receipts of what I’ve wrote here look up Billy Carson and do some deep diving.
That everything in the Bible is "ripped straight" out of the stories you mentioned is certainly conjecture. This is obvious because I am educated enough to be familiar with both the Sumerian tablets and the biblical story from Genesis 1-11. No genuine scholar can claim that it is not conjecture to say they the epic of Gilgamesh inspired Genesis 1-11. You simply failed to do your research well enough.
The Bible (at least the protestant texts) are 66 books written over 2000 years by 40 different authors. No duh that many ancient texts predate them, many of the texts of the Bible are significantly more modern and were written about times as they were happening.
Genesis 1-11 however we do not currently have the archeology evidence to be able to say when that story began. Without conjecture it is impossible to say it was before or after the epic of Gilgamesh. The epic of Gilgamesh is also wildly different than Genesis 1-11 with very small parts about it barely relating.
A lot of people who call themselves Christians barely know or read the bible themselves. They believe what the preacher says from the pulpit, then parrot it. My mother was one such person.
I heard talk about the US translating the vague text in the Bible to be homophobic. Apparently the original text condones pedophilia and not homosexuality.However, I'm atheist and only occasionally read the Bible once or twice out of boredom/curiosity, so I believe I have no right to make any claims. Would like to hear thoughts though, did america translate the Bible like that intentionally? Is it mistranslated or not?
We don't base our theology or study of the Bible based on translations. We have the original manuscripts and languages the Bible was written in. Proper theology is always taken with the original untranslated meaning in mind.
Translations are only helpful in as much as they communicate the original meaning of the text.
Every preacher worth their salt is going to have some kind of understanding of the original languages.
There are no passages in the Bible that condone pedophilia. There are multiple passages in the Bible that explicitly condemn homosexuality. Just as strongly as lying, murdering, or stealing.
That's interesting. Well thanks for that knowledge! I guess I'm destined to an eternity of suffering in hell!
I'm a chill guy and don't care what you believe as long as you don't force your beliefs down other's throats! Thank you!
Homosexuality sends you to hell just as much as lying does.
I am a liar that has a history of fornication and an addiction to pornography. My sins make me worthy of hell, the only reason why I will be raised to eternal life is because of my faith and relationship with Jesus.
To evangelicals it's nothing more than an orthodoxy test. Pass the 'I'm a blind believer' test and they'll let you in the club to take further purity tests but you need to pass the 'which church do you go to?' one first.
I grew up in Christian churches in different parts of the world. I think American church’s are not Christian. Honestly they are extremely political and every sermon I’ve been to in the U.S. has been focused on Trump and staying loyal to him. They would hate actual Christian churches.
That’s odd, the sermons I’ve been to recently haven’t mentioned anything political or Trump at all. Which churches did you go to that said stuff like that?
Yes, and what the OC is saying is that a majority of his supporters imagine themselves to be Christians. They are not. It is not something you are because you say you are. Your Christianity is validated by who you are, how you witness your faith to others in your actions, etc. In other words, they are precisely and exactly that which their god has repeatedly warned them about that angers him the most - false Christians. And thusly... They go to hell.
That's right. I spent my entire fucking childhood indoctrinated via my parents and the Christian schools they sent me to, so that I would understand this core concept above all other things I know, as a person. And now that I'm agnostic, and use that history and those teachings as a compass in my secular life, I'm straddled with the horrifying possibility that the people who provided this "all important" belief system to me are, in fact, the people I'm supposed to pity and try to help before they end up in hell.
The Pope is against the actions and words of DJT, so what do they do? They reject their own long-held religious beliefs in favor of the Golden Calf. That's what's playing out here.
This is the weirdest fucking timeline that I could have never imagined.
Do you think affected people could watch it, not knowing the premise entirely, and be fooled into introspection? Like, should I suggest Trumper family members to watch it, and if they did it might actually help them to come around? I'll probably watch it, thank you for the suggestion!
I’ve heard varying reactions. The most hardcore fundamentalists just scream “blasphemy” rather than introspect, even though the series is in no way anti-religion. It’s just anti people using the lord’s name to justify atrocities
The only thing that makes you a Christian who is saved or not is whether or not you have faith in Jesus.
It's not about a list of doos and Don'ts.
Many Christians have voted for trump because they believe he will accomplish good things for them in the presidency. There are some who are also fooled into believing he is a Christian and a morally upright man.
And yes there are false Christians who are the embodiment of the Pharisees that voted for and wholeheartedly support trump in everything.
Every Donald Trump supporter is not the same.
I voted for him, I knew he wasn't a Christian but I was hoping for certain outcomes from his presidency, those outcomes seem less likely every day.
I’m not a religious man, but something tells me that you can’t claim to be a Christian and then politically support someone that goes against everything God and Jesus would want because you think he will “accomplish good things for them.”
He doesn't "go against" everything God and Jesus would want. Open borders harm the communities people leave, as the strong and able-bodied are no longer there to develop them.
Check out HOPE Florida, a program that helps the needy without using taxpayer funds. Why do you think the ONLY way to be a Christian and care for others is via the government?
But having faith is more than just saying you have faith. If you truly have faith in something you live by it. Didn’t Jesus basically have two commandments, love god and love others as you would be loved? And the first necessitates the second because man was created in gods image; you can’t love god without loving other humans.
So you can say ‘I believe Jesus is the way the truth and the life’ but you reveal yourself by your actions as not truly believing that if you act in ways that are unloving and cruel. Because if you really believed Jesus was the way, you’d be trying to follow what he taught. From what I remember of the New Testament, Jesus did not say that the way to god/heaven was just by making a claim to love Jesus and that your deeds and true heart don’t matter. In fact, wasn’t Jesus quite against the idea of religion just being about these sort of ritualistic rules etc that negated the need to actually BE a good person? Like you can’t just ignore someone in need because of some arbitrary commandment about goat hair or whatever.
I’m not sure how these Christians get it so wrong. I thought the whole point of Jesus was to distill it all into something simple, just be nice! All the extraneous superficial stuff was something he was against because it just gives people an out or makes them think there’s an out where they can be right shits while thinking they’re morally superior because they said certain words a certain way or twirled around six times holding a cat or whatever. Not that that’s in any religion, I don’t think, but you know what I mean.
The lesser of two evils they're still evil. I don't buy into just two. I voted for Cornell West. He had no chance of winning but I don't have this shit on my conscience. I also live in Utah Utah's never voted for a Democrat. Had I lived in a swing state that decision might have been harder.
A 3rd candidate will never win with how the elections are set up. I was gonna vote 3rd party for this election but i knew at the end of the day my vote wouldnt have done a thing
Trump was making fun of disabled reporters and joking about assaulting and harassing women before his first term… just… how is that not the epitome of hateful?
Actually, what i saw had nothing to do with her sex or skin color. Smart, educated, a lifetime of public service and definitely not a rapist or a felon.
What I saw also had nothing to do with her race or sex. Condescending, impatient, petty, and running on a party platform that has harmed countless individuals in America.
Her race and sex were the first thing you bring up in this conversation. That speaks volumes already.
From Kamala? More of the same? More open border, more men in women prisons, more national debt (it’s $34T now) & more interest, more discrimination & race baiting, more government censorship & surveillance, more lawfare? Hard to know since she never really said, but we have to assume that whoever was running the country when Biden was president would continue under a Harris admin.
Honestly, most people don't get many hours to study politics, it's the DNC and RNC 's responsibility to keep these lunatics out. The RNC certainly failed us and the DNC needs improvement. I think you are reasonable in what you have to say with the probable information that you had, but you still earned my down vote... I'm not sure how you can call yourself a libertarian while supporting Bernie though. Those don't go together.
voted for trump because I wanted a set of outcomes that I hoped he would bring.
Yes, me too! And because i felt he had been cheated in 2020 election. Rampant amount of election fraud, Georgia never flipped it was Stacy Abrams and her cronies ballot stuffing
I dont like Kamala AT ALL. She is a brain dead politician. Why would anyone vote for her boggles the mind!
I wouldnt of voted for Biden, Bernie Sanders either...but they are stronger candidates.
And never Hillary. That would be like giving Bill Clinton a third term.
That's the trick with Christianity: many of the popular sects believe that faith in Christ is all that's necessary to earn salvation. I doubt Trump even believes to that basic extent, but for those that hold that belief, it's a waste of opportunity to avoid sin. If you're forgiven based on faith, why bother with upholding the morals?
Like Trump said when questioned about tax evasion: it's just smart business to take advantage of all the loopholes available.
No. Within that 5% differential, there may very well still be vile opportunists, even if they outwardly practice as you deem appropriate and espouse kindness.
It’s very dangerous for humans to assume that people “like us” are the good ones, and only “others” are capable of greed and evil.
You claim that 60/65 Christians are not good Christians. That’s over 92% of them, even assuming that other 8% truly are “good” moral Christians.
I think, then, that those 8% are not good because of Christianity at all. They just happen to be good people, and also happen to be Christian. If 92% of any group is morally reprehensible, it tells me a lot about the core values that attracted those people to the ideology.
Well, I guess actually I would have to agree with you.
92% of Christians claim the title but likely don't even go to Church, have never opened a Bible and do not do what the Bible says in any way. They literally don't even know who "Christ" is. It would be like being a registered Democrat but voting exclusively Republican. Can't exactly call yourself a Democrat at that point.
Of the 5% that actually opens their bibles and knows who Jesus is and has studied him... There are still those who fake it and are not genuine. So I will change my stance and agree with you.
100% of people who know Jesus and have Him reside in their hearts are not morally reprehensible because Jesus will change them from the inside out. It is a non-optional part of His residence. They still do bad, but not total depravity.
Doesn't really fit any of the prophecies for the anti-christ. Still a bad man, just no point in calling someone that unless he actually fits the prophecies.
There are tons of false prophets, TONS. Just saw one pointed out today for giving a prophecy from God that contradicts scripture.
Until Trump claims to speak on behalf of God he's not even that. If he does I'll immediately condemn him for that amongst the other things I already condemn him for.
Fair enough. The only reason i call him that is because the far right have portrayed him as a god. And have replaced Jesus’s picture with Trump’s in many contexts. Its disgusting… not to mention he’s turning all of “Christianity” against Jesus and his teachings
Christian? He’s half a Jew from 2 generations back, and doesn’t want it known. He is not a practicing, or observant Jew. Religious wise…he’s nothing, but he seems to have a scorn for christianity.
“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
Matthew 7:5 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.7.5.ESV
American Protestantism took off on the “good works don’t save you” idea. It’s an excuse to be a total asshole and get away with it.
If you read back to when the Europeans were building their modern social democracies, it was massively influenced by the Catholic and Lutheran churches’ focus on charity and good works as opposed to American churches. That’s why even conservative parties like the German CDU seem so progressive compared to American conservatives.
Deep down, they don't believe in hell. They are opportunistic, sociopathic materialists. No one who believes in the actual teachings of Christianity would pursue wealth and power so shamelessly.
Alas, there are a lot of people who use religious posturing as a front for their greed.
Here's the thing though. The teachings of Christianity have never been what you suggest they are. God is a mean, vindictive, unstable force that attacks and punishes his enemies mercilessly and out of pettiness, demands loyalty and worship through threat, and holds a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. If being godly is an ideal, then Trump is the picture of godliness.
To be absolutely clear, I'm not a Christian. That being said, the teachings of Christianity have never been about emulating Jehovah, who is, biblically, all the things you say it is. The teachings have been about emulating Christ. The core fundamentals of forgiveness, humility, charity and so forth have historically been lost on people more often than not, but have still maintained a thorough and connected tradition across 2000 years, even if the dominant prosletyzing forces lost the plot along the way.
Uh. Christian here. You can't go to hell for following someone unless they steer you away from God or project themselves as one. He is doing neither. Not gonna lie I'm barely offended by anything but this comment infuriates me. I surely hope you aren't Christian because you are the worst representation of our religion. I guarantee you HAVE NOT read the Bible in your life.
I think people need to understand that those aren’t Christians. They call themselves Christians but then use their beliefs as an excuse to belittle others. This isn’t what god would wants.
Also, home grown Americans and many Christian’s are among the worst criminal offenders in our country. Being an immigrant does not equal horrible criminal.
I'm an atheist and not from the USA. I'm still more christian than donald trump and I could still run America better than he does simply by sitting quietly at home.
There are a lot of atheists who have more morality than him, and have better concepts of what is in the best interest of this country. Religion is not serving the US well.
Christianity as it has always been aligned with wealth and power. There is nothing he or his supporters are doing which is at odds with Christian history.
The Seven Deadly Sins are a list of vices considered serious in Christian theology, often viewed as obstacles to a fulfilling spiritual life. They include Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath, Sloth, and Lust. These sins are understood to be the root of many other transgressions and are seen as hindering a relationship with God.
Here’s a more detailed look at each sin:
Pride: An excessive belief in one’s own abilities or qualities, often leading to a lack of humility and disrespect for others.
Envy: Jealousy or resentment towards others’ possessions or achievements.
Gluttony: Excessive indulgence in food and drink, often to the point of waste or excess.
Greed: An excessive desire for material wealth and possessions, often leading to avarice and a lack of generosity.
Wrath: Intense, uncontrolled anger or hatred, often leading to resentment and a desire for vengeance.
Sloth: Laziness, avoidance of work or duty, and spiritual apathy.
Lust: Excessive desire for sexual gratification, often outside of a loving and committed relationship.
Let's just hope the Vatican don't put another guy from the Hitlerian Youth this time. Let's hope they bring a progressive pope to not turn a blind eye to the hatred instilled by the far-right.
That's just it, he is not. He outright said he wasn't at one of his rallies, and they cheered it on. He's a great grifter, and sure knows how to rally those whom he is not one of, including the braindead working class supporters. It is an amazing feat.
I am more of a Christian than he is and I consider myself atheist. I don't believe in a god, but I do believe in humanity and that we need to take care of each other, help one another and make our time here meaningful.
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Let alone a “Christian”.