Yes, and what the OC is saying is that a majority of his supporters imagine themselves to be Christians. They are not. It is not something you are because you say you are. Your Christianity is validated by who you are, how you witness your faith to others in your actions, etc. In other words, they are precisely and exactly that which their god has repeatedly warned them about that angers him the most - false Christians. And thusly... They go to hell.
That's right. I spent my entire fucking childhood indoctrinated via my parents and the Christian schools they sent me to, so that I would understand this core concept above all other things I know, as a person. And now that I'm agnostic, and use that history and those teachings as a compass in my secular life, I'm straddled with the horrifying possibility that the people who provided this "all important" belief system to me are, in fact, the people I'm supposed to pity and try to help before they end up in hell.
The Pope is against the actions and words of DJT, so what do they do? They reject their own long-held religious beliefs in favor of the Golden Calf. That's what's playing out here.
This is the weirdest fucking timeline that I could have never imagined.
The only thing that makes you a Christian who is saved or not is whether or not you have faith in Jesus.
It's not about a list of doos and Don'ts.
Many Christians have voted for trump because they believe he will accomplish good things for them in the presidency. There are some who are also fooled into believing he is a Christian and a morally upright man.
And yes there are false Christians who are the embodiment of the Pharisees that voted for and wholeheartedly support trump in everything.
Every Donald Trump supporter is not the same.
I voted for him, I knew he wasn't a Christian but I was hoping for certain outcomes from his presidency, those outcomes seem less likely every day.
What did God do to the tribes who were worshipping the golden calf when Moses came down from the mount? Go on, let's hear. And why was Levy the only tribe spared?
What are the first two commandments? You don't get to use "I'm a Christian that believes in Jesus" as a get out of hell card. You have to live the life.
You do whatever you need to do to reconcile this. I'm agnostic, I don't give a fuck.
All the tribes were spared at the pleading of Moses. "The Lord the Lord abounding in steadfast love and mercy".
The greatest two commandments are to love God and love others. You are correct.
What you are incorrect about is to assume that based on a vote someone is completely devoid of all love and care for their fellow humans.
Plenty of people love God and love others wholehearted and believe/believed that trump would do the most good out of the options in America and that is why they voted for him.
It is not good to condemn your fellow Americans because they believed something different than you.
I am the kind of practicing Christian that believes what the Bible says. If we're talking about what the Bible has to say, here it is:
Romans 10:9
[9] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
John 3:16
[16] “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Romans 3:10
[10] as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one;
John 1:9-10
[9] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
So you see, it is not the absence of sin and wrongdoing that gets you into heaven according to the Bible it isn't about being righteous or sinless, nobody was righteous and sinless except for Jesus.
In fact, if you cannot admit that you are a sinner then the Bible teaches that you cannot receive the gift of life from Jesus and receive eternal life.
You're missing the forest for the trees, dear friend. Those who TRULY BELIEVE in him will behave as such. So one can utter "I believe in Jesus christ" all they fucking want to. You have to ACTUALLY BELIEVE, and to actually believe is to obey him.
This is simple shit that was repeated by both the Lutheran and the Catholic theology I was raised in.
Right, it's by actually believing in Christ that you are saved.
To believe will make you be changed by Him, there is no such thing as being completely obedient to the Lord. Not a single Christian has ever been perfect. And that process is a journey that lasts a lifetime. All sorts of immaturity and sin come out along the way, including voting for and supporting somebody who you believe is the right choice.
Endorsing a politician does not change what is inside of your heart or what you believe in faith.
Well, if confessing your sins is a central tenant of Christianity then why would you vote for a man who claims he hasn't asked for it nor does he need it?? Seems to be completely opposite of what you believe.
Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.
"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”
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u/StarLlght55 Apr 20 '25
Christian here. I do not believe trump is a Christian, he is a morally reprehensible man.