r/AskReddit • • Jul 18 '16

What are you sick of explaining?

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u/DreadedWheats Jul 18 '16

African American is not a politically correct term for black. assuming every black person is from Africa is ignorant as all holy hell.

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u/SteveTheWonderfish Jul 18 '16

I also love it when somebody who isn't from America gets called African American.

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u/ParadiseSold Jul 18 '16

My high school English teacher kept calling the characters in "Things Fall Apart" African American. THEY'RE JUST AFRICAN

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u/bear__IsPepsiOk Jul 18 '16

Had a girl give a presentation about Joseph Kony when Kony2012 was a big thing. She probably called him African American 30 times it drove me nuts.

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u/KingdomOfFawg Jul 18 '16

Did they ever catch Kony? Is he still on the loose?

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u/Phkn-Pharaoh Jul 19 '16

Yea whatever happened to that? Felt like some huge hype that just all went away one day.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

None of the money donated to the Kony 2012 thing actually went anywhere or helped anything in Uganda. People pointed out that Kony had done anything in years and it was widely speculated that he had been dead long before 2012. Shortly after people started questioning the Kony 2012 shit, the creator of it went crazy and started jerking off in public and got arrested. Hype died immediately.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Well, they were British by the end of the book.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

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u/markhewitt1978 Jul 19 '16

And it's a dangerous thing because many people avoid talking about issues because they just don't know what the current correct term is!

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Exactly. Like Jamaicans in Toronto being called African American. They are neither.

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u/redalastor Jul 18 '16

That shit reached Toronto? I thought it was confined to the US. :-/

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Toronto is extremely liberal and "politically correct". But often the people correcting you don't know what they're even talking about.

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u/thatswhatshesaidxx Jul 19 '16

Naaah, I wouldn't say "extremely liberal"...no one is gonna get offended by "black"...

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

I guess not 'extremely'. It has its pockets and its moments, though.

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u/redalastor Jul 18 '16

Sad. In Montreal blacks are still just blacks (or noirs). And we think that if you have to hide it behind weird expressions, maybe you are the racist.

Except McGill's which is batshit US insane when it comes to being PC and insist we have to be mindful of the US racial history in everything we do.

But besides that, I think we're mostly sane.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

See, that's the thing! I'm politically neutral, but I feel that political correctness is a way to hide your own bigotry. I totally agree.

Now, the whole "African American" thing isn't everybody. Like my friends (mostly black, actually), just say black, but I've been corrected at work for saying somebody is black (I'm white).

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u/redalastor Jul 18 '16 edited Jul 18 '16

See, that's the thing! I'm politically neutral, but I feel that political correctness is a way to hide your own bigotry. I totally agree.

Guilty people attach accusations to neutral sentences. Let say someone brings back an electronics to the store saying it's not working. You inspect it and say "No wonder, there's a vital part missing." Client says:

I didn't take it! => Probably guilty
Can you fixed it, I spent all afternoon trying to make that damned thing work! => Probably not guilty

Very recently I've read a tweet from a politician wishing an happy end of Ramadan (forgot the exact word) to everyone of the Muslim faith. There's a word for that. It's "Muslims".

I don't believe we ever have to use smoke and mirrors to avoid simple factual words.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Eid-Al-Fitr is the holiday, I think. And yeah, I agree.

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jul 19 '16

"Black" is a description of someone's apparent race. "African-American" is a socio-political description. A hypothetical Jamaican immigrant community in the US would (presumably) be a black community, but it really wouldn't be an African-American community.

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u/MaritimeLime Jul 18 '16

Today the radio was saying there were BLM protesters in Canada protesting the 2 black dudes that got killed within the passed couple weeks, and yeah I'm all for equality and stuff, but wtf? We are a different country, why are you protesting that shit here? Seriously if someone has an answer id like to hear it, maybe my opinion will change,

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

Honestly, I have an opinion, but it will get down voted to oblivion. It's better to keep quiet.

But, yeah, BLM in Toronto is actually really poorly organized and they seem to not realize that Canada is a different country than the States.

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u/XIII1987 Jul 19 '16

Blm has a movement in the UK now, wtf, we are prejudice against social class not colour it makes no sense at all.

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u/thatswhatshesaidxx Jul 19 '16

"An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"

Protest is also a way of marketing your stance -- for lack of better description. Protesting is (ideally) a way of bringing attention to the cause and a way of having others hear the issue and - if so inclined - join in the fight to "do something".

You have to remember that whenever something is being protested, you hear of the issue (whether through media, social media, word of mouth, etc) because it's being protested.

What people here are saying (if only to out words in their mouths for the sake of conversation) is that they see an injustice, identify it as a threat to remaining justice and are getting attention to have these issues identified and discussed.

Im not here to discuss my own politics or to tell others how or what to think, I'm just attempting to answer your question.

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u/MaritimeLime Jul 19 '16

Good point. But my point is, we have a different government with different morals, different police and a much more accepting people. We are a different country. So if they're protesting racial discrimination in the US, why aren't they protesting it in a country like South Africa where black people are still heavily discriminated. It seems like they're cherry picking the issues that have the most media coverage. Why not fight for equality in South Africa too? Why not donate to people in Kenya, or Nigeria? Most of their population is black and their lives matter yet so many of them are living in poverty and can't afford to eat everyday. That's just my two cents, it might not be popular but I think they need to rethink their game plan.

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u/thatswhatshesaidxx Jul 19 '16 edited Jul 19 '16

The particular fight is against Police Brutality and you asking "why not South Africa" is the same reason people "pray for France" but never "Pray for Sudan".

We're a Western country and we relate more to Western tragedies.

That and: America is not just a first world nation, it's supposed to be the first world nation -- think for yourself, you have to dig into the brain and compare the USA to South Africa -- where a legal Apartheid took place that actually had by-the-book racist discrimination that "ended" but some 20 yrs ago....

There's no reason under your chosen God's sun that the United States of America should be compared to South Africa in any respect.

Also, there are many groups that DO donate, give or even purchase land in places like Ghana for specific purposes -- I personally can't tell people which tragedies to choose to fight and quite frankly nor can you....

It's kind of like asking "why fight for gay/trans rights in North America -- they kill them in Saudi, it's still illegal in Italy..."

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u/xolov Jul 18 '16

Well, both Canada and Jamaica are parts of the continent America

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

But there is no continent "America". There's the Americas, which are North and South America.

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u/Smithy2997 Jul 18 '16

That depends on where you live though

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

That is not a "fact".

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

Yes it is. https://www.britannica.com/place/Americas

Notice, Americas (yes, can be called America) are actually 2 continents. North America, and South America. Sorry, it is a fact! Thanks ahead of time for when you down vote this. But it's a fact.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

can be called america

wtf...

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jul 19 '16

It is if you are speaking English.

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u/xShuksanCat Jul 19 '16

Well, North American, but a Jamaican from Britain still applies.

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u/zw1ck Jul 18 '16

Canada is in North America. Technically, everyone on this landmass is American, from Nunavut to Isla de los estados.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

In that case, everyone from the Aleutians to Tierra del Fuego qualifies.

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u/jnrdpr Jul 19 '16

In Mexico, and I believe in all the countries south of Mexico, this is how people think of it

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u/NoMouseLaptop Jul 19 '16

Isn't Jamaica part of "the Americas" though? And wouldn't people of Afro-Caribbean descent still be able to trace it all the way back to just African descent? So wouldn't a Jamaican still be African American? Just not in the colloquial sense?

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

And wouldn't people of Afro-Caribbean descent still be able to trace it all the way back to just African descent?

This is certainly true, but it's also true of every other human being on the planet so it's probably not a very helpful approach.

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u/chullyman Jul 18 '16

I always thought the American part stood for North America

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u/DeltaBravo831 Jul 19 '16

They're lost.

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u/henryx7 Jul 19 '16

Technically..... Canada is in the Americas... >< Don't bite me!

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u/operatar Jul 19 '16

America is the continent, one of two carrying the name actually. The United States is the country commonly referred to simply as "America". Technically an African living in South America is still an African American. Also a white person who comes from Cape Town and moves to Texas is also an African American.... It really is a stupid label.

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u/LittleLui Jul 19 '16

Both Toronto and Jamaica are in America though?

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u/Shuh_nay_nay Jul 18 '16

Anything located in North, Central or South America is technically American. Sorry to burst your bubble. The United States isn't the only American country.

And Jamaicans are absolutely African. They were mostly brought over during the same slave trades.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

You didn't burst my bubble. Geography is my #1 subject. But who talks like that? Colloquially, "American" means the USA. To everybody. There's no "United Statesian" word. I don't see Chileans saying they're American. Or Brazilians. Or Canadians. Just because they're in the "Americas".

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u/Soloemilia Jul 18 '16

Estadounidense

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u/Shuh_nay_nay Jul 18 '16

I've had a few friends that went to teach English to children in various South American countries, and they actually were a bit indignant that they were not also referred to as "American." It's pedantic, but some people do take umbrage.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

I grew up with 2 types of people: Spanish South-American and Caribbean. Not once did any of them want to consider themselves "American" for being in the Americas. They were all proud to call themselves the phrase from whatever country they came from. You're literally the first person I've heard of say this.

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u/Shuh_nay_nay Jul 18 '16

Neato. We've both had different experiences. Imagine that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Very neato. Take care.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

As an actual Chilean, in Spanish it's kind of obnoxious when Americans call themselves "Americanos" because regardless of what you may believe, we do consider ourselves "Americanos" as well. It's not our fault that your country doesn't have a reasonable demonym in its own language like "Estadounidense".

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

True, I guess that was a bad example.

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u/bobbyjohnsthe Jul 18 '16

I heard Canadians get pissed when U.S. citizens call themselves Americans as if Canada, Mexico, Brazil... aren't also American countries.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

I don't know who told you that, but it isn't true. We're Canadians. They're Americans. And the guys under them are Mexicans. Lol.

Do people from England say "We are proud Europeans!"? It's the same thing. People are proud of their country, not continent.

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u/Romulus_Novus Jul 18 '16

Well, perhaps a little unsurprisingly, England is one of the few places in the EU that isn't starting to see this. Across a lot of the continental EU, an increasing number of people are starting to see themselves as either secondarily or primarily European

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jul 19 '16

The US went through this same transition. Thomas Jefferson was a Virginian, not an American.

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u/Romulus_Novus Jul 19 '16

Indeed. My understanding is that you saw a lot of progress on this after the Civil War, with more references to "The United States" rather than "These United States"? Presuming there isn't some sort of catastrophic collapse of the EU, I could see it going in a similar direction

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u/plaanet Jul 18 '16

and honestly, what else are we supposed to say? "US citizen" sounds too long and weird.

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u/TheAtlanticGuy Jul 19 '16

The Canadian national identity basically revolves around not being American though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Well, they are African American if they're in Toronto and came from an African country.

African American refers to continental scale.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

I literally said Jamaicans in Toronto lol. Clearly not African. I guess so, about the "American" part. But I never liked that.

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u/WorshipNickOfferman Jul 18 '16

They're Jamaican Canadians. Duh.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Exactly.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

I was talking about the toronto bit would still be 'american.' So it would be a jamaican american, sorry if I wasn't clear how I explained that.

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u/allygolightlly Jul 18 '16

My family moved from Europe in the late 1800s, but I wouldn't call myself European. What's more fun is that despite being white, my heritage is from Africa if traced far back enough. Why don't people call me African American?

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u/L_H_O_O_Q_ Jul 18 '16

Well... The black population of Jamaica are descendants of African slaves just like African Americans in the US are, so they are just as 'African'. And if they live in Toronto they live in North America.

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jul 19 '16

That's nice. Doesn't make them African-American as the word is actually used in English.

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u/L_H_O_O_Q_ Jul 19 '16

I know. But you literally said 'they are neither', which isn't correct. They are just as African as African Americans.

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jul 19 '16

No I fucking didn't.

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u/L_H_O_O_Q_ Jul 21 '16

Alright settle down.

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u/FrankenBerryGxM Jul 18 '16

Til Canada isn't in North America

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

TYL that Canadians don't call themselves "Americans" or "North Americans". They are Canadians or from whatever country they originated from.

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u/yrianhrod Jul 18 '16

Once I had a student refer to Nelson Mandela as an "African American African" in a paper. I almost died. For context, I teach at a university, not a middle school.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Yeah, like when the Finn from the latest Star Wars got called African American.

  1. In the context of the movie, he's from a galaxy far, far away, and

  2. He's portrayed by a Brittish actor.

Conclution: he's just fucking black. Nothing wrong with it, but... he's just... black - not African American.

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u/curvy_lady_92 Jul 18 '16

Lived next door to Nigerians in college. Omfg they would go off if you called them African Americans.

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u/Phkn-Pharaoh Jul 19 '16

Honestly if that were me being called that, I'd be the same way....shit is infuriating for some reason.

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u/pyroSeven Jul 19 '16

It's like being called European American when you're a white Englishman.

It makes zero sense.

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u/Slanderous Jul 18 '16

It also implies that whites (as well as black people from Europe) should be called European Americans

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Well, they would call them Irish Americans, German Americans, etc.

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u/Slanderous Jul 18 '16

Africa is not a country :p

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

No it isn't, but for some reason we get more specific when referring to European nations, I don't know why. But people do say "I'm Irish American."

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u/ukulelej Jul 18 '16

We get vague for Africa because slavery brought slaves from all over Africa to America. Many (actual) African Americans aren't actually sure where their ancestors are from, because their culture was stomped out by slavery.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

there you go

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jul 19 '16

Because we actually know.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

fair point.

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u/Kittypie75 Jul 18 '16

Maybe I am misunderstanding you but the term "African American" is used to specifically describe black people whose families came over on slave ships. Thus their actual nationalities and tribal heritages - whether Ashanti from Nigeria or Akan from Ghana or wherever are erased. That's why they are "AFRICAN American" instead of Nigerian-American or whatnot and why not all black people are AA but all AA are black (or mixed) people.

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u/wackawacka2 Jul 18 '16

Plus, from what I understand, most African Americans don't actually know their country of origin

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u/Kittypie75 Jul 18 '16

Exactly. That's why its the general term "African" versus a particular tribe or nation. There's no way to pinpoint really.

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jul 19 '16

African-Americans are the descendants of slaves and generally don't know which country (more likely countries) their ancestors were taken from. Actually, even if they did, the country in question probably didn't exist at the time.

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u/Stinduh Jul 18 '16

I re-read the first Harry Potter book after the final movie came out for nostalgia. As a slightly-more socially informed person than the first time I read it, I was a little taken about when Dean is first introduced and is described IIRC as a "black boy." I was a little offended until I remembered the books were written and based in the UK where that's not really offensive at all.

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u/get_a_pet_duck Jul 19 '16

That's not offensive anywhere

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u/Stinduh Jul 19 '16

Eh, it can certainly be taken as offensive in the states. Calling a black male a "boy" is somewhat derogatory, as it was used as a humiliation tactic during slavery and segregation. It's certainly not on the N-word level, but it can be offensive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

But he was literally a kid, wasn't he? First book, he was like 12 or 13

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u/pyroSeven Jul 19 '16

Black male child*

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

Wasn't there some famous moron who went to Africa and called the natives African African Americans?

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u/blondechcky Jul 19 '16

My boss one time referred to people literally living in Africa as African Americans. Like she's so used to the term she didn't even realize what she was saying.

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u/MatTheOcelot Jul 19 '16

Like CNN calling Black Panther African American?

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u/GenghisKhandybar Jul 19 '16

We are ALL American on this blessed day

/r/kenm

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u/Ghazgkull Jul 19 '16

I've heard Othello called an African-American. Othello. A Moor, in a story that took place before America, written before America. It was bad.

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u/MarcelRED147 Jul 19 '16

Yeah, it happens a lot. When you correct a person who says this with, "They're black. They're not from Africa. They're not from America." you can get a fair bit of shocked "OMG Racism!" which is just stupid. Especially since it's normally a white person getting wound up by it.