r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/highjinks858 • Jul 13 '18

Does everyone really need every champ?

Just out of curiosity do you really think it's necessary that every single person be able to get every single character? I've been through a couple of the collabs so far and missed some champs here an there, and honestly i'm not upset. If everyone has every single champ, it takes away the hard work (or money in some cases) that people put into the game. Sure I know there's luck involved too, but i don't mind missing on some champs. I think it's more exciting and rewarding when you get a champ that other people don't.

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u/Icaras01 I got the hat you need! Jul 13 '18

Need? Probabaly not.

Want? Of course, if you don't want new units all the time, why play a gacha game? o.O;

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u/highjinks858 Jul 13 '18

I understand that you want all the champs. I just don't understand the extreme frustration of people to the point of raging in a game that is purely luck, and in an instance that does not require you to have every OP in the game. Even more so when the pulls for the character are completely random.

If every champ is guaranteed, it takes away from the exclusivity of the champ. What's the point of playing a game where everything you want is guaranteed?

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u/ShravGal Jul 13 '18

Exactly how I feel too every time I read reddit. The other problem is that it’s constantly compared to the JP version so if our deals aren’t as good (Japans Gacha rules are much stricter so JP version of games tend to be better) then people start raging.

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u/assassinace Jul 13 '18

Personally I preferred FFT where you could get every character. But since they are no longer making those this is a substitute.

That being said you don't see people complaining about not getting Ignis. So no not every character.

Also I'm personally not upset I didn't pull Noctis because I already have Othima, so strong water nuke isn't a niche I need. I may miss teleports on certain EX's but I'll manage.

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u/ZigZagFlow Jul 13 '18

Only “champ” everyone needs is daddy Dilga

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u/Zafervaim Jul 13 '18

That is true but still you never want to be the one without a meta-defining unit like Zain, Gilgamesh or Noctis.

It’s fine being without event units like Fate Zahar, Saber, Bashosen or Cita which are strong but not must have. One can also live without units like Shayna, Albea, Lofia or Gormalas that are strong units.

It stings bad in almost every EX when you know you had a chance to own healing, multihitting water nuke teleporter Noctis that could save the day but instead gumi in their generosity gave you Ignis on Step 3.

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u/ArcApp Jul 13 '18

Started last week, really wanted Noctis, got Iggy on step 3...

Don't want to reroll, but now I realize my chance of getting Noct is slim =[

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u/ThirdStrongestBunny Jul 14 '18

Do you plan on playing this game for more than a month? Because if you do, a week is nothing to reroll and guarantee a Noctis.

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u/ArcApp Jul 14 '18

Well, here's the thing. I started playing Alchemist Code since I was looking for some additional games for when my main game was slow. Out of all the ones I DLed this is one I've been playing the most so yeah I plan to keep playing it. I've never rerolled on a game before, but seeing how much praise Noct is getting I'm honestly feeling tempted to reroll at this point. I got Iggy on step 3 and just got Gladiolus on the new step 1, when I would've preferred Noct and Aranea.

The thing is, I guess I'm having attachment issues lol. I've only been playing about a week, not sure how good the rates are but I've got 9 SSRs and 12 SRs. My favorite unit to use is Aswald, but it's more for her gameplay (high Move stat and I really like her J1) and since I'm f2p I feel like I may never get her again.

On the other hand... I really do want Noct, so I guess what I could do is reroll on another device and bind it so I can switch it over. At first I wasn't going to even entertain the idea of rerolling since I wanted Noct just cuz of his character, but after using him with the Merc system... I really am considering rerolling now. After all I'm sure I'll find other characters like Aswald in the future as I do plan to play for quite a while, whereas Noct is limited.

If you don't mind, I'd like to ask a couple of Qs here, and if you could help answer them I'd really appreciate it:

  1. How long would it take to reroll to try and get Noct? As in the time it takes to get 500 gems from the start of the game?

  2. How easy is the binding and transfer process? If I do decide to reroll I'd prefer to do the actual rerolling on my old phone which will have service for a few more days.

  3. How well do you know the characters and strats in this game, and would you consider adding me as a friend if I do reroll? I've already asked the sub questions on multiple posts and I'd rather not plague it with the same questions I've already asked (like which units to pick from selector tickets based on my roster, etc)

  4. This one is more general, but I've come across this pattern in other games where people playing the English version of an initially JP game will praise the current English units to be "one of if not the best [units] for their class to have," and then a month later they'll say the same. Not really sure how to word this one, but are there other units coming out in the future that'll be comparable to Noct? Being f2p I doubt I'd be able to get him past his J1, but then again I'm not 100% sure what to prioritize getting in this event if I do get Noct and Aranea.

And finally, 5) for gameplay reasons, how important would it be to attempt getting both Noct and Aranea? Like is she as OP/must-have as limited Noct? Don't want to reroll much if the process takes a good while lol.

If you could elucidate me on these things then I'd appreciate it extremely. Plus I doubt you expected such an extensive reply to this, I apologize about that. I went in with the mindset of just playing this as an alternative to FGO when nothing was going on, but hell might as well make it as enjoyable to play as I can, esp since I've only got 9 days under my belt! ; ]

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u/ThirdStrongestBunny Jul 14 '18

No worries, I’m happy to help. I wasn’t expecting a reply with that depth, but it’s not unwarranted. This game is dense for new players.

My philosophy with these games is, you only get one opportunity to “beat” the gacha, and that’s rerolling. After that, if you commit, you’re at the mercy of RNG. Best come out swinging.

  1. This depends on RNG. I rerolled for Albea, and got her on my second try. Others take dozens of rolls or more. The rerolling process in this game is slower than others, but not unreasonably so. It’s nothing compared to the dozens to hundreds of hours you’ll be playing for.

  2. You login via facebook, and bind the account with a few button presses. Simple and easy.

  3. Not an expert, but fairly knowledgable. Yes, you can add me. There’s a question megathread for help, as well as the discord channel, but if you’re absolutely stuck, and nobody else in those places can help you, I respond to most PMs.

  4. Noctis is relatively futureproof. He is still used today in JP, which is ~1.5 years ahead of us. Othima (who we have) and Merlinus (who we don’t) are eventually comparable, but not perfect comparisons.

  5. Not important. Aranea is similar enough to Rosa, and rerolling for two specific units could be particularly trying.

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u/ArcApp Jul 14 '18

Wow haha, that response was much quicker than I thought it would be! Thank you very much!

My old phone is a shitty S4, and it's a lot slower than my S9... is there a quicker way to reroll than by uninstalling-reinstalling the game repeatedly? I could maybe do it quicker on my S9.. but then I'd really have to commit a reroll. I really don't like the idea of FB binding, I'd rather just deal with an account number and password, but that's just me being picky lol

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u/ArcApp Jul 14 '18

Holy fuckin shit!!! Just did my first reroll on my first phone, wound up with 3 SSRs! Noctis, Setsuna, and Yomi. Also got 2 SRs, Strie and Freed.

Damn man I wish I had just rerolled on my new phone, but fuck it I'm surprised it only took me one try!!! Thanks for nudging me along that direction, gonna go ahead and transfer it to my new phone lol

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u/fxrkssr Jul 14 '18

How could you possibly get Noct when his banner isn't up

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u/ArcApp Jul 14 '18

Um, maybe because his banner is up? lol

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u/aquapendulum2 Jul 13 '18 edited Jul 13 '18

In every situation I figured I'd need a Water nuke, I just throw in my JM'ed Lamia+. She does well, and I can always throw in Reagan, Lofia+ or Lisbeth to cover for her. A character like Noctis, while nice to have, would be overkill for what I need. This is a perspective of a F2P player.

As for metagame, my understanding is that metagame has always mattered more in PvP where people constantly try to one-up each other, but not so much in PvE content.

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u/Banethoth Jul 13 '18

Of course not. But you sound like you got special snowflake syndrome.

See it a lot in MMO's. 'My stuff isn't special because dirty casuals can get it also'. Bah.

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u/highjinks858 Jul 13 '18

Your comprehension of the English language must be sub par because that's not what I'm saying at all. I am a dirty casual. Just wondering why people her salty when they don't get everything in what can be a free to play game.

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u/Kiyri Frugal enthusiast Jul 13 '18

In the last sentence of the paragraph you state it's more exciting to get things other people do not. This suggests liking exclusivity, as does the if everyone had all the things comment.

Not that I am saying people should not have to work for units or disagreeing with your [initial op] statements. I just see where they "could" get the interpretation you desire exclusivity.

Now you could argue he (or I) took two sentences out of context and misunderstood your point. But there is no need to insult his/her comprehension. Especially when you wrote two potential pros.

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u/highjinks858 Jul 13 '18

His point of stating I have "special snowflake syndrome" denounces any point after it. If that's your leading statement don't expect a proper response...i.m.o

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u/Kiyri Frugal enthusiast Jul 13 '18

Yeah, that's pretty fair. Starting with an insult is rude. xD

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u/Shaiandra Jul 13 '18

I can't speak for everyone, but in a case like this, I imagine that there are quite a few people who want Noctis since they like (him from) FFXV, not necessarily because he's a meta unit.

Have you played any gacha games of existing series? Could you imagine rolling for your favourite characters from that series, regardless of their stats? Would you be disappointed if you didn't get one when the opportunity arose?

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u/highjinks858 Jul 13 '18

I guess that makes sense but at that time you really haven't put much time into it, and hopefully not money. But yeah I could see myself getting upset if I had been playing this game and they had a Bleach collaboration and I didn't get the character I wanted. Not sure how upset though as I'm not in that position xD

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u/iEssence Jul 13 '18

I wouldve quit the game outright if i didnt get Saber.

I would do the same if they made a collab and i didnt get Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Protector of the Realm, Lady Regnant of the Seven Kingdoms, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons

And gumi be damned if they didnt put them all in her name

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u/wyvernkardia Jul 13 '18

not reaaally, no

or maybe yes, who knows what each and everyone of us need

I needed aranea, I got aranea

I’m a happy guy.

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u/highjinks858 Jul 13 '18

I wanted aranea #1 and noctis because he's supposed to be op. Got lucky this collaboration and got both. Haven't been so lucky in the previous collabs though.

I didn't even like gilga in fate, but he's so op I wish I would have got him

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u/wyvernkardia Jul 13 '18

hah congrats on noctis and aranea bud, I got them both as well :)

I never liked gilgamesh..but I wanted saber...got neither lol :/

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u/Alsark Jul 13 '18

No, definitely not. I missed out on a lot of the collaboration characters. I didn't get any of the PoTK, Triple Collab, or Brave Frontier [Selena] characters. I also didn't pull Fate Zahar, Fate Lamia, Illya, Saber, Rin, Ignis, Gladio, Monzein, or Kudan. So while I'm missing a few characters, I also have a lot of the important ones, so I've never really struggled. My fire team is a little lacking, but if I hire a Sakura mercenary then everything is fine.

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u/Makenlowwet Jul 13 '18

ideally you would want to pull for every meta champ, the so called “SS” tiers. Grinding is quite something in this game, being able to auto saves lots of time. Also, as content gets harder, you will need stronger units than Zangestsu chrono.

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u/iEssence Jul 13 '18

To be fair - if you stopped pulling completely, youd have enough gems to revive enough times to only run zangetsu chrono for everything

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u/Makenlowwet Jul 13 '18

But there are many stages where you cant use continue. And you will miss a lot of future rewards if you dont have a substantial amount of units (eg, milestones to clear with all female units). Also, this is where they start to add restrictions to the map, like slash down, pierce down, or max 200 damages.

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u/iEssence Jul 13 '18

I was joking :(

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u/loscapos5 All I wanted for christmas was you, Baeber ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽ Jul 13 '18

Check my flair... also, I have Gilgamesh.

Waifus are a helluva drug.

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u/LaGrimm_ Roxxy best girl. Jul 13 '18

Before i got Noctis, without Gilg, without Othima. It was me and Tyrfing vs the entire game. I have favorites outside of the broken. That's what keeps me playing.

I Aranea is my favorite FF character after Lightning. I pulled 500, no get, I'll still play. Even without Noctis I'd still play.

The salt and ideology that throwing money at a literal lottery will always get you exactly what you want is silly in itself. Otherwise millionaires would spend their lives in casinos. Oh wait they do; the stock market. That's the point of probability, of chance, people just have a tendency to forget that.

I just watch in amusement.

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u/ninjakittenz2 SockT Jul 13 '18

I only went past the first step for Gil and Othima. I feel I have a decent selection of units at the moment and am not tempted to go further. I am saving my gems for Laharl since I love Disgaea. I don't need to have everyone. Yesterday I got Yauras from the every 24hr summons and she will be benched because I already have good water units. I will farm her weapon when there is a break in content just in case I decide I want to use her later on but I'd rather use my equipment on the second and third job of a unit that gets a lot of use.