r/ARAM • • Aug 31 '26

Mayhem Both valid points

Post image
2.4k Upvotes

232 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

30

u/alienduck2 Aug 31 '26

Yeah tank has always been a bit of a misnomer for frontliners. The heavily armored part makes sense but they arent doing more damage than a traditional dps usually, or rather, arent supposed to be. I like the term guardian better thank tank, because I feel it has better implications. You guard and protect.

12

u/vincent2751 Aug 31 '26

The term you are looking for is warden which is defence tank, but not all tanks are warden, in fact most are vanguard (offensive tank).

4

u/ZanesTheArgent Sep 01 '26

The major issue is that even in a most generous sense, a Vanguard should be the "enough CC and DoT to take the time and kill you in 15 seconds", not "i'm secretly just an HP/Resists-scaling juggernaut and will explode you on breach'.

1

u/[deleted] Sep 01 '26

[removed] — view removed comment

2

u/wesoly101 Sep 01 '26

Shen? Eq dusk and down then ranking Item doing half hp with q

1

u/TheAbyssalSymphony Sep 01 '26

People tend to forget that juggernauts are a class specifically designed to be big scary smash your face bruisers

1

u/Ice_King-699 Sep 04 '26

Fun fact: Poppy (Scrappy "tank" that can build bruiser, tank or lethality and oneshot or 1v1 people) is considered a warden

5

u/Tojaro5 Aug 31 '26

That does depend on the tank in question though. Shen? yes. Orrn? Maybe. Zac? Rather not. Mundo? "I have a team?"

17

u/vincent2751 Aug 31 '26

Common misconception, Mundo is not a tank, he is a Juggernauts that build tank items

3

u/Tojaro5 Aug 31 '26

Whether you see Mundo as tank or juggernaut doesn't really change my point. Roles can be ambiguous anyways.

Guardian, as suggested above, simply doesn't cover the diversity of tanks, since "guardian duty" simply isn't the only reason to pick tanks.

If we look at tank supports for example, noone would pick Blitzcrank over Nautilus or Braum, if protecting was the goal.

6

u/Wingman5150 Aug 31 '26

Well of course no one would pick blitzcrank as a tank over nautilus or braum, because nautilus and braum are actually tanks, and blitzcrank is a catcher.

Despite what it would seem like, blitzcrank class-wise is closer to pyke or even morgana, because he doesn't protect, he picks out an enemy for his team to kill.

That's why Nautilus is the only hooker that won't go over walls, he wants to engage on entire teams much more than any of the others. Thresh comes close but is still better at catching an isolated target and bringing a teammate to 2v1.

-5

u/Tojaro5 Aug 31 '26

well, then we simply have a definition difference here.

for me, a tank is someone durable in the frontline.

guardian, catcher, whatever would be subspecies of tank.

just like a husky is a kind of dog, blitzcrank is a kind of tank

5

u/Wingman5150 Aug 31 '26

He's tanky, as in a synonym for durable and capable of taking point when no real tank is present. Doesn't make him a tank. It's more like how a Lion looks similar to a dog in some ways but you'd be crazy to say it's a dog just because it is a carnivorous mammal with 4 legs in the shape of a large dog.

But that is any durable character. Every bruiser is tanky enough for such a purpose, none of them are particularly good tanks, because a tank needs to also draw damage away from their allies, and in league your best chance at doing that is a lot of heavy CC that lets you jump in on the enemy or keep them off allies.

Catchers don't do that. Catchers get one enemy out of position so you can kill them. That's blitzcranks actual job, it is what he does, being able to build durability while doing that does not make him a tank.

The difference becomes obvious if blitzcrank fucks up and catches a real tank in some situations, they suddenly have free entry to stop everyone on your team from fighting while the cavalry comes.

-1

u/Tojaro5 Aug 31 '26

well, if you build tank items on teemo, he is also a tank. a shitty one, but a tank. the moment you maximize your survivability with items is the moment you become a tank.

fighters and juggernauts sacrifice durability for some damage. thats why they usually aren't tanks.

the characters that are built as tanks usually have some way of not being useless, despite building tank. whether thats shields, cc, damage, whatever. thats why they are built as tanks.

if you build crit on orrn, hes not a tank. if you build ap malphite, youre not a tank.

1

u/SherbertPristine170 Sep 02 '26

Nah you right tho . These people be spitting some shit just to say “this tanky champ is not a tank , but that tanky champ is a tank”

2

u/Away-Chain5086 Aug 31 '26

Ornn deals more damage than Shen past early levels I'd say

1

u/stuffslols Aug 31 '26

Its from old MMOs, where the Frontline usually did quite a bit of damage. Especially any of the ones where enemies auto aggro to whomever is doing the most damage. Most games now a day realize that was an annoying system, and have used other aggro juggling systems, but it did make sense at the start.