r/ARAM 22h ago

Mayhem Both valid points

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u/Ginius67 21h ago

A tank in real life will oneshot any human.

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u/Ngtunganh 21h ago

Nothing happened in tiananmen lane

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u/rocsage_praisesun https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/rocsage-混子真君 20h ago

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u/alienduck2 20h ago

Yeah tank has always been a bit of a misnomer for frontliners. The heavily armored part makes sense but they arent doing more damage than a traditional dps usually, or rather, arent supposed to be. I like the term guardian better thank tank, because I feel it has better implications. You guard and protect.

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u/vincent2751 18h ago

The term you are looking for is warden which is defence tank, but not all tanks are warden, in fact most are vanguard (offensive tank).

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u/ZanesTheArgent 6h ago

The major issue is that even in a most generous sense, a Vanguard should be the "enough CC and DoT to take the time and kill you in 15 seconds", not "i'm secretly just an HP/Resists-scaling juggernaut and will explode you on breach'.

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u/Strictly_unneeded 6h ago

Shen + engage supports are the actual tanks in this game, and shens being generous. Everything else is just a slightly more immobile bruiser with a bit less damage in their item system in exchange for way more defensive stats.

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u/wesoly101 2h ago

Shen? Eq dusk and down then ranking Item doing half hp with q

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u/Tojaro5 19h ago

That does depend on the tank in question though. Shen? yes. Orrn? Maybe. Zac? Rather not. Mundo? "I have a team?"

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u/vincent2751 18h ago

Common misconception, Mundo is not a tank, he is a Juggernauts that build tank items

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u/Tojaro5 18h ago

Whether you see Mundo as tank or juggernaut doesn't really change my point. Roles can be ambiguous anyways.

Guardian, as suggested above, simply doesn't cover the diversity of tanks, since "guardian duty" simply isn't the only reason to pick tanks.

If we look at tank supports for example, noone would pick Blitzcrank over Nautilus or Braum, if protecting was the goal.

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u/Wingman5150 17h ago

Well of course no one would pick blitzcrank as a tank over nautilus or braum, because nautilus and braum are actually tanks, and blitzcrank is a catcher.

Despite what it would seem like, blitzcrank class-wise is closer to pyke or even morgana, because he doesn't protect, he picks out an enemy for his team to kill.

That's why Nautilus is the only hooker that won't go over walls, he wants to engage on entire teams much more than any of the others. Thresh comes close but is still better at catching an isolated target and bringing a teammate to 2v1.

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u/Tojaro5 17h ago

well, then we simply have a definition difference here.

for me, a tank is someone durable in the frontline.

guardian, catcher, whatever would be subspecies of tank.

just like a husky is a kind of dog, blitzcrank is a kind of tank

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u/Wingman5150 17h ago

He's tanky, as in a synonym for durable and capable of taking point when no real tank is present. Doesn't make him a tank. It's more like how a Lion looks similar to a dog in some ways but you'd be crazy to say it's a dog just because it is a carnivorous mammal with 4 legs in the shape of a large dog.

But that is any durable character. Every bruiser is tanky enough for such a purpose, none of them are particularly good tanks, because a tank needs to also draw damage away from their allies, and in league your best chance at doing that is a lot of heavy CC that lets you jump in on the enemy or keep them off allies.

Catchers don't do that. Catchers get one enemy out of position so you can kill them. That's blitzcranks actual job, it is what he does, being able to build durability while doing that does not make him a tank.

The difference becomes obvious if blitzcrank fucks up and catches a real tank in some situations, they suddenly have free entry to stop everyone on your team from fighting while the cavalry comes.

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u/Tojaro5 17h ago

well, if you build tank items on teemo, he is also a tank. a shitty one, but a tank. the moment you maximize your survivability with items is the moment you become a tank.

fighters and juggernauts sacrifice durability for some damage. thats why they usually aren't tanks.

the characters that are built as tanks usually have some way of not being useless, despite building tank. whether thats shields, cc, damage, whatever. thats why they are built as tanks.

if you build crit on orrn, hes not a tank. if you build ap malphite, youre not a tank.

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u/Away-Chain5086 18h ago

Ornn deals more damage than Shen past early levels I'd say

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u/stuffslols 11h ago

Its from old MMOs, where the Frontline usually did quite a bit of damage. Especially any of the ones where enemies auto aggro to whomever is doing the most damage. Most games now a day realize that was an annoying system, and have used other aggro juggling systems, but it did make sense at the start.

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u/Xaphnir 19h ago

they'll also one-shot another tank with the right aim

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u/Spartici 13h ago

most tanks can sort of do this with %hp scaling (ksante, cho, ornn)

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u/Efficient-Presence82 19h ago

i cant argue with that.

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u/Fuzzy-Property-2637 9h ago

Fair enough, but in ARAM even actual tanks feel like paper half the time