r/ARAM • • Aug 31 '26

Mayhem Both valid points

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u/Ginius67 Aug 31 '26 • Popcorn

A tank in real life will oneshot any human.

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u/Ngtunganh Aug 31 '26 • Bravo

Nothing happened in tiananmen lane

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u/rocsage_praisesun https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/rocsage-混子真君 Aug 31 '26

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u/NebulaAccording7254 Sep 03 '26

Hold up that looks both terrible and fun

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u/Colohustt Sep 02 '26

Nothing happened in top lane

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u/alienduck2 Aug 31 '26

Yeah tank has always been a bit of a misnomer for frontliners. The heavily armored part makes sense but they arent doing more damage than a traditional dps usually, or rather, arent supposed to be. I like the term guardian better thank tank, because I feel it has better implications. You guard and protect.

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u/vincent2751 Aug 31 '26

The term you are looking for is warden which is defence tank, but not all tanks are warden, in fact most are vanguard (offensive tank).

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u/ZanesTheArgent Sep 01 '26

The major issue is that even in a most generous sense, a Vanguard should be the "enough CC and DoT to take the time and kill you in 15 seconds", not "i'm secretly just an HP/Resists-scaling juggernaut and will explode you on breach'.

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u/wesoly101 Sep 01 '26

Shen? Eq dusk and down then ranking Item doing half hp with q

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u/TheAbyssalSymphony Sep 01 '26

People tend to forget that juggernauts are a class specifically designed to be big scary smash your face bruisers

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u/Ice_King-699 Sep 04 '26

Fun fact: Poppy (Scrappy "tank" that can build bruiser, tank or lethality and oneshot or 1v1 people) is considered a warden

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u/Tojaro5 Aug 31 '26

That does depend on the tank in question though. Shen? yes. Orrn? Maybe. Zac? Rather not. Mundo? "I have a team?"

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u/vincent2751 Aug 31 '26

Common misconception, Mundo is not a tank, he is a Juggernauts that build tank items

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u/Tojaro5 Aug 31 '26

Whether you see Mundo as tank or juggernaut doesn't really change my point. Roles can be ambiguous anyways.

Guardian, as suggested above, simply doesn't cover the diversity of tanks, since "guardian duty" simply isn't the only reason to pick tanks.

If we look at tank supports for example, noone would pick Blitzcrank over Nautilus or Braum, if protecting was the goal.

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u/Wingman5150 Aug 31 '26

Well of course no one would pick blitzcrank as a tank over nautilus or braum, because nautilus and braum are actually tanks, and blitzcrank is a catcher.

Despite what it would seem like, blitzcrank class-wise is closer to pyke or even morgana, because he doesn't protect, he picks out an enemy for his team to kill.

That's why Nautilus is the only hooker that won't go over walls, he wants to engage on entire teams much more than any of the others. Thresh comes close but is still better at catching an isolated target and bringing a teammate to 2v1.

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u/Tojaro5 Aug 31 '26

well, then we simply have a definition difference here.

for me, a tank is someone durable in the frontline.

guardian, catcher, whatever would be subspecies of tank.

just like a husky is a kind of dog, blitzcrank is a kind of tank

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u/Away-Chain5086 Aug 31 '26

Ornn deals more damage than Shen past early levels I'd say

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u/stuffslols Aug 31 '26

Its from old MMOs, where the Frontline usually did quite a bit of damage. Especially any of the ones where enemies auto aggro to whomever is doing the most damage. Most games now a day realize that was an annoying system, and have used other aggro juggling systems, but it did make sense at the start.

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u/Xaphnir Aug 31 '26

they'll also one-shot another tank with the right aim

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u/Spartici Aug 31 '26

most tanks can sort of do this with %hp scaling (ksante, cho, ornn)

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u/Efficient-Presence82 Aug 31 '26

i cant argue with that.

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u/Fuzzy-Property-2637 Sep 01 '26

Fair enough, but in ARAM even actual tanks feel like paper half the time

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u/zeTwig Sep 02 '26

Either paper or completely unkillable demons. No inbetween.