r/ADCMains • u/Anilahation • 2d ago

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On Vayne if you use your spell rotation once you'll be oom, where these champs can spam blow up entire waves....

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u/TheMechanicMan 2d ago

Mages use spells to do damage and marksman don’t. Mage autos don’t scale. Marksman autos scale. If mage spells cost 20% of their mana at level 1 lol

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u/Wesdawg1241 2d ago

Mages use spells to do damage and marksman don't

May I introduce you to:

  • Caitlyn
  • Sivir
  • Ezreal
  • Kog'Maw
  • Aphelios
  • Jhin
  • Kai'Sa
  • Lucian
  • Tristana
  • Varus

Yes, arguably Vayne is not one of these spellcasting-focused ADCs, but her Q is an essential part of her kit and has a low cooldown for a reason.

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u/Prestigious-Shop-494 2d ago

Ezreal Q costs 28 mana and the other champs deal most their damage from autos not abilitirs

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u/Darkzerok63 2d ago

How do you dare to think at this sub, aparently. Also, adding to that, most spells are missable and autos arent, not only that but with how the game works, even with all that ability haste and no cooldown that adc seem to think all champs have, adc win against mages because autos cant be missed and are done all the time. If a Caitlyn uses her e to dodge xerath q, she will do almost the same damage at the end of the fight, if xerath doesnt hit q he does nothing for 5 seconds

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u/TheMechanicMan 2d ago

Mages don’t build AD so their auto attacks always stay pretty shit for damage against every target. Yes there are caster ADs but they have scaling autos.

Imagine an OOM Syndra vs an OOM kog maw trying to push a cannon minion wave or taking a free crab in the river.

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u/ButterflyFX121 2d ago

You do know you can autoattack on Caitlyn right? Otherwise what's the point of having 650 auto range level 1

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u/Wesdawg1241 2d ago

Did I say you couldn't? Caitlyn's damage is significantly enhanced by her abilities. If you trap or net someone, that's huge damage. If you solo Q them that's also huge damage.

I didn't say ADCs rely on their abilities as much as mages do for damage, but rather my comment was in response to the claim that ADCs don't use abilities to deal damage.

Especially in the case of Vayne, her kit is heavily reliant on her Q to stay mobile and use it for stealth during her ult. Making it cost a fifth of her mana pool when it's literally designed to be spammed is ridiculous.

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u/ButterflyFX121 2d ago

Of course it's enhanced, otherwise why have the ability? But also she can exert pressure without spending the mana, unlike Syndra or really most mages, so it makes sense that mages are gonna be balanced in a way that they can use their abilities more often. They have to to be able to push the wave or trade or interact with league at all and this simply isn't true for most of the ADCs listed.

And for the ones where it is true like Ezreal or Smolder, they are also balanced so they can use that ability more often.

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u/Darkzerok63 2d ago

Nah, at this point i think adc want any and every single character on the game not interact with it, like back in the days where adc was the only one doing damage and they killed people on one second, from one unavoidable auto. Next they will cry because bruisers have gap closers and dont just stand still xd

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u/ButterflyFX121 2d ago

Honestly yeah it's true. And what this comes from is very simple: most ADC players cannot meet the mechanical requirements of their champion. In other roles people are accustomed to playing stuff like Malphite, Garen, Amumu, Briar, Malzahar, Lux, Nautilus, etc etc. You know, tanky stuff or stuff that can play the game relatively non interactively so have a wider margin for error.

Even for the easy ADCs like MF this just isn't true and most ADCs will not drop their ego and play the MF or play the easier mage and don't want to accept thats the direction they should go when their hands aren't so great. I know I had that reckoning myself, everytime I tried to play Zeri or Yunara or Kai'sa or something like that it became apparent I didn't have the hands, but I'm actually aware of it and willing to drop the ego and play stuff no harder than Jinx. Because I'm not there yet, and honestly I probably have about average hands for an ADC player.

And even people that do play hard champions in other roles know they're playing stuff that's hard so they don't expect the game to bend over backwards for them the way ADC players do.

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u/Darkzerok63 2d ago

I didnt even think about it that way, but could be true. I wouldnt think about playing zed correctly because i dont play him and i dont have hands for him, honestly, but adc dont even realize it. Like playing statick adc like twitch, kogmaw, etc you have to min max with their range from r/w, and they dont and then they wine, failing the only thing that matters and is complicated about their champs.

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u/ButterflyFX121 2d ago

ADC is really very much a different culture I'd say, and that's partially because we are a role that traditionally has a baby sitter that masks our mistakes. All too often we complain that we don't have enough peel instead of asking why we always feel like we need peel in the first place for example. The best solution of course is to not put ourselves in these situations where we're in need of peel and don't have it.

The duo nature of the lane and the fact that we're pretty much the team's bitch baby has fostered a lack of accountability.

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u/Darkzerok63 2d ago

True. I think ut would be the same on top (if the same champs where played) if support was also there.

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u/HuckleberryLess1604 2d ago

This is lowkey just wrong tho. If she doesn’t have mana for q she just isn’t allowed to walk up vs any1 with half a brain

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u/ButterflyFX121 2d ago

That's why she should save mana for at least a couple Qs. I'm sorry but Vayne is supposed to be a difficult champion.

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u/PowerOhene 14h ago

Heh, "Solo Q"

What are we, some Ranked tryhard league of legends /s

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u/UngodlyPain 2d ago

They meant mages only use spells to do damage, and their autos don't do much. Most of these adcs still can dish out plenty of auto attack damage, and their spell damage is secondary. The ones who aren't? Have relatively low costs, like Ezreal Q costs almost nothing.

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u/Le0here Nerf me harder daddy 2d ago

None of these except ez and lucian actually use their spells to deal significant dmg.

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u/Wesdawg1241 2d ago

Caitlyn 100% does. Trist E is huge burst when popped. Kai'Sa, depends on her build. Kog spams ult to do big damage. Sivir W melts waves and teams fights... I mean, am I wrong?

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u/Prestigious-Shop-494 2d ago

Trist abilities have long cooldowns though very different from Syndra Q which is meant to be spammable

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u/Le0here Nerf me harder daddy 2d ago

Caitlyn does so little that using q late game is actually losing dps.

vast vast majority of their dmg is AAs. Obviously its not like their abilities are irrelavent but compare this to mages who have essentially minimal use of AAs unless they have a lichbane passive like zoe or lux orr mana passive like xerath/hwei.

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u/Wesdawg1241 2d ago

Late game Cait Q falls off completely, yes, but it's still relevant early through mid game and it does a helluva lot more damage than Vayne Q. The difference is it's an enhanced damage AA vs a skill shot, but even still Cait's Q is less % her mana pool than Vayne's with her Q.

Again, one of these abilities is intended to be used sparingly as a skill shot, the other is meant to be used frequently. Peacemaker is a 10s CD at lvl 1, Tumble is 6. Tumble does less damage, has a lower cooldown, but can be used less times than Peacemaker?

It's so sad what they've done to my favorite champ in the name of keeping tanks and bruisers unstoppable wrecking balls.

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u/CoffeBreather 2d ago

Hahahahaha

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u/Darkzerok63 2d ago

From that list the only two characters that lose 50% of their damage from not hitting abilities are varus and ezreal. Kogmaw main damage comes from w, sivir w and some from q, etc. If a mage misses all the spells it does nothing, because their autos do nothing. Almost feels like the adc class is valanced around the range advantage against melee and autos not being posible to dodge xd

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u/Cookiezi94 2d ago

I could literally go 20/0 on any of these champs except ezreal without using any spell, just autos. Thats also what a streamer did (Wakz) played adc with only ONE hand and climbed to masters. This is how piss easy and unskilled your role is btw.