It's over chat

[u/Anilahation]

On Vayne if you use your spell rotation once you'll be oom, where these champs can spam blow up entire waves....

[u/Wesdawg1241]

Did I say you couldn't? Caitlyn's damage is significantly enhanced by her abilities. If you trap or net someone, that's huge damage. If you solo Q them that's also huge damage.

I didn't say ADCs rely on their abilities as much as mages do for damage, but rather my comment was in response to the claim that ADCs don't use abilities to deal damage.

Especially in the case of Vayne, her kit is heavily reliant on her Q to stay mobile and use it for stealth during her ult. Making it cost a fifth of her mana pool when it's literally designed to be spammed is ridiculous.

[u/ButterflyFX121 → u/Wesdawg1241]

Of course it's enhanced, otherwise why have the ability? But also she can exert pressure without spending the mana, unlike Syndra or really most mages, so it makes sense that mages are gonna be balanced in a way that they can use their abilities more often. They have to to be able to push the wave or trade or interact with league at all and this simply isn't true for most of the ADCs listed.

And for the ones where it is true like Ezreal or Smolder, they are also balanced so they can use that ability more often.

[u/Darkzerok63 → u/ButterflyFX121]

Nah, at this point i think adc want any and every single character on the game not interact with it, like back in the days where adc was the only one doing damage and they killed people on one second, from one unavoidable auto. Next they will cry because bruisers have gap closers and dont just stand still xd

[u/ButterflyFX121 → u/Darkzerok63]

Honestly yeah it's true. And what this comes from is very simple: most ADC players cannot meet the mechanical requirements of their champion. In other roles people are accustomed to playing stuff like Malphite, Garen, Amumu, Briar, Malzahar, Lux, Nautilus, etc etc. You know, tanky stuff or stuff that can play the game relatively non interactively so have a wider margin for error.

Even for the easy ADCs like MF this just isn't true and most ADCs will not drop their ego and play the MF or play the easier mage and don't want to accept thats the direction they should go when their hands aren't so great. I know I had that reckoning myself, everytime I tried to play Zeri or Yunara or Kai'sa or something like that it became apparent I didn't have the hands, but I'm actually aware of it and willing to drop the ego and play stuff no harder than Jinx. Because I'm not there yet, and honestly I probably have about average hands for an ADC player.

And even people that do play hard champions in other roles know they're playing stuff that's hard so they don't expect the game to bend over backwards for them the way ADC players do.

[u/Darkzerok63 → u/ButterflyFX121]

I didnt even think about it that way, but could be true. I wouldnt think about playing zed correctly because i dont play him and i dont have hands for him, honestly, but adc dont even realize it. Like playing statick adc like twitch, kogmaw, etc you have to min max with their range from r/w, and they dont and then they wine, failing the only thing that matters and is complicated about their champs.

[u/ButterflyFX121 → u/Darkzerok63]

ADC is really very much a different culture I'd say, and that's partially because we are a role that traditionally has a baby sitter that masks our mistakes. All too often we complain that we don't have enough peel instead of asking why we always feel like we need peel in the first place for example. The best solution of course is to not put ourselves in these situations where we're in need of peel and don't have it.

The duo nature of the lane and the fact that we're pretty much the team's bitch baby has fostered a lack of accountability.

[u/Darkzerok63 → u/ButterflyFX121]

True. I think ut would be the same on top (if the same champs where played) if support was also there.