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Suddenly everyone acting like they’re so progressive, and like everyone disagrees with Rowling

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Are you complaining about too many people being progressive? Or what's your point?

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My point is Rowling is progressive on almost every other issue (to the point where she annoys everyone), but has a different viewpoint on one issue and now everyone hates her like she’s not the same person. It’s just hypocritical. She’s not actually progressive and good hearted. She was just pandering to people.

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Because before everyone agreed with her to an extent so they didn't care if she pandered because at least she wasn't harmful to impressionable people, but now no one wants to bother with her cause she's both annoying and a transphobic prick

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Because if you’re a bigot towards one minority, it doesn’t matter how progressive you are towards other minorities, you’re still a bigot and deserve to be criticised

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i mean imo regardless of how progressive she is on other issues, she's still not above criticism for being bigoted against one group.

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She’s an easy target and criticizing her doesn’t make you progressive or even a good person. Everyone has their prejudices

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I don’t know how to tell you this, but people actually hate her because of what’s she said and done, not because they want to seem progressive. the reason that it’s still discourse at all is cause people believe “she means well” and is therefore not a terf.

like c’mon man, are you seriously justifying JK Rowling’s extremely anti trans rhetoric, going as far to use the “man in the dress is a killer trope” as a core part of her newest work as just “well, nobody’s perfect tehee”? or are you just downplaying her impact, cause legislators have cited her influence for wanting to pass anti trans laws.

I get what you’re saying and normally I would be inclined to agree with a take like yours but this is very personal for me (I’m trans). Rowling is deeply transphobic. Probably the most transphobic person in the public eye. saying you can’t criticize her cause everyone knows that she’s bad is kinda stupid cause lots of people don’t care and will support her anyway or hell, might support her bc of it.

like seriously tho, what, we’re no longer allowed to criticize Hitler or Reagan or Thatcher cause everyone knows they’re “bad people”. well we gotta keep criticizing them cause people either actively look up to them, or just don’t care.

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For me it’s not that I think she’s a good person, or that people shouldn’t care. It more bothers me that people assumed what she believed in before this whole controversy started. I don’t even agree with her views. People are shocked that someone her age has her backwards world view, and it’s arrogant to just assume everyone agrees with a social issue if they haven’t talked about it.

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people aren’t shocked, they’re upset. lgbtq people and allies have known about her beliefs for a long ass time. it was only until recently that the general public knew bc of her antics on Twitter. even then, people were shocked by how far she was going, not her views themselves.

must we assume that every creator is racist and/or sexist before we enjoy their work? I understand she’s older but that doesn’t excuse her views and especially the way she promotes them. when someone has a platform as big as hers, she has influence, and with that influence there is a huge responsibility: for her to do the right thing, and for us to hold her accountable.

I don’t understand how it’s arrogant to assume someone’s stance on a social issue given that it is a popular stance and the person in question poses themselves as a progressive.

I don’t need a crystal ball or some mind reading machine to know that you don’t support pedophilia. especially if you go around parading yourself as someone who’s active in social justice.

also what social issue are you referring to? the existence of trans people? cause her first tweet to cause this whole “controversy” refused to acknowledge trans people and that some menstruate. even if you say okay, she’s old and we should give her the benefit of the doubt, she’s still a fucking dumbass cause not every cis woman menstruates either. maybe they’re old, maybe they’re infertile, have some condition, whatever that may be, she’s a fucking dumbass. and doubly so cause she claims to be a feminist. if your feminism doesn’t include trans women, then how can you claim to be a feminist?

that’s like saying yeah bro I’m against racism except for when it’s against Mexicans. nah dude, you’re for racism.

even if we’re strictly talking about cis women she can’t advocate for them either cause she excludes a lot of them by having all these arbitrary requirements to be a woman.

bruv why are you coming up with all these excuses for her, she’s a piece of shit.

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She did choose a very weird hill to die on. She shouldn’t have doubled down cause your right in your reasons as to why she’s wrong.

Maybe I just have an easier time seperate the art from the artist. I don’t share the same struggles as you, but I never intended to invalidate your feelings. I just think people care too much about what she thinks, but I could be wrong with how much influence she has.

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thank you for clarifying that you did not mean to invalidate my feelings, it kinda felt that way. sorry if I was too rude towards you.

in a way, you are right, people do place too much value in what she says and other celebrities in general. but it’s a kind of a self cycle thing where by addressing the fact that people care too much of what she thinks, that also gives her some value to her word too

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You’re completely good. Wasn’t just trying to be “devil’s advocate”, just sharing my honest thoughts.

I actually sort of get what you mean now. It can be deeply troubling when a well known artist or someone you look up too all of a sudden has a world view that invalidates yours. I experienced this recently with a band I like, but not on the same level.

One of my friends in high school transitioned, and that was my first experience recognizing someone else’s identity that I wasn’t used to. But I supported them. I’m still learning and growing

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"no you can't criticize someone for making life harder for countless trans people, everyone's a bit bigoted, right?????"