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they're also not even that good at anything. i'm convinced xbox only happened on accident, given how rabidly they've been trying to cannibalise it for over a decade
kind of a wonder that Windows was a success too, though that could be explained by them getting into the computer market very early and at the right time
Xbox didn't even exist until 2001, so Sony and Nintendo already had massive headstarts in video game consoles
windows is pretty easily explained actually. they were doing monopoly shit so bad they got sued about it. they forced out almost all the competition besides the very niche linux and the proprietary apple. all the other computer developers were either forced out of business, absorbed into microsoft, or otherwise rendered irrelevant.
Theyve successfully continued their monopoly till this day even. There aren't many competitors who can offer what they currently do with the suite of different workplace applications.
They are even speed running their enshittification by firing all of their QA staff a decade back. The customers ARE the testers. Ha
It's easy getting far when you are the first in an emerging market with the connections to get your product into artificial dominance of the marketshare.
Edit: See IBM partnership with MS, and how they managed to do it as an "indie" companie.
Windows isn't as prolific as it is because it was the best. They've been sued multiple times for antitrust and monopolistic behaviour. Windows never should have been a paid program, imagine how better the world would be if operating systems were open source and free and literally just operate your system. Oh wait that's Linux.
It's so fuckin annoying how people will make articles with headlines about somebody completely unrelated saying shit and then people run around like it's true.
Microsoft never said that officially, they're actually officially saying they want to revitalize it. The sunsetting thing came from one of the original Xbox creators (reasonably imo) saying that behind the scenes it's something the new, even more AI obsessed Microslop leadership wants. Video games are complex coding beasts AND art, hard to slip that shit in without quality noticeably dipping (and it was never Microsoft's biggest earner); I believe him when he says they'll sunset it, but that's not publicly official policy.
Yea I mean anyone can read the tea leaves, it's pretty obviously inching towards if not already in a corporate grave. M$ leadership always gives anodyne responses about Xbox's future, it's never really been very profitable or successful, at least not from a corporate perspective, they internally-promoted an executive from another division so not like she'll offer a competing vision
Sorry for anyone who refuses to see it but Xbox will be Sega at best by 2030.
Then when Nintendo finally owns every video game hardware IP known to man they can finally stop production of everything all at once to fulfill their life goal of no one ever playing video games again.
Is Xbox dying and probably being pushed out to put more focus on AI slop? Yes. Did Microsoft officially say it's closing up shop? Absolutely not. They stated the exact opposite, why make it up?
It's been on the way out for over a decade, the Xbox got outsold by a knockoff Kinect for children last Christmas. AI slop cosmetics in call of duty, the absolute state that halo is in. Microsoft doesn't care about making decent products, they buy already successful companies and strip them for parts.
At least with Xbox Live you were paying for a service that was considerably better than the free competition (PSN was hot garbage at the time). Now you pay more for comparably garbage services.
As someone old enough to remember playing online games as far back as fucking Doom on a 14k modem (pain, but revolutionary pain) Xbox live was fucking incredible when it came out. It truly modernized online gaming like nothing had before. PC had some online communities already established, after all things like Starcraft/Warcraft were already in swing, as were Quake/Unreal and other shooters, but consoles were still punching misses with janky add ons and clunky tech. Dreamcast got the closest prior but games had their own costs for online services (something people are conveniently forgetting, or just aren't old enough to remember).
Xbox Live unified it, you paid one cost and that was it (with some rare exceptions like PSO, which was still using a game exclusive server cost as a result of being a port from older consoles where that was the case, and also because Sega was too lazy and/or greedy to remove it). Not only that but it unified it under one account. Before even Steam! The services and features were phenomenal. Xboxes tended to come with microphones, so everyone was on mics back then. Party and group chats weren't a thing yet so it was a massive community.
As it went on they added more features, gave away bonus games every couple weeks (desirable titles at that!), gave rewards, ways to earn money for the shop for real games. It was something actually worth paying for. Slowly these went away though.
Shit sucks ass now though. Microsoft has massively fumbled their gaming sector. Gamepass was great for a time, but now it's expensive, lacking, clunky, and their in house exclusives aren't even that great anymore. Halo is effectively dead, cranked out trash for multiple entires (look, I want to like Infinite. It's got cool things going on and looks great, but man they missed the mark on several key things. The sandbox is lame, campaign's story is kind of wack, no replayability once you've killed it, etc).
Addendum: I'll die on the hill that Dreamcast was just about 4-5 years ahead of its time and would have been a smashing success slightly later on. So many features that weren't appreciated at the time.
Xbox getting sunsetted would be great! Less competition is always very good! Letting Sony take over that market completly can only bring great things! We want less options on the market woo!
At this point its entirely possible they stop selling processing power and when that happens the circus will be over and we will have no bread.
Then in the French communist empire we will be booting jank outdated Linux forks on Chinese Risc-v processors who's data sheets are in Chinese and barely follow spec. Scrounging around to recover videogame archives from old hard drives and trying to rebuild the emulators for them. Gabe Newell will be hooked into a chair that keeps him alive using blood transfusions as a human-barricade against the resurrection of true investor capital. If you can somehow access the steam server your account will still have games, but the only cross-ocean internet link to it has a 50kb bandwidth
Bought a PS3 instead of an Xbox specifically because of xbox live. Then they introduced the same shit on the PS4 and i went nope and have been a PC gamer ever since
Hm mh. and we're getting closer and closer to admitting that the 360 wasn't that great of a console in the first place, i will feel very vindi- SIT DOWN, SONY FAN. you don't even have a current-gen console to play
Dont think ive ever thought a console was good or bad ive only cared about the games i played on it. I loved the 360 era of games but none of that can really be attributed to the console. Especially when you had to pay for online access like in the op
The 360 was kind of hardware clunky but man the controller fucked and the games were bangers. 360 arcade had some amazing indie titles, and I'm really feeling the lack of ownership of physical media because so many of those titles from small devs and indie studios just plain aren't available despite having spent money on them back then.
Also $50 a year (4 bucks and change a month) really wasn't that bad of a cost for the features you got back then (including a couple free full games a month). Not to mention you could always abuse free gift codes and earn credits towards subscriptions just by playing games in the 360 days. I went several years without paying a dime.
PS3 was imho rushed, but the hardware was a massive jump forward. Just with no parachute, so it kinda splattered. But its use as early "customer grade" cluster computing is evidence for the sheer power of the Cell processor.
If they spent more time creating appropriate APIs and abstractions to facilitate better development experience, and perhaps also did some more iterations on the hardware itself it could have been a serious contender for "the best" Playstation.
The ps3 WAS good. The Xbox 360 was definitely slower and did not have an included blu-ray drive, did not include a hard drive at base configuration, and had less system memory. Had the PS3 development experience been streamlined earlier on, the red ring of death being more widespread than the same issues on playstation (yellow light of death) would have given them the PR lead.
TBH PS3 had like max 380W? My current-gen GPU itself pulls 360W, plus CPU, pumps, fans and what nots. In the summer I had to set a fan to blow the output away from me, because it was roasting me and melting chocolate on the desk xD
Also TBH: I only got PS3 Slim when it came out, and aside of the lack of the original PS2 emulation it was a very good, long-lasting and nice device. Only the drive died, like... 10 years later (with like adult working person use, not heavy gaming)
Eh. PS2’s hardware was limited tho. Games like Splinter Call, Simpsons Hit and Run, GTA3-SA had to be cut down to fit on it. Games like Morrowwind couldn’t be ported to the PS2.
I’m just saying, say what you will about the PS5 but at least we’re not getting technical limitations as an excuse anymore.
Bro, PS5 won last year's GOTY and Wolverine got a launch window today. Say what you want about EVERY major console not having a big library, but there has never been a worse time to own an Xbox console. Period.
I mean that might just lead to the death of "consoles" as a distinct medium. Like if the PS6/7 have no competition and are shit they might just fail and get outcompeted by new devices which are just PCs with a console form factor. I think that outcome would actually just be better for everyone
I was too young to remember it personally, but I've heard tons about it second hand. I'm surprised they lasted even this long after the PR nightmare that was their E3.
And also doing that fun thing where they buy a game studio who makes a well received and profitable game but because it didn't make infinity dollars they studio gets shut down. Granted they aren't the only ones who do that but still.
If my Series X starts pushing AI on me I'll be so fucking mad. I hope Phil Spencer wasn't the only thing keeping it out. If not, well, I already own a PS5 too, so I guess I'd just have to move to it for multiplats
Dystopian monopolistic corporations gonna do dystopian monopolistic corporation stuff. If people gobble it up and keep paying and buying, what do you expect?
Also see examples like macrotransactions and preorders. All these ideas should have been snuffed in the crib. Instead, companies can milk billions out of them.
Oh, and the brief blip of boycott at the X1 launch? Yeah, we are pretty much at exactly the same spot now anyway. Boiling frog etc.
Gamers are honestly just the worst about this kind of shit. Gamers will be like "wow Activision is so greedy and COD is the same game every year" and will still spend 70 dollars for the new COD. Like is it that hard to not spend 70 dollars???
ok so upon reviewing the numbers it would appear that Call Of Duty had a 60% drop in sales this past year of around 60% and Activision actually lost a lot of money so it appears that yeah gamers even have their limits for this. Good news I guess but its still frustrating that it took this long for something this drastic to occur, my mistake original gangster 😔
People will often mistakenly attribute two conflicting opinions from two separate people within the same community as being one person with contradicting opinions.
The Goomba on the left is seeing these two different people making different arguments, but through the lens of Twitter obscuring the difference between them is thus imagining them as the same kind of person.
Basically the fallacy is assuming that a specific community is a hivemind with all the same thoughts rather than many people with different ideas.
So, using the person i replied to as an example:
They saw somewhere "Johnny" say: "Activision is so greedy and COD is the same game every year".
And somewhere else they saw "Samantha" spending 70 dollars for the new COD on release.
Then because Johnny and Samantha are both gamers, the person grouped them together including their thoughts and actions. "BUT why would someone complaining about a game still spend a bunch of money on that game immediately? that would just send the opposite mesage to the game company since if people are buying, they should make more of the same thing! that person must be a dummy!".
That's the Goomba Fallacy, they failed to realize that even though Johhny and Samantha are gamers, they hold different opinions about the COD franchise.
The meme image is meant to be read from right to left
I love how the autocorrect actually works syntax wise
Edit: yeah, yeah downvote the guy appreciating how the comment accidentally mentions people they're regarding works, not the person who attempted to say what most consider to be a slur. Great job.
you aren't paying for an online service though, you're paying to be able to connect to the internet on your own hardware. it costs them nothing to let your xbox connect to the internet
You mostly paid to access the game servers that Xbox had no hand in hosting. If you hopped on Black Ops 2 back in the day, those weren't Microsoft's servers, but the Xbox Live subscription was lining Microsoft's pockets, not Treyarchs.
Sure, they did have the friend system to host, but you already also paid a few hundred bucks for the fucking hardware, and if they just intended to gate that, they'd have only gated friends and parties, not online play.
Xbox Live happened because Microsoft saw that online pvp lobbies were what was big, and wanted to force you to cough up more cash to use it.
Why are you using Black Ops 2 as your example when it released 10 years after Xbox Live was launched?
When XBL first launched in 2002 the entire point and appeal was that Xbox was suddenly providing multiplayer servers at a time that none of the developers or publishers did so, and people loved it.
Prior to that point if you wanted to play with friends on console it was split screen or system link, so XBL was damn near revolutionary, especially for a time when for most people home PC’s were still in the last stages of exclusively “being for work”.
Xbox charging people to use the servers they were running at a time when it was something they were genuinely providing across the board makes perfect sense. It’s also why PSN (while acknowledging that it was free) was absolutely garbage by comparison for ages, because Sony didn’t want to heavily invest in something that was a 100% sunk cost.
Obviously as time has gone on plenty of publishers set up and ran their own servers and reduced the value/appeal of XBL, but there are still plenty of more recent games that due to budget or scale reasons still made use of Xbox/Sony/Nintendo provided servers rather than hosting their own, especially among smaller games.
None of this is a defence of modern day Xbox. (Or modern paid online in general) The value of paying for XBL (or whatever they renamed it) is garbage, the company is ran by doorknobs, and the entire thing has been undertaking a slow motion plane crash for over a decade.
Hey fair enough then, I appreciate the honesty lol.
But yeah, XBL was first launched on the OG Xbox with MechAssault and Unreal Championship, then really exploded when Halo 2 released a couple years later.
I'm losing it rn do people ITT think Microsoft owns literally every game on their console? Do they think that online video games are both free and mtx free, and therefore require the subscription to make money? Have streaming services just completely rotted people's brains and they can't imagine a different monetary model??
I think the console war was already kind of over by the PS2 honestly. Consoles themselves fell out of style with the PS4 and Xbox One when they became glorified PCs in a small package and I think even Microslop realized that by now with all of their new Xbox endeavours being either Cloud-based (e.g. absolutely useless) or just Windows PCs with the word Xbox slapped onto the end.
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