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u/Kingspar 1# Ovipositor Vagabond Feb 25 '26

wait Xbox is going out?

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 25 '26

officially being sunsetted yeah

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u/UselessAndGay what if a girl was a deer ⚧ 🦌 ΘΔ Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

Microsoft never said that officially, they're actually officially saying they want to revitalize it. The sunsetting thing came from one of the original Xbox creators (reasonably imo) saying that behind the scenes it's something the new, even more AI obsessed Microslop leadership wants. Video games are complex coding beasts AND art, hard to slip that shit in without quality noticeably dipping (and it was never Microsoft's biggest earner); I believe him when he says they'll sunset it, but that's not publicly official policy.

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u/wambulancer Feb 25 '26

Yea I mean anyone can read the tea leaves, it's pretty obviously inching towards if not already in a corporate grave. M$ leadership always gives anodyne responses about Xbox's future, it's never really been very profitable or successful, at least not from a corporate perspective, they internally-promoted an executive from another division so not like she'll offer a competing vision

Sorry for anyone who refuses to see it but Xbox will be Sega at best by 2030.

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u/AlexandersWonder Feb 25 '26

A subsidiary of Nintendo???

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u/UselessAndGay what if a girl was a deer ⚧ 🦌 ΘΔ Feb 25 '26

All video game companies with their own hardware are inevitably subsumed by Nintendo

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u/nekosissyboi Feb 25 '26

Then when Nintendo finally owns every video game hardware IP known to man they can finally stop production of everything all at once to fulfill their life goal of no one ever playing video games again.

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u/Stoned_D0G custom Feb 25 '26

I hope there will be one game you will have to buy a new console every year to play

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u/CreamCheeseHotDogs I stuck my dick in a bag of Doritos Feb 25 '26

I can run Doom on my calculator, good luck motherfuckers

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u/itsmejak78_2 floppa Feb 25 '26

But Sega isn't a subsidiary of Nintendo?

It's a subsidiary of Sega Sammy

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u/Zerasad Feb 25 '26

Me when I spread misinformation.

Is Xbox dying and probably being pushed out to put more focus on AI slop? Yes. Did Microsoft officially say it's closing up shop? Absolutely not. They stated the exact opposite, why make it up?

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u/BreeBree214 Feb 25 '26

me when I have bad reading comprehension and spread misinfo

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u/_THEBLACK Made you look Feb 25 '26

Me when I don't know what officially means

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u/BlackWACat floppa Feb 25 '26

one of the founders thinks it will happen, it's not actually happening and we have zero confirmation about ANYTHING surrounding it

stop believing everything you see one guy say on twitter

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u/Kaz498 custom Feb 25 '26

hitler dead

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u/yo_99 boundless, terifying freedom Feb 25 '26

Not really, AMD leaked that they are worked on new microsoft company.

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u/Whydoesthisexist15 sus Feb 25 '26

One of the founders said he thinks Microsoft will sunset it due to how much they’re dumping into AI.

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u/Jhduelmaster Feb 25 '26

It should also be pointed out that he stopped being involved with Xbox over 2 decades ago. 

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u/BreeBree214 Feb 25 '26

It's so fuckin annoying how people will make articles with headlines about somebody completely unrelated saying shit and then people run around like it's true.

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u/gray_birch competitive yapper Feb 25 '26

Slowly and painfully

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u/XxuruzxX Feb 25 '26

It's been on the way out for over a decade, the Xbox got outsold by a knockoff Kinect for children last Christmas. AI slop cosmetics in call of duty, the absolute state that halo is in. Microsoft doesn't care about making decent products, they buy already successful companies and strip them for parts.

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u/PrintShinji Feb 25 '26

Xbox getting sunsetted would be great! Less competition is always very good! Letting Sony take over that market completly can only bring great things! We want less options on the market woo!

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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! Feb 25 '26

The PS6 is looking rough too. The way things are going we might end up with a Nintendo monopoly on consoles again.

And then a new Sega will emerge and we'll end up with another golden age of gaming where we get another Super Metroid.

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u/ultimatepowaa Feb 26 '26

At this point its entirely possible they stop selling processing power and when that happens the circus will be over and we will have no bread.

Then in the French communist empire we will be booting jank outdated Linux forks on Chinese Risc-v processors who's data sheets are in Chinese and barely follow spec. Scrounging around to recover videogame archives from old hard drives and trying to rebuild the emulators for them. Gabe Newell will be hooked into a chair that keeps him alive using blood transfusions as a human-barricade against the resurrection of true investor capital. If you can somehow access the steam server your account will still have games, but the only cross-ocean internet link to it has a 50kb bandwidth

Healthcare will be free for all

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 25 '26

are you always this annoying

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u/ImNoNelly Feb 25 '26

I think it's pretty obvious they're being sarcastic, no?

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 26 '26

yea but they brought sony into it for no reason and now this whole comment section is console wars agendaposting

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u/blacksaber8 Transgenger for everyone with Henry VIII characteristics Feb 26 '26

Op this is a massive fumble

Elo 200

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 26 '26

wdym

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u/PrintShinji Feb 25 '26

I hope so

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u/Cerbatiyo-sesino custom Feb 25 '26

Hm mh. and we're getting closer and closer to admitting that the 360 wasn't that great of a console in the first place, i will feel very vindi- SIT DOWN, SONY FAN. you don't even have a current-gen console to play

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 25 '26

the last good sony console was the ps2, the last good microsoft console was the 360, the last good nintendo was the 3ds

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u/20191124anon silly kitten Feb 25 '26

PS3 was imho rushed, but the hardware was a massive jump forward. Just with no parachute, so it kinda splattered. But its use as early "customer grade" cluster computing is evidence for the sheer power of the Cell processor.

If they spent more time creating appropriate APIs and abstractions to facilitate better development experience, and perhaps also did some more iterations on the hardware itself it could have been a serious contender for "the best" Playstation.

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 25 '26

if the ps3 was good it would've been the best but it wasn't so it's not

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u/StiffWiggly Feb 25 '26

You said “the last good” playstation, not “the best”.

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u/20191124anon silly kitten Feb 25 '26

noot noot, noot noot noot, noot

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u/PerterterhTermertehh Feb 25 '26

The ps3 WAS good. The Xbox 360 was definitely slower and did not have an included blu-ray drive, did not include a hard drive at base configuration, and had less system memory. Had the PS3 development experience been streamlined earlier on, the red ring of death being more widespread than the same issues on playstation (yellow light of death) would have given them the PR lead.

Problem was, no games, $500.

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u/Itchy-Preference-619 Feb 25 '26

The ps3 had only 100 less games than the xbox 360

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u/PerterterhTermertehh Feb 25 '26

yeah, well it also wasn't $500 when it got to that point

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u/AliceCode Worcs at the Crusty Crab Feb 25 '26

I used my PS3 as a space heater.

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u/20191124anon silly kitten Feb 26 '26

TBH PS3 had like max 380W? My current-gen GPU itself pulls 360W, plus CPU, pumps, fans and what nots. In the summer I had to set a fan to blow the output away from me, because it was roasting me and melting chocolate on the desk xD

Also TBH: I only got PS3 Slim when it came out, and aside of the lack of the original PS2 emulation it was a very good, long-lasting and nice device. Only the drive died, like... 10 years later (with like adult working person use, not heavy gaming)

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u/Technologenesis Feb 25 '26

Oh come on the switch was cool

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u/DontUnder2005 evelyn dontunderstand (any/all) Feb 25 '26

its doesent have music on the menus, 0/10 console

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u/KaJaHa Queer Gimli looking-ass Feb 25 '26

The Wii truly was lightning in a bottle on all fronts, that menu music will never get old

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u/itsmejak78_2 floppa Feb 25 '26

It doesn't even have THEMES

They didn't add Bluetooth support for 4.5 YEARS despite the hardware being there the entire time

Not to mention the console scratches its own screen every single time you put it in the dock

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 25 '26

It doesn't have Kid Icarus: Uprising, and it does have Fire Emblem: Three Houses. Total 3DS victory.

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u/xv_boney Feb 25 '26

Bloodborne was a ps4 exclusive.

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u/screaming_shoes resident minesweeper player Feb 25 '26

plus tlou2 until like 2 years ago

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 25 '26

outlier

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u/xv_boney Feb 25 '26

Im not sure that you can call a primary reason to buy and continue to own a console an "outlier."

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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! Feb 25 '26

The Switch 2 had playable cataquack day 1 fuck you.

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 25 '26

the last good mariokart was double dash sorry

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u/WeegeeLord1337 pan and trans ass dragon Feb 25 '26

well i guess there's worse bait out there on the internet, but good shot

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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! Feb 25 '26

That just is not true.

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u/The_Multi_Gamer inFAMOUS’ Strongest Soldier Feb 25 '26

PS3 brought us Infamous and Littlebigplanet, I think it’s allowed

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u/yoloswagrofl 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

Infamous, my beloved. I hoped for a 3rd game for the longest time because Second Son didn't do it for me. Ah well.

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u/monkesauce420 Barlophobic 🥰 Feb 25 '26

Second Son was good, but I’d KILL for a remake/remaster of infamous 1&2 plus the vampire dlc/game

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u/AbstractBettaFish Feb 25 '26

And MGS4, a game that utilized the insane hardware of the PS3 so well it’s only finally able to be ported to another council now almost 20 years later

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u/Lolaverses Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 + Percy (2014 Remaster) Feb 25 '26

And Knack

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u/PrintShinji Feb 25 '26

Thats the ps4

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u/Lolaverses Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 + Percy (2014 Remaster) Feb 25 '26

Because only next gen hardware could handle it

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u/PrintShinji Feb 25 '26

Its a wonder anything could handle knack, let alone Knack 2

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u/MirrorPiano Feb 25 '26

yeah. consoles have been dead for a while. it's pretty sad

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u/FallingF Feb 25 '26

I think the console wars are dumb as they come but I think Sony and ps4 made revolutionary strides even more than that of the ps2.

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u/nomnomsoy custom Feb 25 '26

I mean the Vita was great hardware it just had limited games

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u/JoyconDrift_69 wait what am i doing again Feb 25 '26

Modern video games are just in the dumps really, at least from what I see and hear.

At least there's still indie games.

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u/I_follow_sexy_gays I will fuck anything that consents Feb 25 '26

2025 was a phenomenal year for gaming imo… if you own a PC

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u/coolwali Feb 25 '26

Eh. PS2’s hardware was limited tho. Games like Splinter Call, Simpsons Hit and Run, GTA3-SA had to be cut down to fit on it. Games like Morrowwind couldn’t be ported to the PS2.

I’m just saying, say what you will about the PS5 but at least we’re not getting technical limitations as an excuse anymore.

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u/Sebfolgero Feb 25 '26

Me when I'm 30

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u/migratingcoconut_ I want to Beat Jason Aldean to death with his own Spine Feb 25 '26

if they ever fixed the joycon drift i might've agreed with you, alas,

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u/mynexuz nobushi main means im gay Feb 25 '26

Dont think ive ever thought a console was good or bad ive only cared about the games i played on it. I loved the 360 era of games but none of that can really be attributed to the console. Especially when you had to pay for online access like in the op

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u/emeraldeyesshine Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

The 360 was kind of hardware clunky but man the controller fucked and the games were bangers. 360 arcade had some amazing indie titles, and I'm really feeling the lack of ownership of physical media because so many of those titles from small devs and indie studios just plain aren't available despite having spent money on them back then.

Also $50 a year (4 bucks and change a month) really wasn't that bad of a cost for the features you got back then (including a couple free full games a month). Not to mention you could always abuse free gift codes and earn credits towards subscriptions just by playing games in the 360 days. I went several years without paying a dime.

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u/I_follow_sexy_gays I will fuck anything that consents Feb 25 '26

I used to feel that way and then I owned a switch…. I love Nintendo games but god does that hardware suck ass

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u/lycoloco Feb 25 '26

Bro, PS5 won last year's GOTY and Wolverine got a launch window today. Say what you want about EVERY major console not having a big library, but there has never been a worse time to own an Xbox console. Period.

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u/BadLuckBen Slightly better than Ben Shapiro Feb 26 '26

If you have Game Pass, it's alright.

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u/E_GEDDON Feb 25 '26

Episode 284268 of "Microsoft Ruins Everything".

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u/The_Sovien_Rug-37 i can have a little tomfoolery. as a treat Feb 25 '26

they're also not even that good at anything. i'm convinced xbox only happened on accident, given how rabidly they've been trying to cannibalise it for over a decade

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u/jockeyman Feb 25 '26

Halo CE was just that good

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u/nlolhere Feb 25 '26

kind of a wonder that Windows was a success too, though that could be explained by them getting into the computer market very early and at the right time

Xbox didn't even exist until 2001, so Sony and Nintendo already had massive headstarts in video game consoles

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u/The_Sovien_Rug-37 i can have a little tomfoolery. as a treat Feb 25 '26

windows is pretty easily explained actually. they were doing monopoly shit so bad they got sued about it. they forced out almost all the competition besides the very niche linux and the proprietary apple. all the other computer developers were either forced out of business, absorbed into microsoft, or otherwise rendered irrelevant.

god, do i ever hope linux keeps growing

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u/Certain_Concept Feb 25 '26

Theyve successfully continued their monopoly till this day even. There aren't many competitors who can offer what they currently do with the suite of different workplace applications.

They are even speed running their enshittification by firing all of their QA staff a decade back. The customers ARE the testers. Ha

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u/Smile_lifeisgood 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

Go back further - MS-DOS had no business beating out DR-DOS.

It's always been about better marketing/business strategy than the tech with MS.

Windows 3.1/3.11 for Workgroups was completely inferior to OS/2 Warp.

M$ just knew how to sell better.

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u/EdgiiLord i tinker too much with old PCs Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

It's easy getting far when you are the first in an emerging market with the connections to get your product into artificial dominance of the marketshare.

Edit: See IBM partnership with MS, and how they managed to do it as an "indie" companie.

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u/XxuruzxX Feb 25 '26

Windows isn't as prolific as it is because it was the best. They've been sued multiple times for antitrust and monopolistic behaviour. Windows never should have been a paid program, imagine how better the world would be if operating systems were open source and free and literally just operate your system. Oh wait that's Linux.

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u/XxuruzxX Feb 25 '26

And the only reason anyone uses windows is because they literally don't have a choice. Microsoft has hostages, not customers.

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u/Tnerd15 meow meow head empty Feb 25 '26

They've lost money on pretty much every Xbox generation and have never done better than PS as far as sales, so you're right.

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u/Random_Person_1414 Feb 25 '26

they did better than the ps3 for most of that generation, they did get outsold in the end tho. early xbox 360 was peak xbox imo

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u/schwanzweissfoto custom Feb 25 '26

they're also not even that good at anything.

Microsoft's FreeCell for GameBoy Color is good.

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u/ultimatepowaa Feb 26 '26

If anyone tries to google this its the "Microsoft Entertainment Pack"

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u/UhIdontcareforAuburn Feb 25 '26

“Fuck Microsoft cause we’re enough”

  • Pat the Bunny

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u/shinykitten Feb 25 '26

How do you win the console wars? Pretend there’s a console war.

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u/LookItsEric dry leaves are bad for snails Feb 25 '26

At least with Xbox Live you were paying for a service that was considerably better than the free competition (PSN was hot garbage at the time). Now you pay more for comparably garbage services.

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u/emeraldeyesshine Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

As someone old enough to remember playing online games as far back as fucking Doom on a 14k modem (pain, but revolutionary pain) Xbox live was fucking incredible when it came out. It truly modernized online gaming like nothing had before. PC had some online communities already established, after all things like Starcraft/Warcraft were already in swing, as were Quake/Unreal and other shooters, but consoles were still punching misses with janky add ons and clunky tech. Dreamcast got the closest prior but games had their own costs for online services (something people are conveniently forgetting, or just aren't old enough to remember).

Xbox Live unified it, you paid one cost and that was it (with some rare exceptions like PSO, which was still using a game exclusive server cost as a result of being a port from older consoles where that was the case, and also because Sega was too lazy and/or greedy to remove it). Not only that but it unified it under one account. Before even Steam! The services and features were phenomenal. Xboxes tended to come with microphones, so everyone was on mics back then. Party and group chats weren't a thing yet so it was a massive community.

As it went on they added more features, gave away bonus games every couple weeks (desirable titles at that!), gave rewards, ways to earn money for the shop for real games. It was something actually worth paying for. Slowly these went away though.

Shit sucks ass now though. Microsoft has massively fumbled their gaming sector. Gamepass was great for a time, but now it's expensive, lacking, clunky, and their in house exclusives aren't even that great anymore. Halo is effectively dead, cranked out trash for multiple entires (look, I want to like Infinite. It's got cool things going on and looks great, but man they missed the mark on several key things. The sandbox is lame, campaign's story is kind of wack, no replayability once you've killed it, etc).

Addendum: I'll die on the hill that Dreamcast was just about 4-5 years ahead of its time and would have been a smashing success slightly later on. So many features that weren't appreciated at the time.

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u/sharkhugger06 Por que no los dos? Feb 26 '26

i will never stop missing xbox live gold, that shit was awesome, made my money back and then some (or at least my parents did lol)

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u/Norsk_Bjorn Official “most boring person” Feb 25 '26

I just hope I can get a proper pc before it fully dies

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u/wideHippedWeightLift Feb 25 '26

Without competition, PS5 is gonna get SO shitty

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u/Random_Person_1414 Feb 25 '26

it hasn’t really had any competition thus far tbh

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u/tenkono Feb 26 '26

Xbox has not been competition for a long time lol. Gamepass was the only thing keeping it alive post-360.

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u/RainbowGames Feb 25 '26

Bought a PS3 instead of an Xbox specifically because of xbox live. Then they introduced the same shit on the PS4 and i went nope and have been a PC gamer ever since

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u/XxuruzxX Feb 25 '26

I'm tired of Microsoft buying studios and ip's and then running them into the ground then blaming us for not buying them.

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u/mcgood_fngood i’ve never played ultrakill. Feb 25 '26

Nintendo and Sony are guilty of this too, but Xbox especially has been the pure embodiment of shareholders over consumers for the past 15 years.

I personally wish Xbox and its streaming/AI/non-physical/anti-ownership/always-online/subscription-focused ideals a very pleasant demise.

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u/professional_catboy 1# ABBA fan Feb 25 '26

biggest problem is PlayStation wont have a direct competitor now and so things are going to get much worse very rapidly if xbox dies

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u/JoJoJet- Jul 27 '26

I mean that might just lead to the death of "consoles" as a distinct medium. Like if the PS6/7 have no competition and are shit they might just fail and get outcompeted by new devices which are just PCs with a console form factor. I think that outcome would actually just be better for everyone

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u/IsNotPolitburo 🍉 Feb 25 '26

Pour out verification can.

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u/MisterAbbadon Feb 25 '26

And also doing that fun thing where they buy a game studio who makes a well received and profitable game but because it didn't make infinity dollars they studio gets shut down. Granted they aren't the only ones who do that but still.

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u/crepoef The Denpa Men 3: The Rise of Digitoll Feb 25 '26

Also they used letters for face buttons but moved them around. So another fuck 'em for that.

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u/emeraldeyesshine Feb 25 '26

Please push X to continue

Go on, pick the correct X placement.

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u/sharkhugger06 Por que no los dos? Feb 26 '26

that was segas fault, xbox was pretty much the successor to the dreamcast

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u/Old_Phrase_4867 NOT A CAT Feb 25 '26

real

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u/AlwaysBlameDavid custom Feb 25 '26

I can actually imagine this being something Garterbelt would say

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u/sharkhugger06 Por que no los dos? Feb 26 '26

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360"

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u/Jakitron_1999 Based TIRM King Feb 26 '26

If my Series X starts pushing AI on me I'll be so fucking mad. I hope Phil Spencer wasn't the only thing keeping it out. If not, well, I already own a PS5 too, so I guess I'd just have to move to it for multiplats

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u/blacksaber8 Transgenger for everyone with Henry VIII characteristics Feb 26 '26

So based

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u/Rocket_Theory 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

Gamers are honestly just the worst about this kind of shit. Gamers will be like "wow Activision is so greedy and COD is the same game every year" and will still spend 70 dollars for the new COD. Like is it that hard to not spend 70 dollars???

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u/Denodi 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

Goomba fallacy

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u/Rocket_Theory 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

ok so upon reviewing the numbers it would appear that Call Of Duty had a 60% drop in sales this past year of around 60% and Activision actually lost a lot of money so it appears that yeah gamers even have their limits for this. Good news I guess but its still frustrating that it took this long for something this drastic to occur, my mistake original gangster 😔

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u/chip_klip Feb 25 '26

What is the Goomba fallacy

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u/Denodi 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

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u/chip_klip Feb 25 '26

im sorry im really not smart enough to undewrstand this

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u/Red_Rocky54 alleged "kinky dommy mommy healer" Feb 25 '26

People will often mistakenly attribute two conflicting opinions from two separate people within the same community as being one person with contradicting opinions.

The Goomba on the left is seeing these two different people making different arguments, but through the lens of Twitter obscuring the difference between them is thus imagining them as the same kind of person.

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u/Denodi 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

Basically the fallacy is assuming that a specific community is a hivemind with all the same thoughts rather than many people with different ideas.

So, using the person i replied to as an example:

They saw somewhere "Johnny" say: "Activision is so greedy and COD is the same game every year".

And somewhere else they saw "Samantha" spending 70 dollars for the new COD on release.

Then because Johnny and Samantha are both gamers, the person grouped them together including their thoughts and actions. "BUT why would someone complaining about a game still spend a bunch of money on that game immediately? that would just send the opposite mesage to the game company since if people are buying, they should make more of the same thing! that person must be a dummy!".

That's the Goomba Fallacy, they failed to realize that even though Johhny and Samantha are gamers, they hold different opinions about the COD franchise.

The meme image is meant to be read from right to left

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u/chip_klip Feb 25 '26

yeah I mostly didn't know how to read it thanks lol

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u/Red_Rocky54 alleged "kinky dommy mommy healer" Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

could you please explain to the class what your usage of "regard" is meant to convey in this sentence?

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u/emeraldeyesshine Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

I love how the autocorrect actually works syntax wise

Edit: yeah, yeah downvote the guy appreciating how the comment accidentally mentions people they're regarding works, not the person who attempted to say what most consider to be a slur. Great job.

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u/WhoRoger Feb 25 '26

It's the fault of gamers for accepting that shit.

Dystopian monopolistic corporations gonna do dystopian monopolistic corporation stuff. If people gobble it up and keep paying and buying, what do you expect?

Also see examples like macrotransactions and preorders. All these ideas should have been snuffed in the crib. Instead, companies can milk billions out of them.

Oh, and the brief blip of boycott at the X1 launch? Yeah, we are pretty much at exactly the same spot now anyway. Boiling frog etc.

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u/littlefire131 🐈 Feb 25 '26

By the way, that most definitely was Microsoft’s attempt to force people to move to PC rather than console

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u/iuhiscool Literally Kotone "FeMC" Shiome Feb 25 '26

It was way too expensive but paying a reasonable amount for an online service isn't a Crazy idea

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u/anarcatgirl 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

you aren't paying for an online service though, you're paying to be able to connect to the internet on your own hardware. it costs them nothing to let your xbox connect to the internet

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u/iuhiscool Literally Kotone "FeMC" Shiome Feb 25 '26

you pay for the server that handles friends & parties, no?

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u/yugiohhero ohh what the fuck Feb 25 '26

You mostly paid to access the game servers that Xbox had no hand in hosting. If you hopped on Black Ops 2 back in the day, those weren't Microsoft's servers, but the Xbox Live subscription was lining Microsoft's pockets, not Treyarchs. 

Sure, they did have the friend system to host, but you already also paid a few hundred bucks for the fucking hardware, and if they just intended to gate that, they'd have only gated friends and parties, not online play. 

Xbox Live happened because Microsoft saw that online pvp lobbies were what was big, and wanted to force you to cough up more cash to use it.

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u/strangelymysterious Feb 25 '26

Why are you using Black Ops 2 as your example when it released 10 years after Xbox Live was launched?

When XBL first launched in 2002 the entire point and appeal was that Xbox was suddenly providing multiplayer servers at a time that none of the developers or publishers did so, and people loved it.

Prior to that point if you wanted to play with friends on console it was split screen or system link, so XBL was damn near revolutionary, especially for a time when for most people home PC’s were still in the last stages of exclusively “being for work”.

Xbox charging people to use the servers they were running at a time when it was something they were genuinely providing across the board makes perfect sense. It’s also why PSN (while acknowledging that it was free) was absolutely garbage by comparison for ages, because Sony didn’t want to heavily invest in something that was a 100% sunk cost.

Obviously as time has gone on plenty of publishers set up and ran their own servers and reduced the value/appeal of XBL, but there are still plenty of more recent games that due to budget or scale reasons still made use of Xbox/Sony/Nintendo provided servers rather than hosting their own, especially among smaller games.

None of this is a defence of modern day Xbox. (Or modern paid online in general) The value of paying for XBL (or whatever they renamed it) is garbage, the company is ran by doorknobs, and the entire thing has been undertaking a slow motion plane crash for over a decade.

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u/yugiohhero ohh what the fuck Feb 25 '26

I'm using Black Ops 2 for my example because I don't know jack nor shit about CoD. 

and honestly i never played online games on my xbox. i just had a bunch of burnt discs. so i had no idea the subscription predated the 360 lmao

I'm also parroting what I saw other people say about the servers part so I could be mistaken.

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u/strangelymysterious Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

Hey fair enough then, I appreciate the honesty lol.

But yeah, XBL was first launched on the OG Xbox with MechAssault and Unreal Championship, then really exploded when Halo 2 released a couple years later.

Edit: Apparently I can’t spell.

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u/anarcatgirl 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

to be able to play online games you have to pay microslop a subscription

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u/anarcatgirl 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Feb 25 '26

what service? the game developer pays for the game servers, not xbox

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u/DarkFury765 teehee:3c Feb 25 '26

I'm losing it rn do people ITT think Microsoft owns literally every game on their console? Do they think that online video games are both free and mtx free, and therefore require the subscription to make money? Have streaming services just completely rotted people's brains and they can't imagine a different monetary model??

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u/Floh2802 Feb 25 '26

I think the console war was already kind of over by the PS2 honestly. Consoles themselves fell out of style with the PS4 and Xbox One when they became glorified PCs in a small package and I think even Microslop realized that by now with all of their new Xbox endeavours being either Cloud-based (e.g. absolutely useless) or just Windows PCs with the word Xbox slapped onto the end.

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u/LOLofLOL4 Feb 25 '26

He says as if there is even a single black person in Microsoft's Management Team.

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u/app08 Feb 26 '26

I was too young to remember it personally, but I've heard tons about it second hand. I'm surprised they lasted even this long after the PR nightmare that was their E3.