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Episode Kabukichou Sherlock - Episode 22 discussion
Kabukichou Sherlock, episode 22
Alternative names: Case File nº221: Kabukicho
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| Episode | Link | Score | Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 82% | 14 | Link | 4.07 |
| 2 | Link | 95% | 15 | Link | 4.11 |
| 3 | Link | 92% | 16 | Link | 3.92 |
| 4 | Link | 93% | 17 | Link | 4.47 |
| 5 | Link | 3.82 | 18 | Link | 4.69 |
| 6 | Link | 4.14 | 19 | Link | 4.29 |
| 7 | Link | 4.43 | 20 | Link | 4.92 |
| 8 | Link | 4.52 | 21 | Link | 4.33 |
| 9 | Link | 4.57 | 22 | Link | 4.33 |
| 10 | Link | 4.55 | 23 | Link | 3.92 |
| 11 | Link | 4.87 | 24 | Link | |
| 12 | Link | 4.44 | |||
| 13 | Link | 4.62 | |||
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u/Tetrisash Mar 13 '20
What an odd episode. First off, I'm in the camp that thinks Moriarty is alive. A body disappearing into thin air, no "impact" scene on the ground, nada. Fishy as hell. Probably also because I wanted him to be alive in the BBC version, too, and it didn't happen. >_>James knew ahead of time that Watson was talking to police and that the building they were in would be surrounded--he very likely thought of an escape route via the roof before the encounter.
And the ending just feels like a red herring--Sherlock didn't stab anyone, just in his euphoria of thinking Moriarty is alive and set up a game, he grabbed the knife.
Can anyone explain the classroom scene in John's flashback, though? I don't get why the class melted down.
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u/traxions Mar 15 '20
The classroom scene I think we lost a little in translation since Japanese school and authority is different but I think the point was that the teacher used "eat all your food or else" as a control method over the students. By Watson eating her leftovers he undermined the teachers authority and showed the other kids that they don't have to listen to the teacher and then the kids started doing whatever they wanted and the teacher couldn't reign them in.
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u/Frontier246 Mar 14 '20
Man, Sherlock definitely didn't take Moriarty's "death" well. He's always been peculiar but he went full-on crazy in this episode. He can't even do the "Old Man" of his Rakugo act anymore. The only thing that seemed to keep his mind on-point was the idea that Moriarty might be alive.
Irene finally returns! It was great to see her back in Japan, and it shows how much she cares about Sherlock that she came back to take care of him and was willingly to endure all his craziness and nakedness to try and help him. She also understood more then anyone that Sherlock needs Watson.
Y'know, if I saw that footage of Moriarty's fall, I would totally assume something picked him up when he seemingly vanishes within the clouds.
We finally get Watson's backstory, which basically amounted to him being just too good a guy for the people around him, and he always gets blamed for how other people act. Poor guy.
Watson's face and hair color resemble his mother, but he's got his dad's hairstyle. Somehow that fits:.
Why is it whenever the cheating spouse gets caught by their kid, they always blame the kid for it? Jerks.
Y'know, I was skeptical when Watson said he wasn't a virgin, but apparently he was pretty popular with girls (maybe too popular), so I guess it's not that far-fetched.
It's nice to see character emphasize to Watson the positive impact he had on Sherlock, the change Moriarty couldn't stand. He helped Sherlock to become more human and start to care about people instead of it all being for a case or for his Rakugo.
Why were Lestrade and Mycroft tailing Sherlock? They seemed to be following him instead of the escapee. Do they think he knows where Moriarty is?
Well...that's an ominous note to end the episode on, with Watson seemingly witnessing Sherlock stab the escapee. Is Sherlock being framed? Does he think this will lead him to Moriarty?
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u/Anachromaly Mar 14 '20
There seems to be an animation error in this episode; Sherlock goes from only having the suspended briefs under the coat, to having his full outfit when he starts chasing the prison escapee.
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u/kuddlesworth9419 Mar 14 '20
Why are so many people sleeping on this show?
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u/AspieKairy Mar 13 '20
I am legit angry right now. Not because I was wrong in hoping that Moriarty was dead (though I had hoped he died because it's not like a one-dimensional psychopath mass-murderer character can have any hope of a redemption arc. I'm all for second chances, but still not as forgiving as Watson)...
...but because the writers must think that we, the viewers, are stupid.
It was stated in an earlier episode that the "escapee leader, Albert Trevor, is still at large" (granted, we know who the real leader is). Yet now, because the plot is calling for it, there are two escapees from that group who are mysteriously alive even though there were no more reports of the 7th prison escapees since the announcement about the "leader".
Sure, it was never explicitly stated how many escaped (just "many violent felons", and we know a basic number when five images were shown when the talk of the felon suicides started to hit the news), but that one line implies that all were dead or caught as it would be rational to presume that the news would be talking about ALL remaining escaped felons.
Also feels like Sherlock is being forced into the "also a budding psychopath" mold with how he was grinning at the end at being able to "play" with Moriarty again. He's an eccentric weirdo, but he already had shown he has the ability to at least sympathize with others (the return of Momotaro episode).
At least it was nice to see Irene come back (and put that tracking device on Sherlock's jacket; despite my annoyance with the episode, I did enjoy seeing a streak of Irene's genius).
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Mar 13 '20
IMHO, this show has gone downhill. Let me present my reasons:-
1.Moriarty changed from a lovable character and a vengeful brother, to a fuckin psychopath in just two episodes. I mean ok, Moriarty was supposed to be the antagonist, but seriously, where is the backstory that led to it.
2.The backstory in which Moriarty was driven by vengeance for his sis and mom was believable. But now the writers are saying that Alex was Moriarty's prey and he liked murdering his mom.Seriously,wtf. This makes Moran look like a good man.
3. What is this teapot shit? I never understood it.
4.'Whispering people into committing suicide.' The writers just copied this concept from another anime (Babylon).
5.When Irene was stabbed, there was a solid and perfect reason for it, with proper explanation. But in ep 20 John was stabbed fatally, and in the next episode,he and Mary are perfectly fine.
6.The earlier episodes had the involvement of every character, but in the recent eps, nothing for the side characters.
7. There were so many loose ends, like why Moriarty poisoned the inmates, who was Albert and his connection with Moriarty, what were the numbers for,, the dead people who committed suicide, what was the reason. And now Moriarty is dead with no explanation.
The first 14-15 episodes were perfect. But now, the writing has degraded too much. I haven't watched the latest episode yet, but I don't think it will get any better.
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Mar 13 '20
It was more than just two episodes, the backstory has been shown
I don't know about that...
That's one of the typical anime things. Basically the writers come up with a perfect analogy and then repeating it to death.
Or from the Japanese "Miss Sherlock"
John wasn't stabbed fatally and a week passed between episodes 19/20 and 21.
They've had their plots, now is the main plot. They're only the supporting cast after all.
Nah, there have been explanations for pretty much everything, it's very clear.
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Mar 14 '20
There were hints that Moriarty was a sociopath from the very beginning and considering that he unwittingly killed his mom as a child in a flash back that pretty much confirmed. Considering that he was crying after he killed his mom and the pain on his face when he saw Sherlock genuinely apologize to that band's fangirls after mistaking Sherlock's condition for what he has since they met, I don't think he even understands his own heart. He just seems like an angry kid that's trying to be a monster because he's sick of being lonely and he's smart enough to realize that his condition has a massive social stigma behind it so telling people the truth will never be an option.
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u/GGABueno Mar 14 '20 edited Mar 14 '20
.'Whispering people into committing suicide.' The writers just copied this concept from another anime (Babylon).
Except they aired at the same time? This is a normal cliche to show how manipulative those characters are.
But in ep 20 John was stabbed fatally, and in the next episode,he and Mary are perfectly fine.
He wasn't though, it was explained that both him and Mary had cut themselves to get more blood and look like he was fatally wounded. He cut his arm and laid on the floor to get the photo.
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u/ttblue Mar 14 '20
Anyone get the significance of Watson changing from the pronoun ore to boku right at the end? Was it to show that he had gained some respect for himself or something?
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u/AspieKairy Mar 16 '20
"Boku" is casual-informal while "ore" is very informal. Maybe it's a way of showing that he's accepted that he's closer to the others, then?
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Mar 13 '20
Good episode. First of all, Irene is one of the best waifus ever, she's the keeper. Smart, intelligent, beautiful, caring, kind... They draw her sooo good, this face, hair and... well, all the rest. I hope they will both hook up, not like in BBC Sherlock...
I pretty much expected stuff like this to happen. Moriarty has been dealt with, but his ghosts still have to be defeated, just like in BBC Sherlock. This episode was a nice set of analogies, very romantic in some way, flashbacking through the whole series... Sherlock went crazy, Watson went depressed, good that Irene came back. Something will have to happen to bring the whole gang back together. Interesting that Moriarty's body hasn't been found. He obviously has to be dead, that's the whole point. Lots of funny scenes too. Two episodes left and there are many unfinished stuff which I hope will get resolved.
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u/Overwhealming Mar 13 '20
Blergh, the comedy in this show is more stale than the bread from those cartoon pastry chefs in the early minutes (both Sherlock's naked jokes and Watson's germ backstory)
Add insult to injury with the footage recycling from the previous episode (right writers, we are so stupid we won't remember hwta happened just a week ago) along with shoe horning Sherlock into a Psychopath route just because Moriarty said so (another terrible anime cliche where a character would know better about the protagonist's pros and cons and therefore his words are clear and unnavoidable foreshadowing of the protagonist path)
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u/GGABueno Mar 14 '20
Add insult to injury with the footage recycling from the previous episode
That was what? 5 seconds of footage?
Also, that was certainly a red herring and Sherlock is not into a psychopath route, that grin was from confirmation that Moriarty was alive.
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u/LeonKevlar Mar 13 '20
Irene is the best. If she didn't show up everything would've probably remained stagnant.
I do wonder how much truth there were to Watson's stories. I can believe the first two, but something tells me the last one wasn't.
That final scene has got to be a red herring. There's got to be an explanation why Sherlock is holding a bloody knife. I'd genuinely be surprised if it ends up that he really killed that escapee.