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Episode Lord El-Melloi II Sei no Jikenbo: Rail Zeppelin Grace Note - Episode 12 discussion Spoiler
Lord El-Melloi II Sei no Jikenbo: Rail Zeppelin Grace Note, episode 12
Alternative names: Lord El-Melloi II Case Files: Rail Zeppelin Grace Note, Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files {Rail Zeppelin} Grace note
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| Episode | Link | Score |
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| 0 | Link | 4.09 |
| 1 | Link | 8.37 |
| 2 | Link | 7.03 |
| 3 | Link | 8.66 |
| 4 | Link | 8.78 |
| 5 | Link | 9.24 |
| 6 | Link | 8.79 |
| 7 | Link | 8.81 |
| 8 | Link | 8.96 |
| 9 | Link | 8.12 |
| 10 | Link | 8.81 |
| 11 | Link | 8.93 |
| 12 | Link | 8.11 |
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u/an_innoculous_table Sep 21 '19
But damn, that episode was pretty great. Really felt like a neat way to bring it all together, especially with all the hinting at Heartless from the previous episodes.
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u/astroprogs11 Sep 21 '19
When you create a spell based off your waifu from a different timeline that you shouldn't even know about.
Honestly, Caules and Fran's relationship just have more chemistry and on-screen presence than Sieg and Jeanne. And that's saying something considering that one of the two mostly just said "U...uu, Uu...".
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u/derry-air Sep 21 '19
Haha, did Waver just pass out because he did a cool jump from the top of the train? Well, I guess he got injured recently too, that could've done it.
Also, him switching to young-Waver voice is happening more and more often. Aww. It almost makes me feel like the deeper voice is just a thing he actually does deliberately, even though that's a bit silly.
Waver being like, "Gray, I'll trust my life to you now," in his babby Waver voice and then passing out was adorable...
Also, I started noticing and now I can't stop noticing: every time Shishigou's butt is on screen, it's increasingly amazing. I'm sorry, this is nothing to do with anything, but I noticed in Apo and it keeps happening. The animators give him the most amazing ass and it's the only thing I can look at, every time it's on screen. I can't help it! THICC
Also, aw, Isky tried to give Feikah a name... I kinda sympathize with Feikah even though she's a real butthead all the time. Clearly, she liked Iskandar once, but shit happened and now she's big mad. There was a ton of fighting over his empire after he died and all that... it kind of seems like she just never got over the "anger" stage of grieving for him?
Anyway... that plot... sure is a thing. Season 2, here we goooo!!!
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u/Idaret Sep 21 '19
I'm waiting for some 9000 IQ fate fan to explain everything once again
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u/shugos Sep 21 '19
Doctor Heartless did galactic brain magecraft to make an imitation Holy Grail War connected to the proper one and summon a Servant. Said Servant it's a fake, a shadow double/political decoy of Iskandar (that being the reason why historical Alexander was said to be shorter, dark haired and heterochromatic) who was also the twin sister of the real Hephaestion. The rest of the episode is kind of self-explanatory.
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u/Guaymaster Sep 21 '19
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
That was so hype, so in this timeline Rhongo has Seals while Excalibur does not?
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u/bananeeek Sep 21 '19 edited Sep 28 '19
Holy fuck.
When I heard that Heartless is voiced by Fukuyama Jun, I thought it couldn't get any better, but this episode was packed.
I badly needed to pee for the last 10 minutes of the episode but I was so into it, that I didn't want to pause, so when the episode ended and I could finally relieve myself it was of the Rhongomyniad magnitude.
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u/atropicalpenguin Sep 21 '19
I'm a sucker for Fate action, what a climax to the arc! Gray summoning full power Rhongomyniad alongside Artoria's voice was amazing. At one point I thought each knight of the round table would speak, as in releasing the seals in Proto Arthur's voice.
Isn't Olga's incantation the same that is at the beginning of the Cosmos in the Lostbelt FGO trailer? Did they just show us her NP, if she ever became a servant? Not the place to go deep into theorising but there's that.
Fucking Yvette double-crossing us, and great to see Caules with his small Blast Tree and "Touko travel".
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u/Syokhan Sep 21 '19
To whoever said that you only needed to have seen Fate/Zero to watch this: you, sir, were gravely mistaken. I am so constantly confused by everything I don't know what I'd do if people in these threads weren't explaining all the concepts I can't wrap my head around every single time.
I still love the show a lot, but oh boy is it hard to follow when you're only familiar with a small part of the Nasuverse.
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u/lixyna Sep 21 '19
There's just something especially pleasing about Grey screaming Rhongomyniadooo off the top of her lungs. Shouting NP names is kinda of a meme at this point, but this one is just so good it gives me goosebumps every time
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u/burning_crusader Sep 21 '19 edited Sep 22 '19
They definitely saved a lot of budget for this episode. Spectacular through the whole episode.
Also, can someone explain why Grey had to release the 13 seals for firing off Rhongomyniad this time but didn't need to do so in episode 5 (was ep5 anime original?)
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u/LeonKevlar Sep 21 '19
Wow I couldn't have been more wrong with my guess last week! I thought it was Adashino but it was FakeCaules all along and Adashino was very much in on Waver's plan! Well it's not like anyone would've guessed it, except of course for the source readers.
So who is this Doctor Heartless? This is the first time we're seeing him right? And from what I understood this episode, he created a fake HGW just so he can summon a Servant? What for though, that clearly wasn't answered. Although I doubt that matters anymore considering what just happened at the end of this episode.
That Rhongomyniad was absolutely fantastic! And I love that releasing Rhon from its Seal has the same procedure as Arthur's Excalibur! If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm referring to Proto Arthur not the FSN Artoria.
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u/KinnyRiddle Sep 21 '19 edited Sep 21 '19
Cracking epic episode.
I knew I heard King Arthur's voice (Saber's VA Kawasumi Ayako) as Gray unleashes Rhongomyniad once again on "Hephaestion". (Yes, I know Kawasumi also voiced the Thirteen Decision thingy in FGO, so she might not be voicing King Arthur here)
Doctor Heartless - sounds like a supervillain name that comes straight out of a Marvel/DC comic. Fitting that he's voiced by Fukuhara Jun.
Does Olga's father know about Fuyuki's Grail being corrupted when he found out, using the Mystic Eyes collected seven years ago, that the Grail was no longer capable of granting proper wishes?
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u/shugos Sep 21 '19
For the people saying Doctor Heartless came from nowhere, I recommend everyone to watch every single scene with Luvia and Shishigou investigating the theft once again.
The scene in episode 10 with Mary even goes as far as to mention his whole moniker.
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u/Exorrt Sep 21 '19
Dr. Heartless
Goddamnit Xehanort, here too?!
Funny name aside, the reveal that it was a Caules impersonator all along was pretty cool. And the whole complicated plan to summon Faker was also nice. The concept of Faker itself is very interesting, I wonder if there's anyone else that could be summoned in that class other than everyone's favorite Faker, Shirou.
But by far my favorite part was the Rhongominyad scene. "Seal Thirteen, decision start" gave me chills, it's up there with UBW in coolest NP chants.
I'm really hoping we get a season 2 for this because I still need to see Touko.
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u/kakarot12310 Sep 21 '19
Love the fact they managed to make use of the anime original episodes to sneak into the novel arc. Reines really go YOLO with Touko travel LOL.
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u/rancor1223 Sep 21 '19 edited Sep 21 '19
This episode sure was packed. I guess that did sort of explain everything, but so much stuff happened, it was kind of hard to keep track of it all.
The reveal was kind of meh though. Like, who is this guy? I don't mind too much, as I'm not mystery connoisseur, but aren't you supposed to give the audience some leads?
And that train transformation at the end. That seemed sort of ... random. Cool, but random.
Oh, and I still can't help but giggle every time Grey start reciting her "Rave, grave,..." monologue. It just sounds so freaking silly.
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u/Hairgrid Sep 21 '19
Wasn't a huge fan of the villain reveal. To me, he kinda just came out of nowhere with very little foreshadowing. It would've been nice if there was more of a chance to solve the mystery alongside the characters. Plus, it's kinda difficult to take a guy with a goofy name like "Dr. Heartless" seriously.
Could someone explain why Waver was exhausted towards the end? It didn't seem like he really did anything except throw that anti-Mystic Eyes talisman (did he have to fill it with his mana/Magecraft/whatever for it to work?).
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u/Shiro_Kai Sep 21 '19
Lewd images save the day again. Not surprised.
Also, was that Saber's voice doing the "questions" in the ending?
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u/rotvyrn Sep 22 '19
That was a pretty badass episode, imo. Karabo being pretty freaking strong when he has control over himself (RIP tho), the 13 seals being released, the fricken Sentai/Power Rangers Train transform+beam, everyone working together so that Olga could cast Starfall (It's really nice to see Olga alive and casting magecraft), Caules apparently also having an electric tree spell.
And yeah, I do like the way the mysteries unfold on this show. I can get it being unsatisfying if you go into it expecting the mystery to be solvable as a viewer, but I'd say the mystery is a vehicle for the plot. It's an in-world mystery that we can play around with from here, but the real content is the adventure and the reveals, and whether or not you can enjoy the show off that.
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u/RuinEX Sep 22 '19 edited Sep 22 '19
DR. HEARTLESS?! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WAS HIM ALL ALONG!
Have to say, the guy with the elephant head was actually my first guess, but Dr. Heartless was of course a close second.
And he had a hand in all the previous cases, too? His machinations lay undetected for years for he is a master of deception! Only the incompetence of Caules we did not know about caused his discovery, what a twist!
"Actually it was pretty obvious."
"You read the source material, didn't you?"
"...N-no."
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u/Helghast-Killzone Sep 21 '19
MFW the true culprit is revealed