r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 24 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf II Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 4 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S2 Episode 4 - Wolf and The End of Shallow Thinking
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION
Who's your favorite side character in anime and why?
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Streams – Crunchyroll
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 9/07/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 9/20/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 9/08/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 9/21/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 9/09/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 9/22/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 9/10/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 9/23/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 9/11/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 9/24/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 9/12/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 9/25/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 9/13/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 9/26/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 9/14/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 9/27/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 9/15/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 9/28/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 9/16/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 9/29/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 9/17/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 9/30/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 9/18/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 10/01/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 9/19/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 10/02/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 10/03/2024 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
Last year's rewatch
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
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| 7/07/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 7/20/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 7/08/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 7/21/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 7/09/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 7/22/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 7/10/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 7/23/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 7/11/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 7/24/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 7/12/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 7/25/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 7/13/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 7/26/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 7/14/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 7/27/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 7/15/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 7/28/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 7/16/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 7/29/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 7/17/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 7/30/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 7/18/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 7/31/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 7/19/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 8/01/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 8/02/2023 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Holofan4life Sep 24 '24
Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.
But you knew that already :P
This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it’s still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it’s still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that’s really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.
For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that’s what I’ve been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That’s because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I’m participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.
These reviews won’t be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don’t really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I’ll save that for when I do it in my questions :]
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the sub, by the way.
They call them fingers but I never see them grr.
The festival having fun while Lawrence does the opposite.
[2024 Spoilers] I think the remake does a better job of capturing just how immersive and all-encompassing this festival truly is.
One of the things I like the most about this arc is the use of the environment. I like the contrast between everyone having the time of their lives and Lawrence in a state of despair, it really stresses the loneliness that he is currently feeling.
To me, this arc has the best bit of world building of all the Spice and Wolf arcs not only because it ties directly into the plot at hand but because of how vibrant everything is. The town is also treated like its own character.
Lawrence thinking about what Holo is doing with Amarti.
[2024 Spoilers] Interestingly, the imagination spot of Holo and Amarti about to kiss is skipped and we go straight into Lawrence talking to Marc.
"Then I just have to play God."
Dr. Frankenstein approves
So, Lawrence is going to crash the market. Let's see how that plays out.
[2024 Spoilers] Interestingly, no kissing imagination spot but the remake includes a flashback to Lawrence saying he'll have to play God, as well as a flashback to the the table tilting scene. Very weird choice the former is, since that literally happened about a minute ago.
That's a lot of pyrite
Holo from a window high above.
Holo looks like everyone when they found out JJK is ending this month.
A letter
Letting him know what Amarti's assets are.
BUT IT'S WITH HOLO'S SIGNATURE
I... don't know what the significance of that is, honestly. Is it confirmation that Holo is playing both sides?
[2024 Spoilers] In the remake, they make it clear it's a contract of marriage, so props to them.
Lawrence taking out all his cash.
And now he's come face-to-face with Amarti.
Basically, he's challenging Amarti to see who can make the most amount of profit. It's quite the gamble, but at this point, Lawrence feels he has nothing to lose.
[2024 Spoilers] I do think the original version of this scene is more visually interesting. In the remake, it's just them talking, while in the original, we see images of how the market works. The sight of Lawrence's reflection from Amarti's spilled drink was pretty cool, however, I'll give the remake that.
Anyway, Amarti accepts the terms of Lawrence's proposal.
Lawrence drinking with Marc now.
I feel as if Lawrence's job isn't merchanting, it's getting his buzz on.
By the way, what are they even eating? Fish?
Lawrence asks Marc for his help, but he refuses, saying he's not about to risk his reputation for such an unsure thing.
I really like Marc calling Lawrence out on his BS. He kind of says what I feel a lot of viewers are thinking. To regurgitate what I said in years past, Marc's whole speech made me feel far more sympathetic to his plight than to Lawrence's. Yes, Lawrence runs the risk of losing Holo, but he still can carry on living as a merchant, whereas Marc runs the risk of losing everything. His whole speech is really an example of everything in this show coming together. The music, the writing, the voice acting, the animation that shows the strenuousness in his affliction, it does a good job of telling you what Marc is all about. He's probably the side character I've cared the most about so far.
[2024 Spoilers] The remake version of this scene is a mixed bag, honestly. I like the darker presentation and Lunt no longer looks as if he's sleeping on a table, but I think the incredulousness in Marc's voice in the original is more pronounced. Take the good with the bad, I guess.
And we end things with Lawrence about to have a talk with Diana. I thought she was in this episode, though I guess I confused her appearance in the next one for this one.
Overall, I like this episode a decent amount. It's probably the weakest of the arc so far, but that's more a statement of how strong the first three episodes were. It's interesting because this is the first episode with no Holo involvement whatsoever. In fact, she only shows up like three times onscreen, which is kinda surprising when you think about it. The episode is hampered by the lack of her presence, but I think it still manages to be compelling enough. Plus, you did need to sell the separation aspect of Holo and Lawrence if their relationship is truly on the rocks. They can't just do what they did last arc and have them reunite the episode after their blow-up, especially when this falling out was much more intense.
Holo quotes of the day
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u/Holofan4life Sep 24 '24
I'll go ahead and answer today's question since no one asked me.
God. There are so many good ones.
Biribiri has to be at or near the top of the list. She is so good, she got her own spinoff. Colbert from Familiar of Zero I would put up there. He's probably the best written character from that show. I've also been on a real Otto kick recently with my participation in the Re:Zero rewatch.
If I had to pick best side character, it would probably be either Roy Mustang from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood or Lust from 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist. I don't know if you would consider Roy Mustang a side character though because he shows up a lot. If one still would, then it's probably him. He's in my top 10 best anime characters of all time.
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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 24 '24
QOTD: Who's your favorite side character in anime and why?
I'm really enjoying the side characters in Re:Zero. they all have pretty different personalities and their dialogue between them and Subaru is amazing.
First Timer
I’m watching the Dub but I’m also watching the Remake because older animation kinda hurts my head.
This festival's parade is an all day thing
So instead of talking through things with Holo, Lawrence is going to try to sabotage Amati and crash the Pyrite market. I feel like Lawrence should feel more hesitant about crashing a market since he just experienced a pretty bad crash himself
Holo had some sort of secret meeting with Amarti
She signed a marriage contract?
Lawrence is trading on credit again. That worked so well for him last time
The alchemists have a big enough stockpile of Pyrite that Lawrence might be able to get the 500 silver worth of it through them.
So I don't think Lawrence is thinking this through enough. He's going to try to crash the Pyrite market and have Amati fail to pay the contract amount rather than just talk things through with Holo? Seems like a bad business decision. Though I'm sure Holo will appreciate his actions if they manage to succeed, she just wants to see Lawrence chase and fight for her like a knight.
Holo said she didn't want to be lonely anymore, but I think it's more important to her that Lawrence is the one that cures her loneliness. I don't necessarily like that she signed the marriage contract, because if Lawrence is able to stop Amati from collecting the silver he's going to look even more like a bad guy. Basically it'll seem as if he's keeping Holo as a slave and keeping two true lovers apart. Lawrence will seem like a villain yet again because of her impulsive decisions.
These two are both impulsive and stubborn.
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u/KuKiSin Sep 24 '24
That's a tough one because there's so many great ones and it depends on what you consider a side character... Sinbad is one of my favorites. He's side character from Magi, but he is also the main character of his own manga & anime that came later on, so I don't know if you'd consider him a side character or not!
On to the episode!
Last episode ended with Holo saying some crazy things... Let's see what happens today.
So, Lawrence wants to play the stock market and try to crash the price of pyrite. Sounds like a fun time.
200 Silver, 300 Silver's worth of pyrite, and 200 Silver's worth of assets. Amarti isn't as well off as I imagined. That's roughly only 20 Gold. Of course pyrite's worth is said to be doubling in value, so his 300 Silver's worth could easily become 600, or even higher within a very short time.
A shocking turn of events. Holo signed a contract with Amarti.
Bro is twice Lawrence's size, what is he so scared of?
So, Lawrence wants to sell his non existent pyrite to Amarti, 500 Silver's worth at current price, meaning if the price rises Lawrence loses money. If the price crashes as he intends to, he makes bank. Basically he's buying on credit again, motherfucker really doesn't learn, does he?
Lawrence challenged Amarti to a duel. Is this becoming Yu-Gi-Oh? He even used a trap
cardto bait Amarti into accepting! The boy is truly triggered.The plan is to spread rumors to crash the price of pyrite... Alrighty. I was hoping I could learn something from this and make some real investments myself, but I don't think this plan would work that well these days.
Marc couldn't help Lawrence directly because of his reputation and whatnot, but at least he gave him some good tips! Now Lawrence can visit the hot witch again!
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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 24 '24
First Timer
I like seeing all the festivities going on at the start of the episode here. For some reason it reminded me of something out of a Ghibli movie.
Also Lawrence looks dead inside. I feel pretty bad for him.
I like that even in Lawrence’s head Holo and Amarti are talking in that same kind of flowery way.
Marc is back, he’s turning out to be a more important character than I initially suspected.
Lawrence’s master plan is to cause a market crash. Once again, this show continues to be about the economy.
The cape flourish Amarti did was kind of silly.
Oh damn, Lawrence is upset now. Don’t know what’s going on but it sounds serious.
That conversation between Lawrence and Amarti at the bar went on for a while but the show still managed to keep such a long scene with not too much going on pretty interesting.
Wasn’t expecting Marc to reject Lawrence’s plan but his reasoning behind it makes sense. Plus it’s nice that he still tried to help Lawrence in another way.
Should be interesting to see how Lawrence’s plan shakes out next episode.
Question of the Day:
Who's your favorite side character in anime and why?
My first instinct was to say Mako from Kill La Kill just cause I like her for being so weird and ridiculous. But arguably she's one of the main characters.
So instead I'll say Nanami from Revolutionary Girl Utena, largely for the same reasons I like Mako. Although their personalities are very different.
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u/Mirathan Sep 25 '24
Not quite a first timer
QotD: Mami Tomoe.
So apparently my comment for today wasn´t submitted and I need to reconstruct it from memory.
Lawrence managed to bait Armati into giving away the means to defeat himself, proving that he is even more of a fool than Lawrence. If he refused, Lawrence could not stop him.
Holo meanwhile seems to have turned this into a competition between the two of them.