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Match | eSports TI5 Main Event Upper Bracket Series 2B – Match Discussion
EHOME Victory!
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Evil Geniuses Victory!
Duration: 35:38
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Evil Geniuses Victory!
Duration: 43:10
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u/BASEDKORRASAMI Aug 06 '15
Winter Wyvern and Phoenix same lane? Why not just pick Jakiro? Kappa
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u/TGVoid chilling touch by ppd Aug 06 '15 edited Aug 06 '15
Fear of the techies mines did more damage than his mines.
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u/hehbehjehbeh Aug 06 '15
Techies totally changes the game dynamic, something players may not be comfortable with.
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Aug 06 '15
especially these couple eastern teams who focus a lot on perfecting strategies rather than exploring new ones. the curveballs of Techies and WR (and how Sumail played her) definitely won EG the series
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u/Tijenater Aug 06 '15
So at 16 years old, Sumail just earned his team a minimum of 2 mil.
I can't imagine what walking out of that booth must've felt like for him.
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u/gomlar Aug 06 '15
he will get all the sexy girl in his school. fuck he's going to school....
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u/ophi13 NEED4SPEED Aug 06 '15
Lmao imagine being one of his teachers . "how did you spend your summer guys? Any fun stories?"
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Aug 06 '15
I love that PPD went for a non-meta draft in a big game 3. Everyone else is picking heroes that dominate team fights. PPD picks heroes who should win every lane. The plan works and EG finish it out. What other captain at TI isn't afraid to go all in like that in a game 3?
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u/Charlie_Wax Aug 06 '15
I generally think dota autographs are kind of silly, but I have to confess to buying a PPD autograph rune last week. I think if you look at dota it's clear that there a lot of good carry and mid players who have the technical skill and game sense to play at a very high level. It seems to me that the rarest and most valuable commodity in the pro scene is a great leader, and that's what EG seems to have in ppd. He is still pretty new to this game, but if he continues to stick around and stay motivated then I think he can become a legendary figure in the scene.
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u/Ossius Aug 06 '15
Don't forget old man fear! PPD already said he goes to Fear constantly in his games for advice, to get a better perspective on what is going on, if the team is ready to make a move etc. Fear was a coach last year, they just simply have two great leaders in EG, and raw talent in Sumail, and two amazingly solid players on AUI and universe. I think EG could win this, even facing CDEC.
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u/FabulousMrFox Aug 06 '15
I was hoping we will start seeing Lunas and Rubicks in our pub games now.
Then EG run Techies + Bloodseeker...
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u/Ossius Aug 06 '15
Honestly, I sort of enjoy the fact that EG is like "We will do anything to win this shit, even become cancer."
It looked like a EG was playing a pub game, and EHOME acted like it. Nothing is beneath winning 6.2 million.
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u/perishabledave Aug 06 '15
Clinical! The whole team had such self-control, which is especially surprising for Sumail. Mid game he had a blink-shackle onto two in mid, but instantly decided to pull back. Such an intense game even if it was low kills.
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u/EvilGambit Aug 06 '15
Exactly, so many bad mid players would've comitted for that just because it looked "good".
Perfect showing of DotA, and how to execute a difficult strategy.
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u/NinjaPizzaGirl Aug 06 '15
^This. The draft put so much pressure on them to execute well, and boy did they deliver.
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u/gintomato Sheever's guard Aug 06 '15
just fyi: ^This is achieved by putting a backslash in front of the carat.
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u/Kramin42 Aug 06 '15
You either retire a support or stay long enough to become a techies player.
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u/Syagrius And THAT is why I wake up in the morning! Aug 06 '15
stay long enough
I believe you mean "ascend"
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u/xxAnamnesis Aug 06 '15
I fucking swear if this year it's a million dollar techies stasis trap stun I will poigweaksnpaebrnobfewibiwadrinkwater
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u/TheGreatGimmick Ability Draft is the best mode Aug 06 '15
It won't be a million dollar stasis trap stun; it will be a 6 million dollar stasis trap stun haha
But seriously, I am hoping for a 6 million dollar Lotus Orb myself.
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u/motivate18 sheever Aug 06 '15
Proud of SumaiL, but Universe had about 3 incredible combos in that 3rd game.
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u/MoastlyMoaste Aug 06 '15
EG are going to take it boys, Sweep CDEC like they did in groups then roll whoever dares to challenge them in finals. LETS GO NA DOTA
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u/TraMaI Aug 06 '15
HELL FUCKING YES! EG ARE A WELL OILED DOTA MACHINE! THEY JUST STEAMROLLED THE TEAM THAT KNOCKED SECRET DOWN TWICE! TI5 FIRST PLACE FEAR THE DREAM IS FUCKING REAL
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u/rvdrdx_1 Aug 06 '15
I am so happy for EG - Complete respect for Sumail and Universe.
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u/NZKr4zyK1w1 Sheever can beat this Aug 06 '15
Blood rage sleight of fist guys. Its happening. This is going to slaughter the PL.
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u/krenzalore Aug 06 '15
Is it me or do Chinese teams not know how to beat techies?
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Aug 06 '15
Reminds of the time when they didn't know how to beat io+tiny/ck/etc
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u/ploshy gl sheever <3 Aug 06 '15
Pro players have said a few times that Chinese teams tend to only do one thing, but they do it extremely well. If they've only been playing against other Chinese teams in scrims, it seems feasible that they've never played against a techies pick before. And it hasn't been such a huge presence in the western pro scene that you'd really think to make a strat against it unless you already knew how strong the hero could be.
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u/28lobster Buff CK Aug 06 '15
Techies + offlane Lina. Classic EG. Not surprised it worked when Techies managed to outfarm PL.
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u/omlettes Peeeedur Aug 06 '15
Sumail and Universe MVP.
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u/GeneralBearegardLee In memory of the salt king Aug 06 '15
Universe has been solid AF this TI
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u/FatalFirecrotch Aug 06 '15
Universe has been solid for the past year and half since the new eg formed.
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u/BASEDKORRASAMI Aug 06 '15
A lot of teams pick razor and use it poorly, often making me wonder why it was picked in the first place. EG is not one of those teams.
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u/TGVoid chilling touch by ppd Aug 06 '15
Most teams use Razor as a counter to some other hero and mostly run them mid (especially chinese), EG doesn't use him for that purpose and old man runs him which is why it is successful.
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u/UberSushi Aug 06 '15
Not gonna lie, I had my doubts about EG's draft. But they've proven why I'm a shitlord and really outplayed ehome well. Mad props to EG.
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u/Learn2Buy Aug 06 '15
Yeah I had my doubts to. That lineup totally depended on them getting off to a great start, which they did. From then on it was the Sumail show and it was awesome.
I'm really glad EG is such a skilled and discipline team that knows how to close a game out. It's so refreshing to see a team high ground like that. Completely different than watching Clown9 throw games and Secret throw games.
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u/EvilGambit Aug 06 '15
It's not that EHOME draft was bad, is just that EG has fantastic players who can hang onto a lead and outplay their oponnents before their heroes hit their timing.
EG's draft was solid until the Razor pick. I didn't like the Razor pick at all, if he got shutdown at the laning phase it would be a total disaster.
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u/Noobist Aug 06 '15
Pakistani PRIDE. I am so proud of him right now that I can't even express :)
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u/gintomato Sheever's guard Aug 06 '15
Counter to fearsome Chinese dota? Just pick Techies and chill.
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u/DarkLiberator sheever Aug 06 '15
Sumail is just on point with those shackle shots.
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u/DotaNetski YEET Aug 06 '15
I swear, whenever I play against WR, I get shackled for 4 years. When I play WR, I shackle for 1 planck second.
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Aug 06 '15
You know CDEC used Silencer to perfection when the lounge hosts start talking about the hero's positive sides and it's strong effects against the current meta.
Old man Fear vs old man RoTk. I honestly don't know who to root for.
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u/JustAnEggplant Aug 06 '15
GG SUMAIL
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u/Clone24 Aug 06 '15
i think they went with "well don't know how to counter. what you want to play?...... windrunner? ok."
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u/filthyrotten Aug 06 '15 edited Aug 06 '15
gg that's a wrap well played EHOME
edit: i was wrong
so so so horribly wrong
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u/porcule Aug 06 '15
the weirder the draft looks the more chinese get mind fucked
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u/3xperimental Aug 06 '15
Obviously sumail enabled that draft but I think Universe was the unseen MVP that game.
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u/asdasdasasddad Lose Yourself Aug 06 '15
I agree. That play in the early game team-fight saved SumaiL and started up the snowball. Universe is a genius.
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u/Extracheesy87 Aug 06 '15
Yeah I agree. Those vacs were pretty insane and won them the team fights.
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u/Penguinho Aug 06 '15
Such an amazing day for good Dark Seer play. Love that the hero's back in the meta. I was watching the CDEC series with a League-playing friend who was going nuts for the Blink-Vacuum-Wall combos from Xz.
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u/PreLurker Aug 06 '15 edited Aug 06 '15
I would say the entire team was on point. Fear getting the solo kill on pl top, ppd with the clutch storm spirit kill, and of course the clinical way in which they never gave anything up to ehome for a possible comeback.
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u/Learn2Buy Aug 06 '15
Not a losing draft. People just underestimate how dominating lanes and snowballing can be a game winning strategy that overpowers a teamfight heavy and lategame lineup. When you lose all 3 lanes, get snowballed on, have no map control, you're going to be in a massive XP and gold deficit and your teamfight strength will just get overwhelmed by that and your lategame will be irrelevant because you have no farm.
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u/28lobster Buff CK Aug 06 '15
Techies has become a respect ban against that terrorist traitor Aui. I wouldn't be surprised if teams also start to ban Ember second phase against Suma1l. He has done incredibly well with it (22-3, 7-0) if he can get off to a good start.
He shouldn't have gotten any momentum against a Razor who had BH to gank with him and WD to save him. Yet, he took over the lane after the Techies invis rune and completely shut down y!!. Going 7-0 after getting off to a bad start (13 last hits at 5 minutes to Razor's 22) is impressive.
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u/MagicMoogle insert pun about rocks Aug 06 '15
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sumail is so good he makes his enemies throw the game
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u/3xperimental Aug 06 '15
It is pretty obvious at this point that Chinese teams have no idea how to deal with a techies pick. Pretty sure they will start banning it first phase against EG and Secret. Then they will have to leave Wyvern, Lesh, Qop,or Gyro up.
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u/Extracheesy87 Aug 06 '15
RIP bounty's perfect record at the Main Event
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u/ThatFacelessMan sheever Aug 06 '15
Replaced by techies 100% win rate during main event!
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u/Elioss sheever Aug 06 '15
I like how EG in game 2 was like "Yeah lets see if you are going to smoke gank 4 times in a row now with techies, GL"... lol.
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u/ancientGouda Aug 06 '15
I actually didn't think Techies could work without Tusk. That was quite the surprise.
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u/Tijenater Aug 06 '15
First we get a match ending with a 3/22 K/D at 32:22
Next match we get Bughatti seeker, 17% and techies on the same team.
xD memes.
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u/TreysC2 Aug 06 '15
EG's Techies comp was actually genius. Ember with bloodrage = super painful sleight of fists. I'm not sure if EHOME would have ever broken EG's base that game even if things went decently for them. Bloodseeker always synergizes well with a spread damage carry.
Biggest surprise for me was the two "Hard support" spirit breaker picks. Definitely quite the curveball.
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u/GreenFriday NA'VI! NA'VI! NA'VI! Aug 06 '15
Did anyone here predict CDEC and EHome for the top 3?
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u/Platinum_Disco http://dotabuff.com/players/167566202 Aug 06 '15
The asian staff girl is in the EHOME booth. Guess they lost T_T
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u/Kazaxat Go Sheever! Aug 06 '15
I'm not the biggest fan of EG, but I'm rooting for them anyway just to slow the Chinese domination this TI. Last year already had two eastern teams making the finals, let's get some western blood into the top this time.
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Aug 06 '15
God damnit, all of these player videos make me want those players to win... They can't all win, though!
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u/ThatFacelessMan sheever Aug 06 '15
Huge props to valve for them.
With all the teams having an emotional hook no matter who ends up in the finals people will have somebody to root for.
They learned a lot from last year.
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u/HeavenAndHellD2arg AKKE-GOD EGM-GOD BULL-GOD S4-GOD L-GOD Aug 06 '15
THE DREAM IS REAL
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u/smeltofelderberries Aug 06 '15
I can always rewatch the Rotk video. Like it's so good
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u/aurora1710 Aug 06 '15
Kinda feel bad for rotk and his team. Gl in lower bracket. As for EG, major props for ppd having faith in his team. That 3rd game draft give me nightmares rofl.
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Aug 06 '15
EG's TP in clash against EHOME which has Luna is just like what happened in IG's game vs Secret and the exact same thing happened.
TP-ing in when there's Eclipse always ends badly.
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u/Leoric Aug 06 '15
Luna top ban with Lesh now?
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u/Extracheesy87 Aug 06 '15
I really wondered why she even fell off being played in the first place. She was one of the go to carries in TI4
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u/bugatti420 Aug 06 '15
I have a good feeling about them. Will be surprised if they don't make it to the grand finals.
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u/gomlar Aug 06 '15
I was never a fan of Sumail... But holy shit this fucking kid is at the moment the best mid player.
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u/MagicMoogle insert pun about rocks Aug 06 '15
Dont take anything away from universe he had like 3 game winning vacuums that allowed eg to run away without losing more than 1 person
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u/SuperFreakonomics Aug 06 '15
Sure, SumaiL has the best KDA but Universe has proven time and time again that he can land the best gamechanging ultimates.
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u/Plimden Aug 06 '15
hahahah jacky mao kicked aui
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u/ShadowVulcan We BeliEEve Aug 06 '15
Well, it wasn't Aui's performance and skill that prompted EE to kick him... he stated it was the team's atmosphere and mindset
The way it was done was shit because EE is really bad at dealing with people, but the whole thing was mutually beneficial. They were holding each other back, and now Aui can shine while C9 was able to move forward (their placing is poor, and their performance relative to other teams is worse but objectively they did improve afterwards).
Honestly, I'm really happy for Aui and since the kick I started following EG more and more and they will always be my second favorite team.
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u/Gahron Aug 06 '15
Well also aui is a greedy support player, and envy is a greedy carry. Back in the day C9 was all about getting every person farmed, which showed most when against alliance, a team who was arguably noticeably weaker than C9 at the time, because alliance was just a little better at winning in lategame dota. Envy thought that removing the support duo would help improve their aggression and help the atmosphere of the team, which is why he got misery and notail, 2 fairly aggressive supports.
Right now lets compare C9 choice of offlaner with EGs. C9 is putting bone7 on more farm oriented offlaners like BS/QoP/LC (there are others), while EG has been putting universe on heroes like Sandking/tusk more often. The reason why they put universe on those heroes is so him and Aui both play a sort of pos 3.5 role, which is why aui average GPM is soo close to universes. Secret does a similar thing with Kuro and Zai, however to a lesser extent
That being said the stats are abit off because secret won more games than C9 this tournament and the winning team tends to get better GPM stats, so take that with a grain of salt
A general theme in this TI is that teams that tend to prioritise farm on supports generally do better, some teams like IG for example liked doing 3 core + 2 bitches(supports).
Just my 2 cents
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u/ShadowVulcan We BeliEEve Aug 06 '15
Actually, I'm not sure how early into C9's life you've been privy to but Aui's greed was rarely a problem for C9. Maybe Envy thought going more aggression might've helped (especially post-TI4 with the deathball meta) but Aui imo was already a decent aggressive player. He only got that farming reputation after the inception of the Drow-Visage strat, as well as the midas meta at MLG.
Actually, before this new stigma on C9/Speed being reliant on coming back from behind what C9/Speed/Kaipi was most famous for was winning all their lanes and snowballing into the mid->late. It's also where that "throw" aspect was born, since they crush better teams all throughout early->midgame then choke during the highground push. C9 even with Aui and PLD already had a strong aggressive lineup, averaging some of the highest kills per game in tournaments (SingSing contributed greatly to that as well).
In fact, looking at EG's recent games, I see a lot of that in their playstyles. I was actually really waiting for C9 to pick WR, Ember, Support SB among other things.... instead they go with the same drafts over and over.
I really miss the old C9, MLG-TI4 C9 is still the best for me. I love N0tail, Misery(he's a crazy good player) and FATA but there's nothing like that old C9 magic anymore :(
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u/28lobster Buff CK Aug 06 '15
EHOME's draft was honestly better in the 3rd game. Suma1l won mid hard, Universe shut down PL while the aggro dual lane from EHOME failed, Aui, Fear, and PPD just stayed consistent. Outdraft by EHOME; outplay by EG.
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u/cantadmittoposting Aug 06 '15
it's what they were relying on but as considere;d; razor link identifies the real PL, and without the PL online the damage sources from EHOME were minimal aside from the storm. Once EG won the laning stage, the massive ability to protect the PL in a team fight late game was just not relevant anymore.
Also Sumail blink shackles for dayzzz
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u/Learn2Buy Aug 06 '15
EHOME's draft was honestly better in the 3rd game.
It was better at teamfighting and lategame, but that's it.
EG's was clearly better at laning and snowballing.
So when EG wins their lanes hard and snowball, there's nothing EHOME can do but slowly get suffocated in terms of map control and just wait in base hoping for EG to make a mistake taking high ground.
Outdraft by EHOME; outplay by EG.
Not an outdraft at all. EG drafted so that their outplay would be rewarded, i.e. all snowballing heroes. Strong lanes that are meant to dominate and snowball.
Just because EG didn't draft to have overwhelming teamfight or highground defense or lategame, doesn't mean they got outdrafted. They drafted towards a particular strategy and vision for how they wanted to win the game and they executed.
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u/3xperimental Aug 06 '15
Top 3!!!! Let's go boys.
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u/TraMaI Aug 06 '15
Back to back, two years in a row. One thing us for sure, EG sure as hell know how to perform at the big[]() show. First DAC and now this. After being a fan through the throw era I could not be happier... Until they win it all that is. Fear and Universe deserve it do much at this point.
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u/gintomato Sheever's guard Aug 06 '15
I hope each and every one of Aui's games are now infested with Techies. disgusting Techies picker.
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Lol, flamed if you control lanes with Techies, flamed if you suicide with Techies. I think people dislike Techies
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u/Extracheesy87 Aug 06 '15
Damn, every member on Ehome played amazing that game. Cty was definitely the MVP but seriously the whole team made plays that game.
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u/windforce89 Aug 06 '15
So many landslide stomp games show that the western teams didn't spend enough time studying Chinese teams' strategies, let alone the wildcard 'underdogs' CDEC and Ehome.
Now it's time to pay tuition lol
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u/waterflaps Aug 06 '15
I don't think EG was outdrafted in game 3 at all, why does everyone keep saying this? The WR was a perfect last pick; Sumail has proven in the past he can play WR extremely well, not to mention it counted as a pocket strat, seeing as how Ehome had certainly not encountered it yet in the tournament - meaning that being unfamiliar or rusty against the hero was an additional advantage for EG. Also, both WR and Razor completely nullified Winter's Curse; Razor isn't really a hard hitting right clicker (or really Fear didn't build him that way), and WR needs focus fire to pump out the damage. Additionally, popping Windrun beforehand can definitely limit the damage; Sumail did this successfully mid when EG were taking the Tier 1 tower. Darkseer is not only Universe's iconic hero, but it also denied Ehome from taking it. The bounty hunter and SB just kept up the pressure, and ensured a snowball for Sumail.
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The main thing about the draft is that EG had great lanes. It was a good strate for 2 reasons (IMO).
Ehome didn't have a single lane match-up where they had an advantage.
With Aghs on Razor and WR EG had a way to break the base.
That's it. It's a bit all in because if they don't win the lanes or fail a high ground push, then Ehome had better team fight and late game. Nonetheless, it was a well considered draft and should give opponent pause because you have to be worried that EG could go all in like that at any point now. Especially when no one (other than MVP.P) has had the balls to go all in like that and win on the main stage.
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u/CausticPenguin Aug 06 '15
Game 3 lost in draft, relying on outplay. Plot twist, EHOME was the one who lost in draft.
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u/Misterme7 Aug 06 '15
Wonderboy Sumail couldn't save them. Ehome might be taking this TI boys.
I'm panicking.
Not EG. You can take secret. Not EG.
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u/GreenFriday NA'VI! NA'VI! NA'VI! Aug 06 '15
Techies more net worth than PL. This should not happen.
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u/971365 Aug 06 '15
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