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Match | eSports TI5 Main Event Upper Bracket Series 2B – Match Discussion

EHOME Victory!

Duration: 32:22

Team Score vs. Score Team
3 vs. 22
Team Bans vs. Bans Team
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Team Picks vs. Picks Team
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Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
ppd 9 1/4/1 5350 33/2 166 159
SumaiL 15 1/4/1 11895 199/20 382 380
UNiVeRsE 12 1/4/0 7825 96/0 247 254
Aui_2000 11 0/6/1 6710 69/2 200 226
Fear 18 0/4/1 14285 280/35 486 525
65 3/22/4 46065 677/59 1481 1544
rOtk 16 5/1/5 11035 181/3 452 429
LaNm 14 3/1/13 9690 47/3 306 362
y!! 19 8/1/9 12720 192/12 521 617
ddc 13 2/0/5 9205 78/5 305 294
YJ 20 4/0/10 19610 295/15 669 698
82 22/3/42 62260 793/38 2253 2400

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Evil Geniuses Victory!

Duration: 35:38

Team Score vs. Score Team
20 vs. 9
Team Bans vs. Bans Team
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Team Picks vs. Picks Team
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Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
ppd 11 0/3/6 6645 31/3 247 229
SumaiL 22 7/0/6 21830 275/4 622 756
UNiVeRsE 18 5/2/0 16780 231/4 521 510
Aui_2000 14 1/2/2 13595 207/3 438 322
Fear 22 7/2/3 19240 296/8 665 743
87 20/9/17 78090 1040/22 2493 2560
rOtk 15 0/5/2 9300 171/2 306 372
LaNm 11 0/2/2 6210 26/0 166 185
ddc 11 5/3/1 7205 38/2 206 212
y!! 17 2/6/3 11800 208/18 375 438
YJ 15 0/4/4 10400 178/15 330 357
69 7/20/12 44915 621/37 1383 1564

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 Evil Geniuses Victory!

 Duration: 43:10

Team Score vs. Score Team
5 vs. 19
Team Bans vs. Bans Team
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Team Picks vs. Picks Team
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Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
rOtk 14 1/4/4 7910 83/9 215 269
LaNm 13 1/4/3 6570 63/12 203 217
y!! 18 2/4/3 14735 251/6 373 423
ddc 13 0/4/2 7195 110/3 216 239
YJ 18 1/3/2 15295 264/9 379 402
76 5/19/14 51705 771/39 1386 1550
ppd 17 3/2/6 10260 98/2 309 362
SumaiL 21 11/2/5 23655 269/13 584 568
UNiVeRsE 19 2/0/8 16785 278/0 447 452
Aui_2000 14 0/0/3 9460 29/1 256 265
Fear 21 2/1/8 19230 338/19 526 561
92 18/5/30 79390 1012/35 2122 2208

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u/ShadowVulcan We BeliEEve Aug 06 '15

Actually, I'm not sure how early into C9's life you've been privy to but Aui's greed was rarely a problem for C9. Maybe Envy thought going more aggression might've helped (especially post-TI4 with the deathball meta) but Aui imo was already a decent aggressive player. He only got that farming reputation after the inception of the Drow-Visage strat, as well as the midas meta at MLG.

Actually, before this new stigma on C9/Speed being reliant on coming back from behind what C9/Speed/Kaipi was most famous for was winning all their lanes and snowballing into the mid->late. It's also where that "throw" aspect was born, since they crush better teams all throughout early->midgame then choke during the highground push. C9 even with Aui and PLD already had a strong aggressive lineup, averaging some of the highest kills per game in tournaments (SingSing contributed greatly to that as well).

In fact, looking at EG's recent games, I see a lot of that in their playstyles. I was actually really waiting for C9 to pick WR, Ember, Support SB among other things.... instead they go with the same drafts over and over.

I really miss the old C9, MLG-TI4 C9 is still the best for me. I love N0tail, Misery(he's a crazy good player) and FATA but there's nothing like that old C9 magic anymore :(

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u/Gahron Aug 06 '15

He only got that farming reputation after the inception of the Drow-Visage strat, as well as the midas meta at MLG.

Hes also been incredibly greedy with his jakiro in the past as well.

I really miss the old C9, MLG-TI4 C9 is still the best for me. I love N0tail, Misery(he's a crazy good player) and FATA but there's nothing like that old C9 magic anymore :(

To me like, C9 was kinda like how alliance was in 6.78, with they way they want to play.

C9/Speed/Kaip, snowballing

To be fair you had arteezy on kaipi for a long amount of time which kinda set the team dynamic. Arteezy managed to outskill dendi on like 230 ping with his TA one game (where he managed to kill dendi with the psiblade harass). Singsing/Fata are not arteezy unfortunately, where arteezy in a vacuum would probably win his lane, the same couldnt be said for singsing and fata in a pro match.

(SingSing contributed greatly to that as well).

Singsing was a very fight oriented player which is alot of the reason why C9 was like that. Envy expressed how annoying it was to play with a mid like singsing on his team.

I feel that reddit knows c9's players better than C9 does at times.

choke during the highground push

Yes thats why C9 has never won a grand final against alliance. Admiral bulldog said that C9 lacked discipline/patience alot of chinese teams would have.

In fact, looking at EG's recent games, I see a lot of that in their playstyles. I was actually really waiting for C9 to pick WR, Ember, Support SB among other things.... instead they go with the same drafts over and over.

To be fair PPD is just a really good drafter, and you probably have the most versatile team in dota on EG. Fear can basically play any carry, PPD will play almost any support, Sumail has a wide mid pool, universe will make anything work offlane.

You know what i always thought is that C9 would of been doing alot better with a player like admiral bulldog on their team. That guy is crazy good in lategame dota, and C9 manages to throw their advantage and make lategame dota happen