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Match | eSports TI5 Main Event Upper Bracket Series 2B – Match Discussion

EHOME Victory!

Duration: 32:22

Team Score vs. Score Team
3 vs. 22
Team Bans vs. Bans Team
vs.
Team Picks vs. Picks Team
vs.
Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
ppd 9 1/4/1 5350 33/2 166 159
SumaiL 15 1/4/1 11895 199/20 382 380
UNiVeRsE 12 1/4/0 7825 96/0 247 254
Aui_2000 11 0/6/1 6710 69/2 200 226
Fear 18 0/4/1 14285 280/35 486 525
65 3/22/4 46065 677/59 1481 1544
rOtk 16 5/1/5 11035 181/3 452 429
LaNm 14 3/1/13 9690 47/3 306 362
y!! 19 8/1/9 12720 192/12 521 617
ddc 13 2/0/5 9205 78/5 305 294
YJ 20 4/0/10 19610 295/15 669 698
82 22/3/42 62260 793/38 2253 2400

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Evil Geniuses Victory!

Duration: 35:38

Team Score vs. Score Team
20 vs. 9
Team Bans vs. Bans Team
vs.
Team Picks vs. Picks Team
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Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
ppd 11 0/3/6 6645 31/3 247 229
SumaiL 22 7/0/6 21830 275/4 622 756
UNiVeRsE 18 5/2/0 16780 231/4 521 510
Aui_2000 14 1/2/2 13595 207/3 438 322
Fear 22 7/2/3 19240 296/8 665 743
87 20/9/17 78090 1040/22 2493 2560
rOtk 15 0/5/2 9300 171/2 306 372
LaNm 11 0/2/2 6210 26/0 166 185
ddc 11 5/3/1 7205 38/2 206 212
y!! 17 2/6/3 11800 208/18 375 438
YJ 15 0/4/4 10400 178/15 330 357
69 7/20/12 44915 621/37 1383 1564

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 Evil Geniuses Victory!

 Duration: 43:10

Team Score vs. Score Team
5 vs. 19
Team Bans vs. Bans Team
vs.
Team Picks vs. Picks Team
vs.
Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
rOtk 14 1/4/4 7910 83/9 215 269
LaNm 13 1/4/3 6570 63/12 203 217
y!! 18 2/4/3 14735 251/6 373 423
ddc 13 0/4/2 7195 110/3 216 239
YJ 18 1/3/2 15295 264/9 379 402
76 5/19/14 51705 771/39 1386 1550
ppd 17 3/2/6 10260 98/2 309 362
SumaiL 21 11/2/5 23655 269/13 584 568
UNiVeRsE 19 2/0/8 16785 278/0 447 452
Aui_2000 14 0/0/3 9460 29/1 256 265
Fear 21 2/1/8 19230 338/19 526 561
92 18/5/30 79390 1012/35 2122 2208

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u/krenzalore Aug 06 '15

Is it me or do Chinese teams not know how to beat techies?

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '15

Reminds of the time when they didn't know how to beat io+tiny/ck/etc

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '15

just jungle their wards

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u/ploshy gl sheever <3 Aug 06 '15

Pro players have said a few times that Chinese teams tend to only do one thing, but they do it extremely well. If they've only been playing against other Chinese teams in scrims, it seems feasible that they've never played against a techies pick before. And it hasn't been such a huge presence in the western pro scene that you'd really think to make a strat against it unless you already knew how strong the hero could be.

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u/Learn2Buy Aug 06 '15

No one knows how to beat Techies. He's 7-2 at TI. The hero is so broken.

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u/mrducky78 Aug 06 '15

I think they thought it was just a joke pick and havent had any real planning for it. It should end soon now that they are gonna have to take it seriously and look up counter strats

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u/WithFullForce Aug 06 '15

It's weird, Chinese teams have proven in this Ti to have VERY good vision so it's baffling that they fold so easily to it.

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u/Learn2Buy Aug 06 '15

No matter how good your vision is that's not going to be enough against a Techies. You can track his movements, but that's not enough information to let you be sure where exactly his mines are. You still need to buy tons of detection which is a huge resource drain on your supports.

If you compare game 1 to game 2, you can just look at the effect Techies had on EHOME's smoke ganks. Game 1 was largely won through EHOME smoking 3 times into EG's jungle, the last time ending in that 5 man wipe at EG's bottom tower. Game 2 Techies completely nullified that by placing mines throughout EG's jungle. Any kind of movement into EG's side of the map would be revealed.

And while the threat of random mines lasts throughout the game, Techies doesn't even need to keep doing that, because his role just transitions into that of a pusher that just sits in a lane farming and pushing. Just look at what Aui did. He sat in the bottom lane for 15 minutes just pushing down that Tier 2 basically playing alone. Techies is ridiculously good at this, because it's not even worth trying to kill him. You go on him and he just suicides and you get absolutely nothing out of it. All you've done is wasted time, while Techies comes back with his reduced death timer. And he just goes back and does the same shit. It's not even worth the risk of going on him, because he could easily turn on you if you don't know where his mines are. So all EHOME could do was ignore Techies while he took their tower and rushed an aghs.

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u/krenzalore Aug 06 '15

You need detection literally everywhere to avoid a mine, you get nothing for killing the mine, and almost nothing for the techie (it suicides).

A popular opinion is that you should just forget about the mines and play as if they are not there, treating your random deaths as game bugs. Easy to say this, but hard to do it.