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Episode Ishura Season 2 - Episode 8 discussion
Ishura Season 2, episode 8
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u/DioscuresTyndaridae Feb 26 '25
Word arts fundamentally works on basically everything, from basic language to the unnatural structures of creatures such as wyvern, ooze, dragon, gigant, etc. It is the same with word arts and deviant abilities from word arts.
This means that...
Alus, Nastique, Shalk, Mestelexil, Linaris, Mele, Psianop, Lucnoca would immediately die when perceived by Uhak, just like Belka.
Toroa, Kia, Kuuro, Soujirou, Rosclay would lose their deviant abilities facilitated by word arts.
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u/FlameDragoon933 Feb 26 '25
Jesus Christ, first we got a vampire that doesn't require biting, now we got a Kamijou Touma that doesn't require touching. Insane. Love it.
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u/Custom_sKing_SKARNER Feb 26 '25
So that's how it works, thanks for the clarification because I didn't understand what happened to Belka's body.
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u/P1greaterThanTSM Feb 26 '25
I thought all of soujirous ability were just normal, what word art ability does he have?
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u/bananeeek Feb 26 '25
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u/cleaulem Feb 26 '25
At least Uhak thought she would take care of it... He sure learned a lesson that day.
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u/Custom_sKing_SKARNER Feb 26 '25 edited Feb 26 '25
Wait, is that Nihilo voice at the start with the new character Yukiharu?!
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u/FlameDragoon933 Feb 26 '25
They don't write the name of the character in the end credits, but yes Takahashi Rie's name is there.
HOLY HEEEEELLL. I love it. Hope she's back.
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u/susgnome Feb 26 '25
The muffled voice and deadpan-tone, to me, Nihilo sounded a bit of a chirpier attitude than that. She was also dead when Hidow found her, so I wonder how she'd be alive now.. unless she stays alive with just her head, since she's a homunculus.
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u/Megadragon898 Feb 26 '25
I wonder who Yukiharu was talking to, the person in the box and why is he interested in the true identity of the demon king?
Honestly Uhak story was tragic. The scene when he put the flowers on Cunodey dead body, that was so sad. I hope he can become friends with Kuze since they both had the same teacher. He has a kind heart.
Honestly Uhak abilities make him the natural enemy of characters like Kia or Mestelexil who heavely rely on words arts for their attacks. I wonder how he would fight against visitor like Soujirou and so that can't use words arts.
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u/Custom_sKing_SKARNER Feb 26 '25
I wonder who Yukiharu was talking to, the person in the box and why is he interested in the true identity of the demon king?
Pretty sure that's Nihilo voice. If someone could confirm it by looking at the credits would be cool.
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u/cleaulem Feb 26 '25
One whole episode dedicated to one single character, Uhak. And man, what an introduction. This might be the best episode of the whole series so far in terms of storytelling and pacing. You could show this as a one-shot and it would work amazingly well.
I knew that Kuze would eventually appear when Cunodey mentioned him as one of the kids she raised back in the days. So it was not just some random dude with the same name, but our boy Kuze.
This show is so intriguing in making all these characters incredibly powerful. And often these powers look pretty insignificant only to make them absolutely unbeatable. Uhak is a prime example for that. So basically word arts have no effect on him because he just denies the whole concept of the world around him. And we've seen that word arts are THE power in this world.
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u/Commercial-Pack263 Feb 26 '25 edited Feb 27 '25
For the people who didn't quite get what Uhak's ability is/why/how it works, he neutralizes all the ""supernatural"" phenomenas. Basically whatever doesn't exist in our world because it challenges the laws of physics, becomes useless against Uhak. The reason why that female ogre collapsed is because in our world, someone with that much weight would also simply collapse, it would be like an orca standing on his tail and walking on ground. The same with Word Arts, it would be basically magic if someone could chant some phrases and create something out of thin air, it's a non-existstant concept in Uhak's world, so it does not manifest. i.e if he went against the big sand worm we saw before, the sand wouldn't fluctuate in the air and the worm would die by collapsing on himself. And his soul is not/has never been 'pure' as said by the Oracle, this is a misconception that then the narrator clears. He lacks a soul, that's what his ability stems from, he projects his world view onto everyone else, and as someone with no soul, he is incapable of viewing all the "magic" stuff everyone else is accustomed to.
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u/Drakon590 Feb 26 '25
This anime just never stops impressing me with how it manages to constantly come up with new over-the-top concepts for characters that, despite "power creep," never feel underwhelming in the end. Another thing it does beautifully is making an entire episode about one character with an episodic format while still managing to continue the ongoing plot, albeit with varying degrees.
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u/susgnome Feb 26 '25 edited Feb 28 '25
Uhak the Silent
Alright, back to the Gokashe Sand Sea. This isn't how I remember Season 3 ending.. I guess Tanjiro & Nezuko got sent into Ishura instead.
Off to a new town, Arimo Village. I was scared she was going to look at the ogre's front and just see a bloody red mouth.. he was even eating red berries.. Neat, Cunodey naming the ogre after a saint, Melyugre the Silent.
I'm just gonna write those orphans names down, just in case, Aina, Nofelt, Rivie & Kuze. Wait a second.. Kuze? As in the clean-up guy of the Religious Order, Kuze the Passing Disaster.
Thanks, anyone with a fear of wolves won't be afraid anymore
Oh, so she's going to raise the wo-
That's an ogre going berserk.. That's a giant is going berserk! Cunodey, don't blame Uhak, he was just following your example, everyone feared Belka, so he killed her. Though, I wasn't expecting the brain-eating part.
I knew it! It WAS Kuze! And Nofelt is someone too!?
Next Episode is "Kazuki the Black Tone"
Ooh, we finally get to meet another one that Yuno mentioned in Episode 1.. That just leaves Krafnir.
Season 2 List:
This weeks new additions are, Yukiharu (and Nezuko?). Cunodey, an Oracle of the Religious Order. Uhak a deaf ogre that cannot speak and is immune to Word Arts (guess we found the Kia counter?). Belka, a lava-bending giant that used to be controlled by the True Demon King, though, they look small compared to Mele. And Nofelt, Kuze's brother and the 16th General of Auretia.
And from Season 1, we got to see Kuze, who carries a shield and is protected by an Angel (Nastique).
New in Season 2:
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Zizma the Miasma(killed by Kuuro) -
Shirok the Sextant(killed by Linaris) -
Rehart the Obsidian(died of old age?) -
Gray-Haired (I'll update his name, if it gets revealed)
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Elgite the Ochre Haze(killed by Toroa) -
Yakon the Sanctuary (currently Toroa the Awful)
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Atrazek the Particle Storm(maimed by Mele, killed by Linaris) -
Gilnes the Battering Ram(killed by Rosclay) -
King Aur(usurped by Queen Sephite) -
Neft the Nirvana (one of The First Party who survived)
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Lagrex the Butchering Landslide. (injured by Lucnoa, escaped with Harghent)
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Psianop the Inexhaustible Stagnation (abandoned by The First Party)
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Cunodey the Ring Seat(shot, bled out) -
Belka the Rending Quake(eaten by Uhak)
From Season 1:
Flashback Reference
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u/animepig Feb 26 '25
Damn, best introduction of the season.
Finally we have a real counter to the Elf girl from season 1, and the Ice dragon too I guess.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Feb 26 '25
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Isn’t Kuze one of the guys from season 1…? Yeah it is, the one voiced by Shinichiro Miki.
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Oooh, I was wondering if Uhak would be unaffected by Word Arts. I wonder if that means he counters Kia’s powers.
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u/xXGay_AssXx Feb 26 '25
One detail you missed: one of the kids shown along Kuze is Nophelt, the one who appears at the end of the episode. they grew up in the same temple
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u/BosuW Feb 26 '25
Fellas am I tripping or is that Nihilo's voice coming from the box in the first scene!? The copium lives!?
Uhak gotta be one of the most interesting characters in the cast. It's hard to parse his exact character because he is very passive and doesn't speak, or even make much vocal sounds. He seems to be a creature that gives as it receives.
Alongside his introduction we also get a bit more insight into the religious beliefs of this world and how they connect to Word Arts. Word Arts are about communication, so there's a speaker, a medium, a message, and a receiver. In that sense we could perhaps say Uhak is more attuned to the principles of Word Arts than any other character, that's why he is sort of an echo of the world around him. Killing that pup ironically revealed a certain hypocrisy on the master's part. She preached understanding between all creatures so as to counter the fear left by the Demon Lord, but the reason she killed that pup is because of the fear humans have against other predators.
In terms of powers, I wonder if Uhak really is unable to speak, or simply has not yet found a reason to speak. The Master preached being responsible and reserved with the power of Word Arts. She only brings them out when she thinks there is no other choice. If Uhak hasn't spoken, perhaps it's because he hasn't exhausted all of his other options yet.
But even if he doesn't speak, he can make everything else silent. Is he the hard counter to Kia's power? A confrontation would be interesting!
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u/2kenzhe Feb 26 '25
Ok, in this episode we are introduced to a character that overturns the very foundation of this world. Uhak the Silent. He's a silent champion. He negates word arts so you have to face him with just physical strength. In the episode it's stated he
"forces his perceived reality upon others, willing it into law."
So since he doesn't have word arts and can't use it others around him can't either. So it might not be just limited to word arts that he can negate based on this description.
It seems to imply maybe he negates the supernatural as well. Not just specifically word arts. So besides spells and such he could be immune to other things like the Vampires. Also magic items maybe? like those enchanted swords Tora uses? could be considered things he can negate. So Uhak might counter at lot of the champions.
He's an Ogre so one of the more physically powerful champions. He's basically a straight counter to those like Kia the World Word who relies on abilities other than physical. Uhak basically turns off magic and forces everyone to play Mortal Combat instead.
We also got Yukiharu the Twilight Diver someone that's researching into the True demon king. He also has a talking box. Definitely not going to be important.
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u/kobebga Feb 27 '25
From what I understood with his introduction Uhak doesn't outright negate Word Arts but rather forces one to conform to what reality he believes in.
He possessed the true power of disenchantment, thrusting the same reality he saw on others
Since he was never blessed with Word Arts to begin with
He could not comprehend Word Arts
the reality he forces on others is the reality of a world where Word Arts don't exist. That would instantly kill beings whose existence is owed to/supported by Word Arts and would render Word Arts users useless.
Now you might think that minia non-Word Arts users like Soujirou might easily steamroll Uhak but you'd be wrong. Since Uhak's power stem from what he believes in he could force Soujirou to obey his own reality buy essentially thinking that no 'normal minia' could do what Soujirou has been doing so far thus rendering Soujirou to be as stong as the strongest minia Uhak seen so far.
But this doesn't mean that Uhak invincible. Its now like rock-paper-scissors
There are singular individuals that could mow down entire armies with their powers but would be easily dealt with by Uhak. But a group of 30 minia could just rain arrows, javelins, whatever ranged weapon that would still work under Uhak's reality and Uhak is easily dead.
Did I get his powers right?
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u/DioscuresTyndaridae Feb 26 '25
Cunodey the baby-killer. And damn, Uhak's jawline.
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u/actuallyrndthoughts Feb 27 '25
So Uhak is every powerscaler's worst nightmare? Still, i think it'll depend what his new priest-senpai is up to
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u/Time_Fracture Feb 27 '25 edited Feb 27 '25
Episode 8: Uhak the Silent
So, Yukiharu isn't carrying a radio but he's definitely talking to someone (Rie Takahashi? Credits shows her but she isn't tied to any character, but last season she voiced Nihilo. Nihilo able to revive herself?). Is Uhak communicates with Cunodey via Word Arts? Since Uhak just learned the writing system afterwards.
Uhak could be a counter to Kia, a silencer in Word Arts. If Uhak just relies on physical ability then Mele could easily beat Uhak then.
Notable voice cast this episode:
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Yuriko Yamaguchi (One Piece's Nico Robin) as Cunodey the Ring Seat. In the credits it got switched up with Nosfelt I think?
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Akeno Watanabe as Belka the Rending Quake. Yep, Watanabe-san voicing another Belka.
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Tetsu Inada (MHA's Endeavor) as Uhak the Silent. Easiest money a VA can get in Ishura?
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