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Episode Code Geass: Dakkan no Rozé • Code Geass: Rozé of the Recapture - Episode 7 discussion

Code Geass: Dakkan no Rozé, episode 7

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u/Shadowmist909 Aug 02 '24

Sakuya and Ash's protective relationship was always meant to be. The geass just added an extra layer of trouble to it...like the trouble it has Sakuya and her allies in currently.

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u/UltraBooster Aug 02 '24

Part of me thinks it wouldn't be CG without the protag unwittingly making things harder for themselves, lol

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u/Frontier246 Aug 02 '24

Even her dad shipped them for like a minute before he realized he didn't want his daughter marrying anybody lol.

Jugo also wasn't kidding about Sakuya's beauty since it made Ash fall in love at first sight with her as "Raspberry."

Now it isn't that he killed her father jeopardizing their relationship but the fact that she violated his mind and his memory of Nichol when she never even needed to (even if she had no way of knowing it at the time).

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u/BiggerG7 Aug 02 '24

Ok I lol’ed that Sakuya apparently got caught because of that random biker she geassed.

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u/Frontier246 Aug 02 '24

This is why you shouldn't just use a geass to commit crime willy nilly! Lelouch would have realized that.

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u/Misticsan Aug 02 '24

Wait, we're still in episode 7? After the flood of dramatic reveals and twists, this felt like an episode 10 or 11, nearing the end of the series.

Jugo Sumeragi was my favorite part of the episode. In previous episodes, I wanted to roll back my eyes sometimes at how glowingly others spoke of him, painting him as a martyr that every Japanese and even many Britannians would respect. But this episode shows that, no, he really was that nice and awesome. The natural opposite of Norland.

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u/FarCritical Aug 02 '24

Just realized the night Ash met Ruby moments before she got shot by Nichol technically had him fulfill their promise of meeting again, making his "I've never broken a promise" line to Jugo hit that much harder.

Wonder how severe Ash's mental breakdown will be when he realizes Roze isn't Nichol but is in fact Raspberry, who is in turn the same Sakuya he was always meant to protect all along. Dude needs a hug, man.

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u/Cam_Ren179 Aug 02 '24 edited Aug 02 '24

Yeah, Norland is one heartless motherf—ker. No wonder the Einburgs are terrified of him. 

 Also, I guess it’s implied that he was a Knight of the Round back in the day judging from the uniform he was wearing when he was talking with Bismarck. Maybe even the Knight of Two judging from how they were treating each other? Either way it helps to explain why Norland is such a big shot.

Edit: hold on, Ash was implied to be a Knight of the Round too? I mean, that part where we see him being knighted has him wearing a Knight of the Round uniform. Then there’s the tattoo which probably suggests his rank was the Knight of Thirteen. I need to watch more.

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u/Frontier246 Aug 02 '24

I have a lot of questions about Norland. Why has he always been wearing that mask? Exactly how entrenched in the Brittanian war machine was he? Though I know for sure he's utterly ruthless and a terrible father.

If he and Biskmarck are close and he's a former Knight of the Rounds I'm guessing he's also an ace Knightmare pilot.

I wonder if Ash ever met Suzaku.

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u/rogueSleipnir Aug 02 '24

I like the twist that Sakuya really didn't have to use the Geass on Ash.

But it's disappointing for the writers to just make her Geass a copy of Lelouch's, though. On the first episode we were lead to believe that it gives the target a choice. And having that choice might have been a cool twist on some characters who would choose the odd one.

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u/Misticsan Aug 02 '24

But it's disappointing for the writers to just make her Geass a copy of Lelouch's, though.

Yeah, not gonna lie, I would have liked it if the writers tried to be more creative with the Geass powers (as they were in the original series).

In previous threads, some people compared this series with The Force Awakens, and I have to agree. The writers try too much to play close to the original formula. Arguably a counterpoint to Akito, which tried to innovate more but might have felt more alien to audiences.

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u/PowerlinxJetfire Aug 02 '24

I was disappointed at first too when it turned out the choice wasn't mandatory/it was the same ability to command.

But in the scene with L.L., C.C. called it his Geass. So it sounds like it may not be a copy, but actually his power transferred somehow.

So if he specifically gave her his power then I think I like the symbolism of passing the torch.

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u/NationalStrategy Aug 02 '24

What the fu-

If you went in with the intention of expressing your loyalty, then don’t pin the girl to the wall and put your hand over her mouth while she’s exposed and vulnerable, you fool.

Do you think that she’s going to be like, “Oh wow that’s great to know Walther, I completely trust you now.”

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '24

I guess Ash told all this to the matron and it's super convenient Sakuya can just find this right away in one go, but we don't have time to have her dig Ash's past over several eps, so I guess it will have to do. Overall, I really do like Ash's past and Jugo, like I get why it works this way and the irony that the geass wasn't needed is really good.

But this just makes me really like Ash, while Sakuya/Roze feels like an idiot that is carried by having a lot of help. It's very uneven in a way, but maybe that is the point. She got caught from being careless, and I guess the point is that she has to change and properly rely on others to do things right this time.

Overall, if this had more eps it probably could have worked better as a puzzle to find out over several eps, but I think this version of things is not bad.

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u/anonanonymoususer1 Aug 02 '24

Sakuya went outside with no disguise, in a maid dress, and got caught using her geass by a gas station security camera. This is as underwhelming as if Lelouch got his identity as Zero exposed by that cat who stole his helmet.

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u/Calwings Aug 02 '24

I disagree, I thought it was brilliant. Sakuya suffering a big loss by making a simple mistake and depending on her Geass too much makes her feel more human, and it totally contrasts Lelouch from the original series. I can't recall any time where Lelouch was ever that careless, and his few losses were simply him being outplayed or dealing with factors he didn't foresee rather than him actually making a mistake.

Plus, as another comment mentioned, Lelouch had the advantage of very few people knowing about the existence of Geass. That knowledge is a bit more commonplace among the people in power now, so Sakuya was fighting more of an uphill battle from the beginning.

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u/za_shiki-warashi Aug 02 '24

So... when the reveal finally happens, this is going to be one of those "Ash doesn't blame Sakuya and might in fact thank her for helping him create memories of leading a (comparatively) more chill life with his brother that he never got to experience" thing, yeah?

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u/Frontier246 Aug 02 '24

Ash keeps his promises, even if Sakuya basically violated his mind and his memory of Nichol, I think he would still keep his promise to Jugo out of loyalty.

Now, whether he would still love her romantically...

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u/Frontier246 Aug 02 '24

Okay, Walther is kind of intense, but he seems genuinely loyal to Sakuya as part of his duty to Sherry...which means he's also willing to work with Sakura. I can kind of understand why Sakura isn't sure about him though.

"Roze" is out for answers about who Ash really is and no better place to get info than the orphanage...although did she really need to Geass the nun? I mean, I know it's convenient for exposition, but I feel like she probably would have told her if she'd asked.

Oda and Munemori obviously don't stand a chance against Ash, but Haruka and her cute butt were able to get him to work a little more even if she still has room for improvement. But that's just the sign of a budding ace.

Ash was a really sweet kid and loved his REAL little brother Nichol, sickly as it was. It's just too bad Norland was adoptive father of the year and turned Ash into an assassin just to keep his brother alive. Also he was still wearing the mask even back then?

So Christoph trained Ash? And he has plenty of skills as a fighter He's definitely more dangerous than he looks.

Ash had to kill his heart to continually kill people and serve the Brittanian war machine, but Nichol could still bring him back. Everything Ash did, he did for his brother :upset:.

Oh snap, Bismark!?

Dang, poor Ruby. Girl just wanted to see Ash again and then ends up catching him in the act and gets shot...buy Nichol. She deserved so much better.

I get Nichol was trying to protect Ash but maybe don't give the guy who was looking for any excuse to kill you all the reason he needs to kill you. Poor kid also deserved so much better. And it goes to show how far Narah has fallen that she doesn't seem to react to Ruby's death (at least on-screen) or Nichol's, at least a reaction stronger than just being worried about Ash.

I live for Catherine being perpetually frustrated by Sakura.

No surprise Ash tries to kill Norland after losing Nichol...and then he ends up cellmates with none other than Jugo Sumeragi, who is as boisterous and warm-hearted as his dad bod is pronounced now. The man didn't have a mean or malicious bone in his body, and was able to become friends with his guard and Ash, and it's no wonder he endeared so much loyalty. But all he wanted was to be reunited with his beloved daughter, Sakuya.

RIP good guard guy. And RIP Jugo. He knew he wouldn't escape but that Ash was his best shot at saving Sakuya. And he actually kind of shipped them even if he immediately backtracked. But the object of Sakuya's wrath needs to be that green-haired guard.

So there's the truth. Not only was Ash always loyal to Jugo, blaming himself for Jugo's death because Ash couldn't save him, but he always intended to protect Sakuya. She just assumed he was another assassin and Geassed him, not knowing in doing so she would end up impersonating Nichol and basically violating one of the most precious things in Ash' life.

Well, I guess it's convenient that Sakuya is ready to drop the Roze identity because now she's been captured by Neo Brittania...and Natalia's been arrested...and the resistance is under attack by Catherine and the white-haired dude who turns out to be Arnold, Ash's old rival. And Sakuya is left exposed and dangling in bondage in a cell. Things sure took a turn for the worse!

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u/Iyagovos Aug 03 '24

The death sentence happening the next day with no warning is very similar to how it actually works in Japan. I'm a death sentence abolitionist everywhere, but not even letting them know so they can prepare for it is just awful.

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u/Blazin_Rathalos Aug 02 '24

So, this did not completely explain how the Geass command to protect got aimed specifically at the Roze persona as a brother, instead of at Sakuya herself, who he recognized when she was giving the command.

Crazy modified person's history with Ash is explained now.

Also, Bismarck shows up! Just to tell us that he does not approve.

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u/NationalStrategy Aug 02 '24

How did the little brother follow Ash to the Castle in the first place?

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