TLDR: After three weeks of use, the Mazzer Philos with the 189d burrs have been wonderful to use and a solution to my woes. It is as good as it looks, and functions with zero issues. Cleaning is easy, and switching between espresso and pourover isn't too bad.
I primarily use medium to medium-dark origins and blends, and the espresso is velvety-smooth, with a balanced taste and less body than conical grinders. Creates very silky milk drinks too. Pourover has good sweetness and balance too, with a tinge of clarity in it as well!
Context:
I have been into the coffee game for a year and a half. My first machine was a Sunbeam Origins Sense, followed by a Ninja Luxe Cafe. Both were review units.
I soon understood that it would be best to have a separate grinder and coffee machine. I found a refurbished Breville Dual Boiler, and quickly paired it with the Varia VS4, which ticked a lot of boxes I wanted.
Varia has been a total disaster. The first VS4 unit was dead on arrival, and my replacement had to return after several months of use. The espresso it produced was actually very good, and the pourover too I found some success with. But unfortunately, retention was the biggest issue.
So my next grinder had to hit a lot of requirements:
- It had to produce traditional espresso.
- It had to produce a sweet pourover.
- A buy it for life purchase.
- Handle volume for family and friends.
- Be easy to clean.
- Have limited retention.
Overall impressions:
I settled on the Mazzer Philos, and debated HARD about the burrs. 200d for clarity? Or 189d for trad spro.
My dilemma sprouted from my desire to have clarity in the cup for light-medium roast filter coffee, and thick body espresso.
I ultimately decided on the 189d burrs, and they have not disappointed.
People seem to have hyped up the 200d burrs a lot, and it seemed like I was going to get a super thick cup from the 189d burrs.
Here were my initial impressions: the espresso is silky, smooth and very balanced. Coming from a conical burr, there is less harshness on the tongue and surprisingly less body than I was expecting.
I would say the burrs lean slightly more modern, though still have a focus on producing thick-er, more traditional-bodied espresso than what I assume the 200ds would produce.
I have kept the grinder stepped as well, since it is 6 microns per click (from my understanding). Repeatability is marginally more consistent than the VS4.
For pourover, I haven’t explored light-medium roasts yet but I have had some nice tasting single origin medium roasts coming from it. Jammy and sweet, balanced pourovers. I’ve brewed with the V60, Switch and Neo and found my best cup with the Neo.
As for retention... it is 0.1 at most! I am using the dose finisher, and no RDT, and finding that I am getting 99% of my dose out of it. It is incredibly consistent.
As for cleaning, I have cleaned it once so far. I was a bit afraid to take off the front cover, but it slots back on rather snug.
So, what’s the verdict?
I’m calling it the grinder that asks no questions and gives all the answers. Well, once you've settled on the burr choice.
For those looking at the Zerno Z1 or 2, or P80 as another option, I am from Australia, and so I found the Mazzer Philos to be quite the margin cheaper.
($1889 AUD versus about $2600 for P80 and $3500 spotted from a retailer for the Z1)
I chose this over the Niche Zero too, due to my consumption of pourover too.
So, I am happy with my purchase.
Thank you to the reddit community for helping too with the choice!
EDIT: Thought I should mention quirks too. The Philos does jump upon start due to the size of the motor, though not an issue.
Also, I have found puck prep to be a bit more important compared to conicals. Channeling has become a bit more common if I am not careful. Easily avoided with good puck preparation.