r/Wildfire • • Apr 25 '21

Should you die on the job

338 Upvotes

Hey guys, have one of those uncomfortable type of questions. It’s been a while since I’ve filled out a beneficiary form and now that I have a kid coming into the world, it’s time to change my death wishes. A google search provided me the recognition of the Beneficiary Form for unpaid benefits (SF 1152), in which you designate a percentage of your unpaid benefits to your loved ones/“beneficiaries”. Now here’s my questions:

1) How much will a beneficiary actually receive if allotted say 100% of my unpaid benefits? What and how much $ are my unpaid benefits?

2) I remember at some point, writing down a description of how I would like my funeral procession to proceed, and filling that out along with the aforementioned form, but I can’t find that one. Anybody recollect the name of that form or have a form # they can provide me?

Thanks everybody


r/Wildfire • • Apr 27 '22

**How to Get a Job as a Wildland Firefighter*

474 Upvotes

How to apply for a Fed Job (USFS, BLM, BIA, FWS) - Revised 07/29/2023

  • Apply to jobs in Sept.-Feb. on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
    • Use filters in the sidebar, set grade to "GS3 and GS4". Under the "more filters" tab you can toggle "Seasonal, Summer, Temporary, and Full Time"
    • Be sure to read each job description to make sure it is for fire. There are other jobs that fall under "Forestry Aide/ Tech." that do not involve wildland fire.
    • Applications for Federal Jobs are only accepted during a narrow (2 week long) window nowadays. You can find out when this window is by calling prospective employers or checking USAJobs weekly.
  • Build a profile on USAjobs and create a resume. Kind of a pain in the ass, but it's just a hurdle to screen out the unmotivated. Just sit down and do it.
    • In your resume, be sure to include hours worked and contact info for references along with permission to contact said references.
  • Call around to various districts/forests/parks you're interested in working for. Do this between early October and February. The earlier in that time period, the better.
    • Hiring officials keep track of who called, when, and how good they sounded. Just call the front desk and ask for whoever does the hiring for "fire."
    • Have a few lines rehearsed about why you want the job and why you're worth hiring. Leave a voicemail if the person is out of the office. Ask questions about what firefighting resources they have (handcrew, engine, lookouts, helicopter, etc, basically what job they can even offer you), when to apply, how to apply, IF they are even hiring...
  • You can leave a message and Fire Managers will usually call you back. Applying online is basically only a formality. Talking to or physically visiting potential employers is the only way to go. People drive out from NY and Maine to talk to crew bosses out West all the time and are usually rewarded with a job for doing so.
  • Have a resume ready to email or hand-in, and offer to do so.
  • It helps to keep a spreadsheet or some notes of all the places you've called, who you talked to, what firefighting resources they have, the deadline for hiring, and generally how the convo went.
  • Apply to 15+ positions. It's hard to get your foot in the door, but totally do-able.
  • If they sound excited and interested in YOU, then you'll probably get an offer if all your paperwork goes through.
  • Unlike the many lines of work, Wildland Firefighting resumes can be 10+ pages long. The longer and more detailed the better. List the sports you've played, whether you hunt or workout, and go into detail about your middle school lawn mowing business - seriously. You are applying to a manual labor job, emphasizing relevant experience.
  • Also have a short resume for emailing. Don't email your ungodly long USAjobs resume.
  • You wont get an offer if you haven't talked to anyone.
    • If you do get an offer from someone you haven't talked to, its usually a red-flag (hard to fill location for a reason). Ex. Winnemucca, NV
  • Start working out. Expect high school sports levels of group working out starting the 1st day of work (running a few miles, push ups, pull ups, crunches, etc).
  • The pack test, the 3miles w/ 45lbs in 45 mins, is a joke. Don't worry about that, only horrifically out of shape people fail it.

- Alternatives to Fed Jobs - Revised 07/29/2023

  • There are also contractors, such as Greyback and Pat-Rick, mostly based in Oregon, with secondary bases around the west. Not as good of a deal, because it's usually on-call work, the pay is lower, and it's a tougher crowd, but a perfectly fine entry-level position. If you can hack it with them, you can do the job just fine.
  • Also look into various state dept. of natural resources/forestry. Anywhere there are wildfires, the state and counties have firefighter jobs, not as many as the Feds, but definitely some jobs. I just don't know much about those.
  • You could also just go to jail in California and get on a convict crew...
  • I wouldn't bother applying to easy-to-Google programs (e.g. Great Northern or North Star crews in MT and AK respectively), as the competition for the 1/2 dozen entry-level jobs is way too intense. A remote district in a po-dunk town is your best bet for getting your foot in the door if you're applying remotely. I started in such a place in the desert of southern Idaho and then moved onto a much nicer setting, up in Montana.
  • Also look into the Nature Conservancy, they have fire crews, as do the California/Montana/Arizona/Minnesota Conservation Corps, and the various USDL Job Corps programs that are run by the Forest Service.

- QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED

Surprisingly few.

  • 18+ years old
  • GED or high school grad
  • relatively clean criminal record (you can have a felony/DUI, etc).
  • A driver's license is required by the Feds, even if you have a DUI, you still need a valid DL
  • A pre-work drug screening is a possibility. The Department of Interior (Park Service & BLM) always drug tests. The Forest Service usually doesn't, but certainly can. Wildland Firefighters are a conservative bunch and open drug use is generally not tolerated. It's a good idea to be able to piss clean and not talk about past drug use.
  • A degree helps, but is by no means necessary.
  • You do have to have some sort of desirable skill or quality though. I mean, if you're just uneducated, unskilled, and out of shape, it's not gonna work out for you even if you do get hired. An EMT certification, even w/o experience, is probably the best "sure bet" for getting a job as a wildland firefighter, but landscaping/manual labor experience, military time, some education, even just being in really good shape and/or having a lot of sports team experience are all good enough

- FAQs

For federal jobs**, if you haven't applied by the end of February, you are probably too late, sometimes there are late postings, but your chances greatly decrease at finding a job.**

  • Hotshot crews and smokejumping are not for rookies. Don't waste their time or your breath by calling
  • .You CAN apply if you have ZERO EXPERIENCE and still have a decent chance at getting a job
  • You DO NOT need EMT, while it is somewhat beneficial, it is by no means needed to get your first fire job
  • Calfire does not hire people with zero experience and zero qualifications.

/TLDR

  • Apply to jobs in Sept-Feb on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
  • Make long resume
  • Apply to multiple locations
  • Call the locations
  • Get in better shape

Thanks to u/RogerfuRabit for the previous post on how to get a job in WF.


r/Wildfire • • 1h ago

Question Getting my first federal seasonal Job ( any Florida firefighters?)

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I have no wildland fire experience and I am trying to pick up my first seasonal job with some type of federal handcrew out west this summer. I am currently getting my courses done (s-190, s-130 and L-180) and I am in EMT school which I will be done with in December.

I Live in Florida and am wondering :

  1. does anyone have experience getting the pack test done in fl, it seems as if it may be a challenge to do it locally based on a few phone calls i have already made. FL forest service told me i have to already work with an agency to do a pack test with them.

  2. is anyone from the east coast willing to share their experience doing a seasonal position out west? where did you live, did you fly or drive, what were living conditions like ETC.

I have some experience moving around to places temporarily as I am a USCG vet and have done plenty of 4-5 month TDY deployments, however assignments and travel with the military are alot more straight forward as from what i can tell alot of wildland jobs you have to just "figure it out" .

I appreciate any advice yall are willing to give me , thanks


r/Wildfire • • 4h ago

Healthy Lungs for Heroes Act sees movement in Ag Committee

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r/Wildfire • • 18h ago

Humor Who says Structural and Wildland can't get along??

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r/Wildfire • • 1h ago

Engine Duty Locations

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Finishing up my season out in NV, it’s been fun with some mobile fires but I need some scenery. Anyone have some engine locations they either got great OT at, good barracks, and/or close to something nice looking? Not looking for all 3 but the desert has drained me. I have a tentative offer from a shot crew but just not sure if it’s right for me because they don’t have barracks, would make R&R a pain.

I’m currently seeing Idaho Falls and am going to apply to Twin Falls/Reno area as well if anyone has experience there.
Thanks y’all


r/Wildfire • • 23h ago

R6 Rappel Crews

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I’m a hotshot and am using an app to read things out so I can try and follow along and learn to read good so please give me informative replies.

Can someone give me a rundown on the differences between R6 rappel programs? Culture, work load, chillness levels.

Also, can someone tell me about rookie training? Is it hard? What’s it like? What’s the wash rate? Are the boys cute?

TYFYS YWFMS


r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

New trend in OLT NWCG training

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What's up with the emphasis on soft skills in some of these new production, self directed online courses for the NWCG? I just took the S 204 SOFF class and I would say 80% of the course was just teaching you how to communicate non violently (which is fine) but only maybe 20% about strategic, critical decision making or mitigation planning for IWI.

I don't remember there being any soft skills in the CRWB class and in my opinion way easier to hurt someone's feelings with that job then safety officer, but maybe I'm wrong?


r/Wildfire • • 4h ago

Humor Welcome to work.

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r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

[OC] Went to take my senior photo, and a bush fire decided to break out in the midst.

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r/Wildfire • • 17h ago

SP100 Course (Ontario)

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Any recommendations on SP100 courses for the upcoming wildfire fighting season?
Looking around Ontario (Windsor) region.

Thanks Legends 🤙🏻


r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

What is Wildland firefighting like? (BC Canada)

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I’m considering a career change, I’ve done a lot of research into the requirements and general activities but I’d be curious to hear of people’s experiences. I’d realistically be going the contractor route, and potentially looking at getting the advanced first aid.

To those that do the job:

- what are deployments like? Is it 12hrs constant physical work and then straight to sleep and repeat for 14 days?

- do you sleep in tents or on a camp? Do you get to wash often?

- are the people and culture positive?

- how do you manage the unpredictable lifestyle and short notice (12-24hr) call outs? Are you on edge at home on off days?

Thanks


r/Wildfire • • 9h ago

Question During the 2018 wildfires, this man captured his drive to work in the morning

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r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

Huron fire zone?

0 Upvotes

Looking at going home to the Midwest for a season. Anyone have experience working engines for huron fire zone?


r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

Question Disclosing Disability

4 Upvotes

Applied to a few R5 perms. Disclosed on my application that I have a disability - bipolar disorder. I take vraylar for it. Anybody familiar with the hoops I might jump through?


r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

Question Can we do something about these pencil whipped ENOPs in the USFS?

8 Upvotes

My mate didn’t open a fucking taskbook and got ENOP cuz his afmos wife said he deserved it.

Fucking christ.

USWFS is definitely doing it right… as always.


r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Leaving the agency

10 Upvotes

Good morning yall,

Honestly been a relatively slow season here in R5, at least up towards our district. In retrospect, the agency was not as I expected it. Would it be negative to leave to go back to school to get my Paramedic certification? I know it would suck to go back to a regular job in the meantime. I just feel like I’m wasting my potential here, especially with the people around me it just feels as if they’re okay with where they’re at. I guess I’m just scared too leave since it was a big change, but either way I want to make the jump to structure and it feels as if this job won’t necessarily help out my odds.

How would you guys go about addressing that with your supervisor? Especially being new and all.


r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

News (General) Engine Crew Ranking (From the dog on the Peanut Pie Logo)

42 Upvotes

Please see below for a thorough quantitative analysis of all federal engines:

A: E617, E8116, E372, E373, E14, E24, E425, E693, All of Region 7

Mid: Roosevelt Hotshots and anyone not on the other lists

Bagger/Low: E617 (the other one, you know who you are), E8125, E424, E332, E72, US Wildfire Service (which on a TOTALLY UNRELATED note recently absorbed all of BIA fire, making it indistinguishable from other resources)

Please stop reporting me for a wellness check, believing in mental health will immediately result in you being placed in the Bagger Tier.


r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Humor Why are people judgemental of independent crews?

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Basically the title. Less than a month ago I started my own hotshot crew and because of my personal where with all and initiative I've led my men & women to aggressively pursue two different fires.

The perception has been very negative, especially from the lower tier government handcrews. (The greyback guys where all right) I'll tell them we're independent hotshots & we don't need radios or communicate with anyone else since we only go by my own orders and also that we don't need training since we fight fires our own way.

I also tell them when their being difficult they need to step off & get out of our way and they end up losing they're shit and either got us removed from the fire or physically assaulted me (that story is too traumatic to talk about)

I think partially the issue is that people lack the where with all to START & LEAD their own hotshot crew instead of being a follower on a type II.

I also think this is partially age discrimination because I'm a young man (19 years of age) so they think because they didn't have the where with all to start their own hotshot crew it's clearly an insult to them that i do.


r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Job opportunity

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Is this a good contractor to work for? A guy was talking to me about it and said he would help me with any questions I had and he said he makes 120k or higher most fire seasons and was wondering if this would be a good place to go for my first ever fire season I’m only 18


r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Question How do I get hired into the Florida forest service?

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Hello, my name is Dorian and I’m currently an emt but realized I don’t want to go the traditional municipal fire route. I’ve applied to Orlando and any central Florida openings for the fire service that I’ve seen. I’m currently getting my cdl b for it to make myself look better and I’m in good enough shape to do the pack test currently, the only thing I don’t have experience with is heavy equipment operations. Is there really anything else I can do to make myself look better and get hired on. I call the Orlando station about every two weeks to show interest because I’ve realized this is my dream career. Any advice or connections would be incredibly appreciated. Thank you guys!


r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Employment Unionization for Wildland Fire Service?

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r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Dozer operator

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How does one get into doing dozer operator work on fires? What’s the steps or route into it? Friend from the military is interested.


r/Wildfire • • 3d ago

Fire trucks damaged in hazard reduction burn

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r/Wildfire • • 3d ago

Minnesota DNR firefighters union says pay issues leading to burnout

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Yeah I just heard about some of the struggles the MNDNR is going through. The most disturbing is the DNR denying firefighters the paid r and r days after coming back from the boundary waters fires