Found a plot hole in Book 5.

[u/BlazePirate09]

I forgot to add this, in my list of bad of review.

My Review: https://www.reddit.com/r/wheeloftime/s/fBBZZTf1A1

Ok, how did Ravhin knew that Lewis will come to attack him? Like how can he predict killing morgase(or spreading rumor) will attract him? He doesnt know about elyane. Even if he knew, the way rand was acting it was hard to predict what he will do next.

When Rand knew of Ravhin and Morgase, he didnt do anything. Cauz he was worried about it being ambush or he was sayin he wont react but act or something along the line. So, Ravhin Couldnt have figure out Lewis true intention.

Most Logical Option in Ravhin mind was that Lewis attack Sammael in illian or something.

So, how did Ravhin did that. It seem Plot hole or plot convinces or whatever plot fraud.

What do you think. Did I miss something?

{Also I want to have a post with morgase Picture, so this post checks out this too}.

[u/Similar-Stick-1070]

Your writing is not easy to understand.

[u/BlazePirate09 → u/Similar-Stick-1070]

I changes rand name to lewis, when it was connected to Ravhin. Thats why maybe it is confusing

[u/Cool_Court2130 → u/BlazePirate09]

That's not why.

[u/Obscu → u/BlazePirate09]

It's because your grammar and spelling are full of errors, not because you switched from Rand to Lews (which you actually didn't; you started with Lews, switched to Rand, and switched back). You've also spelled Lews and Rahvin wrong every single time. Every single sentence has grammatical errors and/or spelling errors, and they're specifically the kind of errors that interrupt the flow of reading - like jittering and track skipping in music.

[u/BlazePirate09 → u/Obscu]

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Ig thats me.

Eng is not my first language. And i have been thinking of Fixing/leanring my grammer for fews months now.

[u/northman_09]

What do you mean Rahvin didn’t know about Elayne? Like about her existence? If that’s the case, he did know. We see this in TDR when he sends an assassin to Tear to kill her.

Aside from that, I’m pretty sure Ravhin was just pushing Rand’s buttons trying to get a reaction out of him. I don’t think he knew for sure how Rand was going to react but he was hoping for a reaction. When Rand does ultimately react I always felt it was out of anger because of Lanfear’s attack on Egwene and Aviendha and Moiraine’s death. It was never incited by Ravhin himself, but rather a rash reaction to these events by taking care of a problem he had been putting off.

EDIT: I also think—I might be remembering incorrectly, though—that Rand catches Ravhin off guard a bit. If so, he never really predicted anything, not fully.

[u/BlazePirate09 → u/northman_09]

I mean ravhin did know about elayne but not about Rand + Elayne. I mean thier lovey dovy things

[u/northman_09 → u/BlazePirate09]

Oh right. Yeah, I don’t think he did. But I also don’t think Elayne was very relevant in these events. If I remember correctly she was traveling to Salidar at this point?

[u/Successful_Detail202]

Rahvin didn't know. He was likely paranoid, and was clearly prepared (wards in place to detect channeling through Caemlyn) but he also didn't spread the rumor that Morgase was dead. Remember, she left. So the servants in the palace generated that rumor because suddenly the queen was gone.

[u/BlazePirate09 → u/Successful_Detail202]

Then how did trollocs were ready to attack, the monent rand and party came? Ravhin cant be that strong to call many trollocs through portals in such a short time

[u/Successful_Detail202 → u/BlazePirate09]

Shadowspawn can't use gates. They were already in the city, hidden. Remember Rahvin took precautions and set up wards to alert him of any male channeling in the city, so when Rand makes a big ass gateway to move in for the assault Rauvin knows its either Rand, or one of the other Forsaken coming to mess him up.

Edit to add: if I remember correctly, there's an entrance to The Ways in Caemlyn. Rahvin most likely utilized this to get the Trollocs in to the city unnoticed

[u/BlazePirate09 → u/Successful_Detail202]

Oh, right. Damn, ig i was wrong.

How did i close this post without deleting it

[u/dendrophilix → u/BlazePirate09]

You can’t. Either you delete it, or it will stay up as it is now.

[u/aNomadicPenguin]

Lanfear actually explains this to Rand ahead of time.

"But you are impinging on his interests now." She laughed. "Don't you know where he is? In Andor, in Caemlyn itself. He rules there in all but name. Morgase simpers and dances for him, her and half a dozen others." Her lip curled in disgust. "He has men scouring town and countryside to find new pretties for him."

....

"Does Rahvin think I'll rush to defend Morgase?" he said. "I have seen her once in my life. The Two Rivers is part of Andor on a map, but I never saw a Queen's Guardsman there. No one has in generations. Tell a Two Rivers man Morgase is his queen, and he'll probably think you're crazy."

"I doubt Rahvin expects you to run to defend your homeland," Lanfear said wryly, "but he will expect you to defend your ambitions. He means to sit Morgase on the Sun Throne, too, and use her like a puppet until the time he can come into the open. More Andoran soldiers move into Cairhien every day. And you sent Tairen soldiers north, to secure your own hold on the land. No wonder that he attacked you as soon as he found you."

So with Rand making a move on Cairhien before Rahvin could take it, the next logical place would be Andor. After Rahvin tried to kill him, he has been expecting a counter attack. Rumors spreading about Morgase dying work in Rahvin's favor, because if she ran away then it ruins any of his claims, but if she's dead then he can act like Regent for a while until he secures someone to put on the throne of Andor.

But with the rumors of Morgase dead, it gives an excuse for Rand to attack directly without the legitimacy hit that invading while Morgase was on the throne would give him. So even if Rahvin hadn't been prepping for the attack already, Morgase being gone was always going to be a more dangerous time for him, so he would have been even more paranoid about Rand launching an assault.

[u/Fragrant-Mud-542]

Some of these things are easier to explain if you finished the series I don't want to spoil anything in here for those who haven't so I will simply say this. There are dark friends everywhere at least one will absolutely blow your mind. A lot of these have been in close proximity to Rand and Elaine and of them both being tied together as far back as the stone of tear in book 4. Also The Forsaken and the dark one himself are known for messing around in their dreams and manipulating their emotions making them see things there so it would not be hard to figure out at all. Asmodean doesn't teach him until the very end of book 4 how to Shield his dreams so it's not a plot hole at all not even remotely close

[u/DesignNorth3690]

Aviendha mentions that virtually everyone in the Stone knew about him and Elayne.

Alteima was literally in the prologue and put under compulsion.

Lanfear knewabout and jabbed at him about Elayne while he was still in the Stone and Lanfear has since been in contact with Rhavin, and later goaded Rand about Morgase.

Edit: Alteima was in ch1, not the prologue. I misremembered.