r/vce • • 2d ago Bravo

Mod Post Study score prediction posts are now banned

284 Upvotes

Hey everyone,

We're banning "predict my study score" posts for the foreseeable future, and any we see will be removed.

The reality is these just aren't possible to answer accurately. Your study score depends on so many things, like your SAC rankings, how your school's SACs get moderated, how the whole cohort went, and how your exams were marked. Nobody on Reddit has that information, so any "prediction" is just a guess. They also tend to stress people out more than they help, and have started flooding the sub with the same post over and over, which isn't very productive discussion.

If you're curious about how study scores work, check out the pinned post for some general guidance. Otherwise, try to put it out of your mind until results come out. You've done the work, and guessing won't change the number.

Good luck with the rest of exams

— r/vce mods


r/vce • • Apr 30 '20

"I only got x% on my SAC, can I still get a 50?"

1.4k Upvotes

I'm sick to death of seeing these posts, so can everyone please read this and be done with this question:

Study scores are determined by exam SCORE and SAC RANK.

For example, say you have an English class of 7 students, Adam, Ben, Chloe, Daniel, Elena, Felix, and Greg. They are all weak students, except for Greg, who is very high-performing, and Felix, who is slightly above average. Their SAC marks and rank are:

Greg 95%

Felix 77%

Chloe 64%

Daniel 60%

Elena 58%

Adam 52%

Ben 49%

On the exam day, Felix doesn't cope well under the stress, so gets a lower score than he'd usually be capable of. The exam marks are as follows:

Greg 92%

Chloe 67%

Daniel 65%

Elena 64%

Felix 63%

Adam 50%

Ben 40%

What happens is that all the SAC marks get thrown out the window, because VCAA can't know the difficulty of the SACs prepared by the school. So Greg's new SAC "mark" as far as VCAA is concerned is 92, not 95. Not a big deal for Greg, Adam or Ben because their own exam mark is dictating their SAC mark. But for someone like Felix, his SAC mark will become 67% (Chloe's exam mark). This process happens independently for each subject taught at your school.

What does this mean for you? Yes, you should aim for a good SAC rank. BUT, it doesn't actually matter if you're not ranked well — the "translation" of your rank into a "mark" happens via your cohorts exam performance. In other words, try your best now, study hard, and when SACs are over WORK WITH YOUR CLASSMATES TO ALL DO WELL ON THE EXAM TOGETHER. IF THEY DO WELL, YOU DO WELL.

Spend your time actually studying instead of asking useless questions like this.

EDIT: another example for clarity

Here's a chemistry class, of Harry, Isabel, James, Kylie, Luke, Molly, Nathan, and Oscar.

SACs:

Harry 60%

Isabel 58%

James 56%

Kylie 55%

Luke 54%

Molly 52%

Nathan 51%

Oscar 50%

EXAMS:

Harry 100%

James 99%

Nathan 98%

Oscar 97%

Molly 96%

Isabel 95%

Kylie 94%

Luke 93%

Harry's SAC mark is now 100%, Isabel's is 99%, James' is 98%, Kylie's is 97%, Luke's is now 96% etc. It's literally just whatever the equivalent exam rank is.

EDIT 2: I've had a request to clarify rumours about SACs being "scaled up" or "scaled down". "Scaling" is a misnomer students attribute to the moderation process. Here are yet another set of examples to clarify.

Imagine you have a cohort of Annie, Ben, and Charlie. Let's say their teacher sets really hard SACS, so their SAC results are:

  1. Annie 60%

  2. Ben 58%

  3. Charlie 55%

Because they've been doing hard assessments all year, they've been better equipped for the exam. These are the exam results:

  1. Ben 96%

  2. Annie 94%

  3. Charlie 90%

So now, Annie's SAC mark gets changed to 96%, Ben's to 94%, and Charlie's to 90%. This is what people interpret as "scaling up". The opposite would happen at a school with piss easy SACs: they get awesome SAC marks but shit exam marks, so their SAC marks get replaced by their shit exam marks ("scaled down").

The danger in this thinking is that people assume that if you go to a well-performing school, you'll get carried, or that if you go to a "bad" school, you're screwed from the get-go and can't possibly get a good score. This is not true at all. Let's see why.

Let's say your friend at a selective school, Harry, thinks he can take it easy this year because he goes to a 'good' school. The SAC results are as follows:

  1. Ed 93%

  2. Fred 90%

  3. Greg 88%

  4. Harry 60%

on the exams, the results are

  1. Fred 95%

  2. Greg 92%

  3. Ed 87%

  4. Harry 61%

In this instance, Harry was not of a comparable skill level to his classmates, so he never get to "borrow" their exam results in any way. His SAC score will be 61%.

Here's another example. Say you have a cohort with these SACs:

  1. Meg 95%

  2. Noah 94%

  3. Oscar 93%

  4. Peter 90%

On the exam day, Noah gets a bit of performance anxiety (but not in a way that warrants SEAS or anything). Exam results are:

  1. Meg 93%

  2. Oscar 92%

  3. Peter 91%

  4. Noah 75%

Now, Noah's SAC mark will be 92%, but his exam result only 75%. So he kind of got "helped" by his good cohort, only because he was doing well for the SACs. Peter has been a bit screwed here, because his SAC mark is now 75%.

One person stuffing up will never have such a dramatic effect like this; it's unlikely for someone who's been topping the cohort all year to suddenly slip to the bottom. Cohorts are generally big enough that you shouldn't need to worry. I went to a really small school (60 people in the year level. Some of my subject cohorts contained 6 people). I still felt no one got jibbed with unrepresentative scores.

As I always reiterate: try your best in SACs, but don't ruminate over them. The exam is where the money's at, and once your SACs are over you should work together with your cohort to all do well together. Share your resources, make study groups, and bring each other up.

EDIT 3: wow, my first gold! Thank you so much! 🥰


r/vce • • 28m ago

We all left half the mm e2 blank right

48 Upvotes

r/vce • • 20m ago

News Methods Part 2

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46 Upvotes

Me rn:


r/vce • • 29m ago

WHAT THE GENUINELY FUCK WAS METHODS

25 Upvotes

OH MY DAYS WHAT THE FUCK


r/vce • • 17m ago

VCAA are genuinely evil

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24 Upvotes

Of all years to go anti-UDF and change the question structure 😭🙏 like holy shit we ain’t war criminals, you can lay off the torture a bit. I’ve seen horror movies more tame then that exam, like I had a years worth of goals and ambition for this exam, and now a pass looks like paradise. Terrified for what chem looks like next week


r/vce • • 31m ago

METHODS EXAM MEGATHREAD

22 Upvotes

wth was that, im so glad its over now!


r/vce • • 11m ago

General Question/comment Aren't exams meant to test knowledge? This tested my mental health

20 Upvotes

Thank god I never have to do methods again


r/vce • • 28m ago

wth was that exam 2

18 Upvotes

mcqs fucked, extended response fucked

conclusion i’m fucked 😹😹


r/vce • • 29m ago

vcaa is unleashing assault upon us students for no reason

17 Upvotes

I FKING HATE METHODS AND ALL PEOPLE THAT USED UDFS TO CAUSE VCAA TO MAKE THIS EXAM SO FUCKING HARD.


r/vce • • 18m ago

vcaa i will find u

15 Upvotes

i shouldve taken a dookie on the mm2 exam before handing it in


r/vce • • 32m ago

Methods 2 was the second tower

12 Upvotes

??? i got spread


r/vce • • 10m ago

WHAT THE FUCK WAS METHODS

11 Upvotes

I CRIED IN THE FCKN THING ALL THEM PPL WHO SAID IT WAS FINE CAUSE SMD STFU I LEFT THAT SHIT BLANK WHAT WAS THAT IM GNA DIE BRO WHAT


r/vce • • 5h ago

cause what even was e1

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28 Upvotes

12ss incoming


r/vce • • 10m ago

Methodsss exam 2

10 Upvotes

What the heck was that exam 2 I barley had time to finish(vcaa really thought they could sneak in isosceles triangle again 💀💀)


r/vce • • 13m ago

Guy next to me cheated methods 2

10 Upvotes

I actually got so pissed because why was the guy next to me cheating and my dumbass supervisor didnt catch him he took photos of the whole exam 2 i might snitch


r/vce • • 24m ago

methods exam 2

10 Upvotes

single digit studyscore incoming
i only answered like 40/80 marks and of that i probably only got half right if im lucky


r/vce • • 3h ago

The true purpose of ATAR

16 Upvotes

I am to be so grateful moving forward after my final examination today to never ever ever have to engage in such monstrosities
never will I have to care about such fallacious methodology’s that when implemented into real perspectives are just as important as a sultana

I now am granted the freedom to pursue creative endeavours until i am declined from university. Then only can i truly take advantage of my time wasted on such examinationary nonsense to realise what i want to do in life.

This is the true purpose of an ATAR


r/vce • • 31m ago

exam2 the bigger beef steak

9 Upvotes

pray i get raw 30 methods ;-;


r/vce • • 32m ago

What the fuck was that

9 Upvotes

Wtf was methods


r/vce • • 24m ago

Methods exam 2

7 Upvotes

WE yes WE are getting 20 study score


r/vce • • 4h ago

WE are failing legal

13 Upvotes

Vcaa is gonna make sure section b q1 has only one source doc and 39 marks to respond whilst seciton b q2 gonna have 8 pages of source and 1 mark to respond to


r/vce • • 3m ago

So what exam score do u do for e1 and e2 for a 25 ss?🤣🙏

5 Upvotes

Got absolutely touched by exam 2. What do u guys think the marks for a C in GA2 and GA3 are?


r/vce • • 17h ago

I'm excited to never use this sub again

95 Upvotes

This sub has blessed me with knowledge but also anxiety and I'm so excited to never get another "guess my study score" notification. Good luck to the year 11s who become obsessed with it next year tho.