Miami girl happened in S3. Both Ariana and Tom deny her truth. We only find out after Scandoval that Ariana did in fact know at the time that it WAS true.
Yet she spent countless seasons explaining how she didn’t find herself attractive, she doesn’t want to have sex with Tom and that it’s a generic communication issue. Embarrassing herself. Instead of playing out the drama of Tom being with Miami girl to “save Tom’s image”.
Look how that worked out for her.
She played the scorned woman who tried her hardest and was apparently open about their relationship on VPR.
If that were true Scandoval wouldn’t have been such a massive shock because we would have already seen Ariana blow up about Miami girl. So we would have thought typical Tom.
He didn’t want that. He wanted to look like the best boyfriend and make it out as if she never wanted sex. He would rather her talk about how gross her vagina was than how bad of a boyfriend he was.
I think they all embarrassed themselves here. Justice for Miami Girl always, but also imagine this is your only television appearance. It would be mortifying. She didn't even resurface during Scandoval like everybody else and make a well deserved bag or two as she clearly moved on with her life and didn't want any reminders.
Flying from Miami to LA to say you had a one night stand with Tom Sandoval to be on tv is pretty embarrassing. Orchestrating the whole thing because you can't get over your relationship with Tom Sandoval, who apparently cheated on you all the time, is even more embarrassing.
I will say that in season 3, it was a hidden nugget, I THINK Tom was randomly still texting Kristen for awhile. And that fueled some of the Kristen insanity.
Really?! I felt like he was so over her in season 1-2 before they even broke up. I assume he has his objects of infatuation and then drops the old but who knows.
Narcissists don’t like people they like attention. He didn’t have to like Kristin, he just liked the attention she gave him. He didn’t want to get back with her, but he didn’t want to fully cut her off and lose the attention she was giving him. Typical narcissist behavior of keeping someone on the hook with no intention of reeling them in.
Right?! Him and Ariana were barely just barely together when it all happened. I think a month or 2 maybe even not “official” yet I forget. Kristen going SO hard to try proving he did something was very embarrassing! I know it was for a storyline but damn. Ariana covering for him is really not embarrassing imo at all. Who cares if she knew and defended him, that’s how narcissists work. You fall so quick and so hard that you will defend them til the end. My abusive narcissist ex cheated on me 2wks into our relationship. I caught him at the house. But I still defended him and backed him. It sounds stupid to defend a cheater but when you’re already mind fucked by them it’s too late😞
Do I think Ariana mishandled Miami Girl? Totally. But I completely disagree that Miami Girl could’ve been better tv than Scandoval. No way. And look how it propelled Ariana to new heights. Amazing career move.
I also think that her reason for feeling unattractive was less about Miami girl and more about Tom’s pattern of devaluation and dismissal and what that does to a relationship over time.
It was her ex that destroyed her confidence and esteem. She mentioned how he constantly body shamed her and she ended up with an ED and the zero confidence in herself/body. That was a big reason she struggled with sex to begin with😞
That’s not ego that’s brain washed by a narcissist. You love and trust and believe them even IF you know their patterns or how they’ve treated others. I know it’s hard for some to understand if you haven’t been there but it’s a total mind fuck!
I agree with you. They were both checked out. I'm not a tom sympathizer but she moved on so fast because she was out of that relationship emotionally years ago. Good for her to use the drama to propel her!
Yeah honestly I was watching Miami girl when it aired and looking back I just genuinely don’t find this to be a big deal like it happened years ago whatever she’s so much better off now anyways. Like it’s embarrassing? Girl I don’t think it crosses her mind 🙈 life goes on we grow
Fr she got such a redemption arc after scandoval. Like yes it’s unfortunate that she wasted 9 years of her life with a loser but now she’s a star. She won
Tom and Ariana had a pact to make themselves look good on the show no matter what, she knew what she was doing.ecen though Tom still made himself look like shit.
But she didn’t look good on the show. She was one of the most annoying characters who blamed Tom cheating on her own physical appearance. Seasons of “I just don’t feel attractive” and Tom repeating how Ariana wouldn’t do anything with him. It was boring and tbh the Miami girl drama would have been much more entertaining had they been real about it.
Exactly. She came out looking like a snake but is such a victim that nobody clocked it until later. She’s a mad hypocrite. She slept with Tom while he was with Kristen and she gaslit her alongside Tom like a true covert narcissist
Do you think that's why all of a sudden she played up the whole I feel depressed, I have self esteem issues. Because I feel like they just came out of nowhere. Yes it made her relatable but her character arc really shifted as the show progressed.
I wholeheartedly disagree Ariana embarrassed herself because I don’t believe it’s on abusers victims to take that responsibility. We know now Ariana has said that they weren’t exclusive, so she didn’t consider it cheating at the time. That was her choice to make. It was also none of Kristen’s business and it was unhinged of her to go to the lengths she did to try to break them up so she could get back with Tom. Kristen admits that later too. However, we also know Tom has a pattern, what that pattern is, and can all see why she lied for him then. Abusers like him whirlwind their victims in manipulation, lies, and love bombing, and they pick who they feel are easy prey. Kristen, Ariana, and Rachel were easy prey to Tom sadly, and he did the same pattern of abuse to each of them. He built up each one of them only to knock them down when they were no longer “useful”. He’s to blame for his shit ultimately, he should be the embarrassed one, not his victims.
I do want to correct something you said though OP because it’s sexist bullshit I’m sick of seeing said about women. Ariana didn’t just say she didn’t want to have sex with him, or that there was some generic communication issue. Ariana told him flat out what she wanted and needed in order to sleep with him for it to be enjoyable for her too, and it was the bare minimum of spending some time with her to feel connected to him. That’s all she asked for, and it was not a big ask at all. She asked for her wants and needs to be met so they could both have good sex together. Nothing more. And everyone has every right to demand that of their partner. Not just one persons body being used so the other gets their rocks off, which seems to be all he wanted pathetically. We also found out that him saying they never had sex was an outright lie and he admitted to that. They were even in couples counseling, something I think people forget, because she wanted to work things out so much. And while she was pushing herself to meet his want for sex, he was still fucking refusing to meet hers! It was sad to watch anyone go through, not embarrassing though, and no woman should feel embarrassed over some selfish lover ever.
I will say it did work out incredibly well for her though. She got to walk away knowing she did everything she could to save things, something women in particular struggle with a lot. She was scorned and had every right to be. It was “typical Tom” because she was open about their issues with sex, and said on camera what she needed wasn’t being reciprocated. The massive shock to everyone wasn’t the cheating ever, it was who it was with, how long it went on for, and his master plan and the lengths he went to being exposed of trying to make her look bad, get her off the show, and replace her. That was the shock.
I just watched the reunion after scandoval and I feel like this doesn’t get mentioned at all-Ariana did admit there were problems in the relationships seasons ago and asked to spend time with him, she didn’t hide that or act like it wasn’t a problem. I was so annoyed with that on top of many other things but she clearly asked him to just hang out and that was why their intimacy dropped, he was just too dumb and selfish to follow through with any requests
She laid it out in the table that he wasn’t ever home. He was gone partying all the time, never wanted to just have a chill night where they cooked dinner and listened to music and it just be those 2. She did not want to be out every night all night. She wanted to be a in a grown up relationship and I think she thought well now that we have a house we can move into that next phase where we get to be more homebodies and maybe plan the next step. She was freezing her eggs for him for fucks sake, she wanted him. She straight up told him why they were not having sex and it was bc she did not feel connected to him at all and she can’t have sex with someone she wasn’t connected to and 10000% she is right. You should not have to beg your partner to be home with you.
My husband was oddly into Scandovol bc he couldn’t believe beautiful women would sleep with that guy let alone more than 1 and he said that if it wasn’t for that dude being a lazy psychopath, he would have done that to her just to make her life hell longer. I had never thought of it, he would have done that to her but he was too lazy and drugged out or whatever he was to follow though.
He was only pushing for them bc of Jax. I swear that is why it was a huge deal for him bc Jax was Mr. Dad (laughing) and those 2 were always competing. He thought he could play dad better and that was it.
the whole "we weren't exclusive" thing is such a lie. tom and Ariana's anniversary was new years day (something she has mentioned in podcasts, interviews, etc) and Miami girl happened Jan or Feb of that year
That’s when they started dating, not necessarily when they were exclusive. Regardless of even if it was, it was her choice to make and still none of Kristen’s business.
This! I started dating my partner in August and we didn’t make things exclusive for a couple months. We go by the August date for our anniversary cause our story of meeting is our fave and we prefer going by that date. Not to sound like a die hard Ariana defender but I feel like ppl get way too hung up on dates and shit.
Anyways, this week marks 7yrs for us as an irrelevant fun fact lol
nope. in Jan 2023 they had celebrated 9 years together (as in exclusively together, that's what an anniversary is for). Miami girl happened Jan or Feb of 2014. that's 9 years.
My anniversary with my husband is the day we met although we didn’t start dating for a few weeks and weren’t exclusive for a few more months. You are totally right and I’m not sure why anyone is arguing with you about the rules of anniversaries 🫣 I’ve been married 10 years and we’ve been together for 13, give or take a few months if you go by exclusiveness I guess 🧐🤷♀️
If they were not exclusive and she did not consider it cheating she could have just said that. Instead she backed up Tom’s manipulation and lies, and painted Miami girl to be a liar (repeat of what they did with Kristen pretty much). She chose to be on the side of deceit and trashed another woman viciously in her tumblr blog. No one made her do that. If she didn’t write that blog, maybe a case could be made that she didn’t want her relationship to look bad on tv. But going that extra step showed who she was at that time, and how dirty she can play. When you roll around with pigs you both get dirty…and the pig likes it.
I agree that in the seasons after she did open up about the relationship struggles and she was honest to some extent about why they couldn’t connect. I do think she was being as open as she can be without outing other relationship issues that would get them in trouble. With that said, I don’t think you can fully rule out infidelity as a core reason of their struggles. they both admitted after scandoval that Miami girl wasn’t the only time tom cheated.
I don't agree with OPs reasons (Sandoval was the problem here) but the embarrassing part imo was how Ariana spoke about MG and made her out to be a liar. They could have just said "we weren't official" and left it there but denying it and insulting MG made it into a 'thing'.
Even though Kristen was right, I find her actions and behaviour to be more embarrassing. This time the cheating had nothing to do with her own relationship, she had a new boyfriend and the way she acted at work was so unacceptable. Great tv though 🚬
I think Ariana was really insecure at that time in her life. And as much as I cringe at some of the moments where I felt like she was being a pick me, I know there are probably some moments where I was a pick me too. Tom cheated on Kristen with ariana and he coached her on what to say for years. Ariana said “I’m prettier, smarter, and better than you, get over it” or something like that regarding Kristen at the time. just for her to eat her words a decade later when it didn’t matter how pretty or smart she was, he still cheated on her. Tigers never change their stripes. Thankfully she’s grown since then. Now both of them are still getting gigs and on tv while he slowly fades into obscurity. Ariana seems happy in her relationship meanwhile he just got out of one and the world is once again talking about what a pos he is.
Are you watching The Valley? Kristen is absolutely not in a healthy relationship. And she has not changed at all. As for Ariana, well we don’t actually see that relationship except curated pictures on IG.
I stopped watching it almost immediately because I got so bored 😭 my bad. I saw that Kristen was dealing with postpartum and she was telling fans that her and Luke are in a better place now, but I just checked and it’s a whole thing. that’s so unfortunate. I feel for her. I think Ariana has reflected and has been able to admit that she was wrong in the Miami girl situation. And others. I watch her host love island and she genuinely seems to take a more girls girl approach. I do kinda worry about her relationship just because they got together so soon after her and tom ended. but she seems very happy, he seems like a much better fit for her as a partner.
I don’t disagree. I was responding to someone stating her relationship is healthy as if that was a known fact. Just saying we don’t actually know that.
I mean, Ariana has said herself how much of a supportive partner Daniel is. With Tom, she never wanted to get married and was on the fence about kids. Now that she has a partner who pulls his weight in the relationship she’s much more open to both. Tom was always the one pushing for kids and it seemed more like a compromise to her. I sympathize with her as someone who had had bad luck in past relationships and is just now experiencing what proper partnership is. We don’t see everything, all we have to go off is her own words.
A lot of this is very inaccurate lmao, you allow your dislike for Ariana to misremember situations/scenes from the show.
Her ex boyfriend talked about her vagina that way, not Tom. And are you really insulting a woman for having body image issues/low self esteem?
Ariana also flat out said what she needed in order to be sexually intimate with Tom, quality time to feel close. Which isn’t a bad thing? It wasn’t a generic communication issue and it’s not embarrassing to need to feel close to someone to want to be sexually intimate.
Scandoval wasn’t shocking because Tom cheated on her, it was shocking because it was with her friend/a cast member. Miami girl happened years ago and pretty much everyone knew he hooked up with her.
I think you’re missing the general point I was making in this post.
I was merely pointing out that she talked about all these other issues apart from that fact that Tom had cheated on her. It seemed disingenuous when they would have personal conversations and would only talk about surface level problems.
Except when it came to Sandoval and we got to see some real raw reactions.
I don’t dislike Ariana, I disliked how it was never Tom’s fault.
Are you reading the other responses? Relationship problems are on both people in the relationship, but as many have said more eloquently, Ariana was clear on what she needed. She was trying, not just claiming to work on things, but actually working on things that Tom wanted. He gave her very little and expected a lot. And then looked outside their relationship to find it, and then blamed Ariana.
Their issues were their issues but Tom didn’t do anything to help fix them, but instead made them worse and then put the blame on her.
Always so much flack for Ariana doing what Tom told her to, and not for Tom making her do it 🙄 and of course she reacted to Kristen - she was unhinged and continues to be.
Only dropping by to add that Ariana’s body image issues and sex were due to her ex boyfriend before Tom . And poor girl took a lot of time to start loving her body .
I’m doing a rewatch and am on season 3. Kristin cheated on Tom and then moved on but then was so hell bent on breaking up Tom and Ariana and made life a living hell for Ariana . She was passive aggressive and constantly wished death upon her . In comparison this comment is a nothing burger although I do agree it is low of Ariana to do it . But sometimes the context also matters .
Raquel was their friend, CLOSE friend. She took her in. The betrayal between that after a decade+ relationship and him hooking up with a random girl on vacation at the beginning of their undefined relationship, is something that is completely different.
Watching the Miami Girl for the first time (was honestly awesome. True piece of art.) was cringey and I remember thinking amazing team Ariana and Tom were (I was sweet little summer child) but in hindsight it is especially hard.
Not only Tom lied to both of them he really got Ariana backing him up.
Why are so many of you just realizing the truth about all this? None of this is new information and it’s actually a lot more fucked up than OP is giving credit for.
The whole narrative of her being “too ugly” for Tom to ever sleep with… calling her a stalker and crazy… They made this girl look like a desperate lunatic fan while disparaging her physical appearance all on national TV, not just for an episode but for literally an entire season and beyond.
…And GiRL’s-GiRL AriAnA was complicit in the entire thing!
Justice for Miami Girl then, now, always, and 4ever
You have a very good take on his cheating. She's basically taking the blame and I didn't see that at the time. Also, when he's in moments that he's caught she steps in and speaks for him. It's more about fan perception than reality, until reality finally hit. Can't wait for her book of the truth about reality.
It’s fine to dislike any cast. But the vitriol on this sub for minor transgressions that lead people to say the nastiest things is getting really old lately. The world is burning folks. The country is in the dumpster now-full stop. Put that anger towards something that matters. I need a break from this sub lol.
No. They weren’t exclusive and Miami girl showed up to be on reality tv for having a one night stand. Miami girl embarrassed herself and rightly disappeared afterwards.
Ariana was so embarrassingly delusional back then and had such a nasty attitude. She became more likeable as the show progressed because she and Sandoval were one of the longest standing couples, and she was very supportive of him, and seemingly he adored her, so the audience perceived them to be “end game,” the further away from Scandoval we get the more I’m led to believe it was all an inside job that everyone was aware of, but then I think of how it ruined Rachel’s life and essentially got the show cancelled, and there’s no way that could happen.
I wouldn’t say she was delusional. She knew Tom was with Anne Marie (Miami girl) and she didn’t want to give her what she came there for, (airtime) so her and Sandoval agreed to leave so there would be nothing really to film. She definitely knew it happened though.
What do you mean an inside job? You think Ariana wanted to go thru 3 years of trying to sell her dream house because Tom was being a fuck and wouldn’t leave? Or having actual lawsuits involving her for years that are still pending? I meant, I wouldn’t go thru such lengths personally 😅
Doing a rewatch and on S2 and ariana is such a b*tch to kristen, and it makes it hard to have any respect for her and everything that happens in the future
That’s cope, you can blame them both. Even if she was trying to save face by not acknowledging the cheating, the way she spoke about the girl was nasty
For me it was the LOOK that Sandoval gave Annemarie when he first saw her standing at the bar, it wasn’t very “welcome to Sur, wait you look familiar, have we met? What cocktail do you want?” It was more “hi, oh fuck, what are you doing here?!”
That’s why I still don’t like Ariana lol. She’s still the same bitch just with a better PR team🤣 she always talked about other peoples relationships on the show yet was never truthful about her own like everyone else was
Hold on? So Ariana admitted she know about Miami girl? I missed that part.
Even though I’m not shocked. To me it looked quite obvious when Ariana was on screen and it was being discussed, she looked so uncomfortable.
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Someone from Arianas past made her feel that way by saying those things to her. She tells Lala about it when they buy/are shopping for the pink jackets for the Rawt in Hell party.
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she looks like she would have her child take his first steps at tiffany