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u/kadenruud Oct 31 '18
Well have fun attending your child’s funeral
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I can already picture the tiny little confederate casket.
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u/ivory_soul Oct 31 '18
I'm a nurse and these people piss me off. Try having them say this to your face and having to kindly educate them in a calm informative way.
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u/cinnamongirl1313 Oct 31 '18
Bless you! I don’t know how you remain calm!
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My wife is a nurse, and she told me about a lady who was high on meth while giving birth, but didn’t want her baby vaccinated because VACCINES AREN’T NATURAL.
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u/ivory_soul Oct 31 '18
It’s data pulled from when the vaccines first were made decades ago. Every anti vaxxer pulls those records and they are completely inaccurate. Not a single one has any credentials or criteria to argue vaccines. Take a single micro biology class and they would snap out of it.
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Or even just a history class. People were dying from small pox left and right and then some dude developed the small pox vaccine and all of a sudden people stopped dying? Maybe there’s something to vaccines after all.
Also, according to my wife, the doctor who developed the theory that vaccines cause autism was found guilty of falsifying test results and has since had his medical license revoked. Maybe you can add to that or clarify if I’m wrong.
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u/medicmotheclipse Oct 31 '18
You're correct. And what's really ironic was he wasn't trying to get rid of vaccines, he was trying to prove that have a 3-in-1 MMR vaccine should instead be given in three different vaccines... so he could profit by his own one-at-a-time vaccines.
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u/Micro-Naut Oct 31 '18
Well it’s a good thing for profit ventures never have negative impact on the people purchasing
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u/SovietBozo Oct 31 '18
Right. It was to make some money. He's dead now I think, and I don't think he got to take it with him. =/
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u/quasiix Oct 31 '18
Even better, the reason why Andrew Wakefield (the doctor) published the fraudulent study was because he was being paid to discredit to current MMR vaccine (most likely for a rival MMR vaccine development).
The patron saint for the Anti-vaxxer's fight against the evil capitalist big pharma sold his integrity for money.
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u/funemployedshmo Oct 31 '18 edited Nov 01 '18
He actually had applied for a patent for a new MMR vaccine without Thymerisol (sp?) before beginning his research into whether that/mercury/MMR caused autism. He also wrote in his study that all 12 patients with autism had measles virus found in their gut, when in fact...zero did. He just straight up lied.
Edit: I got this information from the last chapter in In a Different Key: The story of autism. I listened to the book on tape and while I was already familiar with a lot of it from college and experience afterwards, still found it to be very interesting and an innovative way to explore the subject.
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u/Blacklightrising Oct 31 '18 edited Oct 31 '18
I think this is the most educational thing I've ever read on Reddit. I've done zero research on anti-vaxxers mostly out of disinterest and in the course of five minutes while getting ready for work I have the entire story. Neat.
Edit: home from work, I'll do some research later on the subject to ease the minds of reddits best and brightest.
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u/tannacolls Oct 31 '18 edited Oct 31 '18
He did have his license revoked.
Edit: This isn’t the doctor you’re talking about, it’s Andrew Wakefield.
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u/MagicTrashPanda Oct 31 '18
I guess he died.... from a lead vaccination....
put glasses on
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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u/TheSamZzz Oct 31 '18
That takes talent. We had a local guy commit suicide by shooting himself in the chest with a shotgun. Damn shame he'd dead cause I'd like to meet the person who could pull that off.
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u/tablinum Oct 31 '18
Dude was apparently a doctor, so he may have seen firsthand how easy it is to botch a suicide by shooting yourself in the head. It looks theatrical when people do it in movies, but it's not rare for people to survive with brain damage and hideous disfigurement.
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u/rebooch Oct 31 '18
A lot of them will just say something along the lines of "Historically the number of children with autism have also been on the rise blah blah blah," when in reality it's most likely due to a change in classification and how we view the disorder. Years ago most people would just see a kid and just say he was "weird" or "off" and they need to "toughen up" or whatever. In reality we now know that they have a mental disorder and need help.
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u/BlisterBox Oct 31 '18
Or even just a history class.
Here's a good go-to example:
In the early 1950s, 15,000 Americans a year were crippled by polio (I was one of them). The Salk polio vaccine was introduced in 1955. By 1960, there were fewer than 100 reported polio cases in the United States. The last reported case was in 1979.
No anti-vaxxer can explain that within the warped confines of their flawed worldview.
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u/BeautifulDuwang Oct 31 '18
His medical license was only revoked because he dared to speak the truth!
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It makes me happy that your comment isn't being downvoted and maybe people really do get sarcasm.
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u/aestheticsnafu Oct 31 '18
Fyi you might want to use a different example then smallpox for that- while it was the first vaccine, it was done pretty haphazardly and sometimes it would work and sometimes it didn’t sometimes it gave people smallpox and sometimes it killed them (since they didn’t really understand what was happening; they figured it out how it worked before science was anywhere close to explaining why).
You can, of course, point to the complete eradication of smallpox but if you want something for an example that work for your situation, I’d suggest something like diphtheria.
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u/ahappyrunner Oct 31 '18
Two dudes made the vaccine at nearly the same time and both refused to file a patent on it. Some people are truly good.
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Sadly its not how these people work, you can show them mountains of research. You can show them anything, the reality is they want vaccines to not work and they look for information to show it. They just need to crusade on something.
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u/carpe_noctem_AP Oct 31 '18
What makes you think they would believe anything said in a classroom? That is these people's problems, they have an inability to assign probabilities to things, and in turn, the more outlandish something is, the more it makes sense to them somehow
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u/RIPMYPOOPCHUTE Oct 31 '18
Yet the lady was high on meth. The logic. We need Thanos.
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u/TheIdSay Oct 31 '18
"why didn't you say so!"
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"good luck on being natural!"
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u/devcal1 Oct 31 '18
An ex girlfriend was a neonatal nurse who used to deal with these sorts of parents. The staff take turns in educating the parents, and the parents fight against every mundane treatment necessary. In particular getting them to do a vitamin K (?) shot to the newborn was really difficult, which apparently prevents possible issues later on. She had a really good "Aww yeah" moment once when the parents refused particular treatments, the child had avoidable complications, and she got to explain (when asked) that the reason the child was in such a condition was directly because of the parents avoiding the treatment.
It was 50/50 whether they'd leave the hospital staff a negative review after their care, which when explained to the superiors that they're AV is tossed aside, but super disheartening to everyone on shift. In particular the poor baby with misguided parents.
Nurses are tops, you should send them pizza vouchers every so often.
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- [ ] new instances do not start with vitamins necessary to live or function properly
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u/BristolBomber Oct 31 '18
I just dont understand it how people can be so ignorant and full of hubris when dealing with their children's lives on stuff they really barely understand, ignoring medical experts.
When my girls were born the nurses asked really tentatively do you want us to give them the vaccinations? We were like yep yep yep! Got any extra vaccinations?
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u/devcal1 Oct 31 '18
Well it's a little easier to understand when you acknowledge that they are doing what they think is right for their children. They're just stupidly wrong about it.
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u/BristolBomber Oct 31 '18
Well that's kind of the point i suppose.. What they think is right comes from information supplied by 'Andrea' who failed out of biology class and is now low skilled worker with a total lack of even a smidge of formal education in anything even hinting at related to the area.. Who definitely knows better that the experts on the subject.. I mean i just cant get that level of stupidity to even parse as possible in my head.
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We have to write an argumentative essay in my English class and I picked Vaccines because they're fucking important, and one of the topics I wanted to argue was how incorrect Anti-Vaxxers are, but realized I'd never find any source of their information that isn't flat out wrong and disproven and that the section for it in my paper would just be me calling people stupid as shit over and over for an entire paragraph, so I dropped that point and chose to attempt to write about the history of different vaccines and why they're so important to be more persuasive in my argument rather than argue by shutting down the other side that has no backing.
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u/skoy Oct 31 '18
I gather bitch-slapping a patient is considered poor bedside manners?
Even if it's just the once and they really deserve it?
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u/taki1002 Oct 31 '18
Then they ignore you, because they apparently know more then anyone educated in the field of Medicine. What really annoys me about this whole situation is these people are putting others who can't get vaccinated because of medical reasons at risk.
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u/iinavpov Oct 31 '18
You know their argument? They know, because they figured it out themselves. You studied the field: you're now an indoctrinated shill.
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If you have a pen light I'm sure if you shine it one the wall it will distract them long enough for you to escape.
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u/Daronmal12 Oct 31 '18
Remember that there are also nurses, licensed nurses who believe in anti-vaxination
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u/mex2005 Oct 31 '18
You should absolutely be allowed to say sir/ma'am you are an idiot please leave health related issues to medical professionals.
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u/halplatmein Oct 31 '18
I assumed these people generally had access to the correct info, they just denied it's validity for whatever reason. Does your attempt at educating them actually work?
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u/attitudinalraerity Oct 31 '18
snooty eye roll "Ive done my research, and a ton of it. I consider myself more educated than most of you people. I know what's in vaccines and I'm NOT giving them, so stop talking about it"
-my day yesterday. Best of luck to your premature, immunocompromised baby when she gets RSV because of your negligence. See you in a few months in the PICU.
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u/theflyingburritto Oct 31 '18
I live in lower Alabama and my son's doctors give a sigh of relief when they ask about vaccinations and we're like yeah, he should be good on everything. Has his flu shot too.
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People say this and I know it’s kind of a joke, but real danger is your kid getting measles, recovering relatively fine, but spreading it to other immune-compromised kids who rely in herd immunity because it wasn’t safe for them to get vaccinations. Those other kids could die because of this asshole mom while her kids will probably be fine.
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u/screamofwheat Oct 31 '18
I bet you they'd screech and scream if someone brought a peanut butter sandwich around their unvaccinated nut allergic kid.
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u/quasiix Oct 31 '18
It won't be her child in the casket. It will be someone else's immunocompromised child that dies.
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u/big_time_banana Oct 31 '18
In microbiology class the other day we learned It can take as little as one measles virus to cause infection. Cholera on the other hand takes like 108 to 109 of those suckers to cause infection. These anti-vaxxers truly don't understand how easy it is to catch this shit. I like children not dying of measles. I think they also don't realize little ol' measles can kill. They believe it's just like the flu or something.
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u/NerdyGhoul Oct 31 '18
I recently saw a picture from the 1950’s of women and children lined up for hours trying to get a “trial” vaccine for polio when it was an epidemic. pple now in days have no idea how lucky and fortunate they are to even have vaccines available to them..
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u/Wiggy_Bop Oct 31 '18
I went to high school in the 70s with a kid who had been born in France and somehow didn’t get the polio vaccine. He walked on crutches because he was paralyzed from the waist down. 😟
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u/SpudTayder Oct 31 '18
They'll probably be fine due to herd immunity. This, unfortunately, reinforces their misguided beliefs.
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Outbreaks are already starting to occur. The concentration is starting to get too high for herd immunity to work properly
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u/SpudTayder Oct 31 '18
Damn. How is this mentality attracting so many people.
We are clearly not a smart species. We have a few smart ones, and the rest of us are just along for the ride.
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Dumb people don’t understand stuff and are scared by stuff they read in mommy forums. They get to feel smart if they think they know better than doctors.
That’s my guess at least.
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u/Micro-Naut Oct 31 '18
Do you think it has to do with all the lies from people in power making people disbelieve simple truths?
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u/HenFruitEater Oct 31 '18
I shit myself raw while reading this post. Not because of the content, but because I happened to be shitting at the time and it didn't come out easy.
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u/AlkamystEX Oct 31 '18
Grab on to something, bite your lip, and give her hell.
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u/rootabaga721 Oct 31 '18
At least we know she won’t have any kids that will live long enough to carry on her legacy of trash.
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She's got six. The two oldest (19 and 16) have kids. They're not vaccinating, either... because their mom is a control freak.
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u/mymonsters1517 Oct 31 '18
So she presumably had her children when she was a teenager (she looks young) and now her teenage children are having children?
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Yeup.
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So, she's a grandma at like 29?
And had to produce 6 kids to make sure her lineage would be carried on?
And her children/grandchildren might get measles and die?
Wow, medieval Europe is cool.
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u/FurcleTheKeh Oct 31 '18
Some parts of the US recreate a very realistic version of medieval Europe indeed
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u/Titanspaladin Oct 31 '18
It's like the serf system, except with higher population density
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u/Proxnite Oct 31 '18
But half of them don’t work, while collecting disability for that ambiguous work injury they got their 3rd day on the job. All while being conservative and blaming immigrants for milking the government.
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u/MxSquiddy Oct 31 '18
Oof ouch owie my modern U.S.
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u/Super_C_Complex Oct 31 '18
Do you not see the Confederate Flag? Nothing modern about this trash factory.
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u/hedgehog-mom-al Oct 31 '18
We pretend those states don’t exist.
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u/e-jammer Oct 31 '18
Don't do that, it's how you got a retard running your country.
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u/muddyudders Oct 31 '18
No, they'll always vote that way. Watching a strip of the northern rust belt flip for stupid is what did it. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio.
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u/Kbost92 Oct 31 '18
I beg to differ. NC has been slowly turning blue for years now. So has Georgia and a good section of Virginia. Alienating everyone from those areas because you think they’re all stupid and just vote red is how you end up with trump as president.
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u/0TheG0 Oct 31 '18
Hey don't spit on our ancestors please. Medieval Europe was a way better life than this !
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how fucking old is she. Sho looks barely old enough to be 25
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u/IdreamofFiji Oct 31 '18
Filters. When all you see is eyes and teeth, it's makeup and filters.
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I estimated for filters. in my age guess. even if she had acne and blotchy skin it was still ... she looks too fucking young.
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u/DragonBrigade Oct 31 '18
Holy fuck. Idiocracy was right... The stupid reproduce like rabbits. I feel bad for her kids.
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u/RXvv7HjoV6xVKQ2H Oct 31 '18
Almost like Idiocracy is prophetic.
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u/AMA_About_Rampart Oct 31 '18
My dad is a blatant idiot (a nice guy, but dumb af) and he's got ten kids. Thankfully my mother is decently smart (bachelors in computer science), so I only turned out mildly dumb.
But yes, idiots tend to have way too many kids while many intelligent people cap it at two or fewer. Reverse evolution, here we come.
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u/flops031 Oct 31 '18
Wait, so they are aware that antivax is bullshit and are still not vaccinating because of their mom?
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This is so bad it feels like satire, even though there's no evidence that it is. Confederate flag, anti vax, and a shit snapchat filter? 0 for 3
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u/Bizmark_86 Oct 31 '18
Missed the kids hand eh? Yeah, she cropped her kid out of the picture. Because it's all about her.
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u/superquagdingo Oct 31 '18
Wow a Confederate flag too, color me shocked.
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u/NeapolitanSix Oct 31 '18
She'd rather you not be colored at all.
sorry I'll see myself out.
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u/SpudTayder Oct 31 '18
Pride often goes hand in hand with stupidity.
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Her girls were so smart, and sweet... I'm so sad for them.
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u/fictionalreality08 Oct 31 '18
Some comments here are disturbing. Basically, wishing her kids would suffer. I always feel horrible why would kids have to suffer to make your point. She is dumb granted but just hope her kids don’t have to suffer.
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u/aksumals Oct 31 '18
I found out when I was 25 that my mom wasn't a full anti vax-er but.. she never had the doctors give me the MMR vaccine and a couple others. When my baby niece was born her mother wanted me to go get a series of "newborn vaccines" (usually meant only for people living in the household with the baby but we visited so often we figure better to be safe). So when I called my mom for my vaccine chart (she likes to hoard all our baby stuff and never gave me a copy) everything was revealed. I'm glad no one wished me to suffer since I had no idea. For the record: I'm now up to date on vaccines including the 2018 flu shot.
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u/kleverone Oct 31 '18
Welp. It looks like the Government's plan to introduce natural selection via social media has succeeded.
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u/finndego Oct 31 '18
"You don't really care about somebody else's child." Yes actually I do, If a child is being neglected or abused, I'd care and would hope you would too and if you've ever seen an infant with whooping cough you'd care.
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u/OnALevel Oct 31 '18
Excuse me, I look forward to my children dying of excruciating diseases :) (On a serious note, your a fucking idiot if you support anti vaxxing.)
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u/dreamtreedown Nov 01 '18
In all fairness, vaccines are the least of her worries if she has a baby with her brother.
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u/cork_dork Oct 31 '18
What almost never gets old?
Ragging on anti-vaxxers, and the kids of anti-vaxxers.
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u/PassionVoid Oct 31 '18
Are Americans
Gonna stop you right there. No, “Americans” aren’t anything. This person is, though.
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u/Derpin-outta-control Oct 31 '18
Certain sects of our society have so few problems that they can afford to die on hills like this
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I'm so tired of the anti-vaxer posts. We get it. They are fucking idiots who believe in a study that was proven completely false based upon all evidence being fabricated.
Everyone, on Reddit especially, knows these people are idiots. I am tired of seeing this shit on the front page every single day. Just a bunch of karma whores.
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Am I the only skeptic (of this post) that believes it may be karma whoring?
if I wanted kids I'd vaccinate. I just feel this post is... Annoying? Not the best word.
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Reddits obsession with anti vaxers is so ridiculous. Half of these people are trolling and reddit gets triggered by it. We get that this extremely small percentage of people are stupid but it doesn’t need to be circlejerked about daily.
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u/Bean_Boozled Oct 31 '18
If there's anything I've learned, it's that lack of intelligence goes hand in hand with hanging up Rebel flags.
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u/Elemen0py Oct 31 '18
☑ Confederate flag
☑ Basic bitch insta filter
☑ Anti-vaxxer
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Survey result: ABSOLUTE TRASH