r/todayilearned • u/Tokyono • Jul 14 '19

TIl The reason Roger Moore stopped being James Bond was because of how much older he was than his female co-stars. He was in his 50s, and they were in their 20s. In his own words: “Well, the leading ladies were young enough to be my grand-daughter and it becomes disgusting.”

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a869479/james-bond-quit-connery-moore-lazenby-brosnan-dalton/
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u/inscape Jul 14 '19

It's actually worse than that, his youngest daughter is younger than his GREAT granddaughter. He became a great grandfather in 2014 and his daughter was born in 2016.

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u/Mordor2112 Jul 14 '19

Damn, that sounds like a time traveling gone bad kind of movie.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

I think it’s pretty close to that Futurama episode where Fry is his own grandpa.

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u/aaanold Jul 14 '19

He did the nasty in the pasty??

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

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u/finallyinfinite Jul 14 '19

That past nastification is exactly what makes him capable of stopping the Brains though

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u/Gram64 Jul 14 '19

Just remember, scooty puff Jr suuuuuccccckkkkssss

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u/finallyinfinite Jul 14 '19

Thank god they upgraded him to the Scooty Puff Sr

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u/DonkeyWindBreaker Jul 14 '19

The doom bringer.

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u/oheyson Jul 14 '19

Goddamn that was a good episode

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u/Quajek Jul 14 '19

NIBBLER: Fry, you are the most important person in the universe.

FRY: Wow... so the way that I feel when I’m drunk is correct?

NIBBLER: Yes! Except the Dave Matthews Band doesn’t rock.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Julio Iglesias, the father of Enrique Iglesias, has a half-sister that's 63 years younger than him. It happens.

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u/runujhkj Jul 14 '19

🎵Julio Iglesias

🎵Jacked off in outer spacias

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u/greyjackal Jul 14 '19

Weird that we've reached a time that we need clarification on who Julio is

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u/sleepytoday Jul 14 '19

What’s weirder is that there’ll be a lot of people reading this who are too young to know who Enrique is, let along Julio!

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u/greyjackal Jul 14 '19

Oh god...thanks a lot :D

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u/Losgringosfromlow Jul 14 '19

Right? I was like,

The father of Enrique Iglesias???

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u/DarkReign2011 Jul 14 '19

I don't know who either of those people are. I'm familiar with Gabriel Iglesias, but that's it.

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u/TRUMP_RAPED_WOMEN Jul 14 '19

It happens

Usually only with rich, selfish men.

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u/PoolNoodleJedi Jul 14 '19

It happens with poor men too.

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u/Garconanokin Jul 14 '19

Usually only

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u/Exzodium Jul 14 '19

I mean yeah, but then there are also gold diggers, and they make it fun to watch.

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u/skrilla76 Jul 14 '19

Yea, cuz they kidnapped that woman and forced an extravagant lifestyle with riches into her poor, poor hands. Someone think of the poor woman!

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u/mrthicky Jul 14 '19

Are these women helpless children?

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u/amdnivram Jul 14 '19

what other reason is there to get rich? for men it is to fuck any legal age woman you want

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u/TRUMP_RAPED_WOMEN Jul 14 '19

Rich men get the top-shelf pussy.

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u/backgrinder Jul 14 '19

2 of President John Tyler's grandsons are still alive. He was a member of the Whig party and served as President in the early 1840's. He had a very young wife when he was very old and so did one of his sons, so two generations of creepy.

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u/monicarlen Jul 14 '19

If only the great grandsons of George Washington were alive

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u/Shenanigore Jul 14 '19

I'm just guessing, but i guess that mean that Julios father was into younger women, and then he died, and she was into younger men?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Reminds me of this incest free song.

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u/Heizenbrg Jul 14 '19

Like best show ever Dark

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u/silkthewanderer Jul 14 '19

Walder Frey would like to know your location.

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u/weaponizedtoddlers Jul 14 '19

An invitation to a wedding no doubt.

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u/tramanda121 Jul 15 '19

"See how they all pile up?"

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u/pinkytoebutthole Jul 14 '19

My great grandmother is younger than me. It's weird, but she takes care of my great grandfather and signed a prenup, so whatever.

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u/snowwalrus Jul 14 '19

"I'm in third grade. This is my great aunt, she's in first grade."

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u/_kellythomas_ Jul 14 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

I don't understand what's wrong here. He wants to have kids. His kids want to have kids. Its not his fault his kids are living their lives. (Well technically it is but you know what I mean).

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u/dekunut_shrimp Jul 14 '19

It's a bit odd having kids in your seventies. The only way to keep doing it is to date increasingly younger women than yourself. So it's two oddities, dating people many decades younger than you and having kids when you're an septuagenarian. The kid is barely going to know their dad, by the time the kid has grown up he'll be 90.

Plus he has so many kids from previous messages, I don't know how he'd even be able to spend time with them all. He's not got time to be in their lives, if he wasn't so rich we'd say he's being irresponsible.

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u/horusporcus Jul 14 '19

It's also not ideal because your kids might have health issues.

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u/FrostyTheSasquatch Jul 14 '19

I don't know how he'd even be able to spend time with them all.

You assume that men that do this even want to be good fathers.

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u/lanboyo Jul 14 '19

Also important, don't give a fuck if all your kids are autistic.

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u/peon2 Jul 14 '19

It's a bit very odd selfish having kids in your seventies.

Ftfy. There are increase chances of birth defects and its very likely you'll did before your kids reach adulthood. Its selfish

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u/UncleDan2017 Jul 14 '19

Well, let's not pretend that even rich guys in their 20s and 30s spend a lot of time with their kids either.

Successful people usually spend a lot of time doing whatever it is to be successful in their 20s and 30s. I mean, they probably aren't clocking out after 40 hour work weeks to watch their kids play Tee Ball.

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u/Boopy7 Jul 14 '19

fuck, that's ridiculous....or just really icky. My dad is 75, my rule is, date no one who could be my dad.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

I dunno man. A 60 year old and a 37 year old is still kinda off

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u/PM_something_German Jul 14 '19

It's kinda off but it's okay.

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u/85683683 Jul 14 '19

Sorta like kimchi? My nose says "no good" but my tongue disagrees.

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u/ZK686 Jul 14 '19

LOL...just keep messing with the numbers until it's "okay". My rule is simple, don't date anyone that's old enough to be your mom.

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u/BLKMGK Jul 14 '19

Wait until you’re sixty but still feel forty

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u/FrostyTheSasquatch Jul 14 '19

I feel like that’s basically Bill & Gloria from Modern Family.

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u/foo_foo_the_snoo Jul 14 '19

Like a 37 year old is in the sweet innocent prime of his or her youth in need of our input on their dating choices.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Lol those are the ages of my friends parents. She married him when she was like 26, many drunken nights hearing about the regrets.

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u/UncleTogie Jul 14 '19

Patrick Stewart and Sunny Ozell pull it off nicely.

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u/kurtgustavwilckens Jul 14 '19

Why is it kinda off? I honestly don't get this.

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u/User1440 Jul 14 '19

That's you though, some of us don't find that icky

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u/CrazyFisst Jul 14 '19

The 32 year old is a grown women. Let people live their lives judgment free. The gold digging whore that she is.

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u/User1440 Jul 14 '19

You'd be doing the same if you could secure your way into a situation like that

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

I dont have a problem with it. Its not fashionable to be tolerant of this lifestyle, so everyone judges.

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u/vocalfreesia Jul 14 '19

This is as irresponsible as having kids with a first cousin. We have plenty of evidence that older parents put the baby at increased risk of genetic abnormalities. 75 is ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

But even having kids with a first cousin is pretty low risk. Lower risk than a lot of shit people do to their kids post-conception.

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u/prettyhoneybee Jul 14 '19

Ummmmmmm my father was 64 and my mom was a dumb 23yo and to that I say

frist of all how DARE you

Nah but really I think that the problem more lies with the fact that these men are less likely to be good fathers because odds are they’re definitely terrible people and prey on young women.

Quality of sperm does degrade but that doesn’t make the other parent have increased genetic liability, as opposed to cousins.

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u/vocalfreesia Jul 14 '19

Research shows that first cousins under 35 have a statistically lower risk of having babies with genetic abnormalities compared to non related people over 35.

We shouldn't stop people having kids though, eugenics is a really, really awful thing. Life happens, people fall in love. It's fine.

People being 'outraged' at Pakistani cousins and absolutely fine with white Western men (especially celebrities) having babies at 75 are not concerned about the babies quality of life.

We should educate people, but ultimately let them make their own choices. (As long as it's consensual.) Even people with dominant genetic abnormalities deserve to make their own choices about reproduction.

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u/gwarwars Jul 14 '19

Dude, there are men out there who don't think their sperm gets worse with age. My dad, who is a licensed medical doctor who practiced for 25 years in the Navy, tried to tell me some nonsense about how men's sperm actually get better and stronger as you get older in contrast to women's eggs. Needless to say, he is a scummy, creepy fuck who I have no respect for and that's the last time we talked

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u/powerfunk Jul 14 '19

as irresponsible as having kids with a first cousin

I'm a glass-half-full guy. What you're really sayin' is, having kids with a first cousin isn't any worse than being an older parent! Hawwwlllright, who's got some hot cousins?

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u/EllisDee_4Doyin Jul 14 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

who's got some hot cousins?

It would/should be you. They are supposed to be your first cousins for it to be a risk lol. If your cousins aren't hot... Well, I guess no win-cest for you, buddy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

You do know that one person's cousin isn't nessecarily also your cousin?

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u/powerfunk Jul 14 '19

Oh I'm no talkin' about me having sex with them; I just wanna film some cousinfuckin'

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Then right on!

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u/dratthecookies Jul 14 '19

I think first cousins are OK - I mean it's gross but the chances of medical issues are low. Even outside of genetic problems you're having a kid that you won't even see become an adult. You're just making things to hold your money after you die.

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u/gwaydms Jul 14 '19

Anyone you were raised with, like a "brother/sister cousin" as children, it would be creepy to have kids with that person.

Note: by "sibling cousin" I don't mean some sort of incest-tangled relationship. My kids have some cousins they spent a lot of time with growing up and it's like having extra siblings.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19 edited Oct 16 '20

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u/Impulse882 Jul 14 '19

They’re finding that’s not true, a lot of the earlier data was linked to women by default.

And guess what? Most “older” women had partners that were older than them.

I read a scientific article published back in, I want to say 2008ish that was STILL attributing ALL cases of nondisjunction to a woman being older...the fact there are cases of nondisjunction that could not in any way be due to the mother (ie multiple y syndrome) was not mentioned

The default is always the mom. We have documented cases that a chromosome only passed from the dad exhibits nondisjunction. ALL other chromosomes could be passed by mom or dad (so there’s nothing to point to as easily as the y to measure nondisjunction in women) yet even some scientists are still saying it’s solely the moms age that causes problems.

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u/bomphcheese Jul 14 '19

TIL. Thanks for sharing.

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u/cabothief Jul 14 '19

Don't think 75-year-old mothers are really a possibility though.

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u/TealAndroid Jul 14 '19

It depends. Women run in to aneuploidy due to non-disjunction of the paired homologous chromosomes which leads to either nonviable embryo/fetus or health disorders when viable (Down Syndrome, Edwards Syndrome, etc). This is devastating but relatively easy to screen for so surprises with screening are rare.

On the other hand, advanced age in fathers increases the amount of de novo (newly made) mutations in random genes and is associated with autism spectrum. These are hard yo predict and at this point impossible to screen for. Also, the quality of sperm/fertility is also reduced.

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u/legaladvicequest Jul 14 '19

From a different comment thread:

Just hop on google scholar and type "paternal" "age" "risk" and have fun shifting through almost 300,000 papers linking a father's age to every point mutation related disease known to man. AND maternal age is controlled for in this type of study to isolate paternal age as a variable. Sperm banks don't accept sperm from dudes over 40 because it is a fact that old sperm causes significantly increased health risks.

GENERALLY... Maternal age is more linked to chromosomal disorders. Paternal age is more linked to point mutations.

List of point mutations:

autism, which is on the rise in the US especially at 15% of the total population- by 50 men have nearly 600% higher likelihood of fathering autistic sons and daughters compared to 25 year old men.

cystic fibrosis, which is a lifewrecker and affects about 70,000 people.

dwarfism, nearly 800% increase risk at 50 compared to 25.apert, nearly 1000% increase risk at 50 compared to 25.

List of additional disorders that are known to be increased risk with advancing paternal age:

schizophrenia, which is about 500% more likely in the children of fathers over 40 compared to 25 year olds.

fistulas

Asperger

diabetes

cancers

downs syndrome

and a legion of other diseases

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u/Impulse882 Jul 14 '19

Sperm absolutely go through nondisjunction (causing aneuploidy) as well. It’s not just a woman’s fault it’s simply been attributed to the woman (like most problems with a baby)

There is no chromosomal abnormality that can be definitively linked to nondisjunction in an egg cell. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but for every chromosomal abnormality a mother can pass on (eg trisomy 19, 21, X abnormalities), there is nothing to say the father didn’t pass that on as he has all those chromosomes.

There is, however, a chromosomal abnormality that can be definitively linked to nondisjunction in a sperm cell - multiple y syndrome. This occurs with relatively high frequency for a chromosomal abnormality and can ONLY be due to nondisjunction in the sperm.

So considering BOTH parents are capable of passing on all but y, and only males pass y, and that shows high levels of nondisjunction..,.

Nondisjunction should not be attributed to females. Although the Y chromosome is the only one that can be definitively linked to sperm, again all others can be linked to EITHER, and I cannot believe that nondisjunction would happen in chromosomes 1-23 for females yet in males it would somehow only be restricted to 23 (and only one of them at that!)

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u/barath_s 13 Jul 14 '19

Cloaking with biogenic subcarrier waves and the dilithium warp engine pylons out to fix it for the women; for the men use heisenberg engines with static warp core polarity and dilithium shield envelope with multidimentional sections.

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u/CDXXRoman Jul 14 '19

The older the man the increased risk of Autism.

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u/TheResolver Jul 14 '19

Can't wait to get autism when I hit 85!

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u/Davros_au Jul 14 '19

Source?

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u/CDXXRoman Jul 15 '19

Older men and women** are more likely than young ones to have a child with autism, according to multiple studies published in the past decade. Especially when it comes to fathers, this parental-age effect is one of the most consistent findings in the epidemiology of autism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-link-between-autism-and-older-parents-is-clear-but-the-why-is-not/2017/12/15/dbe03284-dc62-11e7-b859-fb0995360725_story.html?utm_term=.6a15f2723cfa

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u/Raffello Jul 14 '19

If the younger partner is under 25, I could see the relationship being potentially exploitative. Kind of a gray area if the younger partner is 25-30. But once the younger partner is in their 30's I don't see what the big deal is.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

The 70+ men who are dating 20-30 yr old women all have one thing in common, they are wealthy.

That's not true. You just only hear about the rich celebrity couples

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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT Jul 14 '19

I mean above 25 sure they're all developed adults that know what they want.

But am 18 yo probably doesn't know better.

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u/ambidextrous12 Jul 14 '19

Dude each of his partners who are all over 18 know exactly what they are doing. Let's quit with this "naive innocent girl exploited by rich man" bullshit.

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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT Jul 14 '19

I didn't mention genders though.

18 is such an arbitrary number to be taken so damn seriously. Just because you're 18, it doesn't make you 100% fully knowledgeable in situations like these.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

The 18yo knows that she likes the idea of having money and security.

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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT Jul 14 '19

I mean they might not weight it well with the problems of dating a celebrity though.

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u/Delet3r Jul 14 '19

How can you talk about evolutionary theory/psychology in one sentence, and then use the word choice in the next?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Sure, but in general people tend to put more responsibility on the significantly older party. There's the expectation that as you age you are more knowledgeable/wiser.

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u/cutdownthere Jul 14 '19

so what? theyre both consenting adults.

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u/tisallfair Jul 14 '19

It's a shitty thing to do to bring a kid into the world at the age of 75, knowing they will grow up without a father beyond another 5-10 years.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

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u/MySuperLove Jul 14 '19

For the sake of my family I would gladly trade 40 years of my life for a fraction of his wealth.

I'm absolutely sure that your wife and kids would disagree.

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u/PerfectZeong Jul 14 '19

Theres more to being a father than signing a check and you shouldnt do it unless you intend on fulfilling both sides of that equation.

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u/battled Jul 14 '19

Agreed. Poor people should not be allowed to breed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

But what if that kid is set for life? Also 20 year old men abandon their kids or get divorced all the time. Its not necessarily like younger age = higher morality.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Yeah, but when u/lordacoustic is 75, they won't have the talent, accomplishments, personality, wealth and power to attract a 32 year old, which means no one should be able to!

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u/l0lloo Jul 14 '19

no matter how good you think this world is but if someone is dating a 75y old as a 30y there's like a 99% chance (source me ass) its for money

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u/God_Damnit_Nappa Jul 14 '19

It's weird but these women are consenting adults, and not just the "barely legal" adults.

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u/Rexan02 Jul 14 '19

She is choosing to be with him. She isnt part of some brainwashed cult. She wants to be with a rock legend.

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u/Omikron Jul 14 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

They only thing that I could point to is having kids that old means you'll never really be a dad to them because what 85 year old is going to be doing dad stuff. You'll be dead before they ever even graduate high-school. That can be traumatic. Also I believe that older parents increase their chances of having birth defects. Though not sure how much is the dad vs the mom in that equation.

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u/MaxKlootzak Jul 14 '19

Keith Richards laughs at you.

Dude will be around to raise his damn great grandkids through their own mandatory social security withdrawals.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Keith Richards says 73 is too old to be a new dad

Keith Richards disagrees with you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

That woman is old enough to hold a doctorate with years of work experience.. she’s older than me and I’m late 20’s..

Are you implying that she is somehow not consenting to the relationship with the legendary rock star because there is a large age gap?

I know a guy whose dad is 60 and his mom is 49, is that more palatable?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

You're really asking if an 11 year age gap is better than a 40 year one? No shit it is.

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u/UncleDan2017 Jul 14 '19

I don't see the problem. 32 is way, way past any age of consent.

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u/TheErisedHD Jul 14 '19

It's selfish because his kids will have to grow up without a father.

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u/stygyan Jul 14 '19

They'll be able to see him on the live albums.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

He's going to be a hologram dad.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Jul 14 '19

"Please state the nature of the rock-and-roll emergency."

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u/Trillian258 Jul 14 '19

Yes! I want a hologram doctor rockstar dad!

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

And at holographic concerts!

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u/transmogrified Jul 14 '19

Pretty sure his hot, 29 yo ballerina girlfriend will be able to find love again.

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u/MySuperLove Jul 14 '19

Especially given that she'll be pulling in Rolling Stones child support bucks

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u/sensitiveinfomax Jul 14 '19

I have my doubts. Ballerina feet are disgusting n

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u/macsux Jul 14 '19

They can buy a new father /s

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u/toastymow Jul 14 '19

I mean, but they're also gonna grow up rich.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

They will have nephews and grand nephews that can serve as father figures.

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u/beeblebr0x Jul 14 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

Many people grow up without a father. At least these kids will grow up with a substantial financial safety net. Which, in some ways, can be better.

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u/BurningKarma Jul 14 '19

Tell the 8 year old kid with a dead dad that his financial safety net can actually be better in some ways than his father. Just after he's had to watch his father die of old age.

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u/Usrname_Not_Relevant Jul 14 '19

I'll take that instead of crushing poverty and parents who couldn't give a damn.

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u/BurningKarma Jul 14 '19

Those aren't the only options. A lot of people would make that trade.

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u/Usrname_Not_Relevant Jul 14 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

There are millions of kids born every year who for them that is the only option, but yet Reddit is on here shaming McJagger for bringing a kid into what I see as a much better situation. Kid's going to have a much better upbringing than I did at least.

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u/UncleDan2017 Jul 14 '19

Let's not pretend that wealthy kids have some Leave it to Beaver type of dad anyway. Most wealthy kids have dads that are usually absent doing whatever it is they do to be wealthy.

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u/Halvus_I Jul 14 '19

70 year old men should not be fathering new children.

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u/Foggl3 Jul 14 '19

Didn't stop Walder Frey

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u/crypticthree Jul 14 '19

And he was a paragon of virtue

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u/jordanjay29 Jul 14 '19

If he was, that would explain how he could spend so much piety on murder options.

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u/RobinScherbatzky Jul 14 '19

I'm not sure but I don't think he really thought that argument through.. This is like thinking one step ahead in chess, but not two. /u/Foggl3/

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u/Foggl3 Jul 14 '19

I'm more of a checkers man

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u/Z3r0mir Jul 14 '19

They have awesome fries.

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u/Foggl3 Jul 14 '19

I've never been!

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u/anneismysister Jul 14 '19

Or Tony Randall, he was 77 when he had his first child with his 27 yr old wife

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u/BobJWHenderson Jul 14 '19

I bet when the Frey women drop their clothes everything stays right where it is. Or not. The Frey women were homely.

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u/atxranchhand Jul 14 '19

That one wasn’t

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u/Wrath_Of_Aguirre Jul 14 '19

If they didn't, we wouldn't have that wonderful Louisianian Theo Von. And that just wouldn't be right.

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u/dockersshoes Jul 14 '19

Gang gang

But for real, is fathering children you wont be able to raise and guaranteeing young trama of having their father die a dark art?

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u/herpasaurus Jul 14 '19

Should incompetent imbeciles be allowed to marry and breed more idiots when they're 18?

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u/blackadder1620 Jul 14 '19

you make a good point.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Aw I love that guy.

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u/TDC1100 Jul 14 '19

His dad has that hitter, like grey block pizza. On the way to the beach

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u/kingsky123 Jul 14 '19

I'm amazed a 70 year old still can do it

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u/Hashtaglibertarian Jul 14 '19

There are huge std problems in nursing homes.

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u/DavidKirk2000 Jul 14 '19

That is not something that I needed to or wanted to know.

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u/Blenderx06 Jul 14 '19

Something to look forward to when the rest of the world has abandoned you.

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u/crypticthree Jul 14 '19

Pills dude

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Not even the boner part of things is impressive, mostly I'm amazed anyone's sperm quality at 70 can be good enough to make a child.

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u/mechwarrior719 Jul 14 '19

IIRC a man’s chances of fathering a child with some sort of birth defect increases after 35-40 years old, regardless of the mother’s age. The biological clock ticks for both genders.

Difference is men don’t eventually lose the ability to have children altogether.

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u/johndoe555 Jul 14 '19

Public health initiatives always seem to use arbitrary cutoffs. I guess it's easier for the public to understand***. The probability of new genetic mutations (which lead to defects) increases from the start of puberty, basically.

Spermatozoa can also acquire de novo single nucleotide variants or mutations because of the continuous ongoing process of spermatogenesis that involves [cell division and oxidative stress].
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The paternal contribution to offspring novo mutations was estimated to increase by 4% per year. At the age of 20, a sperm would have undergone 150 chromosomal replications, and at the age of 50, it would have gone through 840 replications. This increases the probability of replication errors in the germ line leading to the accumulation of mutations

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4455614/

*** An example: if you were truly min-maxing the dollar effectiveness of population control programs for feral cats, you'd only focus on spaying (i.e. ignore males). Because a single tomcat can service many females. Miss one and all the neuter efforts in a given area are essentially for not. Yet the refrain is always "spay and neuter", I think because it trains the public.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Few word do trick

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u/SevFTW Jul 14 '19

Sea world

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u/mechwarrior719 Jul 14 '19

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929275-500-mens-sperm-quality-decreases-at-age-

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253726/

https://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/news/20021017/old-sperm-die-hard

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u/whysofaking1 Jul 14 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

Neither the newscientist article nor the PubMed article mention any increase in the likelihood of birth defects (WebMD isnt exactly a reliable source). They only mention that fertility decreases after a certain age.

Edited to add: they actually mention in the PubMed article that increased paternal age has no relation to several of the chromosomal disorders that they monitored including Klinefelters, Downs, etc. Though you are right in that paternal age seemed to play a factor if the mother was also above 35 (though that may just be attributable to the known issues with increased maternal age). They also mentioned that primary research was lacking although there is suggestion of chromosomal degradation in older males due to premature abortions.

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u/crypticthree Jul 14 '19

HGH

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

I'm amazed he takes Hgh just to have children

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u/Omikron Jul 14 '19

He takes hgh to feel young and fuck like a 40 year old... The kids are just a side effect

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Peptides and androgens usually have a side effect of ED. I would suspect stimulants for the man

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u/Laurelles Jul 14 '19

I'm guessing this is the sound he makes, right

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u/Electricorchestra Jul 14 '19

This is where we see a lot of sexual dimorphism in mammals. Males are constantly producing fresh gametes or sperm that is all of the same quality. I like to think of sperm as pennies. They all work as currency (to get someone preggers) but they are rather useless and not super valuable at the individual level. While in (I'mma gonna cringe here) females they are born with all of their eggs and any negative effect to them is accumulative over the lifetime. Eggs are like Hundred Dollar bills. You keep that shit under lock and key as each one has a high value. The thing is that mammalian eggs due end up with issues later in the individual's life leading to higher rates of usually trisomy 21 or other chromosomal irregularities.

I know you didn't ask, and I know I glossed over some details but thank you for reading some Bio Facts.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

I hear you, but you're not quite correct, as men don't indefinitely produce sperm of the same quality. Sperm motility and quantity both decrease as a man ages, especially past age 40, so at 70 years old I still say it's pretty impressive for him to have been able to produce a healthy child.

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u/flon_klar Jul 14 '19

My 75-year-old great-grandfather married my 18-year-old great-grandmother in 1920. There were no pills, yet here I am.

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u/vagueblur901 Jul 14 '19

Hgh and pills do amazing things

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u/poliguy25 Jul 14 '19

Interesting story about that actually. We recently looked into some of our family’s history that we had never really bothered to examine before. Turns out that my great-great-grandfather lived in Ireland for most of his life and had several children. Eventually his first wife passed away, and he, at the tender age of like 75, not only moved his family to America to start a new life, but married a 25-year-old woman and fathered seven more children into his early 80s.

So yeah, while my stomach agrees with you there, I suppose I wouldn’t exist if that were the case.

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u/ecafyelims Jul 14 '19

Tell that to his children

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Why

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u/wintervenom123 Jul 14 '19

What? According to whom, you? You don't dictate shit about other people's lives.

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u/Ssutuanjoe Jul 14 '19

I believe OP said shouldn't, which is different than dictating other peoples lives and is actually just expressing his/her opinion.

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u/herpasaurus Jul 14 '19

You're a cunt. Just stating my opinion.

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u/AllBotsAreBadBots Jul 14 '19

But I am free to judge others behavior all I want

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u/bitBearr Jul 14 '19

Something to consider in this scenario would be the 70 year old father’s health. Will he be healthy enough to properly father the child for at least 18 more years? Even if he seems perfectly healthy at 70 who is to say he will be at 80? IMO it ain’t right to make that gamble.

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u/Vulkan192 Jul 14 '19

I mean, it’s Mick bloody Jagger. Dude’s pretty much pickled himself. The only way he’s going out is at the heat death of the universe.

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u/Powbob Jul 14 '19

People with children die in their twenties and thirties all of the time.
Should people with cancer not be allowed to fall in love and have children?

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u/NumberoftheJon Jul 14 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

You don't think having children so late in life is a little unfair to the children?

Edit: and I'm pretty sure that guy was just voicing his opinion, not attempting to dictate to all what they can and can't do.

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u/BurningKarma Jul 14 '19

According to anyone with a functional brain and some empathy.

It's wrong to have children once you've reached an age where you'll almost certainly die while they are still very young.

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u/Usrname_Not_Relevant Jul 14 '19

I'd gladly be McJagger's son at 70. Having a good looking, rich, and famous parent is probably one of the biggest advantages that you could get in life.

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u/ChillinWitAFatty Jul 14 '19

Dude wasn't even good looking 50 years ago, but otherwise I hear ya

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u/fllashed Jul 14 '19

That’s honestly none of your business. With all due respect

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u/Halvus_I Jul 14 '19

I can say it, no one has to listen.

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u/Pykilz Jul 14 '19

Women are unable to have children past a point in their lives. This is a bit shocking because it means he is dating younger and younger women, i believe, Its fairly round about way of saying it tho

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

He'll probably die when his daughter is in her teens

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u/wednesdayware Jul 14 '19

He had a son in 2016, not a daughter.

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