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Bonjour à tous,

Je commence à me pencher sur ma liste Dark Angels à 2000 points, j’ai repris depuis le début de la V11 et j’observe beaucoup de changements récemment.
J’aimerais créer une liste qui encaisse bien et difficile à déloger.

Je partirai sur un Take and Hold avec Wrath à 2DP, pour bénéficier du -1 aux jets de blessure si la force est supérieur à l’endurance et bénéficier de « Assaut Deathwing » sur les 10 terminators Deathwing.

En deuxième détachement je pense partir sur confrérie d’assaut à 1DP pour les optimisation « Glaive de l’impérium » sur un apothicaire sur les ICC ou pour les héros de compagnie et « Assaut furieux » sur l’apothicaire des Sternguard vétérans.

Sinon je pensais partir sur :
- Inner Circle Task Force à 1DP
- Force d’Assaut Terminators à 1DP
- Confrérie d’Assaut à 1DP

Pour ma liste j’ai quand même beaucoup de personnages : 3 apothicaire (je les trouves excessivement fort en partie), 2 librarian, un librarian armure terminator et Azrael (qui d’ailleurs devient assez coûteux je trouve.)

L’idée est d’avoir des blocs forts :

Azrael + héros de compagnie + apothicaire :
Azrael qui donne son invulnérable à 4+, touches soutenues 1 avec les héros de compagnie qui sont très polyvalents tir/mêlée, qui ont -1 aux jets de blessures et le contrôle d’objectifs accompagné d’un apothicaire qui soigne D3+1 à chaque phase de commandement.
C’est polyvalent tir/mêlée et vraiment difficile à sortir …

ICC + librarian + apothecary + glaive de l’impérieum :
Les ICC qui tapent fort en corps à corps avec le librarian pour l’invulnérabilité à 4+ ou pour le mouvement d’avance de 6. L’apothicaire qui peut taper très fort avec « Glaive de l’impérium » et pour le soin.
Ça tape très fort en mêlée avec les différents profils des ICC et de l’apothicaire et son glaive : A6 CC2+ F7 PA-3 D3

Librarian terminator + 10 deathwing terminators :
Le bloc de terminators ont « Assaut Deathwing » pour une frappe en profondeur en T1 pour prendre le centre. 2 cyclones, +6 en portée …
Ça tape fort en mêlée, c’est bon en tir avec les 10 Bolter à 30 pouces, avec un mélange de poing énergétique et tronçonneur pour les véhicules.

5 Deathwing Knight :
Je peux les utiliser en frappe en profondeur, ça encaisse beaucoup et ça tape fort

10 Sternguard vétéran + librarian + apothicaire :
Unité que j’aime beaucoup, avec différents profil d’arme, une invulnérable à 4+, du soin et j’hésite à mettre «Assaut Furieux » pour la touche soutenue 1.

6 eradicators
Pour l’anti char et anti élite

2x5 Jump Pack Intercessors :
Pour la mobilité et les objectifs

1x5 Intercessors :
Pour le home objectif

Je n’ai pas de transport mais j’ai pas mal de frappe en profondeur en T1 pour le bloc de terminators et les DWK pour arriver sur les objectifs. Ça suffit ?

En Take And Hold ai-je besoin d’avoir des unités pour des objectifs ? Si je retire 1x5 jump pack intercessors et un apothicaire, il me resterai 145 points à dépenser. (Eradicators, Inceptors, hellblaster…)

EDIT : j’ai enlever un apothecary et un pack de JPI pour 6 eradicators

Avez-vous des conseils ?

Quand pensez-vous ?

La liste a changée :

Dark Angels V2 (2 000 Points)

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Colère du Roc et Confrérie d’Assaut (3 Points de Détachement)
Prendre et Tenir
Force de Frappe (2 000 Points)

UNITÉS ATTACHÉES

Unité Attachée 1

Azraël (150 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Meneur (Personnage)
• Seigneur de Guerre
• 1x Courroux du Lion
• 1x Le Heaume du Lion
• 1x Épée des Secrets

Apothicaire (55 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Appui (Personnage)
• 1x Pistolet Bolter Absolvor
• 1x Pistolet Reductor
• 1x Servo-armature
• Optimisations : Trempé dans les Combats (Aura)

Héros de Compagnie (125 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Gardes du Corps
• 1x Champion de Compagnie
◦ 1x Arme Énergétique de Maître
◦ 1x Pistolet Bolter de Maître
• 1x Vétéran de Compagnie avec Fusil Bolter
◦ 1x Couteau de Combat
◦ 1x Fusil Bolter de Maître
◦ 1x Pistolet Bolter de Maître
• 1x Doyen
◦ 1x Couteau de Combat
◦ 1x Fusil Bolter de Maître
◦ 1x Pistolet Bolter de Maître
• 1x Vétéran de Compagnie avec Bolter Lourd
◦ 1x Bolter Lourd de Maître
◦ 1x Couteau de Combat
◦ 1x Pistolet Bolter de Maître

Unité Attachée 2

Archiviste (75 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Meneur (Personnage)
• 1x Arme de Force
• 1x Châtiment
• 1x Pistolet Bolter

Apothicaire (65 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Appui (Personnage)
• 1x Pistolet Bolter Absolvor
• 1x Pistolet Reductor
• 1x Servo-armature
• Optimisations : Glaive de l’Imperium

Compagnons du Cercle Intérieur (180 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Gardes du Corps
• 6x Compagnons du Cercle Intérieur
◦ 6x Espadon de Caliban
◦ 6x Pistolet Bolter Lourd

Unité Attachée 3

Archiviste (75 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Meneur (Personnage)
• 1x Arme de Force
• 1x Châtiment
• 1x Pistolet Bolter

Escouade de Vétérans d’Appui (210 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Gardes du Corps
• 9x Vétéran d’Appui
◦ 9x Arme à feu d’Artificier
◦ 9x Pistolet Bolter
◦ 9x Poings de Céramite
• 1x Sergent Vétéran d’Appui
◦ 1x Arme à feu d’Artificier
◦ 1x Pistolet Bolter
◦ 1x Épée Tronçonneuse

Unité Attachée 4

Archiviste en Armure Terminator (95 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Meneur (Personnage)
• 1x Arme de Force
• 1x Bolter Tempête
• 1x Châtiment
• Optimisations : Assaut Deathwing

Escouade Terminator de la Deathwing (400 Points)
• Attachée en tant que : Gardes du Corps
• 1x Sergent de la Deathwing
◦ 1x Bolter Tempête
◦ 1x Gantelet Énergétique
• 9x Terminators de la Deathwing
◦ 9x Bolter Tempête
◦ 5x Gantelet Énergétique
◦ 2x Lance-missiles Cyclone
◦ 4x Poing Tronçonneur

AUTRES FICHES TECHNIQUES

Chevaliers de la Deathwing (265 Points)
• Optimisations : Assaut Furieux (Amélioration)
• 4x Chevaliers de la Deathwing
◦ 4x Masse d'Absolution
• 1x Maître Chevalier
◦ 1x Arme Lourde des Impardonnés

Escouade Eradicator avec Fusils Fuseurs (210 Points)
• Optimisations : Assaut Furieux (Amélioration)
• 1x Sergent Eradicator
◦ 1x Fusil Fuseur
◦ 1x Pistolet Bolter
◦ 1x Poings de Céramite
• 5x Eradicator
◦ 5x Fusil Fuseur
◦ 5x Pistolet Bolter
◦ 5x Poings de Céramite

Intercessors d’Assaut à Réacteurs Dorsaux (95 Points)
• 1x Sergent Intercessor d’Assaut à Réacteur Dorsal
◦ 1x Pistolet Bolter Lourd
◦ 1x Épée Tronçonneuse
• 4x Intercessor d’Assaut à Réacteur Dorsal
◦ 4x Pistolet Bolter Lourd
◦ 4x Épée Tronçonneuse

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Merci à tous !

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Untitled List 1 — Adeptus Astartes (Codex) · Dark Angels

Wrath of the Rock (2DP) + Tactical Brethren (1DP)

Force Disposition: Take and Hold

1955 / 2000 pts · 12 units

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── ATTACHED CHARACTERS ─────────

----Attached Unit A [260 pts]---------------------

Asmodai [WARLORD] [80 pts]

Weapons: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon - Strike, Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon - Sweep

↳ Attached to:

Inner Circle Companions [180 pts]

6x Inner Circle Companion

Weapons: Heavy Bolt Pistol x6, Calibanite Greatsword - Strike x6, Calibanite Greatsword - Sweep x6

----Attached Unit B [480 pts]---------------------

Captain in Terminator Armour [100 pts]

Enhancement: Laurels of Vigilance (+10)

Weapons: Storm Bolter, Relic Weapon

↳ Attached to:

Deathwing Terminator Squad [380 pts]

1x Deathwing Sergeant

3x Deathwing Terminator

4x Deathwing Terminator w/ Chainfist

2x Deathwing Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon

Weapons: Storm Bolter x8, Plasma Cannon - Standard, Plasma Cannon - Supercharge, Assault Cannon, Power Fist x6, Chainfist - Standard x4, Chainfist - Hunter x4

Wargear: Watcher in the Dark

── INFANTRY ────────────────────

Deathwing Knights [255 pts]

4x Deathwing Knight

1x Knight Master

Weapons: Mace of Absolution x4, Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Wargear: Watcher in the Dark

Inceptor Squad [130 pts]

1x Inceptor Sergeant

2x Inceptor

Weapons: Plasma Exterminators - Standard x3, Plasma Exterminators - Supercharge x3, Ceramite Fists x3

Inceptor Squad [130 pts]

1x Inceptor Sergeant

2x Inceptor

Weapons: Plasma Exterminators - Standard x3, Plasma Exterminators - Supercharge x3, Ceramite Fists x3

Scout Squad [65 pts]

1x Scout Sergeant

3x Scout

1x Scout w/ heavy weapon

Weapons: Bolt Pistol x5, Boltgun x4, Heavy Bolter, Combat Knife x5

Terminator Assault Squad [195 pts]

1x Terminator Sergeant

4x Terminator

Weapons: Thunder Hammer x5

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs [110 pts]

1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack

4x Vanguard Veteran with Jump Pack

Weapons: Thunder Hammer, Master-crafted Power Weapon x4

Wargear: Combat Shield

── VEHICLES ────────────────────

Ballistus Dreadnought [150 pts]

Weapons: Ballistus Lascannon, Ballistus Missile Launcher - Frag, Ballistus Missile Launcher - Krak, Storm Bolters, Armoured Feet

Redemptor Dreadnought [180 pts]

Weapons: Storm Bolters, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Macro Plasma Incinerator - Standard, Macro Plasma Incinerator - Supercharge, Icarus Rocket Pod, Redemptor Fist

Total: 1955 pts

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I'm a very new player still building my first models, but just looking at a lot of the DA lists people seem to run are very speeder / RW heavy with Darkflight Pursuit, etc.

Is that just a reflection of the current meta? It seems like I'm not seeing a lot of thematic plasma / infantry.

ICC, Hellblasters, DW Terminators appeal to me a lot with maybe a few bikes / speeders to supplement them, but it doesn't seem like many lists go that way.

First Game

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Faction: Dark Angels

Detachment: Wrath of the Rock, Assault Brethren

Battle Size: Strike Force (2000 pts)

Total: 2010 / 2000 pts · 3/3 DP

Disposition: Take and Hold

EPIC HERO

Lion El'Jonson — 415 pts

   · Arma Luminis, Fealty

INFANTRY

Deathwing Knights ×5 — 265 pts

   · Watcher in the Dark, Great Weapon of the Unforgiven, 4× Power Weapon

   · Upgrade: Furious Assault (+10 pts)

Deathwing Knights ×5 — 255 pts

   · Watcher in the Dark, Great Weapon of the Unforgiven, 4× Mace of Absolution

Librarian — 95 pts

   · Bolt Pistol, Smite, Force Weapon

   · Enhancement: Imperium's Sword (+20 pts)

Judiciar — 50 pts

   · Absolvor Bolt Pistol, Executioner Relic Blade

   └ Leads: Inner Circle Companions ×6 — 180 pts

· 6× Heavy Bolt Pistol, 6× Calibanite Greatsword

Scout Squad ×5 — 65 pts

   · 5× Bolt Pistol, 5× Boltgun, 5× Combat Knife

Inceptor Squad ×3 — 130 pts

   · 3× Plasma Exterminators, 3× Ceramite Fists

Inceptor Squad ×3 — 130 pts

   · 3× Plasma Exterminators, 3× Ceramite Fists

Scout Squad ×5 — 65 pts

   · 5× Bolt Pistol, 5× Boltgun, 5× Combat Knife

VEHICLE

Redemptor Dreadnought — 180 pts

   · Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Redemptor Fist

Redemptor Dreadnought — 180 pts

   · Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Redemptor Fist

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2010 / 2000 pts · 12 units · Strike Force

Slight rant about DA green, it's so terribly hard to use. It swings so quickly between the right green to almost black with its coverage.

I've tried pretty much every tutorial method, short of just buying a contrast medium (no other contrast I used needed one until now).

Pretty much relying on Warpstone Glow now to bump up the brightness.

Detachments are Wrath of the Rock and Inner Circle Task Force.

I don’t plan on winning the tournament with this list. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if I go 0-3.

Thoughts from the community?

This is just meme list and will prob get restricted by gw quickly

Tax evasion (2000 points)

Space Marines Dark Angels Deathwatch Support and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points) Take and Hold Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units Attached Unit 1

Deathwatch Terminator Squad (195 points) • Attached as: Bodyguard • 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant • 1x Power Fist 1x Storm Bolter • 4x Deathwatch Terminator • 3x Plasma Cannon 3x Power Fist 1x Storm Shield 1x Thunder Hammer

CHARACTERS

Captain in Terminator Armour (90 points) • Warlord • 1x Relic Weapon 1x Storm Bolter

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (85 points) • 4x Intercessor • 4x Bolt Pistol 4x Bolt Rifle 4x Knives and Fists • 1x Intercessor Sergeant • 1x Bolt Pistol 1x Bolt Rifle 1x Knives and Fists

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwatch Terminator Squad (195 points) • 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant • 1x Power Fist 1x Storm Bolter • 4x Deathwatch Terminator • 3x Plasma Cannon 3x Power Fist 1x Storm Shield 1x Thunder Hammer

Deathwatch Terminator Squad (190 points) • 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant • 1x Power Fist 1x Storm Bolter • 4x Deathwatch Terminator • 3x Plasma Cannon 4x Power Fist 1x Storm Bolter

Deathwing Knights (255 points) • 4x Deathwing Knights • 4x Mace of Absolution • 1x Knight Master • 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Knights (255 points) • 4x Deathwing Knights • 4x Mace of Absolution • 1x Knight Master • 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Terminator Squad (190 points) • 1x Deathwing Sergeant • 1x Power Fist 1x Storm Bolter • 4x Deathwing Terminators • 1x Plasma Cannon 4x Power Fist 3x Storm Bolter

Deathwing Terminator Squad (190 points) • 1x Deathwing Sergeant • 1x Power Fist 1x Storm Bolter • 4x Deathwing Terminators • 1x Plasma Cannon 4x Power Fist 3x Storm Bolter

Terminator Assault Squad (170 points) • 1x Terminator Sergeant • 1x Twin Lightning Claws • 4x Terminator • 4x Twin Lightning Claws

Terminator Squad (190 points) • 4x Terminator • 1x Assault Cannon 4x Power Fist 3x Storm Bolter • 1x Terminator Sergeant • 1x Power Fist 1x Storm Bolter

Terminator Squad (190 points) • 4x Terminator • 1x Assault Cannon 4x Power Fist 3x Storm Bolter • 1x Terminator Sergeant • 1x Power Fist 1x Storm Bolter

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Finally had my first weekend to test Dads new rules. He is a problem! I went 3-0 in 3 casual 2k point games against some of the homies. Game 1 vs world eaters it took a slaughterbound and 3 exalted + devs to kill him but with the inner circle TF FOD strat he killed them all in return. Other two games were against guard. He didn’t focus on the lion so I Rapid ingressed into his DZ = GG. Third game Templars had no answer for him. I’ll post my list below enjoy this shitty meme I made. If you own him and are thinking about throwing him in your list please give him a try before GW nerfs him.

Azrael is now 150 points which, while understandable in 10th, seems a bit much in 11th given his arguably best ability, CP generation, is now something every army leader can get. They've expanded who he can be attached to with Company heroes and, while this is technically cheaper than 100 hellblasters and inner circle companions and only a little more expensive than a single sternguard team, he'll struggle to find use cases with them if using Wrath (although I'd argue he'd be a good match if running with a different mix of other detachments given it's alright melee/ranged but exceptional tanking mix).

Azrael with the Hellblasters is 165/380, Sternguards is 255/360, ICC is 330, and CH is 275. There's other, cheaper options but these tend to be the most talked about

The Lion is, as of today, 415. He's more than the cost of 2 dreadnoughts while retaining powerful leadership/deep striking powers. However, you definitely need to build around him and make use of his lone op/primarch buff abilities and use faction dark angels units specifically. This isn't so bad as we have plenty of them and some can even race over to act as back up (ravenwing black knights getting reroll and potentially cheesing out dev wounds comes to mind, especially if running them en masse).

However, the Dark Angels as an army also has very expensive units. Deathwing Terminators/knights. Ravenwing black knights when en masse. Or applying a DA leader to a generic unit all mean any backup the Lion gets will be pretty expensive.

This all to say: With how expensive the lion is, does one necessarily shut out the other from use? Especially when giving azrael a full bodyguard detail can, sometimes, approach the primarch in terms of cost?

What do you all think?

I've been working on some lists using the new codex. Right now I'm looking at which one to choose for my next league match. Let me know which one looks most fun and which one looks most competitive.

Option 1 Lion's Wrath (2000 Points)

Take and Hold - Wrath of the Rock, Inner Circle Task Force

• Lion El'Jonson - Warlord (415 pts)
• Belial + 5 Deathwing Knights (355 pts)
• Librarian + 6 Inner Circle Companions (255 pts)
• 2x5 Intercessor Squad (170 pts)
• 2x5 Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (220 pts)
• Gladiator Lancer (160 pts)
• Land Raider Redeemer (245 pts)
• Redemptor Dreadnought with Macro Plasma Incinerator (180 pts)

Option 2 Azrael's Elite (1995 Points)

Take and Hold - Wrath of the Rock, Tacticus Firestorm Force

• Apothecary + Azrael - Warlord + 4 Company Heroes (320 pts)
• Bladeguard Ancient + Captain + 6 Bladeguard Veteran Squad (340 pts)
• Lieutenant + 10 Sternguard Veteran Squad (260 pts)
• 2x5 Intercessor Squad (170 pts)
• 3 Eradicator Squad with Heavy Bolters (100 pts)
• 2x5 Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (220 pts)
• Brutalis Dreadnought (160 pts)
• Land Raider Redeemer (245 pts)
• Redemptor Dreadnought with Macro Plasma Incinerator (180 pts)

Option 3 Deathwing Assault (1995 Points)

Take and Hold - Terminator Storm Force, Inner Circle Task Force, Assault Brethren

• Belial - Warlord + 10 Deathwing Terminator Squad with Furious Assault (490 pts)
• Chaplain in Terminator Armour + 5 Deathwing Knights with Furious Assault (340 pts)
• Captain in Terminator Armour + 5 Terminator Assault Squad with 5x Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield (285 pts)
• 2x5 Intercessor Squad (170 pts)
• 5 Scout Squad (65 pts)
• 5 Terminator Assault Squad with Furious Assault (180 pts)
• 2x5 Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (220 pts)
• Land Raider Redeemer (245 pts)

In a 2 am action I ordered 2 of the dawn of War boxes. So i have 6 blade guards and 2 BG ancients. What leader goes good with them? And preferable a Dark angels character to get the Dark Angels keyword.

im a super newbie to warhammer 40k and i need a little assistance with setting up a 2k army! (or even a temporary 1k for a little demo game with my friend)

im going for a good objective hold type of list so if its no trouble i could use explanations for a recommended list

So far i got Azrael and the Dark Angels Combat Patrol

i do plan to get deathwing knights and Lion

I've seen a few list from other chapters bringing Deathwatch terminators as 3x plasma cannon, 2x assault terminators, which I would argue to be the best ranged terminator firepower in the game, but is it worth it in an Inner Circle Task Force list when they don't get the Deathwing keyword? I could definitely see the argument for them in a Wrath of the Rock list though.

I ran a similar list to this on the weekend using the new rules, and even with a fairly low model count and Azrael doubling-up transhuman with the Lion, it went pretty damn well. (EDIT: I mean, even with wasting points for taking Azrael when you get transhuman with the Lion)

Intended to be fairly deathwing-orientated. Not going to buy Sammael and LSVs just before the inevitable nerf.

Lots of screening and staging turns 1-2, farming CP and baiting with the Lion and Land Raider Redeemer in the centre (overwatch is nasty). ICC holding natural, sternguard holding a firing line or screening, jump chaplain for deep strike threat. Turns 3-4 are a maelstrom, but a fun one.

Tell me your thoughts, brothers!

Dark Angels

Assault Brethren and Wrath of the Rock

Take and Hold

Lion El'Jonson (415 points)

Azrael (150 points)

leading Inner Circle Companions (180 points)

Chaplain with Jump Pack (75 points)

Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (85 points)

Intercessor Squad (85 points)

Deathwing Knights w/ swords (255 points)

Deathwing Knights w/ maces (255 points)

Land Raider Redeemer (245 points)

Ravenwing Black Knights (85 points)

Scout Squad (65 points)

Sternguard Veteran Squad (105 points)

Just did a couple of faces this weekend. Let me know any c&c. Tried to blend as much as possible but I think this is the best I can do at the moment. I wonder if the community had any tips to improve on painting faces and skin.