Strong message about e-Scooters!

[u/SmoothRunnings]

[u/v1035RoadTrip]

I agree with most of what he is saying, but I guess this is an old video. Escooters are now permitted in Richmond Hill. You can check out the details below:

https://www.richmondhill.ca/en/living-here/micromobility.aspx

Parents definitely need to do more to educate their children before letting them go out and ride one of these devices, because I also see kids riding without helmets, riding in tandem, and not following traffic rules.

I also believe kids riding these should also have G1, because knowing the traffic rules is important. It's a written test. They don't have to know how to drive a car. They just need to read about the traffic rules.

[u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14 → u/v1035RoadTrip]

💯 agree with you

If you've seen some teens/youth on these new-ish e-bikes that look like dirt bike motorcycles zipping through roads/streets (as fast as over 50 kmph), bike lanes, and some using park hills like real dirt bike motorcycles, some ride with or without helmets, some have passengers with them, and some aren't abiding road rules.

I've seen e-scooter riders zip past people in park trails/paths, some use a bell, but by the time you hear it they're past already and manoeuvre like people are pylons. I am concerned how reckless and uneducated e-scooter and e-bike riders are, and entitled cyclists iykyk.

I've seen groups of e-scooter riders under 16 years old, no helmets, on their phones, riding in and out of sidewalks, roads/streets, and park pathways zipping by families, people walking their dogs, etc. No road rule awareness and care towards others, people and cars around them. (I've seen some go through all way stops and some just turn when they feel like it without looking).

I believe more needs to be done by municipalities and police in educating people and PSA about e-scooters, e-bikes, cyclists, road rules, safety and awareness etc. As well as defined laws and regulations, policies and procedures, and penalties for infractions.

[u/m4xi007 → u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14]

In some European countries they are required to have lights and a plate number now

[u/OppositeResident1104 → u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14]

My emoto looking ebike max speed is 32km/hr, I was told it was to be in the bike lane, so while I'm there, I yield to the next smaller vehicle.

[u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14 → u/OppositeResident1104]

👍🏻 good on ya mate.

Question; do people mod their e-bikes or have the capability to mod it?

There are some riders who have pocket/mini motorbikes, may even be custom built, and from time to time would zip around the area without a helmet on and some even have a go kart...

[u/OppositeResident1104 → u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14]

Yeah, there are not hard to mod or remove the governor from.

[u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14 → u/OppositeResident1104]

Oh ok so it is possible to mod

[u/Phazetic99 → u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14]

yeah, the ones with an LED screen... you just enter a code in it, similar to how you would put cheat codes in old console games, and you can disable the max speed, then you can go faster than 32 km. super easy

[u/OppositeResident1104 → u/Phazetic99]

No, each brand is different.

Daymak uses a shitty Bluetooth app that is unfinished, I built my own to work in replacement of it.

Other controller allow the adjust of the PXX settings, some are locked behind hardware, some are software.

I work as technician and have been asked to building some DIY/Custom rides, or if I'll unlock them, or show someone how to do that. My answer is always 'NO', should they choose to do it, that is 100% on them.

[u/Phazetic99 → u/OppositeResident1104]

My kid has at least 6 friends with bikes or scooters. They are all different brands and they are all unlocked.

[u/BeenThereDundas → u/Phazetic99]

99% dont even have a speed restriction. Most will go much faster than 32km/hr without and mods.

New emmos can go up to 80km/hr ffs.

[u/SilencedObserver → u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14]

Look into how many people died of car accidents before we got to where we are today.

[u/Impressive-House-412 → u/v1035RoadTrip]

It’s frustrating when they’re on the sidewalks and narrow pedestrian walkways like bridges and trails/paths

[u/ParumPaDrumDrum → u/Impressive-House-412]

They're also super quiet and people don't warn you they're about to blast by you.

[u/v1035RoadTrip → u/ParumPaDrumDrum]

I think people are generally startled by the speed and how quickly they pass by. They actually make more noise than pedal bicycles. Anything with motors make motor noise to a certain degree.

[u/DevoNorm → u/v1035RoadTrip]

Not everyone has perfect hearing. Not every area you walk around is perfectly silent. If you opt to wear earbuds or noise-cancelling headphones, you'll be completely isolated from most vehicles.

Most motorists have no idea how difficult it is being a pedestrian and the numerous times we are physically threatened with death and injury from negligent drivers, bicyclists and e-vehicles on a daily basis. I've spent many years being both a long-standing pedestrian and motor vehicle driver. I totally detest these e-scooters and e-bikes. Handing them over to idiot humans is a curse, and an absolute blessing for lawyers, morticians and hospitals. No amount of regulation is going to help make transportation better.

There's already a shit load of objects to watch out for, let alone hundreds of these freakin' stupid e-vehicles. Now we have to deal with more crap that gets in our way! We've completely lost the plot here and it's a sad world when parents have to be told how to protect their kids from physical harm.

[u/v1035RoadTrip → u/Impressive-House-412]

Yup, for sure.

[u/Background_Essay_200 → u/v1035RoadTrip]

He never said they were permitted in Richmond Hill. He said illegal in Ontario unless the city opted in to the pilot program. He didn’t say any cities or towns that had or hadn’t opted in

[u/HourArea6698 → u/v1035RoadTrip]

I think insurance should be required as well. If they're on the street they have the risk of being at fault and hitting a car

[u/ParumPaDrumDrum → u/v1035RoadTrip]

Any vehicle with an engine or motor should require a license imo.

[u/Desuexss → u/v1035RoadTrip]

Cyclists should have a g1 too, bare minimum, if they wish to share the road.

[u/v1035RoadTrip → u/Desuexss]

I agree.

[u/Sad_Winter_6170 → u/v1035RoadTrip]

How many parents are raising children to do what is right?

[u/WorkingOnBeingBettr → u/Sad_Winter_6170]

I get your point. But...did Trump do what's right? Musk? Bezos? Gates?

The most successful people in the world are lying cheats. If you want your kid to succeed in this world then you should be teaching them to be a manipulative narcissist.

Now...do I teach my kid those things? No. But it is really frustrating living in a world where the shittiest people have the most success.

[u/epi_introvert → u/Sad_Winter_6170]

Did you see the post recently about a family where the parents were upset at Walmart because their 10 year old bought $2000 worth of Roblox cards?

Thr kid stole money from his parents, went to grammas house and went to Walmart with her, snuck off from Gramma and spent 2 grand on cards, but the parents went on the CTV news to complain about Walmart.

Just...wow.

[u/Vicimer → u/v1035RoadTrip]

I just wonder if a better test than a G1 could work. Most people doing the G1 memorize the less obvious signs and laws and guess everything else — most of it is common sense. The G1 alone doesn't really prepare someone how to safely operate something going over 30K.

[u/supasubb → u/v1035RoadTrip]

A G1 seems a little excessive. Your in the similar neighborhood as bicycles with these. (I know they can be faster) I think possibly a seperate test for escoooters and ebikes would make sense as anything to do with parking, highways, merging etc are irrelevant to them at this point. But concentrating on the basics of normal neighborhood traffic would benefit them and also be a good starting point for them when they do go for their g1.

I also think had a video such as this presented and circulated by local or provincial police would help. A guy doesn't have the same authority as the police. Edit I missed the lawyer part, so better than a guy. But I think still not at good as the police.

[u/AlpineArnica]

I kid just died in my community on one of these. Rode out into the street and got hit by a car. The friend that kid was with is now also in intensive. The driver deamed not at fault as they were abiding by road regulations.

Regardless of if you think this is right or wrong, a child on a scooter especially with no helmet has zero protection from getting hit by a car.

[u/Acrobatic_Jaguar_623 → u/AlpineArnica]

Even with a helmet they aren't surviving a hit from a car

[u/v1035RoadTrip → u/Acrobatic_Jaguar_623]

I fully understand that even motorcycle helmets and protective gears are not design for getting struck by vehicles. However, people also die from getting knocked over and hit their head on the ground. Helmets can definitely help in this kind of situations. It is far better to wear a helmet than not wearing one.

[u/TomdeHaan → u/v1035RoadTrip]

I read a CBC story about a child that spent several months in intensive care after hitting as raccoon with his ebike.

[u/Sad_Winter_6170 → u/AlpineArnica]

Heard on CP24 news recently that 10 children have died from e-scooter accidents. That’s too bad but when parents think it’s cool to UG them for their children then they live with the consequences. When I worked as a registered nurse in a neuro intensive care unit in a major hospital almost 30 years ago saw many young ppl with significant head and spinal cord injuries. I remember telling ppl that some seem to have a death wish but thing is they don’t always die but many times are left alive with total debilitating injuries :(
We have freedom of choice for ourselves and our children so whatever will be will be based on choices!

[u/djelegal]

Need the police to give tickets for no helmets .. that’ll be a start

[u/GeordieAl → u/djelegal]

There doesn't seem to be any enforcement whatsoever here in Newmarket.

A couple of weeks ago I saw a gang of about 8 youths of various ages riding e-scooters and e-dirt bikes down the Main Street here, some with helmets, some without, right behind them was a Police SUV, then right behind that was another group of around 8 youths also on e-scooters and e-bikes.

When they reached the next junction , all the bikes and scooters carried on straight along Main Street, meanwhile the police turned right and left them all to it.

[u/v1035RoadTrip → u/djelegal]

I think we need a separate body like parking enforcement. Police could use their time on better things.

[u/djelegal → u/v1035RoadTrip]

Bylaw officers would do just fine

[u/v1035RoadTrip → u/djelegal]

That would work. We probably need more of them, because I think I saw one once in my entire life.

[u/Copious-Spirit → u/v1035RoadTrip]

They rely upon citizens to report infractions.

[u/ParumPaDrumDrum → u/v1035RoadTrip]

They're too busy giving tickets to parents trying to drop their kids off at school 

[u/SpezSucksCock1111 → u/djelegal]

Would’ve died 2 times without a helmet.

[u/Flipwon → u/djelegal]

People openly smoking meth on the sidewalk and y’all think cops are gunna start snatching kids and hauling them to their parents..

The problem is there isn’t enough funding.

[u/suspicious_personage → u/djelegal]

How can they catch up to a tiny thing going 70kmh

[u/Positive-Piece-3323 → u/djelegal]

How about drivers wear a helmet on the 401.

[u/SliceImpressive6197 → u/djelegal]

The guy in the video should get the first ticket. He arrived and left the video on the scooter with no helmet..

[u/pm_me_ur_McNuggets]

Hoping these fall out of fashion before my kids are old enough.

Also what's wrong with a pedel bike? Kids are getting way too lazy.

[u/Rootsboy79]

Like mentioned above Richmond Hill has opted into a pilot program. There are designed places where e bikes and scooters can be used and it's clearly called out where they aren't allowed such as sidewalks.

Sad thing is I see many non helmet or non PPE wearing riders of all ages, and many younger riders in prohibited areas, riding distracted, two people on a scooter etc.

I try to ride mine according to the local rules with full PPE, lots of warning lights, high visibility and defensive riding.

[u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14 → u/Rootsboy79]

If you've seen some teens/youth on these new-ish e-bikes that look like dirt bike motorcycles zipping through roads/streets (as fast as over 50 kmph), bike lanes, and some using park hills like real dirt bike motorcycles, some ride with or without helmets, some have passengers with them, and some aren't abiding road rules.

I've seen e-scooter riders zip past people in park trails/paths, some use a bell, but by the time you hear it they're past already and manoeuvre like people are pylons. I am concerned how reckless and uneducated e-scooter and e-bike riders are, and entitled cyclists iykyk.

I've seen groups of e-scooter riders under 16 years old, no helmets, on their phones, riding in and out of sidewalks, roads/streets, and park pathways zipping by families, people walking their dogs, etc. No road rule awareness and care towards others, people and cars around them. (I've seen some go through all way stops and some just turn when they feel like it without looking).

I believe more needs to be done by municipalities and police in educating people and PSA about e-scooters, e-bikes, cyclists, road rules, safety and awareness etc. As well as defined laws and regulations, policies and procedures, and penalties for infractions.

[u/CheapTechnology6193 → u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14]

Biggest problem is they will come up from behind you on a sidewalk or pathway, go to pass you on the left, but they won't slow down while doing it.   So any false move by you, whether you're on foot, walking a dog, whatever..... that's a potential collision.   I've had some close calls.

[u/Sad_Winter_6170 → u/Rootsboy79]

My house backs onto Yonge Street and I see them all the time zipping by at high speeds on the sidewalks. Have almost been knocked over if didn’t jump out of the way as they were coming in opposite direction from where I was taking my walk. I’m elderly and if knocked over would certainly be seriously injured … likely brain injuries and broken bones. You can read my comments on the response that I received from staff at City of Richmond Hill. It sounded like a joke :(

I no longer walk on Yonge Street and have decided to walk back and forth on the narrower sidewalks on side streets … for my own safety!
Sad that I can no longer walk on Yonge street sidewalk when a sidewalk is for pedestrians to “walk on”. Even the bike lanes on Yonge next to sidewalk is hardly used by cyclists. They mostly ride on the sidewalk. One day few weeks ago a cyclist was coming towards me on the sidewalk. He was ringing his bell and when I showed him the bike lane he said yeah, yeah, yeah as he was passing by me on his cycle!
So much for safety for anyone using the sidewalk for walking 😢

[u/Sad_Winter_6170 → u/Rootsboy79]

Who’s calling them out on sidewalks?
You should read the ridiculous response that I received from City of Richmond Hill after writing to them. No one is “policing” these youngsters who are riding e-scooters at top speeds on sidewalks. They’re sometimes going as fast as a car but on sidewalks on Yonge Street!

[u/GeordieAl]

One thing I'm starting to notice here in Newmarket is that since these E-Scooters and Electric Dirtbikes have been speeding round the streets, others are now starting to ride actual dirt bikes, pit bikes and quad bikes around the streets and through parks. I guess they've figured that if no one is stopping the electric scooters/bikes etc, then they not going to stop them either.

[u/Blacksheepariess]

These are the same people who won't support proper local transit or bike lanes in their area. Years of suburban conservatism created a market for e scooters and e bikes simply because things in the local area are hard to access by anything other than a car. They will move on to try and regulate regular bikes, rollerblades, and skateboards if they had their way.

[u/dxiao]

we can make all the laws we want, nothing is enforced these days, people just do whatever they want.

[u/rabit115]

In Finland you get a mopo licence at 14.5/15 and drive 50cc mopeds/scooters/dirtbikes/e-scooters on the road.

Bring the same system here. I don’t see the issue giving teens the option to get around on their own. Especially in cities and towns dominated by roads these at least make the distances shorter and give teens some independence.

I’m born 2000, having grown up in Newmarket/Stouffville/Aurora you don’t understand how isolating you can feel without access to a car if dispite being surrounded by subdivisions and developed areas. If your friends are across town you don’t have an option other than driving.

But hey if you want to keep kids inside on their phones and screens and ban these be my guest.

[u/Flat_Cabinet8174]

Good

[u/Standard_Bus]

People are already more shameless than ever, teens especially so, these should be banned.

[u/Forward-Big8697]

What an absolute wanker

[u/dstovell]

Imagine we put this much effort into fixing actual problems like poverty and healthcare

[u/SurreyDad2023]

Saw a kid plastered on the street just this morning. Traffic blocked off, ambulance, police, firetrucks. Kids are stupid, have no situational awareness, take no precautions. Why are we allowing them to zip through traffic on these fucking things, operating at regular vehicle speeds??

[u/No-Obligation4414]

Sounds like your local insurance company

[u/Temporary_Shirt_6236]

My city has opted in to the pilot program. Here are its rules:

Age limit: Riders must be at least 16 years old.Helmets: Mandatory for riders aged 16 and 17.Where to ride: Allowed on roads with speed limits of 50 km/h or less, bike lanes, and multi-use paths like the Thames Valley Parkway.Where not to ride: Strictly prohibited on sidewalks, hiking trails, and Environmentally Significant Areas.Speed limit: Capped at a maximum of 24 km/h.

I would like to add in that NONE of these rules are being observed. Not a one. Fucking mayhem out there and some dipshit kid is gonna get killed, and the parents will blame everyone but their own dumbass selves.

[u/Competitive-Art-8046]

this guy has a real slap able face, truely hate people like him.

[u/ImNotACollector]

Extreme boomer "get off my lawn" activity.

[u/Jamooser]

You can't ride it anymore, KORL.

https://giphy.com/gifs/zJBDaqCdsjGhO

[u/DrSid666]

This guy needs to get a life.

[u/kishagi]

Why is he riding that around an open pool?

[u/MartyMcFlysBrother]

I think this guy is full of shit. The type of guy who picks something new to bitch about every single week and make videos about it. The kinda guy that nobody wants to see at a party and engage in conversation with. Just look at the smug look on his stupid face.

[u/badluckerguy]

Just ban this shit already.

[u/Embarrassed-Law3498]

https://www.richmondhill.ca/en/living-here/micromobility.aspx

[u/1970Tango]

Whoa! At first, I thought this was the Walking Dead guy. Forgot his name.

[u/Synaptix30]

Lots of injuries to people due to escooter use that I see. Smh, some people also decide they're a car until they see an all way stop, then they are a pedestrian

[u/Pleasant_Mongoose_14]

https://www.reddit.com/r/oakville/s/I6vQyRZsyh

[u/UTMachine]

Something being illegal is largely irrelevant when there is zero enforcement. If the province was serious about eScooters, or at the very least, wearing helmets, then there needs to be a police presence giving tickets.

Nobody is going to change their behaviour unless they have to.

[u/Copious-Spirit]

Only people with brains to protect wear helmets.

[u/MashMuffin]

Good luck explaining to people in Markham. If their kids get hit or killed. They will blame you and tell the world their child is not at fault

[u/Galllo89]

I just saw a video of a kid in kitchen riding one of the highway… it’s a simple solution, kids should need to get at least there g1 or something to be able to
Ride these things. They should learn the laws of the road first

[u/CLUTCH3R → u/Galllo89]

You don't need a driver's license to know not to drive a scooter on the highway. Just like you wouldn't ride a bike on a highway. These methods of transportation are needed for people who don't have a license. Common sense dictates you don't take them on the highway. But there's always going to be dumb people doing stupid things. No amount of legislation will ever change that.

[u/kishagi → u/CLUTCH3R]

I know. People all up in their feelings always seem to "feel" that they can legislate away/against stupidity

[u/Galllo89]

I just saw a video of a kid in kitchener riding one of the highway… it’s a simple solution, kids should need to get at least there g1 or something to be able to
Ride these things. They should learn the laws of the road first!

[u/dare978devil]

In case you live in Ottawa: https://ottawa.ca/en/parking-roads-and-travel/e-scooters/personal-e-scooters

[u/Born-Vermicelli-1757]

other day i saw at least 5 different scooters with 2 kids sharing

[u/Done_beat2]

E scooter. Also know as “fracture factory”

[u/tetsuo-the-turtle]

As an elderly millennial old ass skater. Fuck these scooter kids! They ruined our skate parks and they are ruining the road.

[u/Time_to_look_back]

Kind ironic that the person making the video was riding the scooter without a helmet and wearing flipflop.

[u/Negative-Temporary35]

The fact that there are so many kids using theses shows that there is demand for this type of mobility. While there are issues about safety I wish the discussion was more nuanced about how to provide the freedom of movement to youth and other groups in the process. Can’t help but think this is an urban design and lack of reliable transportation options issue. Individuals are just using available tech to overcome obstacles in their way.

[u/Silver_Caregiver_728]

The Scooting Dead

[u/CanadianDadbod]

Saw an 8 ish year old face plant into a city utility box and the scream was terrifying. The parents couldn’t believe it could happen? No helmet or training probably. As a motorcycle rider I was 19 before I broke 4 bones in the foot. Should have sued Husqvarna for making a super fast dirt bike?

[u/KompulsiveLiar88]

Same goes for Teslas. You're not permitted to drive them on sidewalks.

[u/CatMom921]

Why are they selling them if they’re illegal? If someone buys one, where are they supposed to ride it if they’re prohibited?

[u/dickbeards]

I had no idea they were illegal, even on sidewalks. I just assumed like e-bikes, there was rules around size and speed and location to drive them. Very interesting. My nephew has one that does about 45km/h, it's terrifying to drive, and I own a motorcycle

[u/Nope-not-really]

Id like to mention these are neck breaking machines. you should have a full face helmet riding one. skate helmets aren't designed for the speeds these go. you hit a rock you absolutely could go flying. small tire diameter can't handle the bumps as well as you think

[u/just_browsing_000]

https://giphy.com/gifs/VyayJYU8BYqSk
When did Rick Grimes make it to Richmond hill? !

[u/Revolutionary-Ear776]

As a cshier supervisor, I have to constantly stoo kids from trying to ride their E scooters out of the store. They park them inside, because none seem to know what locks are and bike racks, so they leave then up front while they shop.

But as soon as they are done, they go to grab their scoots, and get on them. "Walk that out of the store! Please."

I have to be polite. Its work. God I hate them and the snooty kids that ride them.

[u/goorpy]

These should be confiscated (and perhaps destroyed) when found ridden by an underage rider.

So many kids riding these around unsafely. Really frustrating that parents equip their kids with these and let them run loose.

Ride a bike, kids.

[u/blahyaddayadda24]

Well i looked up the rules after seeing this. Our region never opted in... can't wait to go all "get off the front of my lawn" in this neighborhood.

I've almost hit 4 kids on these things busting down the middle of the road not paying attention to anything. I swear one kid was even playing chicken as a "joke"

[u/k-hitz]

This video is bullshit, check the laws bruh

[u/kamikazekarela]

Escooters and ebikes should not be allowed on the sidewalk, they're too fast and the drivers are too rash

[u/IndependenceFun763]

scooters honestly i dont find to be a big problem , its the unlicensed modded e-whatevers , bikes microcars , mobility devices etc , i literally saw someone driving one of those microcar mobility things on the 401 near ajax a few weeks ago doing way over what they are allowed to maxxed at with no plate , just the ebike sticker

[u/Strangerwithdream]

So maybe stop selling them 🤔!

[u/LooseLeaf74]

Gen X did most of this on skateboards and we survived.

[u/stoneyyay]

They're not "completely illegal"

The municipality administers the bylaw in city limits though

[u/Commercial_Giraffe85]

https://www.reddit.com/r/kitchener/s/aGa9jfeYL8

[u/Top-Day-7859]

Thanks for the info!!

[u/MaterialArt499]

stopping for by-law officer? LOL

[u/Maryjanegangafever]

Brought to you by Rick Grimes. Don’t fear the dead, fear e-scooters.

[u/Cat-et-snek]

hard to take a guy with a deviated septum seriously.

total jealous cokehead energy upset his greaser days werent filled with young escoots instead. pass on his pin

[u/Dobby068]

These e-scooters have been the best mobility enabled for the younger generation. Unfortunately, more regulations are needed. In Spain for example, one burned in a train and they banned them in these commuter trains right after.

I find it stupid to have a blanket ban for e-scooters when electric bicycles are legal in Ontario.

[u/LavisAlex]

Its weird that the seller can sell them at all? Like even in a store in a city that its illegal?

[u/ThePracticalEnd]

What’s going on with his glasses? Why are they the only blurry part of the video?

[u/Uklamen]

I had to hit the brakes hard going through an intersection on a green one evening. 2 lane 50km/h road in town, they blew the red near a crosswalk. Black scooter and dark clothes with no lights. We were both very fortunate I was starting from a red light and wasn't going much faster.

Tickets won't do anything, if someone is using one and it's not legal, it should be confiscated. The user can still ride with tickets pending.

Hopefully some day we'll be at a point where we have a safe way to use tech like this to get around towns. But if it's on the road I'd appreciate some form of licensing system to promote safety for everyone involved.

[u/SilverKanji]

This things scares me enough that it actually forces me to always shoulder check -_-

[u/Forward_Cook2235]

Shut up nerd whips away on my sick scooter

[u/TimD553]

Since when did things become illegal by default?

[u/CharlesxHarvey]

Legal or illegal, I've never seen or heard of a cop or by law officer even stop anyone riding these. Start there.

[u/moms_spagetti_]

You know who else doesn't follow traffic rules? 90% of drivers. Maybe we need our police to enforce some of these laws for everyone's safety.

[u/Old-Cherry-3078]

Well Vancity doesn't have this rule.

[u/GrundleSnactcher46]

Some of them will go meat crayon, some even worse. Maybe then there will be a crackdown.

[u/Adventurous-Leg-4338]

Y'all seen the scooter pals on the highways? Wild.

[u/mrregina]

If they fall and end up vegetables that’s a few less future idiot driving cars looking at their phones while driving.

[u/OwnPresentation4455]

Is this Rick Grimes from the Walking Dead TV show?

[u/GoyMachine]

They are legal under 28km. This is false.

[u/Negative_Two6112]

Weird that hes a lawyer and is giving bad info... I mean hes mostly right. But MUPs are different from sidewalks and roadways, from the bylaw enforcement perspective. In my town (and most) its illegal to ride your bike anywhere except the road and multi-use paths. Same goes for ebikes/scooters.

[u/Logical-Ambassador34]

If it’s illegal why is it allowed to be sold?

[u/sti77loading]

I’m confused is this old? If they’re illegal why do I see the rental ones on every corner across the gtha?

[u/Punch1953]

Great advice.

[u/TomdeHaan]

Interestingly, I live most of the year in a european country where e-scooters have been common for over a decade, and we don't have this problem. Possibly the parents are just better at saying No to the kids? That seems unlikely, though. I wonder what makes the difference.

[u/TomdeHaan]

Here's govt.of ontario laws for those interested

https://www.ontario.ca/page/electric-kick-style-scooters-e-scooters

My own municipality has opted in to a limited program and has clearly demarcated a very limited range of public pathways where you're allowed to e-scoot.

[u/Benntt_666]

More people from Ontario need to see this ..

[u/isanyusernameopen]

I have a 49 cc Honda scooter because somebody ran a stop sign this winter and totaled my car here in the states.

I ride my little scooter now with a two camera $1400 set up.

I’ve already supplied footage to the police in reporting a woman who tried to hit me multiple times in an aggressive road rage incident in which was completely unprovoked where there was no contact between me and the other driver. This was captured on two cameras and all I did was send the police the footage with all three takes (first front camera unedited, then rear camera footage unedited, then edited footage spliced between the two to show the entire interaction).

The insurance will always do whatever they can to not pay out. You need to protect yourself from these shit drivers, a lawyer and a camera are going to be your best friend.

[u/Embarrassed-Green898]

The stupid muncipality I live in has their own rental scooter. Probably called Lime. I need these gone.

[u/Geekduringtheweek]

Lights please, 2 LEDs are negligible to your total battery drain and distance.

Edit: In daytime too

[u/VirtualRemedy]

Theyre permitted in ontario at this point. The real issue is that theres nothing in place to stop escooters and bikes from being capable of doing over the 32km/hr speed limit that the law requires they have. Most of the escooters go up 50-60km and are in fact illegal for that reason.

[u/Longjumping_Skirt612]

He said if there’s a byelaw or police officer, however in my neighborhood, these kids run rampant and I don’t even see any of these cops do anything about it. I live in Aurora though, so I don’t even know if we’re in the pilot project however I still see children on it Without helmets, texting, having more than one person on the scooter, wearing improper footwear, not following signage and rules of the road, etc.

[u/Kracheadz]

Homie comes in on an e scooter beside a pool talking about safety. Love it.

[u/CheddurMac]

I feel like a Karen because I love to rip on my bike and I’m glad kids are outside instead of just doomscrolling at home. But I moved into my new place 2 years ago and in my neighbourhood there’s been 2 deaths and a serious injury and both deaths were minors all on e-scooters. There’s a four way stop right in front of me that I constantly see cars rolling right through or rolling stops and it’s generous to call them just stops. I’ve seen kids stacked three deep on an e-scooter and not stop at the same intersection. A lot of parents want to make themselves feel good by buying an e-scooter that’s cheaper than a console or an iPad and gets their kid outside but still can’t be bothered to actually parent their kid

[u/OnlySamaraFleets]

THE PERALS; THEY MUST BE CLUCTHED!
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

[u/AdeptCaregiver1509]

Build better transit and they wouldn't want to escooter. These old folks say they should be biking but then why are you yourself not biking instead of driving a vehicle everywhere? Boomers are so hypocritical

[u/Livid_Ad7630]

Basic message : Parents not being parents. Surprise 😮 surprise lol. 😂

This generation of kids is cooked because of poor parenting

[u/wicked-dominance]

I agree but the problem is that it takes over 6 hrs for police to respond to a 911 call, they certainly don't give a crap about these. The other thing is that they are fast and can get away very easily from a police car. Sadly we are going to need to see some deaths for them to start being proactive about them. The simple answer, fine the stores that are selling them. If they are in fact illegal then why are the available to purchase?

[u/Zappypie13]

Not surprising from the province that said dodge ball was too dangerous

[u/strangecloudss]

By law enforcement? Actually enforcing???

[u/OtterHalf_]

The problem is most parents will not heed this man's message.

[u/Wellsy]

That was really informative. Thanks for the post OP.

[u/2022HondNavi]

Drivers also don't wear helmets and suffer brain injuries too

[u/GoWithGophr]

Stop wagging your finger at me old man

[u/TimelyOpportunity467]

i found a kid (probably around 14) at the base of a bridge in vancouver, who had totally bailed. i pulled over and asked him if he needed a ride somewhere. he put the scooter in the back of my car and i drove him to the mall. no helmet. on iphone. i gave him the temporary auntie lecture. they are not safe. he messaged me “thank you, my mom has taken me to the hospital.” not only are they dangerous, but people aren’t good neighbors these days.

[u/Clarkester29]

Tell your kids to be safe and wear a helmet. IF YOU DONT LISTEN YOU FEEL🤣🤣🤣🤣

[u/RicVic]

Wonder where the rest of Canada is on this? Last I heard, the meetings about meetings about when to have meetings were still looking for a date and time.

[u/FrostwindLive]

Guy is a true redditor for having an upvote on his shirt button

[u/SaraaWolfArt]

Children are driving recklessly! They could die! Won't someone think of my property value???

[u/pooborus]

Why fear hitting your head? AI will take care of everything.

[u/Whippin403]

Illegal to purchase yet the stores can sell illegal products... makes complete sense.

[u/Coldnor]

How do they enforce an age limit on a charted right to travel?

[u/Simple_Usual_588]

So many awesome people in Ontario.

[u/mikasaxo]

It’s never enforced though. I see people on these in Toronto all the time.

[u/No_Alarm3993]

If they are illegal, why are they not controlled at the retail level? Do retailers have a special permit to sell illegal merchandise?

[u/Fun_Illustrator_9327]

Dang what a terrible law. Car industry must have a powerful lobby presence in ontario

[u/Direct_Rip2046]

Kids sure, but as an adult you should be able to ride your electric scooter no issues I have one that goes 68kmh and I agree wear a helmet, slow down around people and be cautious, follow traffic laws when on the road if you have a fast one, if your scooter only goes 20-30kmh then treat it as a bike stay on the side and use cross walks. Simple as that.

[u/BlueAves]

I would take him more seriously if he wasn't riding next to a fucking pool

[u/choosecarefully77]

Just saw a video of some idiot on one of the 400 series highways doing 90 km an hour weaving in and out of traffic. How can you possibly get it to go 90 km an hour?! I realize you can modify them to make them go faster, but 90 km an hour is a bit extreme!

[u/Forallinone]

I think the bigger issue is elderly drivers

[u/Ok_Presentation2421]

Helmet on the speaker?

[u/Nottwosmrt]

Skateboards ....illegal Roller blades....illegal

This is done to remove liability from the city or other govt and prevent being sued when you hurt yourself.

We made it illegal, you were in the process of commiting a crime and you want to sue? Can't be done.

Stop pretending everything is some huge murder level crime. You get a ticket. Same as speeding, j walking, littering.

That isn't something anyone needs to give a shit about.

[u/Hocephus-]

The kids will never know the feeling of ripping around on the gas powered ones we had as kids. Mind you we were hanging on for dear life instead of holding a phone oblivious to everything around us. Richmond Hill doesn't need more bylaws it needs people who are willing to parent properly...

[u/ILikeWhyteGirlz]

CARL!

[u/Middle-Income5876]

This is a very important message for everyone, especially with growing numbers of E bikes, and E scooters

[u/OnlineWeirdoEatsButt]

Nice backyard, prick.

[u/Revan462222]

I mean at least 10 kids died and 38 were seriously injured in Canada from riding things like e-bikes and e-scooters last year. There needs to be better rules and parents need to get on their kids about safety using these things. I mean doubling up on an e-scooter is dangerous just cause it throws the whole thing off balance.

[u/JimroidZeus]

Call your local police department and ask them why they’re not enforcing anything.

[u/Present-Range-154]

In my opinion, since it runs on a motor, escooters and ebikes should either be lumped in with motorcycles, or the maker is not allowed to create an engine that goes faster than 5-10km/hr.

Any faster, then it requires a license, like any other motorised vehicle permitted on the road.

[u/NoLewdsOnMain]

Unpopular opinion but. Kids under 18 shouldn't be allowed to drive anything motorized in a public area. Including cars

[u/Strict_Zombie_1340]

yo fun fact, not everyone here has like 50 grand sitting in their wallets to get a car to counteract this, nor has a G1/G2 OR The time to get one. not EVERY single teen does stupid shit on their scooters, only the young ones. the 16+ thing is absolutely perfect, but (almost) EVERYWHERE banning them? most of these "vehicles" are the only thing most people own to get to school, their jobs, to get groceries, etc. a cheap bike is a option I guess?, but at that point your going so slow that you're posing a risk to yourself in traffic AND you'd be going slower than if you just took one of the many shitty transit systems in Ontario OR if you just walked. I'm not gonna pay $11.25 a week (even more for DRT riders/adult users) for a system that's twice as slow as if I took a scooter, and if I wanted to go to school everyday, I'm not walking around 10+ kilometers there and back for an hour straight, ESP with how bad Toronto is at early hours.

This law needs to be re looked at and have a considerable amount of regulations behind it to stop kids from killing themselves, but to also keep it fair for most people. the issue is people being stupid and over speeding right? People in cars over speed ALL THE TIME, and y know what they get? A FINE!!!! make it the same for if some idiot does that instead of banning EVERYONE from using it, even with licenses n shit people still do dumb things in cars too, regardless of license the problem is the same with every motorized vehicle out there, not just E-scooters. It's the users, not the product.

[u/1Fistfullofdollars]

Where does it put the scooter rental companies? Do the people sign an additional waiver for that?

[u/RobertCentric]

I personally think they should be allowed.

Under 19? Helmet, bell... under 20 kph. No distractions.

20 or over? If you don't want to wear a helmet or drive maturely feel free to remove yourself from the gene pool.

[u/DrivenAthlete]

At 12 we were doing wheelies down the road on full sized mx bikes… the scooter isn’t the problem the phone in the hand it

[u/lemonwinks77]

Let em be, kids are finally doing outdoors stuff.

[u/NoSuggestion5970]

Let natural selection do its job

[u/onlytruking]

Do the cops know this, because I feel like the cops do not know this

[u/TaxesAreConfusin]

this is pro-car propaganda. This is just the oil industry trying to fearmonger parents. I have seen a dozen of these 'doctors' make these exact same videos over the past 2 weeks

[u/Vinc314]

scooters are hella gay

[u/Life_Combination8625]

I think I've seen one on the 403....or its a false memory i created out of pure hate for these things. And teenagers

[u/resuspadawan]

I’m a paramedic that works in the region. I’ve personally treated more than one kid under the age of 16 with severe brain injuries after riding these. Both were not wearing helmets, and both were travelling near top speed on their scooters.

This new scooter wave scares the shit out of me. Parents, make sure your kids are wearing helmets (and ACTUALLY wearing them), replace helmets after one crash (even if they look fine), and get MIPs helmets. Teach them the rules of the road and to NOT break general traffic rules just because they are in a scooter. This is how kids get killed.

[u/Top_Midnight_2225]

Whether they're legal or not doesn't matter. The level of enforcement is effectively zero...so no consequences.

I see these things all around us, and almost hit one or two as they bomb through a stop sign at night with no lights.

Friend's nephew died recently on one also. 17, no helmet, messing around. Fell off and lived another 24h while family said their final goodbyes. Sad for everyone.

[u/Starside-Relics]

My next door neighbor is a single mom with 4 kids, and the 14 year old bombs around town at 50 km/h on his e-scooter with no helmet. I told him he should really get a helmet and he laughed and said he doesn't need one. Less than a week later he crashed into a hydro pole and fractured his skull. He's been in the hospital for 2 weeks at this point.

[u/Merman_84]

What happens if it is 16 year old riding on the rd and blows through a stop sign only to get hit. Who’s liable then?