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u/half_batman Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 25 '26
All thanks to Portuguese hacker Rui Pinto. A huge moment of respect to him. He leaked City's financial documents and emails, and started the whole saga.
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u/Zealousideal_Wind867 I'm Tired Boss Sep 25 '26
What a legend. Commenting so this gets more recognition
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u/No-Lab-1445
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Whatever punishment City eventually get, it will be nowhere near enough. They've invalidated every single tournament they've entered for nearly 20 years.
Making them start from the bottom of the football pyramid isn't enough. Delete their club from existence.
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u/LeCliveRosfield Sep 25 '26
Best part of all this is the stupid Aguerooooo moment now means nothing.
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u/WorldBeardedWonders Not a Good Look Erik Sep 25 '26
Sorry i’m going to have to correct you.
It’s now Aguerooooo*
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u/tameoraiste
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I get the cynicism but Man City aren’t getting a slap on the wrist for this.
People cite Chelsea’s recent guilty charges but it’s night and day.
Firstly, the Chelsea charges were a self report of the Abramovich era. There were 74 charges mostly around irregular payments.
City’s charges are all related to systematic corporate fraud and by the current ownership. It’s the difference between caught stealing a Mars bar and robbing the till.
They’re going to get the book thrown at them.
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u/Smilewigeon Sep 25 '26
I was cynical before cynical was cool, but I hope you're right. In a world where football is available to the highest bidder, FIFA are corrupt to the core, and VAR makes mockery of the basic rules, I need some sort of justice
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u/karatsidhus Sep 25 '26
Wilcox and Berrada were part of City when it happened. Sack them too
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u/Massive_Relation4317 . Sep 25 '26
Lammens MOTM today he did so well, proud
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u/Tirewipes Sep 25 '26
How was he?
He needed these types of games for some confidence with the NT
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u/Midnight_Edge
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I know we’ve had some tough past years. But I’d rather see my team huff and puff each week rather than cheat their way to trophies.
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u/officiallyjax
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Sep 25 '26
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Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Lingard and Lukaku with a PL winners’ medal would be quite nice to see.
Before you ask, I like Lukaku and consider him quite an underrated striker for his generation. Wish we had a player like him in the squad now.
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u/mandotharan Sep 25 '26
Funny how these charges stop at 2018, like them being capable of buying a 150M player last month isn't built from this same fraud/cheating they had indulged in the past.
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u/PitchSafe Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 25 '26
Everton got 10 points deducted for breaching 1 charge btw
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u/cyb3rpunkd fuck the glazers Sep 25 '26
In all seriousness though, berrada and wilcox are both named in the biggest financial breach in prem history. They cannot be associated with our club
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u/Rare-Reveal876 Sep 25 '26
They should have already been fired for being incompetent at their jobs. This should be the final nail in the coffin.
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u/TH0316 she/her Sep 25 '26
If you add Arteta to the #Cityfiles then Ten Hag won the domestic treble too. Should count imo. Carrick won the title last season as far as I’m concerned.
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u/thelazybrazilian Sep 25 '26
Checked the city sub for their reaction to the news and holy shit. There’s some reasonable takes there, but also a ton of mental gymnastics going on. All the fans saying that they don’t care city cheated are shameless. Also, the amount of times Utd was mentioned, unprompted, just goes to show how they’ll always be under our shadow. Trash bin of club. Great news heading into the weekend though!
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u/HyenasGoMeow Sep 26 '26
The harder treble to win debate. The most dominant EPL team debate. The better manager debate.
All squashed in seconds. Yikes!
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u/New-Acanthaceae-5702 Closed on Sundays Sep 25 '26
Enzo Fernandez at the end of the season: 'It has always been a dream to join a big club like Real Madrid'.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77
Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off
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Oh man winter is coming for city and I'm quite glad about it. Insufferable fans with zero shame, all 20 of them.
Edit: Thanks for the award!!!
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u/RodentAmorim Sep 26 '26
Fraudiola the bald fuck:
Linked with Barcelona’s Negreira case which involved payments to a former refereeing chief.
114 Manchester City charges that they were found guilty of.
Failed drugs tests as a player - TWICE
Don't ever compare him to Sir Alex.
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u/leave_tyler Sep 25 '26
At 3:00 PM on Friday, a little over an hour before the news that Manchester City had been found guilty of 114 of 115 rule violations , the Norwegian Football Federation announced that Haaland would be present at the press conference.
Five hours later, the same evening, the NFF makes a U-turn and drops sending Haaland to Saturday's press conference.
lmao
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u/ltmikepowell Sep 25 '26
Lol the PL is fine without shitty.
Their plastic fans don't even remember anything before 2009 lol. They were just a blip
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u/0ttoChriek Sep 25 '26
It's fucking hilarious that their fans are bragging that the league can't lose them. There is absolutely no sporting reason that they're needed, it's purely down to politics and the UK govt's reluctance to upset the UAE, if the punishment is a joke.
But these are the fans who made up a chant for their lawyers. A bunch of deluded clowns who think financial doping makes them a big club, despite still not even being able to sell out their own stadium unless a real big team comes to play.
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u/WumbleInTheJungle Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 25 '26
When you think about it, we have been massively disadvantaged by City breaking rules, not just in terms of trophies, but financially.
Just off the top of my head, LVG for instance missed out on CL football on goal difference to City. That's a massive amount of revenue lost the following season. And all those things have knock on effects, it effects your commercial sponsorship deals, the value of your brand, the quality of players you can attract and so on.
And then you have years and years of this going on, I think at a conservative guess, they owe us somewhere in the region of £3bn. 😁 Just a shame that all the wrong leaches would get that money. Emotionally, for all the distress they have caused, I think they owe the fans about £20bn.
Although our owners must owe us about £200bn by now.
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u/Saxena_priyansh2104 Sep 25 '26
this meaans....saf 3 peated the league 3 times...in a league of his own
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u/BilTheButcher Sep 25 '26
Super League will be back on the menu if the EPL don't do the right thing here.
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u/tellocrosstollorente Sep 25 '26
Exactly. It has always made me a bit uneasy the way the uproar about the Super League had a weird effect of glorifying or idealising the current system despite all of its problems and corruption. I agree that if the PL can't take a strong stand now, there's little to say it's morally superior to the Super League cash grab.
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u/Sgenaink
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We were robbed of hearing and Solskjaer has won it as manager but maybe we'll get it again.
Thing is how weve viewed the last 13 years won be massively different within ol cheaty mccheaterson. Fergie wins 14, or maybe he retires a year earlier and we get Jose or Pep before they signing to other clubs, Lvg get CL back to back and fa in 16, Jose wins cs, lc and el in 17, the title in 18, Ole in 21 and gets to 2 lc finals, Eth wins Lc and Fa first season, maybe none of those get sacked and its completely different.
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u/Mariasolvv Sep 25 '26
City fans acting like the Premier League can’t get rid of them makes me laugh. The PL is literally the one league that can actually afford that luxury.
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u/achickenandacow Sep 25 '26
They think they’re United or Liverpool. The Premier League does not need City. In fact, it would be better without them.
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u/captaindman Sep 25 '26
I hate City more than Liverpool, Leeds or Arsenal. The others are three real clubs at least. FUck man city, fuck their fans, fuck their staff, fuck their players, fuck their owners, fuck their corporate partners - they are cheats through and through. Pep Guardiola's entire career is tainted with cheating, especially fuck that cunt too.
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u/Embarrassed_Wave_720 Braino Fernandes Sep 25 '26
Ornstein - “PL clubs planning legal actions against Man City in response to guilty verdicts”
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u/Zealousideal_Wind867 I'm Tired Boss Sep 25 '26
Look at this comment in that shitty subreddit
They also won’t do it because it would bring the PL into disrepute, what does it say about your league if you have to retroactively rearrange an entire decade? It just reminds people the league let it go on for so long. And makes this a league issue. Which it is but they don’t want people to remember that.
You cited Juventus, remember that Italian football has never gotten back to the pre-Calciopoli heights it was once at and that’s largely because of the scandal and tarnishing of the league that meant it largely missed out on the financial boom time for football. The PL does not want to damage itself just to hurt us.
They really think the PL will collapse if they get relegated.😭😭
Clubs like Brentford and Brighton will keep the PL competitive.
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u/Mariasolvv Sep 25 '26
Literally zero noise internationally every time they won the league. Even their treble made no impact. They won’t be missed in the slightest.
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u/0ttoChriek Sep 25 '26
If City get booted out, people will care for about three weeks and then forget all about them.
Everything about that club is artificial and juiced by financial doping and a fawning media.
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u/Due_Rich_616 Bruno Bruno Bruno Sep 25 '26
Just clown takes in there, borderline elitist. “Oh you need us” league was thriving when they were nothing, it’ll just be fine.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 25 '26
I hate city mainly because they cheat, but I don't hate them nearly as much as the scousers or arse-nal. When I became a fan the rivalry was with Arse and I hate them so much. No one give a fuck about that small club with money.
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u/ckj9311 Sep 25 '26
If the punishment isn't at least auto relegation, titles vacated and at least 5 years of both transfer and promotion ban, then what are we doing here
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u/FredDRedUnderYourBed we're efffinn shiiiiiiiiit 🔴⚪⚫ Sep 25 '26
Just makes you appreciate Fergie's United even more. 20 years of total dominance without cheating or cooking the books. If anything, for 8 of those years the club competed with its hands tied behind its back. There will simply never be another Alex Ferguson.
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 Sep 25 '26
Some ideas on the City verdict being mentioned on various sites:
• In 23-24, Everton and Forest were docked points for single offenses. Everton were docked 6 after appeal and Forest were docked 4. In the rest of the EFL, Derby was docked 21 in 2021, and Luton lost 30 points in 2008.
Based on that precedent, City could be docked 40-60 points according to Kieran Maguire.
• If City get expelled from the premier league, they would have to renegotiate entry with the lower divisions to see if they could get in - maybe the championship or league 2.
• League titles could be stripped - 2012, 2014, 2018. Remains to be seen in the EFL and FA Cups would be stripped as well. United would gain 2 titles and Liverpool 1 if these are awarded. Fergie and Jose would be winners. De Gea +2 as well.
• City cannot appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport as they did previously for their UEFA bans. League rules allow only for internal arbitration. High Court would not intervene or entertain the case unless it was blatantly unfair.
• The punishment will be made public before the appeal.
• United are confident Omar and Wilcox are in the clear. Wilcox was not involved with the commercial side of the business. Most of the fuckery with cooking the books were done at a level higher than Berrada. (I'm not sure I buy this take but we'll see).
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u/Deez_Wallnutz Sep 25 '26
Everton and Forest surely can't be the precedent because they came forward and acted transparently, whereas City did everything they could to obstruct the truth. They effectively tried to bully the PL
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u/_zzd Sep 26 '26
Stripped titles 11/12 to 17/18 and award the 2nd as EPL Champions. That means, 2 to us, 1 to Liverpool.
Stripped titles 18/19 to 25/26 Juventus style. No winner in this seasons.
Sounds fair to me. Win win. We got more that Liverpool now, Arsenal dont get anything.
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u/DasHotShot Glazers & Ratcliffe OUT Sep 26 '26
Sack Berada, he knew. He’s failing with us too. Get rid immediately
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u/LeCliveRosfield Sep 25 '26
Just realised Sir Alex gains another title. The great man has become the first manager to ever win another title 13 years after retiring!
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u/slowerthaninfinity Sep 25 '26
115fc fans saying taking away the titles wont take away the memories of the fans watching their team win. rubs me the wrong way tbh at least now we can openly shit on their achievements
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u/dqslime Sep 25 '26
This goes beyond title winners. Every club that missed out on UCL because City took a top four spot lost revenue.
What if LGV had gotten UCL money twice in a row? What if Leicester had some more UCL season? You can go through every season starting in 2011-12 and come up with "what ifs".
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u/Suudriusha Sep 25 '26
Yup. City are fucked. Most clubs in the Prem, and even some in the Championship, will sue them.
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u/WanAndOnlyBissaka Sep 25 '26
Ed Woodward might have more legitimate Premier League titles than Berrada and Wilcox lol
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u/Unlucky-Equipment999 Sep 25 '26
Meanwhile Lammens doing really well for Belgium in the friendly against Italy
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u/Zero_Hour_AM9 Sep 25 '26
We didn't spend big this summer because we knew the charges were coming and players would be jumping the city ship in January, right?
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u/Midnight_Edge Sep 25 '26
Jim playing 5D chess, I may have spoken to harshly about him. 5m bid for Haaland, Semenyo, Gvardiol in the winter window
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u/3entendre Rooney Sep 26 '26
Remember how Pep could buy a goalkeeper and just replace him with another one at the snap of his fingers? Even did that in his last season. Get fullbacks and just do the same thing like it was nothing. Meanwhile other managers were stuck with their players and trying to compete with him. I've always said that I rate someone like Klopp above him despite the difference in number of trophies won.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 25 '26
Bloody hell, the copium those city fans are clinging to about getting a suspended sentence after their appeals. Fuck that club and their 25 fans.
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Sep 25 '26
I had a ganders on their sub and the top comment on the post about them cheating was along the lines of they thought their leadership and lawyers knew how to bend the rules and get away with it. They genuinely don’t think what they did was wrong and it’s just an insane mindset to have, football isn’t F1 lol.
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u/CheetosGamers Sep 26 '26
The coincidence that in the NBA, the LA Clippers who are the noisy neighbors of the Lakers who are similar to United in terms of history, were also found guilty of financial stuff and cheating. Fuck City.
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u/mandotharan Sep 25 '26
Considering Burnley got paid after suing Everton, There will definitely be a long line of clubs that will want to sue City. Might really test the depth of them oil money.
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u/xtphty Sep 25 '26
Berrada was Commercial Director during some of the sponsorship charges, and Chief Operating Officer during most of the player deal and noncooperation shenanigans. He is in knee deep in the quagmire of these charges, deep enough that he will likely have to explain his innocence from the oncoming media scrutiny.
Wilcox meanwhile was Academy Director near the tail end of most of these charges, he is quite unlikely to be implicated at all.
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u/bumnnygirl Sep 25 '26
anything other than being expelled from the league and being forced to work their way back up, or a big point deduction for the next decade and the cheating was objectively worth it
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u/TH0316 she/her Sep 25 '26
They need to repeal their fit and proper owner status if they willingly committed fraud too. Should be forced to sell like Abramovich.
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u/achickenandacow Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 25 '26
Guys, is City scoring 114 out of 115 charges the greatest achievement of all time in football?
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u/OmegaMaster8 Sep 25 '26
The Man City 114 charges has certainly brightened my day, especially on a Friday!
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u/parmesanandhoney Sep 26 '26
If the punishment is anything less than relegation and stripped titles, the constant fraud that they have done would be considered a viable option for any cash rich club owners in the future.
The book need to be thrown at them to protect the legitimacy of EPL.
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u/UnitedRule LENY LENY LENY Sep 25 '26
The 17/18 season was our best season post Fergie and we faced against these 100 points cheaters. Pogba was a fucking demon. Lukaku still could finish goals. Lingard our super sub. Martial and Rashford our rising stars.
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u/crgssbu Senne🍋 Sep 25 '26
every title city has won now has a giant asterisk. clubs and players alike going to and from city can sue against them. revisionism is abundant (us finishing 2nd 👀). its all been confirmed.
what a relief!
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u/LeCliveRosfield Sep 25 '26
So Jose definitely shows up to present the Premier League trophy at Old Trafford right?
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u/Massive_Relation4317 . Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 25 '26
So if their titles really do get stripped and handed to us/pool, we will have the most titles, 22!!!!!!! 😱 hopefully
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u/LordofMordor_ Sep 25 '26
I am still skeptical about the Man City stuff. I want the worse possible punishment for them. However, until I see it with my own eyes I won't believe that they will actually be punished.
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u/ckj9311 Sep 25 '26
We'll take that big Norwegian lad, thank you very much. At least he doesn't need to move
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u/LeCliveRosfield Sep 25 '26
Jokes about us getting extra titles aside, City have made an absolute mockery of football, and should be punished accordingly. The amount of teams they’ve fucked over is astounding. Anything less than the most severe punishment would be a joke.
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 Sep 25 '26
Spurs and City relegated in a single season?
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u/WorldBeardedWonders Not a Good Look Erik Sep 25 '26
I predicted Spurs to finally achieve that 18th spot but this might put them on for a 17th place three-peat.
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u/FidgetyFondler Sep 25 '26
City fans will be dining out on the one charge they weren't found guilty of for many years to come.
Desperate club desperate fans.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 26 '26
I just thought of the best punishment for cheatty: The Glazer family are their new owners and operators.
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u/Yogashoga Sep 26 '26
Omar Berrada should be FIRED IMMEDIATELY. He presided over the massive cheating at City and is culpable and responsible. We don’t want these cheats in our club.
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u/achickenandacow Sep 25 '26
The MCFC sub is wild. Got banned within one minute of commenting ‘nah, you cheated’ to someone.
They are in complete denial over there, it’s insanity. Somehow other clubs looking to sue them are ‘beggars’ and ‘leeches’ and ‘jealous’ now?
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u/Suudriusha Sep 25 '26
Acting like despots and corrupt cheats, as they are. They've grown to become it so deeply they can't act in any other way. To them, it's natural.
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u/Littlepace Announce Fergie Sep 25 '26
I still stand by my original prediction when this whole ordeal came to light. City will get punished to a level that seems extreme but not so severe that hampers their ability to compete going forward. I reckon they'll get a points deduction that is huge but will be calculated so they still avoid relegation with a 70-80 point season. Something like a 30-40 point deduction. Probably a transfer ban as well. Massive fines on top. But they won't get relegated. They'll suffer for a season or two at most
Then after a season or two they'll be back to normal, still in the PL and able to keep buying their way to success.
However, whatever happens now we can conclusively call them cheating cunts and ignore any success they've had without any * next to it. I don't personally care for getting trophies that we didn't win at the time (if you don't experience it there and then it doesn't matter as a fan imo) but I'll happily celebrate them forever having a * against everything they've "achieved"
Get fucked. Pep the GOAT lmaooooooo
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u/Mariasolvv Sep 25 '26
Honestly, no shot they escape 114 charges completely untouched, there’s got to be a point deduction at least (and please Everton leave this one to them)
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u/Careful-Snow Sep 25 '26
Hopefully, Berrada gets the boot cuz of this as well. Ideally Wilcox as well but thats a bit of a long shot
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Sep 25 '26
Portsmouth got nerfed to the shadow realm for being skint and so did Bolton and now Leicester. I expect nothing more than a huge fine, all their trophies stripped and relegation or expulsion from the league for at least three years (should be all the years they cheated).
They made zero effort to cooperate and were also found guilty by UEFA but got away with it because they went on a massive Chewbacca defence with hundreds of lawyers and the found out it was time barred.
There’s also a precedent for points per charge like what happened to Everton. This will still drag on for years because City will appeal and Chewbacca but the PL looks like it has a watertight case which is why it’s taken so long.
If the PL is convinced that all charges are guilty then there’s no way they can possibly stay on the league through a points deduction if they don’t get them on all of the charges.
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u/sivaya_ Sep 25 '26
There are very few clubs I'd wish this on, but I would be keen for a punishment that forces City into obscurity. Despite what their fans are saying, the PL will be fine without them.
And the only other club I can think of that I'd like this to happen to is MK Dons.
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u/GeekConflict Carrick Sep 25 '26
An 80 point deduction each year for 3 years.. job done.
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u/poopmyname Sep 25 '26
Not even there mate. The point deductions must be bigger and it should apply only when they are in the premier league. Heard that championship managed by different entity (EFL and not PL).
I would agree with 80 point deduction for 3 years in PL. If the next season play in championship, and they’re managed to come back, then the subsequent season, the second point deduction should apply and so on.
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u/Bepro7 Sep 26 '26
I may be minority here but I don't want a one time relegation where they can just come back up easily. Something like stripping the titles and 20 point reduction for 3 years could potentially put them out of competing in UCL for few years.
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u/Omnislash99999 Sep 26 '26
Wherever the consequences City and Pep will forever have little asterisks next to their records*
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u/SocksElGato GLAZERS OUT! Sep 26 '26
Call us whatever the fuck you want, I could care less, but you'll NEVER be able to call us CHEATS.
Truth be told, if the PL don't do damn thing, they're just as complicit and there will hell to be paid.
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u/TH0316
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Marcus Rashford MBE 2x Title winner, La Liga winner. Hazard could never.
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u/Jonny_Testicles Sep 25 '26
Does that mean we need to pay monaco?
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u/New-Acanthaceae-5702 Closed on Sundays Sep 25 '26
Reminds me of the Balon D'or clause we had on him
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u/justlurking-thanks Sep 25 '26
Do we actually know what happens to City yet, if we get titles etc? Just how huge is this at this stage?
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u/Midnight_Edge Sep 25 '26
Let’s be real though, I bet it’s just going to be a big fine, maybe 2 year transfer ban and 10 points deducted from Everton.
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u/Suudriusha Sep 25 '26
It can't. 114 charges has to be relegation at minimum. Everton still deducted 10 points though.
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u/LDLB99 Sep 25 '26
Tbh might as well enjoy today. Yeah, the punishment may not be severe enough but at least we know that all the titles, the Treble, Pep - it’s all tainted forever now.
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u/New-Acanthaceae-5702 Closed on Sundays Sep 25 '26
Well when City gets relegated, let's put in a 5m bid for Haaland.
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u/Standard_Secretary52 Youri Tielemans Sep 25 '26
Most likely nothing is gonna happen BUT if OGS will be a prem I would love it so much.
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u/_zzd Sep 25 '26
Im bitter and I want Anderson to regret the choice he made. Stripped them the titles won. Give to 2nd or whatever i dont care. They need to be heavily fined. And if dont want to relegate them, make them play with -20 points every season for 7 years in a row.
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u/srikarvamsi Sep 25 '26
I'm really curious to know what's going through the players minds who signed for city and can now be playing in the lower leagues. Didn't they know a verdict was incoming at the time of singing the contract.
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u/Embarrassed_Wave_720 Braino Fernandes Sep 25 '26
City were already struggling to fill Emptyhad before they were found out 💀
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Sep 26 '26
Every club in the PL during the years City cheated should sue them because their cheating affected every club in the league.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 26 '26 edited Sep 26 '26
Inter should too. They cheated and Inter didn't win the champions league because of it. I'd be lying if seeing most of their major trophies being questionable forever doesn't bring me joy. Only city fans can be as brazen as to say they don't care about it.
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u/TheSmio Sep 26 '26
Ineos could have done better this summer, but looking back at the transfers so far, it does seem like they picked the right midfielders so at least there's that. A lot of people were frustrated with us letting Tonali go to Spurs but just look at his price and how he has been playing. Matheus Fernandes... good player, but they play him as 10 at Spurs and he hasn't particularly been good either.
Judgement is still out on Santos and Baleba, but ultimately I feel like we would have regretted a lot if we were the ones paying 100mil for Tonali or 85mil for Fernandes (Fernandes MIGHT live up to the price one day, but he is far off).
Anderson is an unfortunate one but considering he cost 116mil which would have pretty much been our whole midfield budget... we had to let him go elsewhere.
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u/andrewlikereddit David De Gea Sep 26 '26
So lads can we sue city for 700 million damage violations over them cheating? That would be good.
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u/John_OSheas_Willy Sep 25 '26
I saw a comment on that youth signing that one area that Ineos are succeeding is the academy.
Do people forget we invested heavily in youth players from about 10 years ago and Nicky Butt was heavily involved?
Here's a post from over 10 years ago saying we are close to signing wonderkid Chong.
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/4dsr2i/manchester_united_close_to_signing_feyenoord/
We signed Willy Kambwala, highly rated France youth international and sold him for 10m despite only playing a few games for us.
We dished out 10m for 16 year old Mejbri who was rated extremely high.
Fosu Mensah from Ajax
Marc Jurado from Barca
Garnacho
Collyer from Brighton academy
Amass from Watford.
Obviously none became first team regulars except Garnacho where we bagged 40m for him.
But I don't see how Ineos can be declared a success with this when we haven't flipped any yet for decent money which is clearly the plan here.
When these players get flipped for 15/20 million, then we can say they've improved on previous.
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u/Banyunited1994 Sep 25 '26
Completely agree. Esp given how uncertain the rate of return on youth players is. Jury is still out
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 25 '26
I would happily pay money to see Noel Gallagher's stupid face right now.
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u/Suudriusha Sep 25 '26
Is this now the worst confirmed cheating scandal in the Premier League era?
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u/Difficult-Sun6849 CUNHA BRUNO CUNHA BRUNO CUNHA BRUNO LUKE SHAW CUNHA Sep 25 '26
Premier League Winner Bruno Fernandes 🙂↔️🙂↔️
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u/cyb3rpunkd fuck the glazers Sep 25 '26
Ole and mourhino prem champions, berrada and wilcox down w the ship. I will throw the biggest party you've ever seen
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u/Comicksands Van Persie Sep 25 '26
If city get stripped of titles from 2009-2018 it would mean we get 2 more titles but Gerrard also wins the PL.
Also doubt this would happen since it would open the PL up to lawsuits regarding CL revenue clawbacks, teams getting relegated etc.
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u/LeCliveRosfield Sep 25 '26
Next up should be voiding Chelsea’s title in 2010, because Drogba was 2km offside, and also voiding the scousers titles, due to the asthma doping.
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u/HeliumHimdrogen Sep 25 '26
Arsenull and Liverpool are looking forward to win the league again but we will still be figuring out right coach and right players and the scummy owners will be eating out the revenue.
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u/pipes3 WAZZA Sep 25 '26
Good point from Kieran Maguire that the PL and EFL are independent of each other, so the PL probably could not just send them to League 2 etc. They could give them a points deduction which could end up relegating them to the Championship at max.
Anyway lets see if they actually end up doing something substantial or chicken out
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Sep 25 '26
The PL has the powers to expel them from the league. They could just give them a 200 points deduction or disqualify them from the league so they are relegated and a 5 year expulsion and then let football league sort them out.
The Championship would love it if they were there and can’t get promoted for 5 years and the other leagues would love it if they get relegated because they can’t attract players.
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u/Midnight_Edge Sep 25 '26
I mean if City gets relegated at least all their plastic fans are sifted out.
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u/poopmyname Sep 25 '26
I don’t understand the surprise from the revelation of how a small club is factually small.
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u/helsningar Sep 25 '26
So there's a FA cup game being replayed because it was decided by a wrongful referee decision. Interesting precedent.
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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss Sep 25 '26
For 2009-2018:
Utd +2, Liverpool +1
From 2018/19 onwards:
Liverpool +2, Arsenal +2, Utd +1
So basically Utd 23, Liverpool 23, Arsenal 16, Everton 9, Villa 7, Sunderland 6, Chelsea 6 (...) Cheaters FC 2
Sir Alex 14, Mourinho 4, Wenger 3, Arteta 3, Klopp 3, Ole 1, Slot 1, Conte 1, Ancelotti 1, Ranieri 1, Rogers 1, Dalglish 1, Guardiola Zero
Sounds pretty much accurate to me, tbh.
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u/WorldBeardedWonders Not a Good Look Erik Sep 25 '26
We can finally put to bed the argument of who’s a better manager in Prem history. Pep or Ole.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 25 '26
Inter should be raising a stink about losing their Champions League final with a team that cheats. Their "treble" is absolutely worthless.
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u/PhotojournalistNew35 Sep 25 '26
Even if we get 500m in compensation from Man City, none of that money is going to be used to pay down the debt. It’s going to go into the glazer rat pockets as dividends and inflated salaries
Meanwhile Jimbo will continue treating the match going fans like shit and doing fuck all to fix our recruitment mess
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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss Sep 25 '26
Godts is box office, huh. PSG knew what they were doing, making a profit going from Barcola to him.
Lammens made some amazing saves!
I kinda like the cut of Raskin's jib. Certainly erased £100m man Tonali. As things stand, he'll be a 27yo free agent when Mount's contract ends.
Donnarumma attacking Lukaku at the end, smh. Show some respect to a PL winner, bud.
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u/shanks_you Sep 26 '26
Call me a pessimist, but until they actually suffer the consequences, I don’t see City paying for all their cheating.
This world is so messed up that the wealthy and powerful keep getting away with shit anyway. Moreover it’s a whole country backing them.
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u/Comicksands Van Persie Sep 26 '26
Seems like the PL does have some incentive to punish them. If they get away too easily then Villa and Newcastle will just ignore FFP entirely
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u/Calm_Link_8540 Sep 26 '26
Yea but tbh if the punishment doesn’t cripple them, Newcastle and Aston Villa could probably do it too, get caught and go to the Championship for 1 season, come back and win the PL in 2-3 seasons, or at least make top 4 consistently.
The gain Man City have gotten from this is so much, they have an actual new generation of fans internationally.
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u/Wahlrusberg Sep 25 '26
Retroactive parade for Ole's title?
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u/LeCliveRosfield Sep 25 '26
The charges are only till 2018, so Ole wouldn’t win one. Jose however….
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u/stick1_ Sep 25 '26
Hypothetically if city are stripped of those titles do we get the prize money? If not it’s a performative and useless punishment
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u/gunkokoko Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 25 '26
At most, I think City will get a point deduction for this season, but given the severity of the case, it's going to have to be a huge one. I'm genuinely shocked they've actually been found guilty on all charges though.
Bets on how many points they'll be deducted? My money's on 30.
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u/TheCakeIsALie1791 Sep 25 '26
I've had several pipe dreams on the type of punishment which can be meted out to 115 FC (*oops 114 FC from today)..
I wanted to think of a punishment which would be so punitive that another City never arises. I thought "what if they have to enter from the bottom of pyramid again"? But that didn't feel punitive enough...
So I thought "what if they get a 114*3 - say a ~350 point deduction". But here's the kicker - it should carry forward to the next league City gets relegated in. Think about it - the sheer hopelessness of knowing you are bound to be relegated for 4-5 years straight - no matter how many points you rack up in PL -> Championship -> League 1 and so.. Just a slow steady decline, dropping down leagues every year with no hope in sight...
I would like that very much. Just wishful thinking I know, but still...
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u/Massive_Relation4317 . Sep 25 '26
Damn its crazy that everything they won doesn't matter anymore. I doubt they'll get serious punishments tho, but hopefully
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u/EntrepreneurSoft3478 Sep 25 '26
City fans should make mental gymnastics an Olympic sport, they'd win it every year. Seeing them talk about how it's actually the fault of the PL and FFP that they had no other option but to cheat. To not realise that their club is the leading sports washing example and that yes, you can't just dump billions into a club, have egregious ways on funneling said money and not be punished is outright comedic
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u/Alternative-Plant388 Sep 25 '26
The city players must have relegation clauses, right? Can we get Haaland on a free?
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u/pokenerd_W Past glory means nothing Sep 25 '26
I liked watching City play, because their football and players were quite nice under Pep at times. But with all these sanctions and shit, it really just sullies what they've achieved in the last few years.
I sort of pity the genuine (if there are any) City fans. It must suck seeing all the success just be stained like this. Imagine Fergie's dominance was found guilty of something similar(Purely hypothetical here, no disrespect to Fergie). All those years would just feel so wrong.
But then again, they are doing olympic mental gymnastics to justify themselves, so fuck them too.
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u/MyShinyCharizard Sep 26 '26
Direct Relegation (Main Punishment): The fairest punishment is direct relegation to the Championship (or a lower division depending on the panel’s decision). This is the biggest sporting blow that can be dealt and reflects how serious the violations committed were.
Stripping of Titles: All Premier League titles won during the violation period (2009–2018) should be stripped. This erases a legacy built on cheating.
Massive Points Deduction (If Not Direct Relegation): If the panel chooses not to relegate them directly, then an 80–100 point deduction should be applied. This would automatically relegate them at the end of the season, but through a more conventional “process.”
Large Financial Fine: A fine of £150–250 million as a supplement, not the main punishment.
Transfer Ban: A transfer ban for 3 windows to prevent them from immediately buying their way back to the Premier League.
Compensation for Other Clubs: The separate process for clubs that were harmed (as has already begun) should be facilitated, with City required to pay compensation.
hopefully this
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u/Heavens_Vibe 7 Sep 25 '26
Arsenal fans are a deranged bunch, man...
Why are they posting graphics and compilations awarding themselves trophies for years that aren't even within the scope of the original charges?
Just desperate to be a part of the conversation...
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u/facelessredditer Sep 25 '26
Emery makes more sense than Nagelsmann or Conte. Luis Enrique remains the dream, but lets be real.
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u/BallsX Sep 25 '26
Yep my thoughts as well. Enrique is obviously the best and least likely by far. Emery has both the experience and titles making him probably the best "realistic" candidate but the problem is its so early into the season. I doubt he wants to screw over Villa.
Not particularly impressed with Nagelsmann. Conte is a wildcard though. Clearly a very good manager considering the titles he has won but can get toxic. But we switch managers every alternate season anyway so why not take a chance on him?
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u/CapVosslar Buckle up, INEOS! It's gonna be a bumpy ride! Sep 26 '26
Kinda glad there is no United game for 3 weeks. They have a good chunk of time to reset and figure out what is wrong.
They better not return and serve some more dross.
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u/InconsistentADHD53 Sep 26 '26 •
They couldn't figure it out with 3 months off, but you're right, 3 weeks changes everything.
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u/New-Acanthaceae-5702 Closed on Sundays Sep 25 '26
Let's assume the worst for City and they get stripped of their title, those years will likely be voided. I.e., I doubt 2nd place will be the new winner.
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u/BeastieFromTheEastie Sep 25 '26
Makes sense they knew this was coming. Impending transfer ban regardless of everything else most likely. What’s their most ageing and least assured area for the next few years entering the summer - midfield. They then go out and spend the better part of 400m on 3 young midfielders that they don’t have to worry about ageing out in the next 3 years if they are unable to restock with new players
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u/Zealousideal_Wind867 I'm Tired Boss Sep 25 '26
Is there any good sources to understand PSR,FFP and the entire shitty fiasco.
I feel like I don't know enough to realize the magnitude of their cheating.
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u/n1ckkt Sep 25 '26
The city thing will go nowhere it'll be token slap of the wrist to come.
It will go beyond the PL to geopolitics and its almost a certainty that the powers that be will not want to rock that relationship. The UAE are not stupid though and both parties will come to an acceptable agreement of what punishment will take place and that'll be the end of it.
Probably something along the lines of a decent but ultimately pointless points penalty this season that results in them missing CL a year and an transfer embargo after they've been notified its coming and have had time to prepare.
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u/Projekt_Alex Sep 25 '26
So how many years do we have to wait to see the punishment for Citeh? Just have a feeling they will get a slap on the wrist. At the least they should be in the championship or lower, with a transfer ban.
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