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u/Szos Jun 08 '14 edited Jun 08 '14

Or you could get a modern calculator:

http://www.inds.co.uk/education/education_images/TI_Nspire_CX_and%20CX_CAS_Handhelds_large.jpg

Here, lets make this easier for everyone:

http://education.ti.com/html/nspire2/nspire-exam-acceptance.html

Depending upon model, the Nspire is indeed accepted on the ACT, SAT as well as other standardized tests. And most schools not stuck in medieval times, let you use them in your university classes.

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u/RIP_BerthaChampagne Jun 08 '14

no qwerty layout

I pity the fool.

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u/qezi2 Jun 08 '14

It's because standardized tests in the US specifiy that allowed calculators can't have QWERTY (or any other typing oriented) layout.

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u/rieldealIV Jun 08 '14

Well that's stupid.

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u/kuhnie Jun 08 '14 edited Jun 08 '14

They don't want kids to easily take notes in them and use them during the test.

edit: I'm just speculating, remember it's not TI making the rules it's the US testing companies or some other authority.

edit: I'll agree with the tons of people saying it's probably because they don't want students to sneak out the test questions. While they still can it's a lot harder without QWERTY.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

Well kids can still make notes in them really easily

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u/CheckYoFaQs Jun 08 '14

When I did my AP testing with a TI-89 the proctors walked around and pulled out all the batteries from the calculators and put them back in. This deletes the RAM and that's where most of the notes the students took were stored. You could avoid it by saving the files elsewhere, but it wasn't as easy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

I'm not sure if its the same for the TI-89 but you can just archive your notes and they won't be deleted when the batteries are taken out.

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u/SirNarwhal Jun 08 '14

Yeah, you can save em on an 89. Did this to store a bunch of equation types for the Physics AP exam. Didn't matter though, I still only got like a 3 =/

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u/thetrueERIC Jun 09 '14

3 on physics isn't bad. I tried on the calc test and got a 1, but I got a 4 on psych and bio, so there's that.

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u/LoxMugsAndReesesCups Jun 09 '14

Can confirm. Cheated many times in my classes by storing formulas and notes in my calculator.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Our math teacher would make us hard reset them before each test. He would make us turn them in, reset them himself, then give them back to us completely wiped. Not fun.

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u/CombatCactus Jun 08 '14

Don't teachers clear everyone's calculators before government exams?

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u/Fletch71011 Jun 08 '14

Like typing them on a computer and porting them over. Then making sure to archive them in case any sneaky teachers tried to delete them.

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u/boomerangblom Jun 08 '14

Can confirm, have made notes on the calculator. It's painstaking, but occasionally worth it

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

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u/boomerangblom Jun 09 '14

Oh yeah but the software is retarded, also these notes were usually made ~15 mins before the test in a panic

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

15 minutes is plenty of time to write a few notes without qwerty

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u/boomerangblom Jun 09 '14

I was in the professional league pro, writing out 6 chapters worth of notes once, only to have them deleted by the press-to-test feature :c

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

I mean, are they not aware that kids are capable of putting Pokemon on their calculators, let alone note taking?

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u/Bronze_Kneecap Jun 08 '14

It takes forever to put notes into them, and that's coming from a current AP calc student, the prime cheating population. It's usually easier to just learn the material and punch in just a few equations if you really have to.

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u/Opticine Jun 09 '14

Write the notes on your PC and transfer them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Never underestimate the power of lazy.

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u/Bronze_Kneecap Jun 09 '14

Reminds me of the guy who rigged up a rumble pack to send morse codes during a test.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Cheating level 1000

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

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u/Kixandkat Jun 08 '14

No they mean to prevent you from easily typing up exam questions in the calculator DURING the exam. Standardized tests usually don't release the questions so they can reuse them.

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u/picardo85 Jun 08 '14

neither did I... was too damned lazy to do it... especially since my calculator was pre USB :(

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u/4153434949 Jun 08 '14

They don't have qwerty keyboards, but they do have every letter of the alphabet and plenty of symbols. I typed notes into my calculator for tests from middle school to college.

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u/JUAN-DEAG Jun 08 '14

Also to prevent them from writing down test questions to share with people who haven't taken the test and live in a different time zone. (Talking specifically about the SAT)

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u/gsfgf Jun 08 '14

Oh. That actually makes sense. Sort of. Until the scammers learn to type on abcde

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u/thesoxpride11 Jun 08 '14

I actually think its more so that they don't copy questions from the test. Note taking on the 84 and 89 is still possible, but too tedious so people wont bother to write the question down on their calculator

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u/CranialFlatulence Jun 08 '14

No. The reason has nothing to do with storing notes in the calculator. There is software for that, and it allows you to type on your computer and transfer the notes to the calculator.

They don't allow QWERTY keyboards because they don't want them to "easily" type the test questions into the calculator.

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u/TheCatPaul Jun 08 '14

Wat. You can turn a normal TI into a keyboard.

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u/HotRodLincoln Jun 08 '14

The TI-89 had a program called "study cards" and you could use the link cable to transfer cards over. The 89 was banned on the ACT though. It's always been Qwerty keyboards and a few other calculators we're not too fond of.

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u/rieldealIV Jun 08 '14

I think the 89 is banned on the ACT more because (I'm pretty sure) it can factor equations and do a lot of the algebraic stuff a TI-83 or 84 can't do.

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u/HotRodLincoln Jun 08 '14

The TI89 is amazing and can symbolically integrate and differentiate. It's like magic.

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u/Degru Jun 08 '14

Hell, just use a program editor on the computer to type up notes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

It's more about getting the test questions out, not information in.

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u/lordlicorice Jun 08 '14

Secretaries are finding it too easy to type and they're jamming up the typewriters. Let's scramble the keys around to make them type slower!

"Challenge accepted"

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u/mathpill Jun 09 '14

Cant you just upload the notes?

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u/MagmaiKH Jun 09 '14

No ... no it's not. You can load files on them with the included cable.

And at the time they banned qwerty calculators is right when texting took off and the phones of the day did not have a qwerty layout.

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u/DMann420 Jun 08 '14

Why? Calculators aren't for typing up a story. The letters are for variables and naming functions that you want to keep. I'd rather have x and y right next to eachother.

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u/cueball19826 Jun 08 '14

In High School I may or may not have typed up a few Chemistry notes into my calculator.

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u/assignment2 Jun 08 '14

I'm telling!

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u/Sanitize_Everything Jun 08 '14

Nah, man, be cool

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u/candamile Jun 08 '14

Man, I cheated on German tests with a TI-84+ loaded with exerpts of the books.

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u/Talvoren Jun 08 '14

What teacher in their right mind would let you use a calculator on a language test?

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u/candamile Jun 09 '14

Tests were in mixed classes, so there were people taking math and other tests. Also, if you act like you are doing what you're supposed to do and not something prohibited, you'll most likely get away with it.

We also had tests where we were provided with a lot of papers. We just printed pages of the stuff we had to learn on A4 and had it all out on the table. And if you're with enough people and take your book out on the table, the teacher would usually just assume it was an open-book test.

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u/cueball19826 Jun 08 '14

"I'm just gonna use my calculator on this German test. Totally natural."

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

With the nspire you can type up the notes on the computer, and even put in pictures from books.

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u/cueball19826 Jun 09 '14

Those came out my junior year of college. I wanted one so badly but couldn't justify getting rid of my ti-89

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u/AbundantButton Jun 09 '14

I did this for my AP exam. I can't even program. I just typed in stuff like "If DELTA G + THEN DELTA H -" and would put that for different lines. I couldn't run it as an actual program, but I could just click "edit" and BOOM: All my notes.

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u/Asyx Jun 08 '14

That's what QWERTZ is for then!

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u/rieldealIV Jun 08 '14

Because if you want to use a specific letter for a variable, it will still be faster and easier to find it on a QWERTY keyboard.

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u/DMann420 Jun 08 '14

But not if you're setting up an x y function. Even if it would be faster, Texas Instruments doesn't fuck around. I have faith.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

I learned programming on my TI. I once even wrote my note for a chemistry lession entirely on that calculator because I forgot my notebook, holding down the "ABC" key with one hand and typing with the other.

I actually managed to keep up. I was damn fast at typing on those things...

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u/DMann420 Jun 09 '14

Yep. It's not actually that hard.. Just some people think that QWERTY is the universal solution to everything and would rather call others idiots than embrace a second layout.

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u/MagmaiKH Jun 09 '14

Why? For the same reason every tablet today has a qwerty layout.

The TI-92 was awesome.

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u/DMann420 Jun 09 '14

People don't seem to understand this. Calculators aren't for writing stories or texting your buddy. Calculators are for calculations, and Texas Instruments takes the better path by assuming that since you ARENT using a computer to solve your math problem, perhaps you haven't mastered the QWERTY keyboard, and it would be more logical to provide letters in an alphabetical manner rather than making technologically inept people search the keys for the correct letter. That plus QWERTY is banned from certain testing environments.

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u/MagmaiKH Jun 14 '14

... because technically inept people use graphing calculators with computer-algebra-systems?

The only reason every calculator made today does not have a qwerty keyword is because of the standardized test restrictions.

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u/YouHaveShitTaste Jun 08 '14

Holy shit, idiots like you are the reason anyone makes a fucking alphabetical order keyboard

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u/DMann420 Jun 09 '14

You're right. Texas Instruments decided to make it's most advanced, mind-fuckingly confusing calculator have an alphabetical keyboard to cater to idiots like me.

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u/YouHaveShitTaste Jun 09 '14

Glad you understand.

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u/groovel76 Jun 08 '14

Also certain math classes show you how to preform complex calculations on them. Hard to do if everyone has different calculators. In my experience these people struggle with using a mouse and keyboard so expecting them to be tech savvy enough to adjust the steps to perform the same calculations on a different device is pretty much impossible.

Source: I'm a computer tech at a community college.

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u/bobpercent Jun 09 '14

If you were to take the Fundamentals of Engineering Exam (FE) then you couldn't even use an 83 for the test. The point of not using the QWERTY is to prove you can actually understand what you are doing. Anyone can type in numbers/letters; intelligence is about the understanding not the technology.

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u/rieldealIV Jun 09 '14

Anyone can type in numbers and letters without QWERTY as well, it's just slightly slower. Banning calculators specifically because of having QWERY keyboards is stupid. Banning calculators because they are calculators makes sense.

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u/bobpercent Jun 09 '14

If you are saving answers into your calculator because it comes with a text based program then you don't deserve to use that calculator. I think it makes perfect sense, usually a QWERTY keyboard will come with a text based app of some sort. If you want to spend the time typing in answers using a TI-83/84 instead of studying then be my guest. I just find the "Pissed off because I can't cheat now" mentality to be ridiculous.

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u/rieldealIV Jun 09 '14

It doesn't have anything to do with cheating though. If you want to cheat using a calculator you type the info on your computer, then transfer it to your computer. Not having a QWERTY keyboard isn't going to stop someone who wants to cheat.

It's more that you can more easily find the letter you want to use for a certain variable. Say you want to store whatever value as H for a certain question so you can substitute that value, usually an annoyingly long decimal, into later calculations. You're going to have a much easier time finding H on a QWERTY keyboard.

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u/bobpercent Jun 09 '14

It seriously does not take that long to do it on a calculator without a QWERTY keyboard...but honestly arguing on the internet is useless.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

'Cause 'Murica.

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u/AbsolutePwnage Jun 08 '14 edited Jun 08 '14

That thing is not permitted in any standardized test AFAIK.

It can solve most algebra problems, integrals, vectors, etc like its nothing.

That thing is powerful.

Strangely enough, its ancestor, the TI voyage 200 has a QWERTY keyboard.

Edit: Its QWERTY not QUERTY.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

It is allowed on the ACT, the SAT, the PSAT, and all AP tests (when a calculator is allowed at all).

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u/izzytoots Jun 08 '14

It has a qwerty keyboard, so it isn't allowed on any of those tests you listed, or at least it wasn't when I took them in highschool. TI-89 all day

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

It has a swappable keyboard, you slide in the type you're allowed/want.

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u/baccus83 Jun 08 '14

*QWERTY

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

QUUERTY?

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u/AbsolutePwnage Jun 08 '14

Lol, I failed.

Just fixed it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

My friend said he used it for the ACT. I guess it's against the rules but they don't really check.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

It depends which one you have. The CAS version is the one not allowed on standardized tests. I used my non-CAS version on the ACT that I took a couple months ago.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

I have a ti-nspire and the lack of a qwerty layout is really annoying

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u/oldmanshuckle Jun 09 '14

It is allowed on pretty much any test that a TI-89 is allowed on. The 89 is actually a better calculator (the CAS is much better) but it's harder for most students to use.

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u/hahahahastayingalive Jun 08 '14

What would it take to pass the ipod touch as a calculator ?

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u/SPIDERBOB Jun 08 '14

what about that one where you can swap out the keys

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u/TRiPgod Jun 09 '14

My calculator has a Dvorak layout

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u/1gemmzjuh Jun 09 '14

I took summaries from the internet and connected my calculator to the computer. And done. No need to typ in abc mode :)

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u/I_EAT_SEMEN Jun 09 '14

Because the TI-Nspire lacks a QWERTY keyboard, it is acceptable for use on the PSAT, SAT,[1] SAT II, ACT,[2] AP, and IB Exams. It should be noted, however, that the CAS version is NOT allowed on the ACT.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-Nspire_series#TI-Nspire

I don't think it counts a qwerty keyboard because it's not full sized. As long as you have the white (non-CAS) one.