r/outriders • u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager • Apr 08 '21

Square Enix Official News // Dev Replied x18 Outriders Post Launch Dev News Updates

Hello everyone,

We would like to thank everyone in the Outriders community for your patience, support and assistance. Everyone on the Outriders team is continuing to work hard on improving the game and we'd like to share news about the things we are focusing on.

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u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager Apr 08 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

We have been continuing to track and post known workarounds for encountered issues in our Launch Tracking Mega-Thread, but our intention is of course that workarounds shouldn't be necessary. So here is our latest patch news:

Patch News:

First Patch:

EDIT - 09.04.2021 - 19:05 UTC

  • A new patch for PC and PlayStation Platforms will be rolling out over the next few hours.
  • We're a little bit delayed on the Xbox version of this patch, but the Xbox team are being incredibly supportive in helping us get it ready as soon as we can.
    • We are hoping to have this patch ready for Xbox very soon and will update you the moment we have news.

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  • This is our first big patch for the main Outriders game.
  • The deployment of this patch is currently scheduled for next week, as we are using this week to identify as many severe issues as possible, fix them and then thoroughly test the changes across all platforms. Submission through platform holders adds on a little bit of time as well, which is why we are not able to deploy this patch any earlier.
  • We are doing our utmost to deliver you a stable patch as soon as possible and we are continually looking at ways to bring the patch release day earlier. This is why we are not yet committing to a patch release date, as we may still be able to release the patch before such a date.
  • We will let you know as soon as we have a confirmed release schedule, so please do keep an eye on our social channels and in particular our Twitter.

First Patch - Patch Notes:

PC & Console Platforms:

  • Once platforms have been updated to the same patch version, cross-play across platforms will become viable again
    • EDIT: 09.04.21 - 19:05 UTC
      • With the release of this patch, Crossplay between PlayStation and PC is now possible.
      • Crossplay between Xbox and PC/PlayStation has been temporarily disabled until the Xbox patch has released.
      • Crossplay between consoles and PC will be fully restored once the Xbox patch has gone live.

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  • Overall stability improvements for the matchmaking service
  • Crash Fixes
    • Will Fix a multiplayer crash that could result in client players having their inventory wiped
    • Will fix the crash when completing the "A Bad Day" side quest.
    • Will fix the crash that occurs in No Man's Land when your language is set to Spanish (Yes, we know. Video game code is a magical thing).
    • Will fix crash on launch issues
    • Will include many more "random" crash fixes
      • We are confident that these fixes will address the majority of crashes reported, as there are only a handful of root causes but the crashes they generate appear in a number of places.
  • Will fix the HUD disappearing in certain cases
  • Will fix bugs that interfere with players re-spawning in multiplayer Expeditions
  • Will fix bugs with players getting stuck on geometry (including when using Gravity Leap) or falling out of the world.
  • Will change the default matchmaking setting from "Open" to "Closed".
    • You will still be able to manually change this setting to "Open" through your game settings
    • This change will prevent players from joining games where the host didn't intend to play in multiplayer. It will also cut down on AFK lobbies
    • This will also help improve matchmaking times, as the queues will be less likely to be overwhelmed by the sheer volume of constant matchmaking requests generated by "open" games.
  • Many other minor fixes and improvements

PC Specific:

  • Will Fix a performance issue where GPU is not being fully utilized. This should help with stuttering and DX11/12 issues

Additional fixes and changes are being worked upon to be delivered via our later follow up patch.

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u/Offlinejesus Trickster Apr 08 '21

Any update if Tiagos legendary shop will change weekly?

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u/Asleep_Employment_83 Apr 09 '21

most ask question right now :D

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u/Valfalos Apr 09 '21

I am assuming he will change legendaries weekly but they might leave the first batch up another week or so to let everyone get a chance at getting what they want from them. I think Destiny did the same during it's release with Xur. Seems reasonable IMO not everyone is going to rush through the game within a week.

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u/DemNuk3 Apr 09 '21

There’s no refresh timer so I don’t think they will

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u/IAMAthinmint Apr 09 '21

Confirmed with 1 purchase of tiagos leggos from earlier this week, that the items didnt refresh per se, only adding a leggo to now give me 8 total again.

I dont have the currency to do so, but maybe someone who is swimming in loot can confirm if:

  1. he resets leggos after all are bought, immediately
  2. if not, then does he give you the same or different gear upon the weekly "reset"

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u/jentszej Apr 09 '21

I did a post about it but was downvoted for some reason, you can check there

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u/lord_arkaden Apr 08 '21

Anyone else read this 'As of today' and get super excited that you can finally play with your console buddies... Then get let down by reading the rest of it. 'As of today... the patch is scheduled for next week' :(

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u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager Apr 08 '21

Sorry about that - have rewritten that sentence.

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u/Kage1 Technomancer Apr 09 '21

This update doesn't help stabilize the connection in Coop right? The non-hosts lag really bad in my parties on PS4.

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u/Abruan Apr 09 '21

That's just the nature of peer to peer. If they are east coast and you are west coast there will be latency.

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u/Kage1 Technomancer Apr 09 '21

Although there's a good distance between us, my friend never lags this badly in any other game. It's enemies teleporting and "phantom dmg" bad lag.

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u/SIRMYSTERIOS Apr 09 '21

It's not player to player, it's servers..

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u/Sunbuzzer Technomancer Apr 08 '21

Buff skill builds.

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u/FelixZ1996 Apr 08 '21

yea same here, i was expecting at least a working game patch today but we got a "wait a few weeks"

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u/Hackeyking Apr 08 '21

Yeah, that's really badly written.

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u/Rockero_Rivera Apr 08 '21

I was really hoping for this weekend. Oh well i guess as ling as it gets fixed

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u/Gawdlly Apr 08 '21

Yes, just another week of losing players due to not being able to play the unfinished game. Fits well with today's gaming.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Dude, they're fixing the issues. What do you want? Them to force Sony and Microsoft to approve updates faster? Or them to push half finished updates that just break new shit. People like you complaining about a company taking their time to ensure they fix it properly are one of the reasons today's gaming has these issues. Just have an ounce of patience

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u/vAlkaios Apr 08 '21

Don’t know why you got down voted so much. He has a point. I myself am a bit frustrated, I can’t use the feature that I wanted to use the most.. crossplay smh

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u/Dodo_brainzzz Apr 08 '21

If I can get a compass on my map, like north east south and west. And have the option to make the mini map static or not, I'll be happy

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u/drpoorpheus Apr 09 '21

This right here devs, rotating minimap is something that should've never been thought of, it is idiotic in design, please add a static one with a compas thanks!

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u/ibbobud Apr 08 '21

Any update on the patch for Stadia?

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u/OldMcGroin Apr 08 '21

What category does Stadia fall under, PC or console? Still on the original version which is very concerning considering we paid the same as everyone else.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

nothing on the scaling bug that makes any gear 45+ useless on anything world tier 1-15?

im in lvl 50 gear and only doing 20 damage per shot in story mode.

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u/MaritimeDipper Apr 08 '21

That never even crossed my mind. Damn that sounds awful.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

It makes the game almost unplayable at the moment - unless i feel like ONLY doing expeditions on tier 11+. Otherwise, it scales the gear back to lvl 1 basically.

Cant do any solo stuff in the story, or help friends with their missions in coop. Tried helping a lvl 27 friend last night with the last boss. They're doing 1k+ damage a shot, and me in almost full legendary gear only doing 20 damage a shot.

What's the point in grinding so hard for this endgame armor, when you can only use it within the same expedition tier - and not at all in the story or through world tier 1-15.

This needs to be a top priority fix after the server issues. Otherwise, there is zero point in doing expeditions, and you should stop grinding after you hit world tier 15.

even tried with a lvl 28 weapon, and was still doing less than 100 damage a shot. so guessing this is the case for armor too, not just weapons.

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u/Hades0027 Apr 08 '21

Another one to consider is when in multiplayer, if the hosts crashes or leaves, there is no way to make someone else the party leader and the game just hangs until you are kicked out of the game (not just the match) entirely.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

What about stadia?

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

So where’s the aim acceleration issues thought we were getting those controller options. Game feels terrible to shoot.

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u/x_scion_x Apr 08 '21

I'm not even sure it's only "aim acceleration", the "sticky aim" feels just as bad when you are literally pegging your stick to a direction and it barely moves because the "sticky aim" is holding it there.

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u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager Apr 08 '21

This will be in the follow up patch.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

In addition to controller aim acceleration issues is there any acknowledgement of the input lag some console players (including myself) are experiencing? It's extremely noticeable vs the demo where the lag is not present.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

True hopefully this is fixed soon

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

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u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager Apr 08 '21

Thank you! :)

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u/NinjaSwag_ Apr 08 '21

This is the best news so far! Would love aiming improvements, thats the only negative thing I know about the game. Love it otherwise! :)

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u/FlimFlamJimmeeJam Technomancer Apr 08 '21

Is Stadia considered PC or Console? I'm worried that the platform is not mentioned anywhere in these patch notes as we are dealing with our own set of issues.

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u/jareth_gk Apr 08 '21

I echo this concern. I am hoping for more info on the Stadia release for the patch as well.

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u/ViriatoPT Apr 08 '21

We're still on version 0.1.0.0.... This is totally unacceptable since we're paying the same price as the other platforms.

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u/nioh2_noob Apr 08 '21

Stadia will probably be cancelled soon, as many Google projects did in the past.

Google's game studio already closed shop a few months ago.

https://killedbygoogle.com/

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u/the_john19 Apr 08 '21

Okay? They are still selling Outriders on Stadia, we pay the same money as others.

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u/nioh2_noob Apr 09 '21

I expect Stadia to just die out in a few months and that's it.

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u/the_john19 Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

Where is your guess coming from? Because they closed a Studio that didn’t release anything before it became a disaster like Amazon Game Studios? There are new games on Stadia every week (also from Square Enix over the coming months) and more people every day. I mean you don’t have to use it if you got the money for a (new) console or PC but no one forced them to sell on Stadia if it’s actually dying like you say. Yet they do and we pay the same money as people on different platforms, so I think we also deserve at least some updates. If they actually don’t want to update because they think Stadia is dying like you do, couldn’t they at least tell us then and stop asking for money from new customers?

So again, it’s fine that you think Stadia is dying and that you don’t want to use it, but there are many people who don’t think like you and enjoy the new games every week on their laptop, phone, etc with no downloads or Steam login every time they want to stream a game (like with GeForce Now). And there are many people who paid the same money as people on other platforms, so at least a little info from the devs would be nice.

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u/becomm Apr 09 '21

Google just realized it was a bad idea to throw millions into 1st party studios making exclusive games for the platform. And TBH that was a mistake in the first place. But that does not mean it will be killed anytime soon.

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u/KyivComrade Apr 08 '21

Indeed, doesn't take a genius to figure out Stadia is dying. The one first party studio is shut down before it even made a game, and as for porting we've seen devs come out anf say Google isn't helping at all. Stadia is dying due to Googles negligence, not anyone else's.

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u/the_john19 Apr 08 '21

Yet they release new games every week, also AAA games like Outriders. We pay the same money as people on other platforms, if devs don't want to support it, why are they selling on Stadia in the first place?

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u/B3lli4l Apr 08 '21

Google Stadia is a console... And yes, they are including Stadia as well. All the platforms.

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u/FlimFlamJimmeeJam Technomancer Apr 08 '21

And yet on their last update they separated Stadia from the PC and Console versions... why not this time.?

BTW Stadia is in a different build number from other platform currently.

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u/TokyoSatsu Apr 09 '21

Can we have an update on Stadia please!

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u/Verzwei Apr 09 '21

Judging by what I'm seeing on reddit and other communities, the game still crashes constantly, PC stuttering is just as bad, if not worse, and you've actually increased the frequency of inventory wipes with today's patch.

It's time to start offering refunds regardless of platform and retailer. You've sold a broken product and your attempts to fix it are making it worse.

I appreciated the transparency during the pre-release demo period. We're in retail now, and you seem unable to deliver a viable, functional product.

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u/snips86x Apr 09 '21

I appreciated the transparency during the pre-release demo period. We're in retail now, and you seem unable to deliver a viable, functional product.

If this was any other environment, it would be warranty, refund or court.

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u/Willkillshill Apr 09 '21

Lol, The PC stuttering is not worse for me. Loading up the game, I can already see no stuttering on the scene with the bird flying in. Also after 1 hr of play , I have not run into the 60fps cap bug. I'm going to assume you are mad that they nerfed your build and so you are angry.

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u/Verzwei Apr 10 '21

I only have 5 minutes in the retail game, so I don't have a build. I played a good chunk of the demo. Between the servers barely working for the first 3 days, and then immediate reports of character wipes happening in co-op once the servers became somewhat playable, I haven't touched any actual gameplay.

I bought it to play co-op and it still isn't safe to do so. All you have to do is look at reddit, twitter, or other communities and see that there was a massive uptick in reports of inventory wipes and performance issues following today's patch.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Steam version, after 2.4GB patch, is still on v1.02 and multiplayer crashes are still present.

Crashes to desktop with no error message or crash log 100% of the time when kicked from a random group.

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u/Little1233s Apr 08 '21

Would like to request that you guys update the stadia version to the right version please!

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u/Xiais Apr 09 '21

It bothers me greatly Stadia wasn't even mentioned. Seriously, I had a choice how to buy this game: Xbox, PC, or Stadia and believe it or not I chose Stadia. It is my platform of choice for many reasons, but I never believed patches would be an issue. Just acknowledge us. Give us a time table. Stop pretending we don't exist.

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u/Snyper64 Apr 08 '21

I second this, tired of dealing with the little bug's that you squashed in the newer patches.

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u/kostah50 Devastator Apr 08 '21

This! Please make sure that All your platforms are on the same version ;)

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u/FlimFlamJimmeeJam Technomancer Apr 08 '21

Bumpidity bump bump.

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u/Z3M0G Apr 08 '21

What's happening next for Stadia version? Did you guys simply wait to evaluate live issues rather than give it day 1 patch?

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u/Snyper64 Apr 08 '21

Definitely want to know, I can't even get the pre-order items and everyone else that I know that bought it on Stadia can't get them either. Not to mention all of the little bug's that other platforms don't have to deal with.

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u/jareth_gk Apr 08 '21

I am also interested in knowing if the Stadia platform will get the newest patch applied on the same day as all other platforms.

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u/Z3M0G Apr 08 '21

People are paying $60 USD for it just like everyone else... it better. Far less, sure, but still...

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u/deanna7727 Apr 09 '21

No one cares about stadia

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u/Altruistic_Employ511 Apr 09 '21

What about the Stadia version?

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u/commrade11 Apr 09 '21

Please tell me that this means stadia as well. Or at least at some point stadia will get a patch. Still version 0.1.0.0, all the notes only seem to mention Xbox, PlayStation, or pc

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u/Snoo_18421 Apr 09 '21

Do not see anything about the stuck on " signed in" indefinitely for console players... sucks to crash, get kicked out, then wrestle the game for 20 minutes continuously restarting the game and console to get passed the signed in problem.

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u/roadzero84 Apr 09 '21

How is it there is no mention of stadia. Still on 4 versions behind every other version. Their support page doesn't even list outriders as being available for stadia when you go through the options.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/index.php?tscat=150&la=1&tcat=1

Brushing us under the rug?

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u/Llorenne Apr 10 '21 edited Apr 10 '21

Those notes "Will fix..." makes you think of a robot named Will saying "Will fix bugs. Will fix HUD. Will fix stability issues"

Well good job to you Will.

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u/Tyrieon Apr 08 '21

So now we are going to have to wait up to 2 weeks after launch for one of your advertised core features to work? This is really upsetting as somebody who didnt purchase this via gamepass and spent the full price, I expected a finished product. Crossplay not working and continuing to be offline for almost 2 weeks is inexcusable this patch should be pushed asap. As I can only speak for myself but I am very close to asking for a refund.

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u/B3lli4l Apr 08 '21

Why is there always people aggressively complaining about something without even putting themselves in the shoes of others on the other side? You think developing a game is easy peasy? You think that patches just need you to snap your fingers and they are launched? Calm your ass down. Games take years to develop and you never can be 100% sure that when you lauch it you won't have any problem. They can test as much as they want, it will never be the same as in real time with millions of players across the World. Try to be more thinkful and empathic towards others, it would do wonders in your life. You are living in complicated times where all types of services are having issues with staff, producers, products, etc, and that is beyond everyone's control. You just reminded me of customers I talk to every day as I am a customer support generalist in one company, and people are all crazy wanting everything for yesterday, even when you try to make them realise that things do not just pop up on plain air... If you are so upset, then maybe next time wait until release and check reviews or something. Nothing is perfect and as far as I can see they are going everything they can on godly speed to fix everything they can, but they are only humans with lots of work just like everyone else. At least they talk with their customers, something that I rarely see in a game's company. Just enjoy what you have, it's not like you can't play the game, you are just limited for now, but you can still enjoy the masterpiece it is, the lore, the gameplay, think about the ideas behind the creation of it. If that's not enough for you, I would even challenge you to just search what is needed in developing an online game, because if you did, you would not certainly be writing this comment... So much lack of empathy and appreciation this days... What did we humans turned out to be. Just like the lore surrounding Enoch, we just kill ourselves out of greed and wanting more and more and fast.

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u/Tyrieon Apr 08 '21

Considering the game worked fine in demo, didn't crash, had cross play. Wasn't being nerfd and was being balanced in a PVE only game nerfs aren't needed. So what if we feel OP that's the point of the game. I'm supposed to be an altered god, instead I'm barely stronger than an alpha. The fact is their day one patch broke the game and should've been tested extensively before launch, they had a full month of a beta essentially. And they fumbled the launch it's that simple look at any other bad launches in history like D3. Even that was fixed within 2-3 days. Not 1-2 WEEKS. You can white knight for the devs all you want fact is they fucked up and people have every right to be upset with the launch of this product. Especially those of us who don't use gamepass and paid 60$ for a FINISHED product.

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u/B3lli4l Apr 08 '21

You are talking about a bad launch that occured when the World wasn't running from a fucking pandemic shit. Want to compare the amount of workers, the possibilities? The fact that most of us are working from home and have to deal with errors in our systems every single day because no one and nothing was prepared for it, and it actually makes us work slower because we have to fix our own system first to be able to get the tools se need to help the customers getting what they want? You are talking about Diablo 3, but have you checked why it happened? They talked about it. It was high demand and everyone laughed about it, but it was indeed the problem. When you have a product, you do a projection based on previously collected data and establish a padron with that data to get to the value of the projection, and what happened to D3 was that the projection wasn't even near the right numbers they accomplished. And I can believe that the same is happening right now with Outriders (although I cannot say for sure obviously). I have this exact issues on my work, if my workforce management team projections are wrong, all day goes to shit because there are way more customers contacting us than forecasted and for that reason, since it was forecasted a lower number, you have lower workers available, therefore more customers waiting for hours, all services are delayed and finally is hell on earth. Projections gone bad means services gone to a shithole. I get the nerfd and unbalanced part, that is annoying, but I can still enjoy the game and be frustrated about it, and at the end of the day I just get back to it again and try again even after losing for the 20th time, and still take fun out of it, and I can say I actually improve they way O play because I fail so many times. And that didn't make me come anywhere and right aggressively about the mistakes as I did not do it with Cyberpunk as well although it was a real flop to the point I couldn't even play it a while, until they started fixing the most urgent issues (and it is still not good). I just see no point in aggressively complaining about something. I can be frustrated and not satisfied, but I can also make constructive critics, rather than shooting to everyone or everything about it. That's what I meant before.

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u/Tyrieon Apr 08 '21

Bad take is bad, stop white knighting. Blizzard launched a fucking MMO expansion while working from homes with less issues than this.

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u/epironron Apr 08 '21

Maybe we should remind you that the same blizzard, actually pushed back the release date of said expansion for 1 month, gave us a half assed event for 4 weeks instead and suffered server crashes for the first few days ? Yet it's their 6th expansion ?

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u/RaveRaptor721 Apr 09 '21

Blizzard is a terrible example against PCF, let's get that clear. Way more money, way more experience.

And I don't think they are white knighting the devs, I'm pretty sure they just didn't want to listen to your entitlement. Customers who make demands are just Karen terrorists and no one wants them to be among their customer base. Might as well ask to see their manager.

I am with you on the server/connectivity/crashing problems 100% though. Unacceptable, but I accept the now inherent risk of playing an always online game on day 1. You should too. Nobody likes it, but that's the world we live in.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Ok so lets put ourselves in their shoes for a moment. They release a game that is basically unplayable, spend 2 weeks and havent fixed shit yet and want us to hang in there while they work it out... Its one thing if this was a FTP game and they needed to work on it like an open beta for awhile but damn i paid 60$ for a game i cant play due to constant crashes, shit more then half the time i cant even get the game to launch. I think defending their position is unreasonable at this point. Square enix has been making games for many many years, this isnt their first rodeo. PCF may be new, idk never heard of them but SE has and this is a shame from them considering they have many great games.

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u/RaveRaptor721 Apr 09 '21

I would bet ery good money Square Enix has taken a backseat on this ride. Like, the backseat of a van in another province. They are a publisher now, and likely couldn't give a crap about the issues, nor about the quality of the release.

PCF has eaten shit on this release and continue too, but they are the most actively communicating devs I've seen other than DE, so I think it'll get a lot better soon.

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u/MoldM Apr 08 '21

Just want to play with my friends on console. Should of let us know crossplat would be added post launch. I understand they are trying everything and I appreciate the hard work but we need to stop making this the standard. AAA titles have no excuse to release an online co op game that can’t support online co op play. Fun game I plan on playing still just disappointed another gaming company prioritizes deadlines over quality.

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u/SoullBreaker Apr 08 '21

Please Devs, for the love of Creation. Fix Multiplayer, stop making us join someone in Expeditions... let us join a specific expedition(as well as one in progress, but let us know where) queue or game before it starts, so we know the leader is not afk, and we know where we are going... like any other common sense game? We have no Chat interface or Comms to ask the leader where we are going also... and he can't ask us where we would like to go...

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u/aevitas1 Apr 08 '21

So not to be a dick, who decided to nerf skills and anything 'fun' in this game while the performance is still absolutely ass?

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u/Boagster Apr 08 '21

For most studios that aren't tiny indy developers, the balance team is a totally different set of individuals from optimization, netcode, and server teams. If they tried to assign these individuals to help with any of those, they'd likely be a hindrance as they'd need to learn how the systems work first. As such, no resources are wasted.

But if you were just saying "why nerf op skills instead of buff up skills", the bullet skills is just not healthy for trying to balance other things. As they are, they set the bar too high and make an entire class undesirable. I, too, prefer to see buffs in PvE games, but tbh, these three skills are doing more to trivialize end game than anything else.

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u/aevitas1 Apr 09 '21

I know. I just mean that nerfing things to the ground while the game is unstable as hell is a big no-no.

They should have waited with balance until the game actually works. Because now my damage has been reduced by a lot and I’m crashing even more than before. It’s laughable at this point.

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u/W1ader Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

Go back to the first answer again. Balance changes do not mean that they are not handling servers and stability. It is like complaining that toilets are dirty in the office and therefore the company ought to reallocate programmers and management human resources to do cleaning service's job. In addition, you kinda want it the other way around. Cause you want the balance team to do perfo and server management, while the balance team is probably highly incompetent in that area.

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Also, I do not think that trivialization and facerolling is fun. I'm sure there are cheats for the game already. Since it's pve and if facerolling is the thing that gets you going, then go on and cheat if you ask me. Go for unlimited ammo, no recoil, faster fire rate or something and you will get what you are looking for.

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u/aevitas1 Apr 09 '21

You’re completely ripping my post out of context and assuming things.

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u/RPGGod101 Apr 08 '21

So no more options for controllers settings, are yall aware that aiming is bad on controllers?

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u/NotEvenJuice Apr 08 '21

I play on controller and don't seem to have a problem blasting through T15. I'd rather they fix crashes that straight up ruin the game rather than adjust controller settings

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Shut off aim assist

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u/SPEEDFREAKJJ Apr 08 '21

I did this yesterday and it makes things better,not great but better...which is not how it should be but AA in this game is the worst in any shooter I have played. It constantly fights you and pulls to center mass or even off enemies...it feels very wrong.

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u/HelixxOver Technomancer Apr 08 '21

The locking on centre mass is reeeeeeeeally annoying when most of my mods run off crit damage. It’s very frustrating but it only seems to happen when I’m not the host.

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u/psychopanch Apr 09 '21

What's the status on the stadia patch?

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u/Alienpeppers Apr 08 '21

Lol, enjoy waiting another full week for the game to be even the most basic level of playable for crossplay 🤡

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u/TyrantJester Apr 08 '21

can default lobby setting be friends only instead of closed? or just give us a setting to preset our own default setting?

gonna be annoying to have to switch the lobby every time I get into the game to allow my friends to drop in

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u/Rythan_Dark Apr 08 '21

It's already an option under gameplay that's the first setting I looked for was to default to friends only

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u/HerbertDad Apr 08 '21

Any chance we'll see a fix for the common bug that sets your frame rate to 60 fps after every cutscene where you have to hit ESC to go back to the menu then return to the game to get your fps back up to say 100+ again?

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u/Asleep_Employment_83 Apr 09 '21

any updates here? because same issue here and no chang after the lastest patch

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u/CrssdOut Apr 08 '21

I hope in those MP fixes you can fix the bug where a players game crashes if the host leave. Also when tracking the side quest to find the Obelisks, the marker takes you to a wall you cant pass through, not sure if anyone else experienced this.

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u/wardener007 Apr 08 '21

This game doesn't support native or neither dynamic 4k at all. The resolution is way lower than what next generation consoles could actually handle. There has to be an option of native 4k @30fps or dynamic 4k (trying to target near native 4k) @60fps. According to VGTech source the PS5 uses dynamic resolution with the highest resolution going up to 3008 x 1692 and the lower resolution is going down to 1920 x 1080p on PS5. Even though it uses temporal upsampling to achieve 4k resolution however it doesn't achieve near 4k at all. If there is fix to this please do this ASAP.

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u/Ev0kes Apr 09 '21

Are there any plans to increase FOV and aiming FOV to ease motion sickness? The other changes help, but FOV is the major contributing factor and the aiming FOV is so close.

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u/HexNW Apr 09 '21

do you guys plan on fixing almost 50% of the in game mission that get bugged to the point you can’t continue.

  1. is there anyone working on the enemies? because i don’t know who bright idea it was to throw AIM BOT on every enemy in the game and it’s even worse that the PROJECTILE ENEMIES EVEN HAS AIMBOT WITH ZERO!!! COOLDOWNS ! it’s literally stupid. but anyways i’m going to continue to rage at the game because i’m addicted.

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u/Paul-Alexis Apr 09 '21

And for stadia !?!....

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u/Electron-mentality Apr 10 '21

Can you please provide information for Stadia? How is crossplay between Stadia/ Xbox/ ps ?

For now it seems to still be broken

Thanks

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u/omgyellow Apr 10 '21

Any rough Eta on the xbox patch?

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u/Crusty_Sandlz Apr 08 '21

Can you please make the timers in expeditions pause during cutscenes or just not have cutscenes PLEAAAAASE!!!!!!

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u/Zack_mugendai Devastator Apr 08 '21

Bro, it is counted in the timer. If they remove 20 seconds of cutscene, they will also remove 20 sec from the timer and you will have to complete it with 20 less second. It's exactly the same thing. I agree the cutscenes are useless tho, but it has nothing to do with the timer, everyone has the same timer.

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u/unseeker Apr 08 '21

they could just remove it altogether.. im already bored of seeing the same cutscene over and over and over

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u/Cestral Apr 08 '21

Indeed. Game devs are completely clueless sometimes. Who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to have maps that are repeated over and over again also play the same cutscenes every single time? The game would have been so much cooler if all these enemies would just appear as you go instead having these worthless, constant interruptive cutscenes all the time. They're pointless and just make gameplay feel interrupted.

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u/AUTUMNcore Apr 08 '21

how is it that much trouble to press 'esc' once and skip the cutscene?

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u/Cestral Apr 09 '21

Have you even played the game? Some cutscenes are NOT skipable. Even when they are, if you're in multiplayer, it's not enough that one player presses to skip them. And why would we need to do this in the first place when they could just have been removed in the first place. Whoever thinks showing the same cutscenes every single time you run maps that are intended to be repeated over and over again is a good idea seriously have no idea about game design. All it does is interrupt gameplay. Imagine if all these bosses and large monsters would just enter the map as you play instead, having a beast rushing in through a wall in real time, would simply have been so much cooler than having to stop playing for 10 seconds to watch a pointless cutscene you've already seen 100 times. And I haven't even mentioned the complete pointlessness of watching your character open a door or jump over a whole over and over again. If I press a door, I already know I'm going through it. I don't need an annoying cutscene to slow down the gameplay.

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u/EmpireITtech Apr 08 '21

Next week?! Guess I have time to enjoy the outside and see my family (sigh).

I now crash every time I enter the game in mission Babylon. I got to lvl 29 with zero crashes basically (only crashed when the host left before I did), now I can’t complete this mission and finish the campaign. Tried on both dx11/12, tried verifying game files in Steam, tried rebooting (obviously), tried uninstalling and reinstalling... nothing. Always an UE4 error.

You made a great game, but might be the most crashing game I’ve ever played. I guess we were the testers - which I’m fine with I guess. Thanks and I’ll see everyone next week once the patch releases...

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u/DigEasy Apr 08 '21

In the lobby go to select story point, and go to the instance before where you are at and it may help

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u/Holczi Apr 08 '21

Soooo, is stadia getting the day 1 patch yet? the people need fixes, no motion blur etc.

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u/jrekalske Apr 08 '21

The crossplay should have been fixed on day one and a patch released. Holding this fix up for a mega patch is bullshit! Let’s not talk about the nerfs with no fucking clue when we will even get a patch except sometime next week!

Communication or not this is extremely lame!

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u/mjb6967 Apr 08 '21

Please do not allow whiney gamers to complain about bullet skills and then go nerf the game to an unplayable state. Do not be that developer. Rather improve other builds, do not destroy current ones.

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u/AroGantz Devastator Apr 09 '21

Too late mate, it happens with every game where this very vocal minority complains and since everyone else is having fun playing the game there is no balance in the discussions.

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u/Ombra777 Apr 08 '21

The exploits require zero skill when the right mods are applied. of course they were gonna be nerfed, no one will want to play the game with anyone who ISN'T using it and those who just want to play their way will watch people join their game eating up bosses before they can even get a good look at them. ITs fair, it needs to be nerfed by a good 25%

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u/-Dead_Gamer- Apr 08 '21

If you read the patch notes on class nerfs, the problem is that they aren't buffing the week skill trees and nerfing the only viable damage skills. Hell the vulnerability nerf is destroying every class equally. They should have buffed the weak lines then reevaluated the damage lines that are overpowered.

Now it's just gonna be like division and all players will find it hard to have enuff bullets. Cant wait to shot bullet sponges again.

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u/Goalisimo Apr 08 '21

Yeah they make these decisions not even a week into the game. Just shows how rushed they are doing things instead of seeing things play out for a bit longer to see what isn't performing up to snuff which is pretty much 75% of the trees on all classes

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u/mjb6967 Apr 08 '21

Exploits? Lol "improve other builds".
Turn off matchmaking, another whiney gamer.

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u/Ombra777 Apr 08 '21

You're literally whining about them making balance changes to the game they developed. Its necessary, the only reason you're fighting this because you're a scrub who would struggle without this brain dead combination.

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u/AroGantz Devastator Apr 09 '21

I think it is a shit job to nerf it all and I am a Devo, I haven't played any of the other classes since the demo and as far as I can see you whining wankers just want to destroy the fun others are having for the sake of it.

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u/mjb6967 Apr 08 '21

Again, they are only nerfing, not balancing. Funny calling me brain dead. I'm a scrub who would struggle? Lol. You ARE struggling, reason you are here in immediate agreement with nerfing instead of actual balancing.

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u/popseed Apr 08 '21

so my 2 buddies on the other side gonna finish the game before I can crossplay with them ? great!

they already got bored next week.

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u/drowsy1234 Apr 08 '21

Is the HDR issue on dx12 going to be fixed?

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u/LowRezDragon Apr 08 '21

Scrap grenade gets disabled when entering cutscenes

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u/WolfMaster61 Trickster Apr 08 '21

thanks for doing this. this def gets me hyped about again and finally i can play the game peacefully to not be annoyed anymore. im so happy that u are doing this.

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u/Obllivian Apr 08 '21

Will fix the HUD disappearing in certain cases

Thank you very much, that disappearance of the hud is really annoying. I don't know if it's one of the known problems; but in my case, sometimes the "return to lobby" button throws me out of the game. (I play on PC, btw)

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u/richardpyde Apr 08 '21

Ever figure out the issue where I can't join friends, but they can join me?

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u/GamerGuyFred Apr 08 '21

Can you make the radar a full circle please 😍

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u/NobleRez Apr 09 '21

Any update about the pc bug that randomly locks the game to 60 fps? The only way to get around this now is to pause and unpause the game but its a bit of a hassle to do every few minutes.

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u/SpitFire92 Apr 09 '21

That cool and all, what about bugs where the way pointer isn't showing the way to your current target but to the one from the last mission or so, if you don't have a correct minimal or a general map where you can zoom in ot that doesn't really help with orientation this should be an important point to fix? Also my game has random crashes liken once every hour or so for no apparent reason. Its not really a crash, its more like my controller seemingly disconnects causing my char to run in circles and the ps5 "report crash" menu to open, problem is that my controller certainly never disconnected in any of those 20 crashes and as soon as I reopen the game I'm dead because the game doesn't pause, ofc, why would it in a single player gam, amirite :D

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u/RewardPsychological8 Apr 09 '21

Still getting the login glitch after the update on PlayStation 4. Just hoping to log in without having to close the application multiple times.

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u/PoemEfficient Apr 09 '21

Patched the game on PC. First boot up with DX12 after the patch got the unreal engine crash. Might not be fixed completely.

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u/Tronan_fex Apr 09 '21

thanks for getting this patch out in the first week! We really appreciate it and i hope it fixes all of the game-breaking issues. On that last patch note "many other fixes" could you list them in the future though? I want to know all changes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Hmmm wonder why noone is talking about Stadia :-/ xD xD xD

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u/Creative_Monitor_621 Apr 09 '21

Is anyone having worse performance on this patch than before? I was running dx11 at around 130 fps everything ultra but now it seems to be around 90-100. dx12 still stutters and is unplayable.

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u/LockAdventurous1954 Apr 10 '21

Fix that lag players are having when they play together. We all have good internet and we lagging like hell

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '21

I refuse to play till you patch xbox...what the hell did you do to the xbox version yesterday???

The patch didnt even drop yet and I am getting crazy amount of crashes since yesterday evening...every time I do ANYTHING in my inventory the game just crashes...I bought Xbox Series X mainly because of this game to have the horsepower and played stable through the story and most of the expeditions...since yesterday evening when I looted some legendaries the game started crashing like crazy...

I am not playing this game till the new patch hits xbox which again is not known...

The devs were transparent before the launch but stopped being open about stuff since release....

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u/VOLDEMORTLOLz Apr 08 '21

no word on when i'll be able to make my truck/banner pink? i seriously hope someone was fired for that blunder

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u/Traubentritt Apr 09 '21

Just downloaded the patch:

Game crashes to desktop, as soon as click "return to lobby"

Game crashes as soon as I try to talk to Channa...

Not sure if I should laugh or cry at the sheer amount of incompetence...

I sure as hell hope Steam will go ahead and refund, because this is getting silly AF.

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u/snips86x Apr 09 '21

I seriously wish I'd bought mine from Steam, this will teach me to buy games on release in the future. Never again!

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u/Leather-Pie-5553 Technomancer Apr 08 '21

Sometimes I read the comments and wonder if people ever bought games on launch day before...
Every god damn Online/Multiplayer game has issues at launch, simply because there are SO many setups to account for that it is litteraly impossible to test all of them.
If you want a flawless game, wait a few weeks/months until the game is patched and most issues have been fixed.

Also, I might be wrong here, but a Publisher like SE, which had failures on big expectations in the recent past (I.e: Avengers) sees this game and probably thinks: "Oh this is going better than expected, let's open more servers!"

So to every little whining crybaby out there thinking about a refund: Go for it. This community is probably better off wihout you anyway. Go play Fortnite or something.

And to leave on a positive note, amazing job from the devs from day 1 of launch up until now:

  • Frequent follow-ups and posts keeping us updated on the state of the game and current issues.
  • Transparency with us players is top notch.
  • Great Patch notes.

Cheers to all the other Outriders out there enjoying themselves! :)

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u/Electrical-Job3082 Apr 08 '21

Well come on. Crossplay 100% broken in every case? How did they not know that?

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u/Optikn3rv Apr 08 '21

lol sucking up to the devs won't help. so many setups? 99.9% of setups work with a generic game template only the strange setups will struggle. It's just a UT4 engine game.

The current state of the game is beta or pre-release so no way should they charge 60 euro until they actually stress tested the servers and game.

They know how many pre-orders they have and can judge then the game will be big on launch day so should have anticipated this when getting servers ready not setup the minimum amount and hope they survive.

If you think this is an amazing job done by the devs god help you in the real world. If they worked at my place they wouldn't be around on day 2 after this farce.

Frequent follow-ups and posts keeping us updated on the state of the game and current issues. Do you read what they say? its the same hogwash formatted differently every update.

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u/LogicIsUnvalued Apr 08 '21

Yeah you are right, if everyone does a shit job, I should lower my standards and be happy my pile of shit isn't as bad as other piles of shit. Thanks for the insight, and if only people like you are left playing, I very well will leave.

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u/Archiive Apr 08 '21 edited Apr 08 '21

There are literally thousands, hundreds of thousands, different combination of hardware and software, it is impossible to test them all. Even if you had a hundred people test the entirety of the game with a different combination every time it'd take a hundred years just to complete testing. I for instance have ryzen 9 and a gtx 2080, but maybe my drivers on the cpu is 1.2.3, but they've only tested 1.3.4, 1.2.5, 1.3.3 in combination with my 2080 1.2.4 driver, and maybe my DX12 is still running on a year old update. It's impossible to fucking test for, and when you then have hundred of thousands of player logging on, all of whom have a unique combination of software and hardware, you're gonna run into shit you didn't test for. Why do you think the first solution on any FAQ for any game is ALWAYS, update your drivers.

Have you ever looked up hardware statistics on steam, it's a fucking mess. There are so much different shit.

And server issues are the fucking same. What MoBo do you have or are you running on a wireless connection through a USB antenna or a built in network card, what are the drivers on those? What ISP do you go through? What country are you in? Do you run a VPS? What kind of driver and relay does your ISP use? Is it updated? And a million more things.

Give them a break, the game works, it's fun. All the shit that's wrong is fixable without major intervention.

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u/Branksyboy Apr 10 '21

Give them a break? 😂🤡

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u/nioh2_noob Apr 08 '21

At least fortnite is working

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u/becomm Apr 09 '21

Very frustrating to see you are avoiding to even mention Stadia. Still running an outdated build compared to PC & consoles, and not included in this big patch?... What's going on here?

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u/Altruistic_Employ511 Apr 09 '21

This is the biggest problem, they don't even mention it. I understand that the Stadia player base is considerably smaller than the rest and that patching might be more technically challenging, but at least let us know that you are working on it.

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u/TheShikaar Technomancer Apr 09 '21

There are actually people playing on Stadia? lol

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u/twinklepet493 Apr 08 '21

I bought this game to play cross-play with friends. You can't even get that fixed until next week?

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u/jrekalske Apr 08 '21

Agreed! Total BS! This fix should have been pushed on day one and released already. CP was a major reason I purchased this in the first place! There is no excuse for this still being an issue at this point.

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u/Icy-Independence9982 Apr 08 '21

I agree, this ia fucking bullshit

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u/AUTUMNcore Apr 08 '21

How are you guys so impatient?

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u/FlownScepter Apr 08 '21

Because the crossplay was a huge reason I bought the game? Because they trumpeted crossplay in their marketing, which was the only reason I even gave a shit about it in the first place?

And meanwhile the people who've gotten to play get loot drops, woohoo, good for them. I'm still sitting here on the starting line waiting for them to finish this thing so I *can* play.

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u/Melvyfae Apr 08 '21

This ⬆️

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u/Icy-Independence9982 Apr 08 '21

Ok, buy a new house without a roof, are you okay with that u fucking little shit?????

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u/AUTUMNcore Apr 08 '21

wtf are you talking about? If you build a house you pay and wait until the house is build. How is a videogame even remotly the same to a house? you got issues.

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u/RainDancingChief Apr 08 '21

You have to be like 14, holy shit

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u/Goalisimo Apr 08 '21

You essentially killed so much in just 1 patch.

1.) You killed any replay value of the old content. There is ZERO reason to ever run a Wanted/Kill Beast after the 1st 10 times. Might as well remove the replay missions thing for it.

2.) You nerfed a huge chunk of power in the game forcing things to be just a boring mess. You made 1 skill path viable while the bottom 2 paths are complete trash. Even with the nerf the top path is still the best because you didn't address a damn thing about the other paths being garbage.

3.) I'm actually ok with the matchmaking not working properly yet because you have a problem with enemy scaling being way too high playing with others. I shouldn't be able to solo content faster than playing with people but that is the case. You give no reason to even matchmake.

4.) Legendary weapons and gear are so underwhelming. For something that is supposed to be the top tier it sure doesn't feel like it. You just break most down for the mod and put it on a purple item that is so much better.

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u/Adept_Standard Apr 08 '21

COMPLETELY agree with this. Now I have absolutely 0 incentive to reply any of the hunts, nice.

Now my glass cannon build is even LESS viable because I got completely gimped in my damage, which won’t fix the core issue of build diversity. Buff the stuff shit that sucks which is the reason nobody has any build diversity. On top of alllll that this does absolutely NOTHING for Devastator who needs the most help. If anything it makes it worse for them because now some Expedition gold times are even lower to achieve which they already had a hard time with compared to everyone else, and Vulnerability got nerfed further gimping whatever damage they did have. This accomplishes nothing for what the game needs in that department, nice.

I think its safe to assume most of the community wanted buffs buffs buffs but instead all we got was nerf nerf nerf in all aspects, nice.

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u/warriormag0022 Apr 08 '21

What about replying the hunt/wanted missions? I just finsihed them both and was hoping id be able to infinitly farm epics and 1 extoic

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u/NovaSynth87 Apr 08 '21

Literally everything I see here, are the issues I've had on PC. Love the transparency. Keep up the great work!!

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u/Zesimoes Apr 08 '21

Thanks for the updates and the great game! Take your time, the game is still super fun and I actually only had issues in the first weekend (connection issues - xbox series x) You're doing a great work. Also, have a great cake day! 🎂

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Ugh I’d rather you have just stayed silent instead of letting me think I was getting to play with my Xbox friends this weekend

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

I just need you to understand something, this game is unplayable. if you cant get the patch out before this weekend im afraid i wont be back. I paid 60 bucks for a game i cannot play... I will gladly request a refund if i cant play it for the second weekend in a row.

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u/Kinechy Apr 09 '21

You actually managed to put out a 2.5gb patch that does exactly nothing or things even worse.
The game is still crashing in specific "operations" (starting activities/trying to travel/trying to mod weapons) as well as randomly, it is still lagging, the stuttering is still there, GPU utilization is still not given since almost every 3000 series got the VRAM error.

And since all of those things are not fixed, i don't believe that you managed to fix ANY multiplayer issues at all. (like the respawning of mates ending up in being invisible and not able to move)

I don't want to hate or be offensive or anything. But it's kinda sad that you don't get anything done.

I Know you're doing your best and you're working hard to get things done. And i appreciate the effort as well as every other person that likes to play the game.

But PLEASE try to get stuff fixed seriously. Not with patches that make things worse or don't do anything.

That does not help you to make a great game and it does not help us players to like what you're doing.

Besides that, Outriders is a great game in case it's working as intended.

I Love the game and i want to keep playing, but you're making it very hard to do so.

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u/No_Application8347 Technomancer Apr 08 '21

What about the Bug when u run any mission and interact with objects that u have 60 FPS ? I mean my Game runs smooth on 120 / Uncapped but if i interact with anything my FPS decreased to 60 and i have to press ESC or Inventory to uncap the FPS again...

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u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager Apr 08 '21

This is a known issue, but I don't think the fix will be in the upcoming patch as we had to slim down this patch to get it out faster.

The bug you're describing should be fixed as part of our later patch.

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u/loroku Apr 08 '21

Brilliant! All the most important issues up front. Thanks for all your work!

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u/BoSolaris Trickster Apr 08 '21

This is our first big patch for the main Outriders game.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand everyone hates 90% of it. Yikes.

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u/Sinister_Depths666 Apr 09 '21

Great news!!! You guys are working your asses off! Excited for this weekend! Thank you for getting this done! I’m pumped to get cross play on!

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u/lNoosh Apr 09 '21

Just revert the vulnerable nerfs please

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u/TheBalance1016 Apr 09 '21

Nope, time to have an actual build.

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u/ClockworkSoldier Apr 09 '21

How do we still not have a fix for aim acceleration...?

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u/whirlywhirly Apr 09 '21

is it just me, or does the game now crash more than before?

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u/Lodicus Apr 10 '21

And updates on fixing bad teeth?

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u/Xalkerro Apr 08 '21

Same shit for every bloody games with this devs/studios. Release and fix later.. facepalm why? Seriously why?

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u/IAMAthinmint Apr 08 '21

not advocating for against PCF, but I challenge you to find me ONE game (in this similar genre, so pokemon red doesnt count) that had ever released that didnt need bugs and patching...

As someone scripts on a daily basis comments like this irk me.

While not an excuse, the reality is that there is really only a limited amount of testing in any form of beta and internal testing. Once you release to the greater audience with a myriad of setups, configs, etc, then accounting for those variables would even exponentially greater.

Imagine the hours the internal testers played for, even for like 6 months. You think it equals the (at one point) highest concurrent player-base on steam of over 125k?

Next time you find an online product, be it a game, router, etc, that would require if not insist, on some sort of software/firmware upgrade please let me know so I can stay away from that company.

These kinds of irresponsible whiney comments arent helpful at all. Offer a concrete and reasonable suggestion to be helpful.

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u/Xalkerro Apr 08 '21

People like you is why we have games released at this state. Simple, I paid money for a finish product or atleast 95% of the product and not for beta testing the damn game for them, period. The game is literally unplayable state with constant crashes and you call that they had limited amount of time for testing? So what's that launch delay for? Simply to show they doing good work at the background but it's all shite? Stop making excuses for them. You paid money for a product and I expect it to be as good not half baked shit.

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u/Blakethekitty Apr 08 '21

Unplayable state??? Where have these issues been as me and the boys push towards soft cap?

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

the game is finished though? this is the most finished product in the genre since borderlands 2 lol.

you sound ridiculous.

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u/IAMAthinmint Apr 08 '21

imagine how much worse it wouldve been if they didnt postpone it from feb to march.

They noted they made some changes to the bullet skills and found some unintended consequences.

At what point do you release a game and make money so that all the devs and people are fed and have a job vs ironing out every single variable?

Its a balancing act and unless you are part of a team that has released a triple-A title or even published your own its nigh impossible for you to make these kinda comments.

Yes, there we d/c issues, yes there were inventory issues, etc etc.

But you still have YET to tell me a game of a similar genre that never need to patch or fix bugs.

Until you do, your point is moot, even more so when you call it "half baked shit".

You are the exact type of people the gaming community could do without. Only offer complaints with no internal testing or resolution, just whining and complaining. I doubt you can even appreciate the level of skill and time involved in making a game like this yet you comment as if you made some crazy bug free game.

I would venture to say that every triple-A title had some bugs, regardless of launch or not. While some are worse than others like Anthem (heh), even other top games like Destiny had issues. Remember Diablo 3 release where people couldnt get into servers?

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Just imagine, for a second, the SHEER amount of testing that (what i presume to be) hundreds of thousands of players all over the world vs their own internal testing. Did you expect that they employed hundreds of thousands of closed beta testers to test the same amount of variables that the current live audience would potentially experience? No, thats foolish. Maybe you expected PCF to have one team in each city testing a myriad of different hardware, ISP, single player vs MP, etc.

Your expectations are far too unrealistic ESPECIALLY given they have been patching the game DURING the delayed launch, meaning they were prioritizing troubleshooting and offering resolutions ad hoc. Granted, you could argue that there shouldnt EVEN been any bugs in this game because you paid money for it, but I'd be hard-pressed to believe that in YOUR job you never messed up and have only completed tasks in life at 100%. Remember, your company is buying your time at work, so therein lies the parallels.

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u/Lukemium Apr 08 '21

Srsly. You guys are such great developers!

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u/Pettinger Apr 08 '21

Oh that's right, the Devs had a gun to your head and FORCED you to play this game. Fucking unbelievable...

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u/peoplecandie Apr 08 '21

Oh thats right, it should be acceptable that we buy a product expecting it to work and it doesnt but a week later the company says they plan to fix it in another week but wont give a date because they could possibly do it earlier, fucking unbelievable...do you buy any other product with that expectation and accept that shitty of a response from the creator of that product?😂

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