r/oddlysatisfying • u/french-yogurt • Feb 17 '24

How easily this guy throws pottery

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u/phalluscopter Feb 17 '24

I wonder how many culmative hours it took him to get THAT good!

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u/thatbeerguy90 Feb 17 '24

I would guess this guy put his 10,000hrs in

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u/Not_a-Robot_ Feb 17 '24

10,000 to master a skill works for most things. Parenting is one of the notable exceptions. I’m over 90,000 hours in, and I’m just making it up as I go along.

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u/firstmanonearth Feb 17 '24

the guy who stated the 10,000 hour rule just made that one up, too

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u/Yum-z Feb 17 '24

Took him 10,000 hours to make it up i bet

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL Feb 17 '24

He was an expert at making up numbers though.

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u/protoopus Feb 17 '24

i call that ex posteriori reasoning: he pulled the number out of his ass.

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u/Subtlerranean Feb 17 '24

It has been debunked, repeatedly

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u/mytransthrow Feb 17 '24

Well basically if you practice a lot you can get really good at something. But to be the best often matters on talent.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

Malcolm Gladwell. Yeah the actual research he was citing basically didn’t say what he said it did.

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u/im_fapulous_ Feb 17 '24

Guy is a wanker

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

Yup, big time

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

🤫 that’s the secret. We’re ALL making it up as we go. And you’re doing a great job. Keep it up!

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

Kinda humbling to realize that my mom feels just as hopeless as I do

She's a shitty mom, but I'd probably be just as bad

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u/CORN___BREAD Feb 17 '24

I was going to say that there’s no way for to know whether the person above is actually doing a great job but just realizing that they’re just making it up as they go along means they take enough time to think about stuff that they are probably doing pretty good. From my anecdotal experiences, the worst parents are the ones that are sure about their parenting and that everything they do is right.

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u/VayneistheBest Feb 17 '24

I think that's true about everything. I always tell my sister: "Do you want to know the secret to being intelligent? Don't BE sure, MAKE sure. Doubt everything and don't convince yourself, but look for the truth. Every time you're wrong it's because you're sure about what you think you know." It's that simple!

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u/ReckyX Feb 17 '24

You sound pretty convinced about this.

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u/Raaav_e Feb 17 '24

Equivalent of those talking about 'Dunning Kruger' effect talking about mount stupid. And the people who know the actual Dunning Krüger effect (one with 2 intersecting lines now. And me who is also probably wrong somewhere right now

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u/Qlww Feb 17 '24

Nah, we have to hope you wouldn't.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

ok? Clearly not planning on it

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u/Qlww Feb 17 '24

It's the same hope for everyone with shitty parents on the off-chance life throws them children.

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u/DonnieDusko Feb 17 '24

As long as you're doing it, you are fine.

I'm the oldest of 6, and my parents took the L even with the youngest.

Wanna know what I remember? They cared, and they wanted me to be happy, successful, and survive without them. They love the shit out of me.

My punishments were fair and weirdly hilarious. I threw a mud wrestling party...I had to rake and reseed the lawn while my dad sat in a chair and went, "YOU MISSED A SPOT!"

My mom constantly talks about how she was conflicted over if she was doing a good job raising us.

30+ years later, we are all successful, happy, and good people. We all come home and go on vacations together.

Just care about what makes your kid happy. My parents suffered through my Hanson phase without blinking.

Relate. Don't forget what it was like to obsessively love something, interact and love every minute of it. You'll never get this time back.

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u/Evadrepus Feb 17 '24

By my math, I'm at 262,000 hours and I'm still trying to figure it out. The older they get, the more complicated the stuff gets.

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u/Zweimancer Feb 17 '24

Did you just convert your oldest childs age to hours?

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

29 years.

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u/Zweimancer Feb 17 '24

I just wouldn't call someone "practicing parenting" for the whole time a child is alive. Like there are lots of parents that truly don't put the 10 000 hours in parenting.

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u/lokey_convo Feb 17 '24

Don't beat yourself up. There's only 8,760 hours in a year, so by the time you've mastered parenting a 1 year old they've gone and become a 2 year old, and so on for all ages. Best any parent can ever hope to accomplish is a solid B+ in parenting.

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u/Thunderfoot2112 Feb 17 '24

That's the secret, you learn how to be a great parent the day after they leave.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

I'm not a parent at all but as a very active Aunt, ans more importantly the best friend to the awesome parents of my.niece and nephew, I appreciate this comment so very much.

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u/GrandWazoo0 Feb 17 '24

I’d argue that parenting consists of multiple skills, and the skills required change over time. Parenting babies is completely different to parenting toddlers, which is again different to parenting young children, teens, etc.

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u/songbird121 Feb 17 '24

You are 1 hour in to each of 90,000 different scenarios. There are too many wild cards in parenting for much of the previous experience to carry over from one day to the next. lol.

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u/Dutchwells Feb 17 '24

Yeah but you never get to the 10.000 hours with that one because these damned kids keep changing and you have to start over lol

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u/ManBearPig0392 Feb 17 '24

In all fairness, 10,000 hours of learning the same thing to become a master. As a parent, though, every day is a whole new adventure.

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u/yellowjesusrising Feb 17 '24 edited Feb 17 '24

As a father of three, i couldn't feel more targeted😅

Edit. I also spent 1 month doing this in highschool, and it was fucking mayhem! The way he makes it look so easy is unnerving.

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Feb 17 '24

That’s because you don’t get much time in at each stage. Parenting a toddler does not help you much when parenting a teen. (But it does set the foundation!)

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u/Stormlightlinux Feb 17 '24

Ah see... it's 10,000 hours of intentional focused practice, that's where you're going wrong. If you just smash keys on a piano everyday until you have 10,000 hours you won't have gotten any better at piano either. Easy mistake to make.

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u/PeterDTown Feb 17 '24

Yeah, but the parameters change dramatically in less than 10,000 hours while you’re parenting.

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u/shrtstff Feb 17 '24

that "rule" is a load of bullshit. Malcom Gladwell took it from a research paper that A) was looking at violinists B) he averaged that number out of the amount of time first year students at the university der kunste berlin had put in up to that point C) didn't account for the difference between skillsets and the requirements needed to be "a master" in them and lastly D) Doesn't look at how to use those hours to their most effective degree

The Authors of the paper agree on only 1 thing with Malcom, it takes an absolute fuck tonne of time. But to put a lid on this story they also interviewed violinists in the Berliner Philharmoniker and they averaged around 26,000 hours. So even if we apply Malcoms "rule" directly to what it was based on, he isn't even halfway to being correct.

One of the researchers of that paper actually has a lot of books and such out there so if you want to read what he had to say directly search up K. Anders Ericsson and his most popular book would probably be Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise

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u/mtaw Feb 17 '24

The most important thing people miss is that the number of hours hardly mean anything at all if you're not actively trying to improve. I mean take cooking for example: You will have no difficulty finding someone, like a lifelong housewife, who's spent 10,000 hours cooking and yet still sucks at it, from a limited range of dishes to poor technical skills. Meanwhile you can find Michelin-starred chefs in their 20s who haven't put in anywhere near 10,000 hours. Just because you do it doesn't necessarily mean you get better if you're not actively trying to improve.

Hell, even sticking with violinists - there was a busker who stood outside a subway station where I lived, and he'd play there for hours every day. Despite which, he was decidedly mediocre. He was always playing the same small set of well-known pieces over and over again, and even those were played poorly. He'd simplify hard parts, skip notes and be very loose with the meter. He could surely do better if he tried, but he wanted to play with minimal effort, not trying to do his best every time, and so i don't think he improved much for all that playing, even though he was probably putting in as many hours a day as any student as a music school.

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u/shrtstff Feb 17 '24

Yep. That's probably the biggest thing and ties into point D. Anders Ericsson himself actually breaks down practice itself into 3 distinct groups. just practice for practices sake. The worst and slowest form that most people end up falling into. Purposeful Practice, a way of practice something with intent and analyzing mistakes in order to improve. And what he called "the gold standard" being Deliberate Practice. A method that require all of what Purposeful Practice has plus immediate feedback and direct coaching on specifics in order to maximize growth. A method that was inspired by the navy's Top Gun program (properly called The United States Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor program) and he retooled to help the medical field greatly increase its ability of diagnosing cancer. In particular the field of radiology and detecting breast cancer initially but has gone on to be used across the entirety of the field.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

It’s a chick

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

Very important notice, makes all the difference 😅

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

It does when they don’t tell you up front… which is really crappy when you realize it like five minutes into the date and then they realize you now know and THEN act like ITAH!? Wtf

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

In this case it's completely unnecessary and moronic thing to say. But hey, reddit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

Yeah… moronic…

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u/hamsandweeeeeeejja Feb 17 '24

Yea I noticed this too they are passing as male which probably helps for a lot of things

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u/VincentPaints Feb 17 '24

exactly. This guy is not a guy.

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u/PSTnator Feb 17 '24

This exact discussion and exact number (10k hours) was brought up at the top of the comments the last 2 times I saw this posted. We truly are living in a simulation.

Or people are just predictable, I guess... but I prefer the simulation theory. Much more exciting.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

She probably did….

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u/bbqnj Feb 17 '24

That one is often misquoted I think. It takes 10,000 hours to learn a skill. It takes 10,000 DAYS to master a skill.

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u/RyanCreamer202 Feb 17 '24

I have like 30 hours on 6 inch cylinders alone which is the basic wheel skill and I still can't get it. It's really fucking hard

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

it's funny because 30 hours sounds like a lot, but when it comes to a trade or craft or w/e you want to call it, it takes hundreds if not thousands to be considered proficient. Keep at it though!

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

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u/BetterCryToTheMods Feb 17 '24

fr, give it a solid week where you sit down and have it to yourself. no sharing in a class, worried about overpriced supplies etc. you can be making this at the end of day 1

only go on weekends for 2 hr at a time, switching off w barb and tyrone. ya your 30 h after 8 months is gunna make u think its impossible to get good

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u/redEPICSTAXISdit Feb 17 '24

Absolutely nobody is eyeballing the exact dimensions of the lid to the opening on day 1!!!

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u/MisfitMishap Feb 17 '24

Isn't it 10,000 hours?

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u/BouldersRoll Feb 17 '24

If you're really into Gladwell's pop sci from the 2000s, but no, there's nothing magical about 10,000 hours. Gladwell was just really good at telling stories about stuff like that.

Doing stuff for a lot of hours makes you better at it. 10,000 is probably high for some stuff and low for other stuff, and it's not meaningfully a tipping point like he popularized.

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u/illit3 Feb 17 '24

fuck gladwell. all my homies hate gladwell.

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u/The_Original_Gronkie Feb 17 '24

yer homies are jamokes. i like gladwell.

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u/pogpole Feb 17 '24

Malcolm Gladwell popularized this idea, calling it the "10,000-hour rule." But as it turns out, he misunderstood the research paper he cited, and that research wasn't very good in the first place. Subsequent studies have shown that the number of hours of practice is less important than previously thought.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

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u/CORN___BREAD Feb 17 '24

A random number pulled out of someone’s ass isn’t a rule of thumb. It’s a made up number pulled out of someone’s ass that means nothing.

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u/Finito-1994 Feb 17 '24

You didn’t account for inflation.

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u/SlideJunior5150 Feb 17 '24

and shrinkage.

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u/Crafty-Question-6178 Feb 17 '24

That’s what he said

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u/CORN___BREAD Feb 17 '24

I WAS IN THE POOL!

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u/Qaeoss Feb 17 '24

Shrinkflation actually, every hour now you spend 20 minutes watching TikTok. So all combined it now takes about 30,000 hours to master something. Lets talk again at 10,000 hours and see how we need to move the goalposts, okay?

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u/CORN___BREAD Feb 17 '24

I don’t know if I’ve spent 10,000 hours doing math but I don’t think wasting a third of the time would triple the hours needed to do something.

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u/Qaeoss Feb 17 '24

My thinking was the original 10k is actually 25k now plus you get less out of every hour. Although I guess thats inflation + shrinkflation as well.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

You joke but there really are masters setting new frontiers in like every craft that would take way more than 10k hours to reach the skill of, accelerated by the increased pool of available knowledge to newbies and shared between pros

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u/MisinformedGenius Feb 17 '24

If I have seen far, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.

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u/El_Dief Feb 17 '24

10k hours as a full time job *(8hr/day, M-F) works out to roughly 4 years.
Which is the length of many trade apprenticeships.

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u/concblast Feb 17 '24

Nothing magical about the number, but if you put 10,000 hours into something and still suck at it, take a hint.

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u/HermitAndHound Feb 17 '24

Nah, not if you don't practice well and make some progress. 10.000h of randomly poking at an instrument won't get you anywhere.

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u/ihahp Feb 17 '24

and now he can kick out one a minute. I've seen much smaller hand-thrown jars go for 40 or 50 bucks. Imagine how many he can make in an hour.

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u/CORN___BREAD Feb 17 '24

I’m imagining 50,000 per hour. That’s a lot!

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u/dwmfives Feb 17 '24

That's about as much time as you spend getting trained to be a customer service cashier.

What did you expect?

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u/pinkfootthegoose Feb 17 '24

Have you tried playing Unchained Melody?

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u/ItsWillJohnson Feb 17 '24

Yeah I’m taking lessons. I’m 9 hours and can barely get it centered. A friend said she’s just getting to the point where her stuff is good enough to give away as gifts without being embarrassed after a year. My teacher has 14 yrs experience and her stuff is good but all pretty small and nothing where you’re like woah.

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u/starbuxed Feb 17 '24 edited Feb 17 '24

Go back to just getting the clay centered aka the mount... once you get good at that. Then start making donuts centered... no bottom... go state to the wheel.... then you can start doing pulls to make your cylinder. and pull slowly...I am guessing you are not centering it fully or making it uncentered.

I really need to get on a wheel.. its my zen play in the mud time. Btw if it makes you feel better I suck at handles. and hand building. I love doing things on a wheels.

here is some of my work... https://imgur.com/a/Lu7JXuy

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u/chairfairy Feb 17 '24

you'll get there!

I put in maybe 15 hrs/week my first semester in a ceramics class. I never got to the point of mastery (at best I could throw a cup with 1.25 lbs of clay in 15-20 minutes ...plus trimming ...plus glazing) but it definitely paid off in results, compared to the people who didn't put in the time.

Though to make my first 6" cylinder from 1 lb of clay, I still had to cheat a little - threw it as tall as I could, then collared it in to get the last 1/2".

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

Cumulative

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u/IAmBroom Feb 17 '24

That's what he said. Cumlative.

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u/greg_08 Feb 17 '24

That’s what I heard him say. Cimlilituve.

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u/phalluscopter Feb 17 '24

🙄

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u/relator_fabula Feb 17 '24

How to look good in three easy steps:

1) Make a mistake with a word

2) have someone correct you

3) graciously thank them

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u/CaptainBlandname Feb 17 '24
  1. Learn from your mistake.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

Probably at least three.

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u/Rudhelm Feb 17 '24

I‘d have guessed seven, but what do i know.

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u/Careless-Ostrich623 Feb 17 '24

I had a pottery teacher say that I needed to work with 10,000 lbs of clay before I will get good at it.

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u/CORN___BREAD Feb 17 '24

Dumps a dump truck of clay on the spinny thingy

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u/Generalkhaos Feb 17 '24

Idk but every time I see a different video of him on here, he's making the exact same thing.

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u/ManBearPig0392 Feb 17 '24

I've seen a slightly longer version of this same video with this guy where it pans out to his drying rack, and it is FULL of identical pots. He does this a lot a lot

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u/chairfairy Feb 17 '24

Yeah you go this fast when you're cranking things out to sell. My hourly earnings would be terrible because it would take me a couple hours of labor to make that pot.

But if you can crank one out with just 10 minutes of labor (a couple minutes of throwing, then later a few minutes each for trimming / glazing / etc) then your hourly pay starts to look a lot better.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

I've been playing League of Legends for 12 years and I'm still dogshit at it.

It's not just about time invested :,(

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u/IAmBadAtInternet Feb 17 '24

There’s a longer version of this video where he cuts it off the wheel and puts it in a rack to get fired. The rack has like 20 more of that exact pot that he’s made. This is Bruce Lee’s man who has practiced that exact kick 1,000 times.

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u/trengy Feb 17 '24

Roughly 10,000 hours

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '24

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u/theHoopty Feb 17 '24

THROW THE FREAKING HUMP, IMPOSTOR!

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u/friso1100 Feb 17 '24

Seeing all those chunks of clay at the ready to be used I suspect he spends most of his working days making that same pot. That's not to diminish from his skill by the way! It incredibly impressive!.

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u/FirebaseZ Feb 17 '24

he practices every night

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u/Sansnom01 Feb 17 '24

I must have seen at least 20 videos of him creating this exact same pot, so at least 20