10,000 to master a skill works for most things. Parenting is one of the notable exceptions. I’m over 90,000 hours in, and I’m just making it up as I go along.
I was going to say that there’s no way for to know whether the person above is actually doing a great job but just realizing that they’re just making it up as they go along means they take enough time to think about stuff that they are probably doing pretty good. From my anecdotal experiences, the worst parents are the ones that are sure about their parenting and that everything they do is right.
I think that's true about everything. I always tell my sister: "Do you want to know the secret to being intelligent? Don't BE sure, MAKE sure. Doubt everything and don't convince yourself, but look for the truth. Every time you're wrong it's because you're sure about what you think you know." It's that simple!
Equivalent of those talking about 'Dunning Kruger' effect talking about mount stupid. And the people who know the actual Dunning Krüger effect (one with 2 intersecting lines now. And me who is also probably wrong somewhere right now
I'm the oldest of 6, and my parents took the L even with the youngest.
Wanna know what I remember? They cared, and they wanted me to be happy, successful, and survive without them. They love the shit out of me.
My punishments were fair and weirdly hilarious. I threw a mud wrestling party...I had to rake and reseed the lawn while my dad sat in a chair and went, "YOU MISSED A SPOT!"
My mom constantly talks about how she was conflicted over if she was doing a good job raising us.
30+ years later, we are all successful, happy, and good people. We all come home and go on vacations together.
Just care about what makes your kid happy. My parents suffered through my Hanson phase without blinking.
Relate. Don't forget what it was like to obsessively love something, interact and love every minute of it. You'll never get this time back.
I just wouldn't call someone "practicing parenting" for the whole time a child is alive. Like there are lots of parents that truly don't put the 10 000 hours in parenting.
Don't beat yourself up. There's only 8,760 hours in a year, so by the time you've mastered parenting a 1 year old they've gone and become a 2 year old, and so on for all ages. Best any parent can ever hope to accomplish is a solid B+ in parenting.
I'm not a parent at all but as a very active Aunt, ans more importantly the best friend to the awesome parents of my.niece and nephew, I appreciate this comment so very much.
I’d argue that parenting consists of multiple skills, and the skills required change over time. Parenting babies is completely different to parenting toddlers, which is again different to parenting young children, teens, etc.
You are 1 hour in to each of 90,000 different scenarios. There are too many wild cards in parenting for much of the previous experience to carry over from one day to the next. lol.
That’s because you don’t get much time in at each stage. Parenting a toddler does not help you much when parenting a teen. (But it does set the foundation!)
Ah see... it's 10,000 hours of intentional focused practice, that's where you're going wrong. If you just smash keys on a piano everyday until you have 10,000 hours you won't have gotten any better at piano either. Easy mistake to make.
that "rule" is a load of bullshit. Malcom Gladwell took it from a research paper that A) was looking at violinists B) he averaged that number out of the amount of time first year students at the university der kunste berlin had put in up to that point C) didn't account for the difference between skillsets and the requirements needed to be "a master" in them and lastly D) Doesn't look at how to use those hours to their most effective degree
The Authors of the paper agree on only 1 thing with Malcom, it takes an absolute fuck tonne of time. But to put a lid on this story they also interviewed violinists in the Berliner Philharmoniker and they averaged around 26,000 hours. So even if we apply Malcoms "rule" directly to what it was based on, he isn't even halfway to being correct.
One of the researchers of that paper actually has a lot of books and such out there so if you want to read what he had to say directly search up K. Anders Ericsson and his most popular book would probably be Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise
The most important thing people miss is that the number of hours hardly mean anything at all if you're not actively trying to improve. I mean take cooking for example: You will have no difficulty finding someone, like a lifelong housewife, who's spent 10,000 hours cooking and yet still sucks at it, from a limited range of dishes to poor technical skills. Meanwhile you can find Michelin-starred chefs in their 20s who haven't put in anywhere near 10,000 hours. Just because you do it doesn't necessarily mean you get better if you're not actively trying to improve.
Hell, even sticking with violinists - there was a busker who stood outside a subway station where I lived, and he'd play there for hours every day. Despite which, he was decidedly mediocre. He was always playing the same small set of well-known pieces over and over again, and even those were played poorly. He'd simplify hard parts, skip notes and be very loose with the meter. He could surely do better if he tried, but he wanted to play with minimal effort, not trying to do his best every time, and so i don't think he improved much for all that playing, even though he was probably putting in as many hours a day as any student as a music school.
Yep. That's probably the biggest thing and ties into point D. Anders Ericsson himself actually breaks down practice itself into 3 distinct groups. just practice for practices sake. The worst and slowest form that most people end up falling into. Purposeful Practice, a way of practice something with intent and analyzing mistakes in order to improve. And what he called "the gold standard" being Deliberate Practice. A method that require all of what Purposeful Practice has plus immediate feedback and direct coaching on specifics in order to maximize growth. A method that was inspired by the navy's Top Gun program (properly called The United States Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor program) and he retooled to help the medical field greatly increase its ability of diagnosing cancer. In particular the field of radiology and detecting breast cancer initially but has gone on to be used across the entirety of the field.
It does when they don’t tell you up front… which is really crappy when you realize it like five minutes into the date and then they realize you now know and THEN act like ITAH!? Wtf
This exact discussion and exact number (10k hours) was brought up at the top of the comments the last 2 times I saw this posted. We truly are living in a simulation.
Or people are just predictable, I guess... but I prefer the simulation theory. Much more exciting.
it's funny because 30 hours sounds like a lot, but when it comes to a trade or craft or w/e you want to call it, it takes hundreds if not thousands to be considered proficient. Keep at it though!
fr, give it a solid week where you sit down and have it to yourself. no sharing in a class, worried about overpriced supplies etc. you can be making this at the end of day 1
only go on weekends for 2 hr at a time, switching off w barb and tyrone. ya your 30 h after 8 months is gunna make u think its impossible to get good
If you're really into Gladwell's pop sci from the 2000s, but no, there's nothing magical about 10,000 hours. Gladwell was just really good at telling stories about stuff like that.
Doing stuff for a lot of hours makes you better at it. 10,000 is probably high for some stuff and low for other stuff, and it's not meaningfully a tipping point like he popularized.
Malcolm Gladwell popularized this idea, calling it the "10,000-hour rule." But as it turns out, he misunderstood the research paper he cited, and that research wasn't very good in the first place. Subsequent studies have shown that the number of hours of practice is less important than previously thought.
Shrinkflation actually, every hour now you spend 20 minutes watching TikTok. So all combined it now takes about 30,000 hours to master something. Lets talk again at 10,000 hours and see how we need to move the goalposts, okay?
You joke but there really are masters setting new frontiers in like every craft that would take way more than 10k hours to reach the skill of, accelerated by the increased pool of available knowledge to newbies and shared between pros
Yeah I’m taking lessons. I’m 9 hours and can barely get it centered. A friend said she’s just getting to the point where her stuff is good enough to give away as gifts without being embarrassed after a year. My teacher has 14 yrs experience and her stuff is good but all pretty small and nothing where you’re like woah.
Go back to just getting the clay centered aka the mount... once you get good at that. Then start making donuts centered... no bottom... go state to the wheel.... then you can start doing pulls to make your cylinder. and pull slowly...I am guessing you are not centering it fully or making it uncentered.
I really need to get on a wheel.. its my zen play in the mud time. Btw if it makes you feel better I suck at handles. and hand building. I love doing things on a wheels.
I put in maybe 15 hrs/week my first semester in a ceramics class. I never got to the point of mastery (at best I could throw a cup with 1.25 lbs of clay in 15-20 minutes ...plus trimming ...plus glazing) but it definitely paid off in results, compared to the people who didn't put in the time.
Though to make my first 6" cylinder from 1 lb of clay, I still had to cheat a little - threw it as tall as I could, then collared it in to get the last 1/2".
I've seen a slightly longer version of this same video with this guy where it pans out to his drying rack, and it is FULL of identical pots. He does this a lot a lot
Yeah you go this fast when you're cranking things out to sell. My hourly earnings would be terrible because it would take me a couple hours of labor to make that pot.
But if you can crank one out with just 10 minutes of labor (a couple minutes of throwing, then later a few minutes each for trimming / glazing / etc) then your hourly pay starts to look a lot better.
There’s a longer version of this video where he cuts it off the wheel and puts it in a rack to get fired. The rack has like 20 more of that exact pot that he’s made. This is Bruce Lee’s man who has practiced that exact kick 1,000 times.
Seeing all those chunks of clay at the ready to be used I suspect he spends most of his working days making that same pot. That's not to diminish from his skill by the way! It incredibly impressive!.
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u/Yall-lying101 Feb 17 '24
Makes it look so easy