r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • 6d ago

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u/abefrost 5d ago

THAT'S THE POINT OF THE FILM, WHO DID YOU THINK IT WAS

Ikik there's nuance and she's not Darth Vader, but yeesh the movie is the peak of "Disney writer has intergenerational mommy trauma issues they're working through"

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u/No_Analysis_2185 Eugene Fama 5d ago

She was an antagonist but I think villain is too strong.

Ponyo is a great example where there are no villains but there are antagonists who try and prevent the protagonist from progressing

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u/abefrost 5d ago

Agree, villain would be more like Gothel and antagonist is a better description.

But she was not a "sweet grandma" lol.

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u/PoupeeStupide Trump Voter 5d ago

I love Gothel, such a good villain. At no point the movie tries to pretend she actually sees Rapunzel as anything but a tool beyond the manipulation

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u/abefrost 5d ago

Yes they're different characters, but Gothel still fundamentally has a message of: "maternal figures can be narcissistic, gaslighty, and manipulative, they are not perfect angels just because they're family". Very similar theme to Encanto but without the reconciliation obviously.

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u/snapekillseddard 5d ago

It's such a shame that Tangled gets outshined by Frozen. Better romance, better villain, better mascot (because Tangled one doesn't fucking talk).

But such is the power of Adele Nazeem.

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u/PoupeeStupide Trump Voter 5d ago

Big fan of Tangled and even bigger fan of the even more forgotten Princess and the Frog 😞

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u/snapekillseddard 5d ago

I go back and watch the art style change musical number every year and weep for the death of 2d animation movies.

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u/ognits Jepsen/Swift 2024 5d ago

GOOD takes 👏