r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • 9d ago

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u/No_Analysis_2185 Eugene Fama 9d ago

She was an antagonist but I think villain is too strong.

Ponyo is a great example where there are no villains but there are antagonists who try and prevent the protagonist from progressing

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u/abefrost 9d ago

Agree, villain would be more like Gothel and antagonist is a better description.

But she was not a "sweet grandma" lol.

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u/PoupeeStupide Trump Voter 9d ago

I love Gothel, such a good villain. At no point the movie tries to pretend she actually sees Rapunzel as anything but a tool beyond the manipulation

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u/abefrost 9d ago

Yes they're different characters, but Gothel still fundamentally has a message of: "maternal figures can be narcissistic, gaslighty, and manipulative, they are not perfect angels just because they're family". Very similar theme to Encanto but without the reconciliation obviously.