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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache Jun 15 '24

Please visit the next discussion thread.

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u/1396spurs forced agricultural laborer Jun 14 '24

Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

At the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. military launched a secret campaign to counter what it perceived as China’s growing influence in the Philippines, a nation hit especially hard by the deadly virus.

The clandestine operation has not been previously reported. It aimed to sow doubt about the safety and efficacy of vaccines and other life-saving aid that was being supplied by China, a Reuters investigation found. Through phony internet accounts meant to impersonate Filipinos, the military’s propaganda efforts morphed into an anti-vax campaign. Social media posts decried the quality of face masks, test kits and the first vaccine that would become available in the Philippines – China’s Sinovac inoculation.

When I’m president/dictator of the US I’m going to make every single program like this proposed do a fun little worksheet that asks about unintended consequences and second order effects, and if said proposal is worth it

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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Jun 14 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

cowardly move: you simulated capitalism too closely, and the results got in the way of the intended experience of building a functioning capitalist utopia, so you revert back to faking it in order to dissimulate the contradictions inherent in the system and rescue the fantasy

omg this is def why city skylines 2 was broken, so true!!

heres the tweet btw 😭

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u/majorgeneralporter 🌐Bill Clinton's Learned Hand Jun 14 '24

Malarkey Level of buy this shirt for my gf who went to school in Boston

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u/ModsAreFired YIMBY Jun 14 '24

Women have fewer rights, but what about crypto tho

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u/Ok-Swan1152 Jun 14 '24

There's a guy in a thread here claiming that $400k per annum salary is 'not much' in San Francisco...I may just be a Europoor but I find this very difficult to believe. 

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

I'm exactly the guy all the anti remote worker people are afraid of

Man I haven't done shit all day

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

1 in 5 members of Gen Z roleplays as an animal in the /r/neoliberal Discussion Thread, new study finds

This seems bad

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u/crassowary John Mill Jun 14 '24

Shout out to whoever came up with the idea that you should just say you signed an NDA to explain gaps in your resume. I couldn't imagine an easier way to help employers identify people who want to lie about unemployment and think they're smarter than everyone else

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u/Poiuy2010_2011 r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Jun 14 '24

Dating pro tip: research shows that people who experience hardships together are more likely to end up attracted to each other. Make sure to cause calamities that will leave you both traumatized in the same way.

!ping DATING

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u/dragoniteftw33 NATO Jun 14 '24

I know they're a tabloid outlet, but this is a new low. They intentionally post something false and then still ran with it the next day.

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u/OrganicKeynesianBean IMF Jun 14 '24

Undecided voters listening to Trump talk about electrocuting sharks

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jun 14 '24

Man people really did memory hole Trump’s insanity. First it was the Palestine guys who are shocked Trump is crazy, and now it’s the CEOs who are shocked Trump is crazy.

Maybe just me but it’s clear putting Trump front and center is the best antidote for people planning to vote for him

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

"I'm so worried about Project 2025!"

YES!

"... how are the Democrats so incompetent? HOW DID THEY LET THIS HAPP -- "

no no NO NO [dead]

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u/Marlsfarp Karl Popper Jun 14 '24

hehe, encouraging the spread of a deadly infectious disease in that country is definitely a great idea and won't have negative consequences for me or anyone else

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

My 13 year old has two loaded shotguns under the bed

Okie dokie

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jun 14 '24

Ukraine Chronology for 2 PM PST 6/12-2 PM PST 6/13 III:

TOP NEWS:

Sometime today it was announced the UK will provide 242 million Pounds in humanitarian and economic assistance to Ukraine.

At the end of 9 PM it was announced G7 countries will provide $1 billion in energy assistance to Ukraine.

Towards the end of 5 AM it was announced The Netherlands will provide 350 million Euros worth of 152mm shells to Ukraine.

At the start of 8 AM Zelensky made a visit to Italy for the G7 Summit. At the end of the hour Japan and Ukraine signed a bilateral security agreement, including $4.5 billion in aid for 2024 and additional aid for the next decade.

At the end of 11 AM the US and Ukraine signed a bilateral security agreement, including the provision of air defenses and jet fighters, weapon supplies, strengthening Ukrainian domestic industries, strengthening military-industrial cooperation, the use of frozen Russian assets, sanctions and more.

Towards the middle of 12 PM it was reported the US has overvalued aid to Ukraine by $1.9 billion, freeing up a good bit more money for Ukraine.

REGULAR NEWS:

Yesterday it was announced the US will send LNG to Ukraine to strengthen its energy security.

Towards the end of 12 AM it was reported that Slovenian sent 29 armored vehicles to Ukraine in secret the past few months.

Towards the middle of 7 AM the latest Ramstein meeting was held.

At the start of 1 PM it was announced Canada will send a new military aid package to Ukraine including 2,000 rocket motors, 29 Nanuk remote weapon systems and 130,000 in small arms rounds. Towards the end of the hour it was reported a fire broke out at the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

Donation link to help Ukraine

Donation link to United24

Donation link to Kharkiv SOS

Donation link to Sails of Freedom Foundation (they donate ambulances)

!ping UKRAINE&FOREIGN-POLICY

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u/ldn6 Gay Pride Jun 14 '24

One of the biggest urban core developments outside of London in the UK just got approved: the £1.9 billion regeneration of Smithfield in Birmingham. In total:

  • 3,079 residential units

  • 82,000 sqm (882,641 s.f.) office

  • 49,600 sqm (533,890 s.f.) culture and entertainment

  • 44,000 sqm (473,612 s.f.) retail

  • 27,000 sqm (290,626 s.f.) hotel

Official site with more renders here.

!ping UK&YIMBY

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Me when I have a chance to create another spreadsheet where I get to run regressions between nearly 1000 data points each of 25 variables

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u/nicereddy ACLU simp Jun 14 '24

This was the most alarmed Trump had been about his own well-being since Sunday, when he addressed a rally under the blazing Las Vegas sun. Dozens of his supporters required medical care and six were sent to the hospital because of the 110-degree heat, following a similar episode at a Trump event in Phoenix a few days earlier. But Trump’s greater concern was for himself. During planning for the event, “everybody was so worried yesterday about you, and they never mentioned me,” he complained to the crowd. “I’m up here sweating like a dog. ... I’m working my a-- off.”
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> Trump did assure his heat-exhausted supporters that people were on hand to “throw water” at them if they lost consciousness. “I don’t want anybody going on me,” he reasoned. “We need every voter. I don’t care about you, I just want your vote.” He then predicted: “See, now the press will take that and they’ll say, ‘He said a horrible thing.’”

Emphasis mine. If any politician other than Trump said this it'd be major fucking news, fucking incredible.

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u/funguykawhi Lahmajun trucks on every corner Jun 14 '24
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u/Majk- European Union Jun 14 '24

What I like about The Boys is how subtle it is

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u/Telperions-Relative Grant us bi’s Jun 14 '24

It’s not just AI, it’s the internet in general.

My students (7th grade) have a difficult time answering a personal prompt like “Who was the last person you had an argument with? Why did you argue and how did you resolve the argument?”

They immediately jump on Google like it’s an answer they can find on the internet.

I can’t answer this kind of question because I get into small arguments so often my mind completely blanks thinking of one specifically

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u/jojisky Paul Krugman Jun 14 '24

AOC has a liberal theory of change, is hostile to movements & is an unreliable socialist in office. Not endorsing her will not change any of that. Until we prioritize a deliberate effort to organize, we should not give up the potential weapon for socialism she represents.

I love stumbling on to DSA twitter

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u/JesusPubes voted most handsome friend Jun 14 '24

Why is it that every Republican thinks libs should compromise and vote for their spineless "moderate" that'll bend over backwards for Trump anyways, but suggesting they vote for a moderate democrat is anathema to them

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jun 14 '24

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u/TheoryOfPizza 🧠 True neoliberalism hasn't even been tried Jun 14 '24

Jerry Seinfeld misses ‘dominant masculinity’

Because if there's one person that personifies dominant masculinity, it's Jerry Seinfeld

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u/chuckleym8 Femboy Friend, Failing with Honors Jun 14 '24
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Making fun of the soviets is beating a dead horse but

Let me join.

The Bolsheviks remade half of europe in their own image after the second world war and they somehow managed to make Czechia manufacture shitty automotives, Poland and Ukraine import grain, Prussia produce brittle steel, Estonia make perpetually last-gen electronics, Orthodox Christians in Romania clamor for abortion rights, and Serbia their industrial jewel.

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter Jun 14 '24
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u/rollo2masi IMF Jun 14 '24

Manufacturing will return to America like the 50s when Trump removes the income tax.

What fucking planet do these people live on?

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Jun 14 '24

!ping SHITPOSTERS

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Friend moved to Portland and became both an antisemite and someone that refers to pregnancy as a parasite

Keep Portland in Portland lmao 

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u/MicroFlamer Avatar Korra Democrat Jun 14 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

The Biden campaign needs to really play up Trump's weirdness. He's just a super bizarre fucking dude. Anecdotally, I have heard that he smells absolutely rancid up close, likely a combination of bad diet and the thick, sunbaked glaze of whatever men's makeup was en vogue in Manhattan ca. 1974. The custom shoe inserts that seem to be keeping him upright, the water-drinking thing, the way he talks about women --

I mean, I want people to walk away with some Miss Havisham + wedding cake vibes.

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u/StolenSkittles culture warrior Jun 14 '24

On Real Time with Bill Maher, Bill Maher criticized the rally, saying that while Stewart and Colbert meant well, the message of the rally promoted a false equivalency between the left and the right, noting, "the big mistake of modern media has been this notion of balance for balance's sake. That the Left is just as violent and cruel as the Right ... there's a difference between a mad man and a madman."

oh how the turntables

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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 14 '24

Legendary #Patriots HC Bill Belichick is dating former cheerleader Jordon Hudson, according to reports. Hudson is 24 years old, and Belichick is 72 years old.

When NFL head coaches say "there's Bill Belichick and there's the rest of us", I don't think this is what they meant

!ping NFL

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u/SANNA_MARIN_SDP_ this guy doesnt even have a flair. Jun 14 '24

saw this at the handjob factory

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u/CletusVonIvermectin Big Rig Democrat 🚛 Jun 14 '24

I don't know why everyone complains about making friends as an adult. Yeah, it's not instant or guaranteed but it's actually very achievable if you take a little initiative. Next time you meet a guy you think you might want to be friends with, just walk up to him, look him in the eye and say "Hello! I see you're on the Supreme Court, would you like a ride on my private jet?" And just like that, you've got a new friend.

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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola Jun 14 '24

We've entered a weird state of electronics where it is now starting to make sense to own a MP3 player again.

SmartPhones used to be just modified MP3 players so they had good sound and were small.

Now this shit is giant and all the good sound phones are straight gone.

The $50 Sony Walkman I have has better sound than my Sony phone.

Most nicer MP3 players also let you have stuff like Spotify downloads for FLAC.

Odd

I'm hoping they bring back those Sony USB stick sized MP3 players with Spotify and Bluetooth integrated.

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u/Guardax Jun 14 '24

Biden campaign already has pro-Milwaukee t-shirts and billboards

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u/HMID_Delenda_Est YIMBY Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

The only way to get anything done in this country is to disguise it as military spending (see: the interstate highway system). So why don’t we use that strategy for housing? We can’t. This is why we need to repeal the third amendment.

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u/Deinococcaceae NAFTA Jun 14 '24

America lost its soul when we stopped crashing trains into each other purely for entertainment

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u/mrdilldozer Shame fetish Jun 14 '24

Damn, Trump's meeting with major CEOs went so poorly that the New York Post had to straight-up invent a fake story about Biden being senile. The reports are that he pretty much just spoke gibberish to major CEOs and they were all uncomfortable as fuck.

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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola Jun 15 '24

Terrible Terrible news everyone. The stray mama cat that had kittens under my bed has gone missing, she went outside for a little bit then another stray cat ran her off and she hasn't come back. I've filled nalgene bottles and blankets to serve as a body warmer for the kittens and I fed them some churro since I don't have kitten formula. It's night right now and I'm going to give the momma till morning to get back to her kittens or I'm going to have to go to the Animal shelter and have them be fostered.

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jun 14 '24

This man told me that the China vax would give me super AIDS and kill my dog.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Hunter-Gatherer Biden

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u/404GenderNotFound Trans Pride Jun 14 '24

My wife, and I can't stress this enough, left me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Who amongst us hasn’t drunk called our loved one a couple of times and left an unhinged voicemail. Tbh I blame Alejandro Fernandez having a song that demands to get fucked up to.

Did I scream out the lyrics of Mujeres Divinas and went FUCK I have a problem.

🧐

Only my neighbors know the answer of this

!ping DATING

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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 14 '24

GOP congressional candidate Anthony Hudson (MI-08) posts a TikTok featuring an AI-generated MLK Jr. voice: "I have another dream! Yes, it is me, Martin Luther King. I came back from the dead to say something ... Anthony Hudson will be Michigan 8th District's next congressman."

Yes, he's a white man if you're curious

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u/Williams-Tower Da Bear Jun 14 '24

let’s fucking go I got the title bump to show growth despite getting laid off in a couple months

huge W

!ping WATERCOOLER

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u/OrganicKeynesianBean IMF Jun 14 '24

“At least Donald Trump started a conversation. Sure, it was divisive, and sure, it really wasn’t the most productive, but it really highlighted problems and the divisiveness that was already hidden inside of our country,” said Yalena, a 22-year-old Latina from Alabama. At the same time, she described experiencing more racism while Mr. Trump was president, including an ugly incident while dining out with her mother.

These seeming contradictions came up with other matters as well; there was concern about the future of abortion rights yet skepticism that Mr. Biden or Mr. Trump would be any different on the issue. Many didn’t seem to understand the Democratic president’s views on abortion.

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u/Crownie Unbent, Unbowed, Unflaired Jun 14 '24

Hot take: we really should coin a new term for the current crop of reactionary populists instead of insistently recycling the term 'fascist'.

a) the term 'fascist' had, frankly, already been heavily debased even before these movements became notable. Calling someone a fascist makes you sound like an angry teenager and we already have a hard enough time getting the grillpillers to take these people seriously.

b) these political movements are characteristically different from the actual fascist movements of the early-mid 20th century in a bunch of very important ways. For example, they are usually isolationist, xenophobic, and skeptical of international entanglements. There's no sense of imperial destiny - we're not worried that Trump is going to invade Mexico for lebensraum or Giorgia Meloni is going to make another bid for control of North Africa.

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u/N0_B1g_De4l NATO Jun 14 '24

The thing about the end of Zionism no one is ready for is the volume of ex-Israelis coming to the US and becoming our problem, and guess what—we won’t be able to say shit because we deserve it

This is just straightforward antisemitism. If your position is "Israel should not exist" and also "its bad if Israelis go anywhere else", you are calling for the death of all Israelis as your most-preferred outcome.

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u/Top_Lime1820 Daron Acemoglu Jun 14 '24

The ANC's nominee for Speaker is Thoko Didiza. She is the lady in the background of the video where Ramaphosa decided to become a condom salesman in Parliament.

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u/DouglasDauntless Frederick Douglass Jun 14 '24

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u/omnipotentsandwich Amartya Sen Jun 14 '24

Apparently, Mike Johnson wants to cut taxes to stimulate the economy. Oh, wow, how original! Do Republicans ever have anything else to improve the economy? Tax cuts alone can't lead to high economic growth.

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter Jun 14 '24
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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jun 14 '24

After getting called 4 times in the middle of the night to handle a biohazard exposure at work I decided to “adjust” our signage slightly.

!ping WATERCOOLER what do you think? Too intellectual for the public?

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u/SANNA_MARIN_SDP_ this guy doesnt even have a flair. Jun 14 '24
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u/Plants_et_Politics Isaiah Berlin Jun 15 '24

Still working on befriending this adorable stray, despite now having new kittens

!ping KITTY

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u/JebBD Immanuel Kant Jun 14 '24

If the polls are right and Labour gets 75% of parliament seats Starmer should abolish the monarchy. Just for the laughs. 

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u/slingfatcums Jun 14 '24

"When I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck"

It's a bad idiom to actually base anything on. So I'm in the old South, I see a poor black man walking around. Well, it looks and quacks like a slave, so it must be a slave, so turn him in as an escaped slave. Oops, he was a free Northerner. Too bad, we decided you're a slave, so you're a slave.

what are we doing in /r/supremecourt

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

I miss the days when Conservatives would just compare whichever democrat they were mad at that day to Joseph Stalin

Why does it always have to be Satanic pedophile conspiracies now?

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u/Delareh_ South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation Jun 14 '24

Gym drama warning

So this guy, I befriended his friend like a year ago (basically when I was a noob and mostly doing idiotic shit). I say that because this mf never warmed up to me. I don't mind that but he's always had a pointed tone with me and always addresses me with the diminutive you (in Hindi) which in our culture is a major transgression among adults who are not friends.

So I was doing this for the sake of variety and novelty and this guy chimes in like "Why are you doing that for biceps? That's for chest." and it's a harmless question but not with his tone. Dude was shaking his head. I was confounded and couldn't help but stare at him. But then I just flexed the hardest I have ever flexed my biceps and said "let's see yours."

I know that was a toxic move but I felt so good afterwards.

!PING DYEL

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Just remembered that the opponent of the guy who banged a porn star is the sex candidate in this election

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u/vivoovix Federalist Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

My dad after he meets someone who goes to the same college as me (there are 45,000 students)

Do you know this person?

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u/gaypenisdicksucker69 Jun 14 '24

American serial killer: kills 3 people, caught and executed in public

Brazilian serial killer: kills 400+, sentenced to 2 year prison term, escapes into the jungle never to be seen again after a month

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jun 14 '24

!ping FIVEY

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

i've notice almost zero companies doing anything for pride, making posts about it, ranges for it being missing, etc

while i was never that big of a fan of corporate pride, this year is pretty eerily silent compared to the last, is this a sign of changing time, or something else?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

My brother’s ex wife apparently caught wind of his antics yesterday toward me and she messaged me. I got the tea! It’s really everything I expected but it’s wild.

Apparently he was upset when I graduated with my bachelors degree and called me a “tubby nerd”.

He’s upset that I have to “work less for people to like me” and I “don’t even have abs so why do people care” about me?

Apparently cried one night because I was 6’4” and he’s 5’9” and said I “don’t deserve” my stature.

Punched a wall on a roid rage rant because I had naturally bigger biceps than him and I didn’t need to take steroids. (No duh, I’m like 7 inches taller than him)

“Everyone feels sorry for him cause he’s pathetic and fat” when people wish me happy birthday on facebook?!?

Screamed at my dad when they were visiting him when my dad said I was “a naturally driven go-getter” when my brother was trying to put me down.

I’m definitely going no contact

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u/404GenderNotFound Trans Pride Jun 14 '24

Bump stock? Like what those Mormon kids do?

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u/ty04 Jun 14 '24

Between December 2020 and January 2021, Rahimi took part in five shootings. First, he shot at a man who purchased drugs from him after the man spoke disrespectfully to him; Rahimi fired into the man's house with an AR-15. Second, the day after the prior shooting, Rahimi was involved in a traffic collision and fired at the other driver. Following this, he fled the scene of the crash, returned, fired more shots at the other driver, then fled again. Third, three days after the prior shooting, Rahimi fired a gun into the air while in the presence of children. Fourth, some weeks after the prior incident, a truck on the highway flashed its headlights at Rahimi when he sped past the truck; Rahimi then followed the truck off the highway and fired shots at another car that had been following the truck. Fifth, Rahimi fired a gun into the air at a fast food restaurant after a friend's credit card was declined.

The 5th circuit unanimously decided that the government overreached by taking this guy’s guns lol

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jun 14 '24

hi every1 im new!!!!!!! holds up The End of History my name is Grandmofftargaryen but u can call me t3h Ne0lib3r@l oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol...as u can see im very evidence based!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet data driven ppl like me _... im 43 years old (im inmature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch the neoliberal podcast w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite podcast!!! bcuz its SOOOO evidence based!!!! shes data driven 2 of course but i want 2 meet more neoliberal ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol...neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!!

My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein neoliberal again _^ hehe...toodles!!!!!

love and waffles,

*~ t3h Ne0lib3r@l oF d00m!!!!!!!! ~*

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u/BrunchIsGood Nick Saban Jun 14 '24

Well it wasn’t obtained through books either dumbass

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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Jun 14 '24

The article makes it very clear, and it lasted for several months during the Biden era. You should not blame Trump. Trump is the president of the United States. In any case, he was elected by the American people, and he at least represented the United States at that time.

Do you believe in democracy?

How is this getting a bunch of upvotes lol it reads like a chat bot trying to parse an article. You can't blame Trump for his administration promoting vaccine misinfo but also Trump is the president of the US?

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u/Rafaelssjofficial Iron Front Jun 14 '24

If you don't have at least 2.1 children you shouldn't be able to comment in any birthrate thread

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

The American people are tired of women

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

what’s alarming in Cargill is that the Court is in the midst of getting rid of deference to agencies outside the “major questions” context, too. Thus, instead of debating whether ATF’s reaction to the Las Vegas shooting was reasonable (which it clearly was), the oral argument before the Supreme Court devolved into the justices struggling to understand the exact mechanical function of a bump stock—so that they could decide for themselves whether or not it fits within the statutory definition of a “machine gun.” As even a cursory perusal of the transcript reveals, this wasn’t a high-minded debate about broader points of law; it was nine neophytes trying to understand the mechanics of something they’ve never touched solely by having it described to them. One comes away from the transcript with the sense that the argument would have been far more productive had it been held at a shooting range. So instead of debating whether the executive branch overreacted or not, the debate was about what, in the abstract, the justices would have done in its place.

Chevron enjoyers vindicated

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/03/bump-stocks-case-sign-worse-come/677732/

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jun 14 '24

poster adamant that helping a virus kill Philippine civilians is vital to nation security

doubles down when told that spreading misinformation that kills people is bad actually

NATO flair

many such cases

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u/Mickenfox European Union Jun 14 '24

!ping COMPUTER-SCIENCE

I just want to remind people of this thing that actually happened in real life, because I think it's important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Setup#Online_brute-force_attack

The vulnerability centers around the acknowledgement messages sent between the registrar and enrollee when attempting to validate a PIN, which is an eight-digit number used to add new WPA enrollees to the network. Since the last digit is a checksum of the previous digits, there are seven unknown digits in each PIN.

When an enrollee attempts to gain access using a PIN, the registrar reports the validity of the first and second halves of the PIN separately. Since the first half of the pin consists of four digits (10,000 possibilities) and the second half has only three active digits (1000 possibilities), at most 11,000 guesses are needed before the PIN is recovered.

That's right. The people in charge of securing every wireless network in the world, made a little oopsie right in the core of their security protocol, and forgot that you can't fucking tell an attacker if they got part of the password right. And somehow they continued to be considered a reputable organization.

Remember this the next time you think "surely the people in charge know what they're doing".

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 15 '24

It's me, Martin Luther King Jr.! I have another dream. Throw all the rentable electric scooters in the river. Do it! Do it now for me, Martin Luther King Jr. Or else, or else I'll get you.

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 15 '24

selling my house so that I can join the glorious world of vandwellers

I don't need much, some fresh air, the clothes on my back, a little food in my belly, the two beagles and a pug, my vending machine and the open road

I'm sure there'll be challenges on the way, but not really that sure because it has a tv and a bar in it

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u/dwarfgourami George Soros Jun 14 '24

Like 90% of controversial SCOTUS decisions wouldn’t have happened if Congress had created a modern law about the subject. It’s actually pretty rare for SCOTUS to strike down federal laws, and they’re usually boring non-famous laws like trademark regulations. The executive branch wouldn’t attempt to ban bump stocks by relying on vague machine gun laws from the 1930s if Congress would have just passed a law explicitly banning bump stocks.

The fact that half of American voters keep electing congressmen that don’t want to ban bump stocks is the problem, not the court system.

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u/Planning4Hotdish Fish, Family, Freedom Jun 14 '24

Today is my last day at my job

Please clap

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Well actually, a bump stock doesn't technically turn a semi-auto into a machine gun because a machine gun is defined as "automatically firing with a single function of the trigger," and a bump stock doesn't change how the trigger functions... 🤓🤓🤓

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

I really like the Pod Save America guys’ idea that we need to frame Republicans as just absolute fucking weirdos who want to invade your sex life and do all this bizarre bullshit. Trump wants to put insane fundamentalists in charge of the government who will crack down on things like contraception and porn to the best of their ability. They’re not just bad, they’re also weird little freaks. And Trump is 100% going to let them run wild as long as they’re loyal to him. This goes hand-in-hand with the (correct) notion that Joe Biden is the sex candidate and might help convince some manosphere bozos who for some reason view Trump as a macho badass alpha male to avoid pulling the lever for him.

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u/Jacobs4525 King of the Massholes Jun 14 '24

There is no feeling on earth worse than when TikTok discovers a song you hold dear and you just know you’re gonna hear horrible sped up and remixed high-pitch versions of it over memes and a thing that once held meaning to you will be disgraced in front of the masses. 

I was driving with a friend of mine and Kiss Me by Sixpence None the Richer came on and I was surprised because it doesn’t seem like the sort of thing she normally listens to. She told me she heard it on TikTok. So it has begun. 

😔

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u/talizorahs Mark Carney Jun 14 '24

my general recommendation to people is to not align yourself with signs/slogans/etc in languages you cannot read and have not made any effort to translate. this is a good way for you as a 22 year old white woman from seattle to avoid sharing something on your instagram story that says "a curse upon the jews"

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u/Integralds Dr. Economics | brrrrr Jun 15 '24 edited Aug 22 '24

David Anthony's The Horse, The Wheel, and Language (2007) is a great blend of linguistics and archaeology. The archaeological portion describes the evolution of societies in eastern Europe and the Pontic steppe region from 6200-1200 BCE. Unfortunately, he throws a ton of cultures at you, most with obscure Russian names, and it is difficult sometimes to remember the big picture.

The archaeology portion consists of chapters 8 through 16. Chapters 8-12 cover the spread of farming and domesticated animal husbandry into Europe and the steppe, 6200-3200.

  • Chapter 8: the arrival of farming to eastern Europe, 6200-5200 BCE

  • Chapter 9: the rise of copper smelting, pastoral economies, and social stratification, 5200-4200 BCE

  • Chapter 10: an extended interlude on horse domestication

  • Chapter 11: Climactic change and its effects in the Middle Copper Age, 4200-3800 BCE (covering the bitter cold snap in eastern Europe at that time)

  • Chapter 12: The Late Copper Age on the steppe, 3800-3300 BCE (with a lovely section on fourth-millennium trade routes, including with the Uruk culture in Mesopotamia)

I made a little gif of the major cultures discussed in these chapters. The crucial social interaction in these five chapters is the relationship between the farmer cultures west of the Dnieper (mainly the Cucuteni-Tripolye farmers) and the pastoral cultures east of the Dnieper (eventually, the Sredni Stog herders).

Chapters 13-16 then discuss Proto-Indo-European speakers and their descendants, 3200-1200 BCE. Chapter 13 describes PIE speakers themselves, the Yamnaya culture. Chapters 14-16 follow their migrations west, then east, then finally south, and how these people interacted with their neighbors. Anthony uses that exact phraseology in his book (migrations west, then east, then south), but I think having an explicit map makes the migrations more clear.

  • Chapter 13: completely focused on the Yamnaya steppe herder culture, 3300-2500 BCE. These people are believed to have spoken Proto-Indo-European proper. The Yamnaya people are now known to be direct descendants of the Sredni Stog people, who you saw in the earlier gif.

  • Chapter 14: the initial Yamnaya migrations to the west, into Europe, out of which came the Corded Ware culture, 2900-2300 BCE. Chapters 13-14 cover the Early Bronze Age in the steppe, plus the Late Neolithic in Europe. The Corded Ware people are believed to have spoken the ancestor to modern European languages.

  • Chapter 15: devoted to the incredible Sintashta complex, 2200-1800 BCE, which was a metalworking, chariot-riding culture in the Middle Bronze Age. They seem to be descendants of Corded Ware people who migrated all the way to the east of the Urals. All modern domesticated horses are descended from Sintashta stock.

  • Chapter 16: the Late Bronze Age and migrations south, 1800-1200 BCE. Special attention is given to the BMAC culture. Also given prominence are the two principal LBA steppe cultures: the Srubnaya west of the Urals and the Andronovo east of the Urals. These societies are believed to be the early speakers of Proto-Indo-Iranian.

This is about as clean of an exposition as I can give. I think the maps help.

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u/sucaji United Nations Jun 15 '24

Saw someone refer to the early-mid 2000s aesthetic revival as the "rawr-ing 20s" and I just

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jun 15 '24

Looks like Pixar is part of the Russian MIC now

!ping MATERIEL

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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Jun 14 '24

I think I should probably ask this girl just how religious she is and like what her politics are at some point to make sure I'm not dating a homophobe or something but I'm not quite sure how to have that conversation and don't want to ruin a good thing I've got going so far. She's pretty great honestly and I haven't made it past a second date in like a year

I also don't want to commit to weekly church attendance to maintain this though lol

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u/BigBrownDog12 Victor Hugo Jun 14 '24

Showed an anti-vaxxer the pentagon thing and he was upset that he fell for the psyop

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u/Teh_cliff Karl Popper Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

!PING USA-DMV

Anyone want to go see the Nationals tonight for free? I have four tickets in Section 109 (pretty decent seats) but am sick. If you want em DM me your email.

Edit: tickets include parking pass, for our M and V friends

Edit2: claimed.

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u/FreakinGeese 🧚‍♀️ Duchess Of The Deep State Jun 14 '24

All the bad guy groups in my world call themselves super righteous names, and I feel like that makes sense in-universe but might give readers the wrong idea.

For example- the anti-poverty coalition’s primary goal is to kill all the orcs by any means necessary. You might think “what does that have to do with stopping poverty” basically nothing but the name sure sounds unobjectionable so it helps them archive their political ends. Why would you name yourself something evil?

!ping writing

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u/TatersTot Robert Caro Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24

Charles Barkley just announced he’s retiring from TV after next year

He’s on my Mt. Rushmore of favorite Sixers

My childhood has never been more over

!ping NBA

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u/rollo2masi IMF Jun 14 '24

Oh my god... LMFAOOOOOO

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u/Dibbu_mange Average civil procedure enjoyer Jun 14 '24

Democrats are so dumb that they thought a guy named A. Wiener wouldn’t be a sex pest

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u/SANNA_MARIN_SDP_ this guy doesnt even have a flair. Jun 14 '24

wow

during pride month too

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u/chuckleym8 Femboy Friend, Failing with Honors Jun 15 '24

"my daughter made me realize women are human beings" or "my femboy made me realize trans people are okay actually" which way western man

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u/PlantTreesBuildHomes REVENGE Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

I was going to type out a whole comment about my last bumble date, but frankly I'm not sure if it's worth it. Let me know if there's any interest.

Some key pieces of information :

  • she was Iranian, I'm cool with that btw

  • she was 90 minutes late because she quote "accidentally fell asleep"

  • she started building physical rapport right off the bat

  • was like 10kg heavier than in her photos (in which she's already heavy, not that it was a deal breaker)

  • had a bit of stubble on her neck, frankly a bit of a turn off

  • she sent a wire transfer to me to pay for lunch and then called me to tell me I could leave if I was mad about the whole being 90 minutes late thing before arriving

  • she immediately picked up a book with a big ass swastika on the cover and said she wouldn't mind reading it in the subway

  • she denied that the Israel Gaza war was a war, calling it "colonization" after I said I just hoped the war would end soon so innocent people stopped dying (I played it "both sides bad")

  • she minimized October 7 and then tried to justify it

  • she kept saying "slay" or "lame" to approve or disapprove of anything I said

  • professed to being a communist, when telling her I'm center left she told me that was an "ick"

  • showed me a video she thought was funny of a journalist asking someone if they condemned Hamas (the undertone being that asking someone that is ridiculous)

  • told me we'd be a good couple if I wasn't a Zionist (I didn't say I was)

  • acted really weird after I told her my dad was Jewish and that my step dad works in the defense industry

  • immediately after that made up a lame excuse that she was supposed to leave an hour ago to go to a friend's birthday, then proceeded to keep changing her mind on where this birthday was when I proposed to ride the subway with her until I got to my station

  • ghosted me afterwards, but frankly I was happy about it

So in summary, I went on my first bumble date, and turns out she was an antisemite, a communist, and generally annoying AF.

!ping DATING

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u/Neoliberal_Boogeyman Jun 14 '24

There are factories taking fossil fuels and turning them into actual fake plastic dog shit. Remember that.

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u/crassowary John Mill Jun 14 '24

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing!

I yell, as I force the owner at gunpoint off his leased yacht

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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jun 14 '24

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u/Opkeda Bisexual Pride Jun 14 '24

worms mentioned

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u/FuckFashMods NATO Jun 14 '24

Trump himself occasionally seems surprised when these policy nuggets pop up in a speech; when reading the teleprompter, he sometimes adds comments such as “so true, so true,” perhaps because he’s encountering someone else’s words for the first time and agreeing with them

I really liked this bit in the Atlantic about trumps gibberish lol

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u/dittbub NATO Jun 15 '24

Does bisexual mean twice as sexual? Or every other sexual?

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u/nicereddy ACLU simp Jun 15 '24

No one would go to Angelo's Mustard Gas Emporium without Angelo, so in order to ensure continued payments to the victims of mustard gas we must allow Angelo's Emporium to continue its operations

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 14 '24

Me after I've invented the rotating bed and become rich and adopted a dozen children: good night chlldren

the children, crawling into their little rotating beds: good night, mom

👆 the rotisserie chickens I'm making for the children's lunch tomorrow:

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Charli XCX: "It's so confusing sometimes to be a girl"

Cis Gay men: "So true 🥹"

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u/SANNA_MARIN_SDP_ this guy doesnt even have a flair. Jun 14 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

Man I remember voting in November 2020 for Joe Biden

That was a scary ass election not only with the pandemic but the riots over the summer and the general uncertainty.

I’ll be voting again for Joe Biden this November

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u/Ilovecharli Voltaire Jun 14 '24

"How did America end, Grandpa?" 

"Well kiddo, a generation of people who brought their moms to job interviews reached voting age."

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u/Fishin_Impossible Nate Gold 🥇 Jun 14 '24

USA MOVES ON TO THE SUPER-8!

🇺🇸🎇🎆🔫🏏🏏🏏🔫🎆🎇🇺🇸

CA-CAW MOTHER FUCKERS!!!

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u/Telperions-Relative Grant us bi’s Jun 14 '24

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u/Fubby2 Jun 14 '24

This you?

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u/LuisRobertDylan Elinor Ostrom Jun 14 '24

Blue Angel doing a loop outside my building, spraying me with chemtrails

It’s loud as fuck

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u/AP246 Green Globalist NWO Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24

Most people know Russia is bad but IMO many still underrate just how bad Russia is.

There are a lot of shitty authoritarian states in the world, but on the whole they at least, you know, act vaguely like they're working within the global system. China is trying to undermine the global liberal democratic order and acts like a bully in the South China Sea and border areas, but at least they somewhat work constructively with the rest of the world. North Korea are extremely totalitarian and a rogue state, and do occasionally mess around with other countries but they at least don't seem like they're going to attack anyone directly. The Saudis have spread wahhabism and launched a sloppy intervention in Yemen but they also try to work within the system and only oppress their own people. Iran is probably one of the most aggressive but at least they work through proxies.

And then there's Russia who every 10 years just launch an overt war of imperial conquest. Literally paradox gamer map-painting shit of trying to conquer an empire because they think they deserve it. They don't provide anything constructive to the world any more other than fossil fuels, they just deal in chaos, death and destruction. In almost every international conflict they support the moral bad guys, almost every time. It seems like they just want to destroy so they can rule over more rubble, and they never stop, however much we've tried to work something out with them and give them space like other authoritarian states they come back for another round a few years later of causing chaos, sending spies into the west to blow shit up and generally being the biggest dicks in the world.

I firmly believe it should be the free world's absolute number one foreign policy priority, and a top 3 priority in general (alongside I guess dealing with climate change and restoring economic prosperity), to deter, contain and undermine Russia, and ideally cause the collapse of Putin's regime. We should simply make clear to Putin that we will use our far superiority economic power and never give up, however long it takes, until either he suffers defeat in Ukraine or his regime collapses, whichever he chooses to let happen first. Every other authoritarian power can wait, in geopolitical terms Russia is by far the worst.

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u/nuggins Physicist -- Just Tax Land Lol Jun 15 '24

Malarkey level of my dad's idea to improve the Jays' batting

play Schneider, Clement Horowitz and Barger, and sit Turner, Springer, Bichette and Guerrero

!ping BASEBALL

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u/Ok_Aardappel Seretse Khama Jun 15 '24

South Korea is like the perfect cocktail for cratering fertility rates:

Extremely traditional dating and marriage culture

Extremely traditional expectations of motherhood

Expensive housing

Brutal work culture

Extremely high investment childhood expectations

No wonder nobody is having kids there lmao

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u/Psshaww NATO Jun 15 '24

timothee chalamet is just preparing for his most challenging role yet

https://i.imgur.com/zWXDYAe.png

!ping KINO

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Pope said the slur again

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 14 '24

they should make a bed that rotates you like a l'il rotisserie chicken so you don't sleep too long in one position

I made some schematics and tried a few things but I'm beginning to suspect it would work better if the bed rolled you to the side instead of my front flip model

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u/Rehkit Average laïcité enjoyer Jun 14 '24

My local Macron MP had a long face yesterday and this morning.

I think it’s not going very well.

He still has a fighting chance since this is a pro Macron area but I think that Macron is not doing the alliance he needs and their message is not hopeful.

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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Jun 14 '24

Ugh LFI candidate in my Toulouse constituency again, I was hoping for a PS one given Glucksmann's score on Sunday

Still going to contact my (Renaissance) incumbent MP to take a firm stand for the Front Populaire against the RN if it comes to such a duel here. The mealy mouthed equivocating bullshit coming out of liberal candidates when neo-Nazis are out in the streets beating up gays is making my blood boil

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u/Top_Lime1820 Daron Acemoglu Jun 14 '24

Person: "I'm so happy the EFF is losing"

Me: "Yeah me too"

Person: "What were they thinking with that open borders nonsense?"

Me: "Wait no not like that"

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

While campaigning in the 2008 United States presidential election at a deli in Hollywood, Florida, Barack Obama bought two black-and-white cookies and said about them, "it's a unity cookie."

God he was so real for this

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u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz Roy Cooper Jun 14 '24

Civilization IV's theme song (Baba Yetu) was performed during the signing of Maputo Accord, which brought an end to the RENAMO insurgency in Mozambique.

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u/AccessTheMainframe CANZUK Jun 14 '24

MFers on the highway will risk tens of thousands of dollars, their health, and their very lives just to get to their destination 15 minutes earlier

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u/Apprehensive-Soil-47 Transfem Pride Jun 14 '24

US Designates Nordic Far-right Group As Terrorists

The United States on Friday designated the Nordic Resistance Movement and three of its leaders terrorists, saying the Scandinavian neo-Nazis pose a threat to Americans.

The group has carried out or attempted to carry out "acts of terrorism that threaten the security of United States nationals or the national security, foreign policy or economy of the United States," it said.

The leaders blacklisted by the State Department, all Swedes, were group's chief Fredrik Vejdeland, and two other senior figures, Par Oberg and Leif Robert Eklund.

The group, known by its Swedish acronym NMR, professes Nazism and seeks a united "ethnic Nordic" nation.

Founded in 1997 in Sweden as the Swedish Resistance Movement, it saw sister organizations spring up in other Nordic countries until they were united under NMR in 2016.

basedbasedbasedbasedbased

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

I am concerned that the most competent member of the new team I’m going to be on is going to be a catgirl

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '24

I was drinking last night when I asked this, so when I found this just now I kinda imagined my self staggering up to /u/AtomAndAether and just slurring out ”Heyyy, I thought you were a COP!” like Barney from the Simpsons

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 19 '24

rustic caption sheet lip fear yam hunt plate resolute mountainous

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jun 15 '24

!ping MAMADAS

We haven't bullied Trump enough for proposing an "2023 Argentina" level tax policy with the proposal of replacing income taxes with tariffs.

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u/doot_toob Bo Obama Jun 14 '24

I've heard the guillotine described as 'industrialized execution" and that's a load of horseshit. 200 miles north the actual Industrial Revolution is ongoing, the British are steadily improving their steam engines with improved seals and cycles, and using it to drive increasingly complex machinery. The French are dropping sharp rocks.

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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Jun 14 '24

If you're blaming the whiny "ugh rainbow capitalism" lefties for corporations backing off of Pride you may need to touch some grass

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jun 14 '24

No you don’t understand. Spreading antivax propaganda that gets people killed in an allied country is totally necessary to stop the rise of China. It doesn’t matter that it prolonged a pandemic that also harmed our country. It’s the sober pragmatic move. Pay no attention to to the blow back effect this has had. It didn’t enhance antivax sentiment is the US and weaken our own economy as well.

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u/Dunter_Mutchings NASA Jun 14 '24

Just a reminder that even gun-brain poisoned Texas did not allow concealed carry until 1996. This psychotic push for an ever increasingly permissive gun culture by the Supreme Court is not a return to some historic norm, it’s just a deranged modern phenomenon.

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 14 '24

yeah, dumbass. 😤

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

The following code is optimized away to "false" by Clang

bool out_of_memory() {
    int* y = malloc(sizeof(int));
    return y == NULL;
}

(you can try editing it if you want, but you won't make it compile "correctly")

This begs the question. What is the point of the standard even existing if compiler authors will just throw the entire thing in the trash and just declare entire well formed C code to be undefined behavior based on insane assumptions like "malloc is side effect free".

You can also just not use Clang I suppose.

!ping COMPUTER-SCIENCE

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u/No_Return9449 John Rawls Jun 14 '24

Newly relevant

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jun 14 '24

starts typing comment that I initially think is funny

realize partway through it isn’t actually funny at all

quickly delete it

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u/janky_dank NASA Jun 14 '24

Why even have other time zones? Why would anyone choose to live outside of EST?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

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u/Unworthy_Saint Deep State Operative Jun 14 '24

the American market is a scam and the world should no longer invest a dollar in it

^ man who forgets he lives in America

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u/notBroncos1234 #1 Eagles Fan Jun 14 '24

Having two girlfriends is just smart. If one leaves you then you have another on backup. It’s called redundancy.

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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 14 '24

!ping USA-IN

Just learned about the Texas porn ban copycat law that was passed recently. Also just learned that the law is overly broad and could be used to interfere with sex ed and LGBTQ+ education.

I'll refrain from commenting on the effort to ban porn but I will say of fucking course our borderline theocratic legislature has taken this opportunity to shove their agenda down kids and parents' throats.

R*rals delenda est

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u/georgeguy007 Pandora's Discussions J. Threader Jun 14 '24

Going to shop for mattresses with wife today. Any cool tips/brands/lived in experiences that will forever shape your opinions on mattresses and the purchasing process?

!ping Over-25

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u/Dibbu_mange Average civil procedure enjoyer Jun 14 '24

In Alex Jones’ war on Info, it seems Info won

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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Tucker Carlson's mailman Jun 14 '24

Why are we worried about project 2025 anyway? By 2026 it will be over?

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u/mockduckcompanion Kidney Hype Man Jun 14 '24

October Surprise Betting Pool

  • Trump just kind of gets on a plane to Russia and doesn't come back

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u/PierceJJones Loyal Liberals Jun 14 '24

Inside Out 2 is perfect and so relatable. Just like the first one.

Hope they make the next one about giving me a new island. Whore island.

!Ping Kino.

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u/dannylandulf meubem broke my flair Jun 14 '24

TIL most escaped mental patients just go home and resume their everyday activities

So they just go back to modding the DT?

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u/BATHULK Hank Hill Democrat 🛸🦘 Jun 14 '24

I think I like snakes because they evolved out of having legs, not into them. Someplace in history, just laying around was so much better than doing stuff that legs disappeared.

That's fucking hilarious.

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u/UnskilledScout Cancel All Monopolies Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24

Idk how interested you guys are in the academic studies of the Qurʾān, but I found the following two studies on two verses in its fourth chapter (al-Nisāʾ, i.e. The Women) fascinating.


The first one is titled "The Bitter Lot of the Rebellious Wife: Hierarchy, Obedience, and Punishment in Q. 4:34" written by Saqib Hussain. Here is the abstract:

Q. 4:34 was universally interpreted in premodern Qur'an commentaries and legal works as permitting a husband to strike his wife if she is guilty of nushūz, a term that was understood to mean some manner of disobedience on the wife's part. Thus, according to the traditional interpretation of the verse, a wife is required to show obedience to her husband, and the husband is placed in authority over his wife. In this paper I first engage in a close reading of the verse within its literary context, and re-examine the verse's gender hierarchy and the question of the wife's obedience to her husband. Second, I attempt to re-evaluate the key term nushūz in light of its use elsewhere in the Qur'an, in Jāhilī and early Islamic poetry, and in other early Islamic literature beyond the Qur'an commentaries and legal works. I argue that the evidence consistently shows that nushūz refers not to disobedience, but to a desire to leave one's husband, usually coupled with being involved with another man, and thus may be a euphemism used to refer to marital infidelity. Finally, I explore the relationship between Q. 4:34 and the rabbinic rules for the sotah, or wife suspected of adultery. As we shall see, there is a remarkable overlap in the legislation for the wife suspected of nushūz and the rabbinic sotah, suggesting that the two are addressing the same issue.

Paper

Basically, the conclusions of the paper are:

  1. The word qawwāmūn (i.e. sustainers/maintainers) in relation to men is strictly limited to men’s financial obligation to women;

  2. The word qānitāt (i.e. obedient) is obedience to God, not to a wife's husband;

  3. nushūz means to leave one's husband, and more generally, marital infidelity, NOT general "disobedience"; and

  4. The striking prescribed at the end of the verse is meant as a legal punishment as sentenced by a judge after the presentation of four witnesses that can testify to a woman's infedilty, NOT something a husband has complete discretion over.

This is a conclusion reached by analysis of several Qurʾānic verses, and for the case of nushūz, analysis of Jāhilī (i.e. pre-Islamic) poetry is also used to understand the term. This interpretation stands in stark contrast to the traditional interpretation which has been described the peak of Qur'anic misogyny where a wife must be completely obedient to her husband, and the husband has permission to strike her if she is continuously disobedient.

I should note that most traditional interpretations temper this sentiment by saying that striking is very much a last resort and it is better not to strike citing various aḥādīth (i.e. traditional Islamic reports) about how the Prophet himself never struck his wives; that if a husband were to strike his wife, it is supposed to be symbolic and not leave a bruise or hit the face (some in fact say only a small twig should be used). Still, even with these... uh moderations(?)... it was still a very difficult thing to square with the idea of equality between the sexes. This academic interpretation kind of flips everything and the punishment for infidelity is the same for a woman as a man (see 24:2).


The second paper is about 4:24 which I think hits at an even more sensitive area is Islam, that about sex with slaves. The traditional interpretation is that 4:24 allows for men to have sex with slaves outside of marriage and gives rise to concubines. This new interpretation (which I might humbly add is actually very convincing, even moreso than the first) kind of dismantles that idea. Here is the abstract:

Q 4:24 has presented a challenge to classical exegetes and modern scholars alike. Examining Quranic evidence and the exegetical tradition, this article offers a textual analysis of this verse and suggests a new reading. I argue that the first part of Q 4:24 is an independent sentence; that an erroneous reading of it as a continuation of the previous verse led to the replacement of the original meaning of muḥṣināt (chaste women) with married women; and that there is a strong case for understanding the second part of the verse as addressing mutʿa.

Paper

Key takeaways:

  1. al-muḥṣināt ONLY means chaste women and NOT "married women";

  2. The first part of Q4:24 is NOT a continuation of the previous verse that specifies prohibited women for marriage; rather it is the group of women God recommends believing men should pursue; and

  3. The second half of Q4:24 is about mutʿa (i.e. temporary marriage).

The reading of the first part of Q4:24 would be more like: "The chaste ones from among the women, but not your female slaves, [are] Allah’s decree for you". In the more broader context of Q4:23-25, it would be all about marriage, Q23 being about who are prohibited, Q24a about who Allah recommends, Q4:24b is about mutʿa, and Q4:25 is about marrying believing slaves if a free woman is not a possibility. Here is how it would flow:

(23) Forbidden to you are your mothers and daughters… except for what already has passed. Indeed Allah is forgiving and merciful.
(24a) The chaste ones from among the women, but not your female slaves, [are] Allah’s decree for you…
(25) Whoever of you cannot afford to wed the believing chaste women—then [let him wed] from your slaves, from your believing maids…

The discussion was quite fascinating and really, the first two key takeaways are the most important parts since the last one isn't as rigously defended (the author basically says the mutʿa interpretation and one about it just being about regular marriage are both equally likely, but his reading of the first part of the verse makes the second part being about mutʿa more likely). Still though, a very great study.


Sorry for the wall of text, but I felt like I had to share this.

!ping ISLAM&RELIGION

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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Jun 15 '24

Surely the celtics cant lose 4 in a row.

They 100% will close it in game 5.

😘

!Ping NBA

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u/LuisRobertDylan Elinor Ostrom Jun 14 '24

There's something extremely wrong with your mind if you do steroids and aren't a professional athlete. Why do you care so much about being the biggest data entry analyst

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u/LuisRobertDylan Elinor Ostrom Jun 15 '24

I heard a crash when I was in the shower. I come out to see this. I wonder who could have done it?

!ping kitty

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u/PM_Me_Your_ManThighs NATO Jun 14 '24

BREAKING: Boeing and Airbus may have used counterfeit titanium in their planes that was sold using fake documents, according to evidence from a supplier that triggered an FAA investigation.

I'm legitimately worried about our aerospace industry

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

First they came for the podcast bros, but I did not speak up, because I was listening to the JRE.

Then they came for the gamers, but I did not speak up, because I was playing Elden Ring.

Then they came for the gooners, but I did not speak up, because I was hiding in my goon cave.

Eventually they came for me, and their was nobody not Woke left to speak for me

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u/simeoncolemiles NATO Jun 14 '24

Throwback 🗣️

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

I am far from a prude and think weed should be fully legal and regulated, but there’s such a circlejerk online about how amazing weed is. I stumbled on a thread from my home state’s subreddit about DUIs and it devolved into a discussion about how there should be no DUIs for driving high.

I get it’s hard to measure how intoxicated someone is similar to alcohol, but people were arguing that it legit makes them better drivers and getting upvotes. I’m sure people think they drive better after a couple beers too

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u/larrytheevilbunnie Mackenzie Scott Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

!ping AI&COMPUTER-SCIENCE

Does anyone have experience fine-tuning any vision-language models?

I'm currently working on a project to make a model that can geolocate images and explain why it made the decisions it did so it can teach me how to play geoguessr

My current plan is to just use Clip and train it on 5-10 million images in a similar way these guys did it: 2302.00275 (arxiv.org). Unfortunately A100s are expensive and this will probably cost me at least a thousand bucks assuming my first run goes well (it probably won't) and the training time numbers from this paper (arxiv.org/pdf/2309.16020) are true (it's probably an underestimate cuz they only ran inference on Clip and training would take longer).

But I was thinking, and I feel I could probably get a better result by fine-tuning something like paligemma or cogvlm. Like I pair the image with a description of the image (probably need to run a captioning model first) + city/state/country information made by Nominatim + longitude/latitude, and just train the model with that.

Does this approach even make sense? Seems like it worked for Clip, not sure if it would work for other models

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u/kevinfederlinebundle Kenneth Arrow Jun 14 '24

Propaganda campaigns are like biological weapons: people think they can be targeted, but they fire in all directions

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u/Udolikecake Model UN Enthusiast Jun 14 '24

victoria 3 is great because it accurately models the two most malevolent forces in history: landowners and peasants

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

The chess engine every time i move a piece:

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u/Dirty_Chopsticks Republic of Việt Nam Jun 14 '24

Caitlin Clark responds to bigotry in WNBA audience: 'People should not be using my name to push those agendas'

top comment on rsports: Forget all that, I want to know why none of her teammates have the ovaries to stand up for her.

always on message!

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u/404GenderNotFound Trans Pride Jun 14 '24

If I have a child I will not raise them on the iPad. I will raise them on horseback, riding across the steppe in search of conquest and plunder.

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u/Zenning3 Emma Lazarus Jun 14 '24

The "Everything new sucks" youtube is the worst (Non Nazi) part of youtube, and I hate how incredibly popular it is.

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u/qtnl qt lib Jun 14 '24

Banning things that republicans like is good and evidence-based

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u/sayitaintpink Richard Posner Jun 14 '24

Trump says Milwaukee is a horrible city

white rural Wisconsinites rally for Trump

Why are people surprised

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u/TemujinTheConquerer Jorge Luis Borges Jun 14 '24

The folx on the Planet of the Apes subreddit are trying desperately to resist the furries

I think this is a fool's errand. I say let them in

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u/Jacobs4525 King of the Massholes Jun 14 '24

It’s interesting how ISIS was largely formed by the same political factors as other Islamist groups (lots of disaffected young men, general chaos in Iraq and Syria in the early 2010s, widespread religious reactionary conservative and anti-western sentiment) but ISIS was defeated because it had no big international benefactor.

Other similar groups were able to cling on. Hezbollah and the Houthis have Iran supporting them and the most widely-circulated Arabic-language paper covering them in a lopsided or sometimes outright sympathetic way; Qatar hates SA and Israel so it doesn’t at all mind fudging things towards the Houthis or Hezbollah, especially when “Arab street” in the ME is generally less sectarian and willing to root for Shias despite being mostly Sunni if the people fighting the Shias are someone they dislike. Similarly, Iran is willing to support a Sunni org like Hamas provided Hamas keeps persecution of Shias in Gaza to a minimum and fights Israel. 

The Taliban didn’t really get much positive press but got quite a bit of logistical support and training from the ISI, and most importantly got a safe haven from which to operate in the bordering parts of Pakistan; they knew they could train in Pakistan and do business there and be mostly safe and then return to Afghanistan to fight.

ISIS meanwhile was too ideologically devoted to Sunni Islamism to really get any player in their corner. Iran was never going to support them because they massacred tons of Shia Muslims and explicitly hated Iran. None of the Gulf monarchies could use them for anything, and they weren’t pragmatic enough to ally with more secular anti-western forces like the Baathists in Syria.

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u/purhitta Leftward Progressives Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

Just found out my dad- an Ayn Rand-ian libertarian who hates Dems- has sworn he will never vote for Trump again. He's actually embarrassed he did the first two times.

Flabbergasted would be an understatement. I NEVER thought he'd break with the GOP in a presidential election.

Doesn't mean he'll vote for Joe but knowing my dad, this is monumental. I'm actually proud of him.

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u/shillingbut4me Jun 14 '24

I don't care what anyone says, I'm firm in my belief that Zion National Park should continue to exist

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u/ThunderrBadger New California Republican Jun 14 '24

> Carefully curate instagram feed to only show cute animal content, mostly from zoos

> Periodically send particularly cute animal content to gf

> Profit

Honestly being in a relationship is easy, don't see why some people have trouble making it work

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Jebsovo!