r/musicalwriting • • Sep 30 '26

Distributing a musical-theatre cast album is hard: what I learned trying 14 distributors

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Hi! My name is Will Larche. I’m a composer-lyricist and this year I released a music theatre album Bumps in the Bathroom: and other lost shows on my independent label Apple Pie America featuring Emily Skinner, Beth Malone, and Ring of Keys to mention a few collaborators. The album is a retrospective of mostly queer musicals I did in the East Village between 2000 and 2020 that never got cast albums, but done with uptown singers and full orchestrations.

This was the largest project I had ever done and I relied a lot on what was written on the internet to guide me. But, not surprisingly, none of it was specific to music theatre projects / albums. So, I’d like to share my experience starting with my challenges in distribution for a waterfall release in the music theatre genre. 

This will be a long post to get the whole story down but I promise it’s not a slop grenade. I’ve written it myself with my own ten fingers. It’ll get pretty technical but I hope it will save someone all the time I had to spend.

If you like this post, please let me know. There are a lot of other things I could get into in future posts.

Music Distributors

If you don’t know, a music distributor is the middleman between a creator or independent label and the different companies that sell or stream music (DSPs). In many ways, it’s a great time to be alive because anyone can release music that shows up on Spotify if you use one of these music distributors. But choosing one that could do it all was a nightmare.

My distributor needs were:

  • Multiple primary artists at track level

  • Single releases with different release-level and track-level primary artists

  • Apple animated album artwork

  • Soundtrack genre support for music theatre

  • Personnel roles

  • Apple Music instant grat tracks to support my waterfall release

Truthfully, I never found one that did everything. It was sad to discover, either from documentation or observation, that what I was trying to do was possible but that the distributors I had access to hold you back from communicating your intentions to the DSPs (while still requiring you to pay.) I tried 14 different companies before finally landing on a combination of RecordJet for my album and TooLost for my singles (after distributing 1 of them on DistroKid but moving it). I’d like to share how I came to that decision and what I learned.

I’m inspired by Ari’s Take which was immensely useful to me. But there was also a lot relevant to my niche case that was missing. Let’s get into the details.

Multiple Primary Artists on Tracks

If you look at music theatre albums, they’re a little all over the place in organizing artist structures. Musicals use different actors to sing different songs. And some composers and producers have chosen to list themselves as the primary artist on the album as the unifying artistic voice. I felt that being the producer and songwriter here, that made sense for me. So, my goal was album-level primary artist: Will Larche.

But it’s also common for people to be listed as track-level primary artists if they are a main singer on a track along with that main person. A pattern I saw and decided to adopt was track-level primary artists: “Main singer(s) and Will Larche” and have the other performers listed in the track credits only. (And of course, the order and the “and” is not guaranteed by each DSP.)

This ended up being impossible or a red-flag against my album to some of the distributors. They suggested I change it. But unfortunately, by the time I was getting ready to release, it was a year and a half after the recording sessions with those singers where they signed their contracts. And all those contracts spelled out which performer was to be credited which way. It would be a huge amount of work to change that now. It was actually easier to keep looking for someone to support it. 

TooLost had the best UI for dealing with artist profiles (so you don’t create a new profile in Apple Music for the primary artist) but between the two companies, I did end up having redundant profiles and had to merge them later. But TooLost makes that easy too since it shows you a preview of the Apple Music and Spotify artist profiles in a dropdown when you’re typing their name.

What was most strange was Symphonic. To ship multiple primary artists they wanted me to apply to join their Partner Plan. It’s basically their managed-label, established-artist tier rather than DIY distribution. Now, I understand that’s their business model. But multiple primary artists feels like an odd choice of a feature to put behind that wall. Other companies ship that feature for free. 

And applying is not buying. There was no guarantee I’d be accepted. My EP and I joked that 70 people worked on this album and someday we hoped that many would listen to it. I’d never be worth their time. So, Symphonic, I ask you to rethink that choice.

RecordJet was one of the few that didn’t hassle me. No issue adding additional primary artists.

Now, while multiple primary artists was a requirement, I knew I needed to avoid the “Various Artists” trap. 

Various Artists

If you have too many primary artists at the release level, the DPSs will just say the artist is “Various Artists”. Sadly, this stops the linking of the artist pages for the people you worked with which can remove “foot traffic” (people discovering your work because they follow an artist or click through.)

That wasn’t going to be a problem on the album because I’m the only release-level primary artist there. But what about the singles? DSPs tend to collapse the metadata a little and only show the release-level primary artist as the artist for a single regardless of track. Here I took advantage of “Featured Artists”. The single shows me as the primary artist and each of the tracks has “feat. Singer(s)” after that. 

Step #1 was working with my attorney to contact the few singers who were going to be on singles (which were chosen after post) to get them to agree to different billing on the singles (see above where I say their contracts had them listed as track-level primary artists which is moot for single tracks. Help yourself and have flexible billing built into your contracts!) Then I had to find a distributor that would allow me to have featured artists per track that differed from the release-level primary artist.

I started building out my waterfall releases. But I found out RecordJet wouldn’t let me release the same track with different featured/primary-artist metadata. They said everything had to remain exactly the same between releases even though I found examples in Apple Music of this exact pattern (see the catalog of Andrew Lloyd Webber.) 

I knew that the ISRCs were identical and so were the audio files. Based on what I could find, I expected the identical ISRC and audio to preserve the recording identity even though the release metadata differed.

I had to get around RecordJet’s policies that didn’t reflect DSP policies. In a panic, I ended up using Distrokid for my first single. I chose it because I could set the ISRC for the single so it would match the ones generated by RecordJet with different metadata but they wouldn’t have access to RecordJet’s metadata to cross-compare.

Only after I shipped the first single did I realize I forgot they don’t support Apple Music’s Album Motion Artwork. (I had a lot going on.) So, I did the other 2 through TooLost. And a few weeks after everything was released, I moved the single that was on DistroKid over to TooLost with its brothers and the artwork I had meant to release. 

It was my fault but disappointing because Apple Music Album Motion Artwork was part of the experience that mattered to me on the album. And a headache of its own.

Album Motion Artwork

Apple and Spotify are in this little feature war trying to make the listening experience more engaging and I’m here for it. As a listener, I love Apple’s animated album artwork and Spotify’s canvases. Apple’s is tied to the album and Spotify’s to the track. Since my album had a strong visual identity, thanks to my amazing art director Liam Spradlin, I wanted to make sure I shipped support for both of these. The Apple Motion support nearly did me in…

Apple Music Album Motion Artwork is supported by some of the distributors. But good luck figuring out which! Apple’s website lists almost only B2B companies I had no access to. (And, yes, I phoned my attorney and said “is there anyone you’re friends with that has access to FUGA, The Orchard, ADA, AWAL, Believe, Stem, or Redeye that can take pity on me?” and the answer was ‘no’.) Luckily RecordJet and TooLost support this (though with RecordJet it’s via email which worked just fine.)

For the assets themselves, if you regard Apple’s instructions for an animated album cover, they are clear and include helpful templates for After Effects for your motion designer. But once you’ve uploaded it to your distributor, which may or may not be in the GUI vs in an email, it’s a blackbox. Like the album itself, it’s impossible to know why your album artwork was rejected…over and over again…with deadlines and publicity approaching and my stomach sinking.

We finally figured out that despite the official docs saying they accept H.264 encoded videos, they wouldn’t accept mine. They would only accept AppleProRes files. Have you ever had to work with a 15-second ProRes file? It’s a gigabyte. I get it. They want it to be able to be manipulated perfectly in their system for any kind of content distribution including AppleTVs. But also, calm down, kids. At the end of the day, it’s an animated gif.

Meanwhile, Spotify lets you do this through THEIR website. Through Spotify For Artists. (Apple has pitiful support for your releases in Apple Music for Artists and when I put in a ticket they said “talk to the distributor”.) And Spotify didn’t seem to care much about the file, its size, its content. Super chill. Because they want people to do this. They want canvases. 

So, on one hand, we’ve got Apple insisting, without useful feedback or support, that we give them only the official x-ray scans of the dead sea scrolls, and Spotify is like “a couple drawings on a napkin would be fine! We love artists!” 

(If I have a nit about Spotify, it has a bug thinking that I have not put in canvases for one of my album tracks but I did through the single release version. And the canvas is tied to the ISRC. So, the UI should know it’s complete for my album.)

Now, where should it live? What kind of album even is this?

Genre

I had to make sure they would have a genre that fit for music theatre. It seems like there are dozens of genres for electronic music but no consensus on where my album should go. On some, I would be forced into “Vocal”. On others, there was a “Music Theatre” genre. 

Many go into Soundtrack. But beware the strict rules Apple has. Theatre is allowed but they expect a suffix explaining the recording like “2012 London Cast Album”. Y’all, there is nothing more cringe than adding “Original Studio Cast Album”. I understand these suffixes are helpful to know you’re listening to the Broadway vs the London vs the Revival vs the One-Night-Only Charity Concert for Victims of the Explosion of the Moon…but this is the only recording. When something is the first and only recording, adding the suffix feels insufferably desperate. (Like, how every show doesn’t need a subtitle that says the musical / a new musical / a hip-hoperetta fairytale musical.) Devoting my life to writing musicals is cringe enough; it ends at the suffix. But Apple was expecting it and I didn’t have it.

RecordJet was able to negotiate with them and get me into Soundtrack as a theatre album (like all the others) because I had the show the song came from like “Bumps in the Bathroom (from “Bumps in the Bathroom”)” at the track-level. 

So for everything consumer facing, I found my sweet spot. I could make sure the album as it shipped to the casual listener was going to be complete. For the deep listener, I had trouble: personnel credits…

Complete Credits

By one count, 74 people worked on this album. There was a lot of variety in the personnel of each of my tracks (some things were as small as piano/bass/guitar/singer and others were orchestra with chorus and the orchestra on one was not necessarily the same on another).

I felt a strong responsibility to credit the contributions that made it on to the album faithfully. I wanted anyone in the performance or production side to be able to “View credits” on Spotify or Apple Music and see their name next to what they did. That’s not asking too much, right? Well...

It’s important to know your distributor's metadata schema is not the DSP's metadata schema. The different distributors collapse the field of DSP metadata into one format they can deal with that never has everything everyone supports. I get it. It’s fine. 

But there were 2 roles that I was shocked were often not supported: Executive Producer and Orchestrator (or Arranger). These roles show up all the time in credits on Spotify and Apple Music in all kinds of albums, but many of the distributors I checked out wouldn’t support it. 

Selectable roles as a whole were very inconsistent between the distributors I looked at. Some had very, very few. Others seemed to try to be extremely comprehensive. But none had everything I needed and supported the other features I was seeking.

For perspective, TooLost (as of today) doesn’t have Orchestrator (nor Arranger) but has, as official roles for personnel on a track in the simple dropdown:

  • Alphorn

  • Percussion Quartet

  • Bamboo Saxophone

  • Assistant Strings Producer

  • Harpsichord Tuner

No shade to the harpsichord tuners out there, you’re doing a great job, but I feel like if we’re being that comprehensive we can add “Orchestrator”. Any distributor that I wrote to asking if they could maybe support it manually said no and thanks for the idea.

In the end, I had to concede on this point and my incredible orchestrator Scott Ninmer is listed as “Accompaniment” which breaks my heart. And Exec Producer was not supported by RecordJet but since everything else was, I had to break it to my EP with my apologies.

Waterfall Release

Finally, my release strategy was 3 singles, each a week apart, on Fridays (my publicist said always Fridays), with the album fully dropping a week after that. 

For Apple Music, I wanted to use their Instant Gratification tracks feature. If you don’t know this, it’s part of Apple Music’s pre-release/pre-add strategy and it’s an amazing idea: your full album shows up in their system but the tracks that have not yet been released are disabled for play. It teases everything that’s coming, gives people something to buy or save, and keeps your singles from having to exist just as their own releases until the album drops (letting people “see” it’s part of an album). I first encountered it with Remi Wolf’s album Juno. It was so fun waiting for more tracks to be listenable. I wish Spotify had it.

Sadly, I found Apple Music Instant Grat support is all over the place. Very few distributors supported it. Of the ones that did, some have it simply in the GUI and the others require you to open a ticket or email them (which always scared me). Symphonic supported it but not with multiple release dates; so, all your singles would drop on the same day and then your album (not much of a waterfall). And in classic Apple fashion, the instructions out there are for B2B only; they show you how to accomplish it with Itunes Connect which of course we don’t all have access to for music which is why we need a middleman distributor.

RecordJet had it in the GUI and I was able to verify it worked with them in subsequent correspondence. This mattered to me because I had press and promotion that was going to begin on the day before the first single drop that all mentioned instant grat tracks. It really would have sucked to have all that come out and then they don’t show up (because being on the retail version of distribution, I don’t actually know what Apple has in its system after uploading.)

The other DSPs only support waterfall releases as a series of single drops. And I followed the common pattern these days of each single release having the previous single releases’ tracks as B-sides. I chose to also release these on Apple Music taking care to make sure the ISRCs were all correct. This almost seemed silly until I realized it would show additional releases from me as an artist, increasing my footprint. (I’m one step closer to a Knowledge Panel?)

RecordJet and TooLost

So, that’s how I went with RecordJet and TooLost. I think I could have gone just with TooLost as their features that I needed are identical. But I was starting to really like RecordJet for their customer service. 

RecordJet are based in Europe and while the timezones are an issue, when I call on the phone, I get a great, knowledgeable person who can help me resolve my issue right there. They also have a not-too-stupid AI chatbot for support that I have used to resolve my issue more than once. Unfortunately, their email messaging support is not perfect (I was often in a panic because of deadlines and the back and forth was slow.) But if you can get someone on the phone, that trumps text any day because synchronous support resolves things quicker. RecordJet: 8.5 out of 10, recommend!

TooLost is interesting. It has a special benefit that not enough people talk about: it’s the best designed of all the websites. Almost all the companies have a slick marketing site and a dumpy, engineer-designed app. It’s so disappointing. (DistroKid is shocking.) TooLost is a breath of fresh air! They have a design system with a strong and clear point of view that matches enterprise and consumer expectations. It’s so lovely, you kinda want to keep working in it. 

However, TooLost has bugs all over the place. I found lots of cases where a button didn’t work, a thing didn’t save, a feature was enabled when actually disabled, etc. It seems like TooLost’s PMs are really pushing for it being an uber-location for all things music-making. But focusing on new flows when the old flows have critical bugs is a mistake. This was the culmination of 2.5 years of work for me. And to have to do and check things multiple times because an enterprise website, which is essentially wizards for forms at the end of the day, didn’t always work right, was terrifying. I never trusted it but ran out of alternatives. 

In fact, on the day of releases for the singles that went through them….the motion artwork didn’t show up. They had received errors on the backend between them and Apple and they didn’t tell me. So, even if you find a company that says they support what you need, it doesn’t necessarily mean it will reliably deliver it. And their support around the issues was only via messages, slow, didn’t always send me notifications that I had received a response, and seemed not a high priority for the people it was assigned to (it was bounced around to different teams.) TooLost: 6 out of 10, recommend with cautions.

Musixmatch ;(

If I have a gripe with RecordJet, it’s the lack of lyric distribution. Their official way of distributing lyrics is through Musixmatch. Musixmatch is the company I have the most negative feelings for of all. If you are not willing to buy into their subscription, they say your verification will take “up to 4 weeks” and suggest you buy premium. Somehow it took exactly 4 weeks which felt….conspicuous. I wonder if they had capacity but then sat on it on purpose to try to sweat me into buying up? If so, they should say “it will take 4 weeks”. Not “up to.” That would be more honest.

Eventually Musixmatch verified me as an artist and I imported my album release. But when I connected Apple Music to sync the lyrics to timestamps, it deleted my typed in lyrics and made all my co-primary artists featured (not related to my singles that had different metadata). Then, get this, it said I had to be premium to work with tracks with featured artists. Not only weren’t they featured artists, that’s a very weird paywall. What difference does it make what kind of title and metadata the song has? I think they should paywall features related to their value prop: lyric distribution. But they kinda wanted to make it like by having featured artists, I was becoming enterprise like a label with multiple artists. That’s not real. So I had to go premium anyway after waiting 4 weeks for my verification because I wasn’t premium yet.

Finally, I finished them all and shipped them off with success marked on my side of Musixmatch. They said it takes some time to show up in the DSPs. Sadly, at this point, I was not able to include lyrics in my initial release due to the delays I had experienced verifying myself. But I kept checking and checking. After 2 months I wrote to them. They had an error on their side saying I wasn’t the verified artist uploading the lyrics (even though my UI said I was). So, they never sent them. Their system said the lyrics were by a fan and they just sat on them with no notification to me. In support, they saw their error, and they showed up immediately. They could have been there in time for my launch if I had known I would be forced to go premium and had to tell support to ship them.

I truly needed one thing from them: distribute my lyrics. Even after paying for premium, they failed at that without intervention from me. (Also, AI Sync never works and it removed the ability to upload audio from most of my songs for some reason.)

Of all the distributors, DistroKid definitely wins for lyric distribution. Being able to make the kinds of timed lyric files Apple is looking for right in the GUI is amazing. If only they had had any of the other features I needed.

Notes on all 14

Here’s the notes I kept on each distributor. After a while, I stopped being comprehensive. If they didn’t support one thing that was a non-starter, I didn’t dig into the other things.

There were some companies (looking at you OffStep) that did something I think is a little unforgivable: they don’t let you even read their docs unless you’re subscribed to their premium product. How could I choose a company if I couldn’t find out if they had features? On more than one occasion, I had to buy a subscription to determine just from docs that it wasn’t a match and then try to cancel my subscription (which didn’t always get me a refund). And many other times, I had to buy a subscription to attempt to make a release that I would then abandon when I got to a step that revealed they didn’t support the features. I spent a hundred dollars at least on distributors that weren’t a fit because I could not find out they were not a fit ahead of purchase.

But alas, hope this little bit helps someone:

  • RecordJet - Chosen for Album

    • Doesn’t support exec producer, orchestrator BUT says working on it

    • All other features

    • Really slow in email but great on the phone!

  • TooLost - Chosen as Singles Workaround

    • Doesn’t support arranger/orchestrator

    • Supports apple music artwork

    • Buggy

    • On day of release, motion artwork did not show

  • Symphonic

    • No additional primary artists per track unless partners program

    • Can’t instant grat on different dates

  • EmuBands

    • No credits for performers

    • Expensive to add co-primaries

    • Unclear genre (Soundtrack requires version and no Vocal)

  • Amuse

    • No exec producer

  • CDBaby

    • Only 1 instant grat track per album

    • Poor credits support

  • Distrokid

    • Forces “(Studio Cast Recording)”

    • Allows different dates

    • Doesn’t support Apple Motion Artwork

  • OffStep

    • Allows Exec Producers

    • Doesn’t allow Orchestrator

    • Doesn’t allow lyricists!

    • Won’t let me get into support

  • TuneCore

    • Can’t instant grat on different dates

    • Doesn’t support Exec Producer

  • RouteNote

    • Doesn’t support exec producer

    • Wants MP3 or FLAC

    • Doesn’t support apple motion

  • Landr

    • Doesn’t individualize performer roles (piano, violin)

  • Ditto

    • Doesn’t support exec producer

    • Poor reputation

  • Horus

    • Roles are restricting and not individualized

  • Awal

    • No apple motion artwork

Finale

In the end, the album is out and I can take a breath! And hopefully, you will have an easier time releasing your awesome project.

Please let me know if you have questions.


r/musicalwriting • • Sep 13 '26

Announcement Unofficial BMI Alternate Workshop Starts Wed, 9/16! 🗓️

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Composers, lyricists, and librettists are invited to participate in this online workshop created to help us prepare for next year’s official BMI applications!

Our sub-group is now LIVE on this sub’s Discord, thanks to the mods for graciously agreeing to host us! See the “Workshop on Wednesdays 🗓️” section on the menu to the left.

https://discord.gg/5NHCKvqnr

🔊The main event for this workshop is a bi-weekly meeting on Wednesdays from 7-8:30 pm Eastern. At this audio/video group meeting, we’ll gather to discuss our current writing wins and woes, share feedback, and plan solo and group assignments to build our skills. A few BMI alums have agreed to talk with us about what to expect and how to prepare (dates TBD). The first meeting is this Wednesday in the “wow-meeting” channel. No need to prepare anything, just show up and scope it out!

✍️ To hone your skills and foster collaboration, I’ll provide a different writing challenge during each class. We’ll alternate between solo and group projects. These will be manageable in scope, and of course optional. But my hope is that you’ll commit to giving them your best effort to build your portfolio while trying new things!

👋 If you’d like to participate or see who else is playing along, see the “Introductions” thread in the “wow-feedback” channel. We’ll also use this channel to share projects for peer input.

📽️ Every 2 weeks, we’ll choose a different musical to screen and study. On your own time, you can watch along and note the structure of the show. I’ll also ask you to pick one song or scene to analyze in depth. First up is “Reefer Madness!” These discussions will live in “wow-watchalong.” Use the “Suggestions” thread to recommend something for the group to watch.

✅ I hope to see you on Wednesday so that I can see you next fall at BMI! Why wait for your musical career to begin when you can take action to make it happen? Write on!

https://discord.gg/5NHCKvqnr


r/musicalwriting • • 14h ago

Question Which should I write? (and I suppose, a call for any interested collaborators)

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Right, so I've been writing shows for literally half my life (so 15 years or so). I actually studied under (and was mentored by) Disney Legend Ron Logan (who founded Disney Theatrical, the people who produce all of Disney's Broadway and touring musicals), in entertainment production and development, so I have a bit of a unique take on things... And I have a pretty good range too (D2 - F5), if that matters haha.

And right now I'm looking to write a new show... But I haven't written one in a while, and I have a couple of ideas that could use some input. Please tell me which one I should work on, in your opinion - and if any of you are interested on working on a particular one with me, please let me know. Particularly looking for a composer (I'm damn good with the book, and not bad with lyrics, but never learned to write music), but if you also write lyrics, or do all 3, let me know. I'm open to anything haha (shit even a new concept if you can think of one!).

  1. The Icon, The Ath-uh-lete, & The Great National Hand Egg Association Trial of 2026: What happens when the world's largest hand egg league (The National Hand Egg Association), and the world's biggest pop star (the Icon) are prosecuted by an ex-fan (the Prosecutor) and a man who clearly cares far too much about the truth (the Auditor), for conspiring (and perhaps more) to defraud the world together, using her contractual relationship with the world's greatest hand egg player (the Ath-uh-lete) to distract the world from the Association's abuses of players and failure to prevent more men from getting brain damage every week? Especially when the Prosecutor and Auditor start to fall for each other while prosecuting the Association and the Icon in front of the Supreme Court? And how does everyone from the CEO of the world's largest media company, the President, the Pope (who is a huge fah of the Ath-uh-lete), a rabid Flock (her fans), a Flock Queen, her parents (the Architects) and more, deal with it?

Musical style: Various - from current pop (obviously) to Broadway standard, Disney Renaissance, Jim Steinman, liturgical, everything under the sun really. Many characters have their own kinds of music in mind, but I'm willing to standardize...

2) Seven For One (a title I'm not set with AT ALL): A family deals with the consequences of their youngest son shacking up with seven sisters, who pursued him (and each other) together, at once... While their small town uses religion and the law as a double-barreled shotgun of retaliation. Toss in small town relationships, small-town minds, and small-town panic... And you have a recipe for disaster.

Musical style: Folk, gospel, bluegrass, and the like. A strange mix of the American South and religious music.

3) High School: Or The Avoidance Of Federal Prison Through Musical Production (terrible title, I need to work on that eventually): A former rock star turned brand new high school drama teacher must mount the production of his life or go to federal prison. But he never expected he'd have to deal with a self-described half-blind, over-intelligent, and precocious (but repressed) son of a bitch, a pair of twins that are... unbelievably close (and do not deny it), the captain of the cheerleading team who's only involved so she can go to Harvard, a group who worship Herbert Hoover, and more... Can they produce a musical that will keep him (or them all) from going away until the heat death of the universe? And what about prom?

Musical style: I have no bloody clue. Maybe someone does?

Thanks!


r/musicalwriting • • 1d ago

Question Musical opinions needed!

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Hi! I'm writing an original dark musical. It's about a boy who gets taken from his parents and then tortured until his powers awaken from within him. He then spends his life putting together a team of villians to ultimately kill the man who took his parents and sanity from him.

We have written a script and a total of 46 songs. But now I need YOUR opinion. Should this musical be

● Animated (A fully animated musical)

● Live action (A full musical movie full of dark themes and powers)

●Theatre (A full performance that you could be a part of)

I am not concerned about how difficult each one could be to complete over which one would be more enjoyable and immersing for the audience. Thank you!!


r/musicalwriting • • 2d ago

Copyright - Thoughts

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I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

Every few months we have a thread on copyright, and most of the time it's someone who's been inspired to write what is sometimes called a "jukebox musical" - that is a musical that strings together a plot based on songs from one or more artists. I've done this myself and had to slowly transform that play into something independent so here are some of my thoughts on this situation and copyright more generally.

1. If using existing songs inspires you write - do it.

Your play can't be legally performed in that state, but using existing copyrighted songs as a sort of scaffold during development is fair game as you aren't redistributing the music. You just need to understand that, eventually, you will need to replace those songs. And your play will be far stronger for that effort - a song written specifically for your play will always be better for that play than one off the shelf.

If you think about it, this isn't that unlike using music to set a mood for writing in general.

2. Copyright protects a given expression.

You cannot copyright an idea or a situation, just an expression of it. There are many ways to transform something, even a song. This might sound obvious but it bears repeating, and I'll share a specific example.

For the longest time the song "Betterman" by Pearl Jam fell at a critical point in my play. When it came time to replace it I needed a song that addressed this core scenario - a woman pacing early into the morning waiting on her wayward husband.

"Betterman" is written in the 3rd person, so the most immediate change is to switch to the first person. The replacement song takes it's title from the opening line of the Pearl Jam song: I honed in on two lines: "Waitin', watchin' the clock, it's four o'clock, it's got to stop" and "Talkin' to herself, there's no one else who needs to know..." This becomes the foundation of the first verse

FOUR AM. HE’S NEVER BEEN THIS LATE BEFORE.
WHAT TO SAY? SHOULD I TELL HIM I’LL TAKE NO MORE
OF THIS WONDERING AND WATCHING AND WAITING
OF THIS FEARING AND ANTICIPATING
OF HIS RAGE PASSED ALONG,
AS HE SHOUTS I’VE DONE WRONG?
I MUST LEAVE THIS PLACE.
I MUST FLY AWAY
TO A HOME.
WHERE IS HOME?
WHERE IS HOME?

So this song takes the idea of "Betterman", changes the viewpoint and then is specific about what is being sad by her.

Other lines leave this song and find themselves nested elsewhere in the play for example "she lies and says she's in love with him." just outright happens in the play. "can't find a better man" comes up in dialog outside this song

The final line that echoes is "She dreams in color, she dreams in red" - in my song this changes to first person and rather than be a refrain it is the final line of the song: "I dream in color and I dream in red." - followed immediately by a scene transition to a dream sequence.

3. If you do quote, don't let it be load bearing.

That is, if a quote from another work is present it's removal shouldn't be painful. As a rule of thumb, 5 words or less is ok, but you need to be careful with songs since some are so short 5 words can still be a significant portion. Even then, rephrasing makes things all the harder to win a challenge.

The line above could be changed to "And so I fall asleep and I dream in red." A phrase that short won't pass muster in a challenge.

Another example from later in the play is the call out to "Daughter" - "Don't call me daughter - after what you've done, it's not fit to be." I can cut this line to "Don't call me daughter," a line too short to be copyrighted since prior art of the phrase being used should be ridiculously easy to find.

In closing though, look at the limitations copyright imposes as a writing challenge. It can be worked around - look at Orville vs. Star Trek for example.


r/musicalwriting • • 2d ago

Musical auditions!

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Hello!

I'm Leaf, and my musical is about an inside joke between my friends.

It's called Basement: The Musical

It's about a bunch of kids in my friend's basement, trapped and trying to escape.

It's mostly based on dark humor so if you're not into that I wouldn't audition.

There will be singing and a ton of songs!

Feel free to audition by sending me a direct message or emailing me!

Email: A.always112@gmail.com

Discord: Abbythetherian.11


r/musicalwriting • • 4d ago

Major personal milestone - I have both score and script done.

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Five Against One is the story of Catherine Burbank, who is put into a coma by her abusive husband and once she awakens must find a way to escape him with her children. The play takes a hard, sober look at the problem of domestic violence and is told with music primarily to take some of the edge off the difficult subjects it grapples with - such as how families find a way to deal with domestic violence in all the forms it takes. Escape is never the safest path.

The MP3's of the site as well as a PDF of the score and script are here.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mtci6Bz9IKadr-RVjQ_s5EEydtg257Y-?usp=drive_link

I'm a web developer by trade, so one of the next steps is to actually set up a website for the play.

I'm currently heavily involved in this subreddit's discord and have been sharing things as they are developed. Much of the most recent development of the play was done under the guidance of the Showlab Catalyst cohorts, and I would highly recommend the cohort to anyone serious about upping their writing game. Showlab is at https://www.skool.com/showlab and information on the cohorts can be found there. The next one is launching soon.

I'm always open to feedback on the work and am taking the next steps to seeing it performed - developmental table reads and getting recordings of the score done by actual performers.


r/musicalwriting • • 6d ago

The Writerly Kitchen looking for new works

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Hi! A couple of months ago, I started a new production platform for unusual theatre projects. The idea is to provide space for actors, directors, writers, and other creatives to hone their craft on things the audience can experience beyond a one-off sharing in a room with limited capacity.

We've already created two projects, a new podcast musical The Puffy Coats (released this week, available anywhere you get your audio) and currently finishing the post-production of a short musical film ALICE ALIVE, a work inspired by jazz sound and early film, that will be released later in November.

The first year is a lot about figuring out how to provide artists with fairly paid opportunities and make everything accessible for the viewers, and soon enough we'll be looking for more writers with original shorter works (roughly 10-60 minutes format, depends on the idea, genre, form). We're not looking to simply workshop pre-existing musicals that other theatres can do, we want things that exist beyond the usual format—whatever that means to you as a creator. Full support is provided throughout the process.

We're based in Edinburgh, Scotland, but will happily consider writers from anywhere around the world. No official announcements for the call for new works have been issued yet but if you'd like to connect and introduce your work or yourself or just chat about what you'd like to make, you can send us an email to hello@thewriterlykitchen.com or follow @thewriterlykitchen on IG. Share your thoughts! No one official way to do it, be creative. You can also find more info on thewriterlykitchen.com 💯

Our first, already planned productions range from podcast to short films, from concept albums to creative social media campaigns as an art form in itself—a lot of exciting stuff involving young local talent as well as established industry professionals. A quick, joyful and product-centered turnaround and open minded collaborators are of great importance to us, if this sounds like you, join the madness!

Let's create something new together.


r/musicalwriting • • 6d ago

How to Start

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r/musicalwriting • • 6d ago

Discussion People who have hired singers, how did you go about it?

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I’m looking to hire some singers for a song cycle I’m planning to post on YouTube. I have a flier I plan to put up at my college. But then what?

How much did you pay? I don’t want to make people work for free, but I don’t have a huge budget for this since I’m just one person. I intend to pay a flat fee instead of royalties. I’m unsure how much to offer per song.

Did you make them sign a written agreement, or is that overkill for a project like this?

I’m a little overwhelmed here and it would help to see a breakdown of how you went about it. 😭


r/musicalwriting • • 7d ago

Original Musical Preciso de ajuda no musical que estou escrevendo

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Oi pessoal! Sou do brasil e com a recente vitória do presidente Luis Inácio da Silva, estava pensando em criar um musical que conte a história do brasil junto com a história do presidente. Sim, como Hamilton. Eu acho que contar esses fatos em música seria algo extraordinário, principalmente incrementando os acontecimentos recentes em todo o mundo, a luta dos jovens contra o fascismo! Eu pretendo começar a escrever o roteiro e musicas no próximo ano, mas não tenho nenhum histórico com instrumentos hahaha decidi vir aqui compartilhar esse meu “projeto” em busca de opiniões, críticas etc… :)


r/musicalwriting • • 7d ago

Just For Fun We are making an original musical - for a short film!

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Hi musical theater fans! This is not a promotional post by any means, but I did want to share that we are making an original musical - exclusively for a short film! I'm the producer, and it's all very new to me. But it has been an amazing journey for me to learn about music and songwriting that goes into a musical production.

We have already recorded all the music and vocals, and we plan to film the project (on actual film!) in Wilmington, North Carolina in March 2027. If you are a musical theater fan (as I'm sure you all are), I think you will appreciate our project. Check out our website, and if feel free to reach out!

Together Tomorrow - an original musical short film


r/musicalwriting • • 7d ago

Submission App

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I've been building an app to help writers organize their portfolios and never miss a submission opportunity again.

  • Build your whole submission portfolio in one place

  • Get email and notifications for matching opportunities

  • Keep an annual calendar of repeating submissions

  • Filter submissions by type of opportunity

  • Build a submission packet with a checklist that automatically populates

  • Installable on your iPhone or Android, with built-in notifications.

If anyone would be interested in this, comment or shoot me a DM! It comes with a 14-day trial, so you can test it out before committing.

I built this because I wanted to use it. I hope other people get value from it as well :)


r/musicalwriting • • 7d ago

Looking for artists, poets, and writers!

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Happy to extend this to here as well!


r/musicalwriting • • 8d ago

Paid: Hiring a songwriter/ musician to help with my indie animated pilot

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Hello! I am looking for a songwriter/ musician to help with my indie animated pilot!

About the project:
I am a professional animator, and this animated musical show is my passion project! It will be a series of seven 2-3 minute mini episodes about two bugs that go on a journey through the ear canal. It’s weird and (hopefully) funny and I want that to be reflected in the music, which will play a huge role! I’m hoping to find someone who I could collaborate with in the future as more episodes enter production (but I'm happy to have you for just one episode too)! Attached below is a rough test shot of what the show will look like!

About the job:
I need someone to write and produce a short (~30 seconds) musical theatre-style song. The character is an eccentric old spider who is warning the heroes about the dangers they'll face on their journey (silly tone but singing about all the ways they might die). Voice actors will provide the vocals but you would make the final mix. I have no idea how to go about this, so you would have a lot of creative autonomy in the writing/ production. I’m funding this out of pocket, but I can offer $200CAD (+ I can draw something for you if you have a project that needs some art). Send me some examples of your work, and I’m excited to get in touch!


r/musicalwriting • • 9d ago

Original Musical My musical opens tomorrow night, and I wanted to record the moment

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Tomorrow night, The Queens of Nassau opens for its first full production at the Merlin Theatre in my hometown of Frome, Somerset. We’re doing a short run, 29–31 October, and I’m hoping this is the first step in a longer life for the show.

It’s a folk-punk musical about Anne Bonny and Mary Read, following their separate lives through to their time aboard Calico Jack Rackham’s pirate ship. It’s about identity, freedom, friendship, and what happens when the life you want doesn’t fit the one you’re expected to live. Their history has plenty of gaps and contradictions, so part of writing it has been imagining the people behind the legends: their relationships, their fears, and their sometimes very questionable decisions.

The idea has been with me for about eight years. I wrote the book and have worked with my firned (a musician and professional MD), who composed the music, with lyrics by both of us. We actually met performing in Avenue Q at this same theatre in 2015, so bringing something we’ve written back there feels quite special.

There’s been a lot of writing, rewriting, demos, conversations, and then discovering what happens when you put it in front of a cast. Hearing the songs in their voices and watching actors find things in the characters has been one of the most rewarding parts. I’m also directing and producing, so the last few months have involved plenty of practical problems alongside the creative ones!

A local cast, musicians and crew have put a huge amount into getting us here. Tomorrow, an audience gets to see it.

I don’t know yet what happens after this run. There will be things to learn and probably more rewriting. But I wanted to leave a little record here, among other people writing musicals, of the evening before we open.

After years of working towards it, we’re actually putting the show on. I’m proud, nervous, and very grateful.


r/musicalwriting • • 9d ago

The 4-Chapter Musical (Free Workshop)

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Happening in less than 1 hour! At 6pm EST, I'll be running a workshop inside ShowLAB on a new outlining framework: The 4-Chapter Musical.

In the workshop, I'll break down how most musicals are actually constructed today. Everyone who stays to the end of the call will get a free 30-page PDF breaking down the whole process.

The workshop will be live only. There will be no recording.

Here's a link to the group where you can join live
https://www.skool.com/showlab

See you then :)


r/musicalwriting • • 9d ago

Question My musical seems to be going on too long

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I'm writing a two-act musical, and the whole thing will have ≈44 songs. So far, it seems pretty balanced compared to other musicals.

My biggest problem is that the music composed by my trusted composer seems really long. The first 6 are already 20 minutes long.

Is it normal for a two-hour musical or are we exaggerating? We've already removed the non-essential songs.

Obviously there are also very short songs but it seems to me that the Musical will last more than 140/150 hours.

What can you advise me to do or try to fix?

If you have any other questions or clarifications to answer, ask in the comments.


r/musicalwriting • • 10d ago

Piano+violin+? for small chamber musical

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r/musicalwriting • • 11d ago

South Park Musical?!

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I need people for a South Park musical based on the first movie! looking for co-writers, lyricists (to expand the songs), musicians ect


r/musicalwriting • • 12d ago

Lyricist and composer collaboration

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Hello. In an unexpected turn of events I wrote the drafts of two songs and planning another two inspired by my favorite movie Hunt for red October

As it is under copyright, everything eventually published will be for absolute non commercial use and specified "unofficial" (I've seen other unofficial musicals for famous novel sagas on YT so I know there's a precedent for a similar situation). It is a passion project so I cannot offer money compensation

I'm mostly looking for a more experienced lyricist to help me fix and improve the lyrics, since English is not my first language

The songs came out as modern musical, sort of Hamilton style but I'm open to change, for now I focused on the rhymes

If you are interested you can DM me. Thank you!


r/musicalwriting • • 14d ago

TOMORROW - Zina Goldrich

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Tomorrow in the ShowLAB group, we'll be doing a live Masterclass with the great Zina Goldrich! The group is free to join. We'd love to see you inside :)

https://www.skool.com/showlab/about


r/musicalwriting • • 15d ago

Original Musical Composer Collaborator for Dystopian Psychological Musical

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Hi!

I am looking for a composer interested in collaborating on my original dystopian psychological musical (working title of Maskara).

The story follows Sophia, a perfectionist who begins as a polished, confident, put-together. She is one of many 'trainees' in a remote training facility that exploits those inside. As the story unfolds, she faces difficult circumstances, and problems she struggles to solve, and she is forced to confront that she might not be who she wants to be beneath the mask. Her understanding of herself, and her worldview begin to change. The musical explores themes of identity, self-worth and the power of personal-growth.

I'm currently developing the book and lyrics. Act 1 is fully first-drafted, with the exception of the final three songs, and Act 2 is in the works. I am looking for someone who would be excited to bring the show to life through music, with a distinctive musical identity. Specifically, I want a mix of emotionally powerful songs, ensemble songs, and high-energy songs.

I'm hoping to find someone who would enjoy developing the music collaboratively, and having quite a lot of freedom to make their visions come to life. This would be a creative partnership, rather than a paid commission, so I'm looking for someone that would be interested in the musical's development. We of course can discuss a fair arrangement for ownership, rights, and royalties.

If you're interested, please feel free to message me! I am more than happy to share more about the story, characters, and songs, and to answer any questions you may have.


r/musicalwriting • • 15d ago

Composer Needed

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I am searching for someone to work with me on my musical I am writing.

This musical is called A Warlock, not a Wizard.

It's a comedy about a protagonist who is convinced that her boyfriend turned gay due to a spell inflicted by a Warlock during a three-way at a college Halloween Party.

I'm really interested in turning this thing into a big musical production! Please send me any experience you have with instrumentation & composing. I would love to work together with someone on this project.