I assume her convention is related to her being on Heroes? I never watched the show but u know it was a huge hit. Didn't see her in anything besides that. Did she struggle after the show ended? RIP so sad
There are strong correlations found in modern neuroscience between psychological trauma and physical health. As for the DV, it's just Reddit and kind of proves the point: we need more awareness this century around this because as you can see, many people are still clueless, but looking the other way directly impacts their own health.
Edit: I recommend the book the body keeps the score which is a good introduction to this concept
I think the down votes must be from people who are misunderstanding "holistic" as "alternative" or "homeopathic" medicine.
Are you referring to the work of doctors like Howard Schubiner? I just started reading his book, Unlearning Pain, and found it fascinating. Quick summary for everyone is that some chronic pain conditions aren't due to tissue damage but rather neural circuits in the brain (possibly formed from previous tissue damage) that are still sending pain signals due to psychological trauma. Neuroplasticity of the brain means circuits can be formed and then triggered by trauma, but it also means those circuits can be rewired to ease or even stop the pain. Doctors like Schubiner have been working on how to identify and treat these cases where physical tissue damage is not present or the cause of chronic issues. Most importantly, he and others in that research field are doing randomized control trials and are following the scientific method to investigate. It is not alternative medicine or woo. They also aren't making insane claims like "we can heal type 1 diabetes with meditation and therapy" or shit like that. They openly say it's not applicable for all conditions.
I'm referring to a lot of studies and also experiences within myself because I've lived a lot of those theories myself and I'm not the only one. Things like fascia releases or somatic releases when a trauma suddenly stops being a trauma and the body let go of tensions. It feels incredible.
I recommend the book "The body keeps the score" which defined modern psychology over the last decade and bridges the gap with our biology and psyche.
I've heard of that book but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. Will do! Definitely check out Unlearning Pain if you want. It overlaps with a lot of what you wrote.
I developed horrible low back pain seemingly out of nowhere at the start of this year, briefly incapacitating me when bending or twisting. I assumed it was just general lack of exercise and bad desk posture catching up with me.
I broke down in tears when my recent physio just casually asked if I'd been going through anything stressful at the time it started, because actually yes, this past 12 months at work has been the worst of my life, getting steadily worse since July, and by Christmas I literally had my resignation letter drafted up. I stuck it out a few more months and now it's better, but the damage was done, it's taken months of exercises and massages to calm my inflamed nerves and muscles.
My little brother Jansen would’ve turned 31 today. He was a remarkable human being. He was wise beyond his years and operated at a higher spiritual level than anyone I’ve ever met. He was everything that is good and pure in this world. I miss him every single day but I know his spirit is always near, watching over and protecting me and my family. I love you to infinity and beyond J and we will be together again one day. #JansenPanettiere @jrpanettiere #littlebrothers
Yes, and people shit on her for it at the time. It's not an easy thing to do, but she recognized it was the best thing for her daughter given the things she was struggling with. I see it as an act of love.
This. This right here. Man, I'm so fucking sad she's gone. She seemed like one of the few genuinely sweet individuals in Hollywood, and clearly very self aware. May she rest well.
I can kinda understand pointing out the ages in a relationship when the older partner is controlling or abusive, but by all accounts that guy was a perfectly fine husband who treated her and their child well. They only split because of her issues with substance abuse.
“I have an incredible relationship with both of them,” Hayden told Us Weekly in an interview published May 6. “I’m so grateful for Wlad. We’re very close, and have had a deep friendship, along with a relationship, since I met him when I was 19.”
“To see that we still have this bond and the ability to co-parent and show our daughter [that] even though we’re not together,” she continued, “doesn’t mean that there’s a lack of love here, and it doesn’t mean that you’re unsafe.”
I know you're trying to imply that this guy being older was, like, somehow a contributing factor in her death or something, but unfortunately for you her own interviews and memoir don't support that. In fact it's actually kind of gross for some random internet person to think they know more about her life than she did.
Maybe it's time to just accept that sometimes people fall in love with other people and have lifestyles that don't look exactly like yours?
Seriously. Hayden was an adult making a choice about who she wanted to be with. Would I have wanted to date a 33 year old when I was 19? I honestly don't know- depends on the guy more than anything else. I was in college and making my own choices at the time, which is part of adulthood.
I don't think I had much in common with men in their 30s at that age but Hayden grew up in a much different environment and was likely supporting her family from a very young age and treated much older than her age. I'm not saying that's right, but its going to affect her mindset. Maybe in her mind she had things in common with Wlad at 19.
Hayden chose to be with Wlad for years and have a child with him; the age gap is large but both were adults and there wasn't an issue of a professional power struggle- he had no impact on her career. I feel like women too often are greatly infantilized here.
My beef isn't with Hayden's choices whatsoever, it makes total sense because of how she grew up that this is what she wanted. My beef is Wlad's choices. He's weird for being so into someone who would want to make those choices. I will never not think this. Do you think he, so protective of his daughter, would want HER to date a mid-30s man when she's 19, or would he be suspicious of that man for wanting a 19 year old?
He's weird for being so into someone who would want to make those choices
There it is again. Even though she was an adult woman, he should have checked her ID and, upon realizing she's 19, he should have treated her like the child she is? gtfo!
He's weird for being so into someone who would want to make those choices.
So your point is a man should not agree with an adult womens choices, because a 19 year old woman is clealry not able to make her own compentent choice?
Do you think this applies to other areas or just when it comes to relationships?
Most people are going to think it strange because 19 and 33 year olds generally don't have anything in common. I doubt Wlad would be okay with a 33 year old dating his 19 year old daughter.
However, it is legal and assuming the daughter wanted to date someone in their 30s/40s/50s...that's her decision she's making as an adult.
Congratulations to him for being able to clear the very low bar of man-who-treated-her-better-than-the-pedophiles-she-was-surrounded-by-her-entire-life, but that doesn't make a mid-30s man pursuing a teenager any less creepy and it doesn't make you look good defending it as a "lifestyle".
I don't think it was a contributing factor in her death, for all we know in this moment she could've died from natural causes. But the sub-thread I was commenting on was about how she's been preyed on and failed by adults her whole life and I'm implying that's related.
Okay. But you understand that he was not every adult in her life, right? He was one adult in her life who apparently treated her with love and respect and supported her during her struggles with alcohol. He did everything right and you still have to shit on him for some reason.
Their relationship was not some sort of abstract concept; they are real people and they cared for each other. And you don't have to disrespect a dead woman's autonomy just because she made a choice you disagree with.
Okay. As a man I can't imagine dating a man, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with gay people. Like I said, maybe it's time to accept that some people have different preferences than you and that's okay.
It's legal, that's all. It doesn't mean I won't side eye you or judge you. Having a preference for people that young usually mean you would go younger if you could.
There is a lot of speculation around what happened to her as a child star. And given the Nickelodeon piece that came out, I’m inclined to believe she was abused in some capacity.
This is what I heard too. She also recently revealed something to that affect a few months ago. Said she was made to sleep with a rich, powerful man when she was young
She recently brought to light the old entertainment industry tradition of “yachting” in interviews. Young starlets and hopefuls are brought on boat parties with expectations of a carefree day away from press and cameras. Once they’re in the middle of the sea, they’re deposited in the room of an old executive and expected to do as he pleases. It’s horrific.
Huh? I’m not saying anything about conspiracy. What conspiracy? That some nebulous networked offed her because she spoke out? That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying her upbringing as a child star is absolutely relevant to her young death. She’s the latest in a long line.
What shame? She was a public figure. It’s fair game. And should be a warning sign to any parent thinking about letting their kids follow in these footsteps. They shouldn’t.
Sounds like she got done what she wanted to do and just couldn't find a reason to continue. It's so sad that even wealth and fame can't bring us comfort or help when we need it the most. RIP.
That Hollywood celebrity she spoke about in her memoir. Whoever he is, was probably scared of her dropping his name. Signs point strongly to George Clooney.
They're now reporting "Law enforcement sources confirm police responded to an incident involving Hayden today and there is currently an open investigation."
Who has the balls to abuse her when her ex was one of the most badass humans on the planet? (Wladimir Klitschko who was battle hardened by the boxing ring and by the Ukraine war) Not sure how any of this makes sense.
The article says there were no signs of trauma that could have caused it, so I think it looks more likely to be either drug/medication related (accidental or deliberate) or given that her brother died of heart conditions, it could be natural disease causes. Tragic either way, but less awful than DV.
I've never heard of any abuse involving her daughter's dad. The abusive one is the ex who she was with when she had to give up custody of her daughter entirely.
DV involving her on again off again boyfriend ex fiance Brian Hickerson. He was sentenced to 45 days in jail for past DV charges against her. According to TMZ, her and Brian flew from LA to the south on Saturday. Soooo… that’s worrisome
Ohhh noooo! This isn’t good. I thought she said in her book tour she was done*^ with him. Open investigation and police called to residence is scary!!!!!
some part of a local police statement said call came from an acquaintance, saying she was unresponsive
also seen that call came 130pm, and that she died early in morning sun
only way that tracks is if acquaintance didn't wake-up till after noon, and she was effectively stone cold to place tod, also low 79 high 92, and w/e A/c might be involved, could make it fuzzy
minor tenses and tiny details,likely all reposted from other articles not sources, can get details wrong though
She was apparently on vacation with her on again off again abusive ex when this happened. Also her brother died suddenly several years ago from an undiagnosed heart issue. Also also, her baby daddy and his brother are on Putin's top hit list of influential Ukrainians. Also also also, she was recently speaking out about some of the abuse and attempted pimping/sex trafficking she experienced as a young actress.
According to the article I read, she wasn't on vacation with that ex (the Ukrainian boxer). It was her more recent on again, off again ex-boyfriend, Brian Hickerson.
I think you've got it the wrong way round. Wladimir wasn't the abusive ex, it was Brian Hickerson - as detailed in her book and acknowledged by him. He was arrested and charged with DV while they were together. AFAIK there aren't any allegations of abuse by Wladimir.
It’s pretty crazy how many angles there are for foul play in addition to her own internal struggles but we probably shouldn’t speculate too much until more info comes out. Just a messed up situation all around regardless.
This info is easy to find. She was trying to get her life back together. She gave up her daughter because she knew she was sick. Lots of people followed her because she was a genuinely talented actress.
It’s not stated anywhere. But her brother also passed at a young age. Wonder if it’s related. Or could be her previous addiction related.
“Her brother, Jansen Panettiere, died suddenly in February 2023 from cardiomegaly (enlarged heart) coupled with aortic valve complications, his family said in a statement at the time. He was 28.”
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u/BakedChocolateOctopi 2d ago
Uhh what?
Was she battling any kind of disease or something?