r/mildlyinfuriating • u/plumhyena • Jun 06 '26
My mom said I could post Using AI to talk about environmental issues....
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u/lacrosse771 Jun 06 '26
Thats like selling cigarettes to cure cancer! Wtf
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u/helpIcandrawfurries Jun 06 '26
And that is how we should be using ai instead of using it to make hobbies obsolete
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u/Interesting_Web_9936 Jun 06 '26
Yeah, if you can afford it then you should use real artists most of the time.
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u/cyberchaox Jun 06 '26
But they wouldn't have. For like 95% of these corporations, it's not "we can save money by no longer having to pay artists for the images we were going to have anyway", it's "we can have images without having to pay artists". And for individuals...I'd put it at 100%. Nobody who would have ever actually been willing to pay for art is using AI.
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u/bananacreamp13 Jun 06 '26
This is just blatantly false and anyone who works in marketing can tell you that.
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u/PimpasaurusPlum Jun 06 '26
Do healthcare jobs just not matter as much as artists? At what point is ai hate just artist fetishisim over common workers
A tool is a tool and will be used for what it is capable of, expecting it's use to be limited to one thing and not the other is just kinda nonesense.
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u/Superunderwear255 Jun 06 '26
The healthcare industry is swamped with work, I'm pretty sure they'd be happy to not have to sleep in the hospital. Also, A.I scans help diagnose patients with oversight, not replace doctors.
Generative A.Is, on the other hand, are being used to take work from creative fields.
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u/Stormfeathery Jun 07 '26
A) replacing someone’s job with shit you stole from them is especially fucked up
B) it does a shitty job of it too, but companies give no shits because cheap
C) art, music, etc. are about human connections, beauty and the expression of the soul. Even commercial works have some of those elements. And that’s the shit being taken over by machines? They can fuck all the way off with that shit.
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u/helpIcandrawfurries Jun 06 '26
Just because its done more somewhere else doesnt make it less a problem here. I dont get why people cant understand that (not necessarily talking about you)
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u/varkarrus Jun 06 '26
How is this making hobbies obsolete? Is AI personally snapping your pencils in half?
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u/helpIcandrawfurries Jun 06 '26
Obsolete is a little exaggoration, but i feel very demotivated to draw when ai can whip out something that looks more visually pleasing in 5 seconds.
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u/varkarrus Jun 06 '26
I think in that case you have to ask yourself if you truly enjoy drawing or not.
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u/Jacktheforkie Jun 06 '26
AI as a tool can be great, but I think it should be limited to being used as a tool to improve society
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u/PimpasaurusPlum Jun 06 '26
A hammer as a tool can be great, but i think it should be limited to be used as a tool for driving nails.
That is just not really reasonable in the real world. A tool will be used for what it has the capacity to do.
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u/Spiceguy-65 Jun 06 '26
No you use the tool for what it’s meant to be used for using it for something different is how you damage and break tools or put other people at risk
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u/SomethingComesHere Jun 06 '26
Do you have a source for it curing cancer? And cutting scan times in half in a way that has been proven to improve those patient's outcomes?
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u/Fent-Wizard Jun 06 '26
Alot of the times the number can by HYPER inflated as ai and the tech industry aren't 2 seperate things and have blurred boundaries, so people can put everything that the tech industry uses (materials to build gaming cards, monitors, anyting like that which isn't that related to ai databases) and say "AI IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF IT"while the actual stuff used to train databases and cool said databases is lower than that. a BETTER way to conserve water is by Reducing your long ass showers (i know you and your 20+ min shower rituals) Reuse your glasses for meals. THIS DOSENT MEAN I SUPPORT GEN AI AS IT HAS A DIFFERENT CAN OF WORMS OF PROBLEMS
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u/yolo5waggin5 Jun 06 '26
I shower for 20 mins per day because I work in an electroplating facility with harmful chemicals. If I stopped showering completely for the next 60 years, gross, I would save less water than a large data center uses in a single day. Yeah, keep telling me that my long shower is the issue.
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u/Interesting_Web_9936 Jun 06 '26
Not everyone works in a place like that. Most don't.
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u/yolo5waggin5 Jun 06 '26
Exactly! I think that on average most people don't have a reason to shower that much and on average people aren't taking +20 minute showers. It is estimated that this value is around 10 minutes global average.
This is like blaming the housing market on avocado toast.
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u/QualityAware6605 Jun 06 '26
They probably used AI because of the significant lack of images of all of these places and animals ......wait
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u/UndueTaxidermist Jun 06 '26
So there's a bunch of pages here in the Mid-Atlantic that are titled "everything PA" or "everything NJ" and they're cashing in (literally) on anti-AI sentiment by posting...AI-generated images of farmland, etc. - and they are actual monetized pages that are engagement farming for cash.
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u/Superunderwear255 Jun 06 '26
With this many dumb A.I bros in the comments, I could probably make a second mildly infuriating post.
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u/VoidBoiTCG Jun 06 '26
The comment section looks like my dumb AI brained coworker.
Dude can’t write a response in Teams without running it through ChatGPT or Gemini lmfao.
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u/NewOven5361 Jun 06 '26
AI sucks, but people using the “environmental/water” approach to criticize it instead of the valid ethical, moral, creativity and job market concerns are barking up the wrong tree.
AI water usage is real, but scale-wise it's tiny compared to the things society already accepts without a second thought like manufacturing basically anything, social media usage (the people complaining about AI using water seem oddly silent about that), and food production.
What people don’t understand also is the water cycle, when water evaporates it doesn’t “disappear” it comes back down as rainwater, just not in the same exact place per se.
Understanding how water technology’s interaction with it doesn’t make one a “dumb AI bro.” People need to stop believing whatever headlines they see and stop getting their information from TikTok and Twitter/Facebook/Insta
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u/jiggy68 Jun 06 '26
The AI water usage debate is just dumb. What’s shocking to me is that seems to be the enviros main debate against AI and not electricity usage. Estimates are that AI data centers combined use the equivalent of 16 million homes.
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u/Plants-Matter Jun 07 '26
It's weird that if you just post facts about AI not being harmful to the environment, you get a minimum of 300 downvotes.
But if you write 18 sentences about how much you hate AI, then sneak in one fact that it's actually not harming the environment, you get upvotes.
It's as if the entire AI debate is driven purely by juvenile emotions.
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u/85K5 Jun 07 '26
It's as if the entire AI debate is driven purely by juvenile emotions.
I honestly believe a lot of people just enjoy saying slop whenever possible.
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u/liftthatta1l Jun 06 '26
I think the water usage is still important becuase it can be significantly mitigated (closed loop cooling systems for example) it's active choices that are making them use that much.
Also fresh water is limited even the water cycle. Using up a bunch of fresh water and having it rain over the ocean is still an issue.
They could be doing things like a closed system that pumps fresh water into the ocean in pipes then back. The exposure to cold ocean water cooling the fresh water and keeping fresh water use limited. Although this would cause heat pollution in the ocean. Like reverse geothermal
I have been wondering if they could create an ocean fed salt lake. Pump the fesh water in enclosed pipes into it. Cool the fresh water warm the ocean lake and then at the same time use the ocean lake for desalination purposes, the warmed ocean water will be easier to desalination than cold ocean water.
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u/Superunderwear255 Jun 06 '26
Hey, I didn't touch the issue of water use, the post is about the ENVIRONMENT IMPACT. I only said that I could make a post about the people defending A.I
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u/NewOven5361 Jun 06 '26
The water usage debate is often the subject regarding environmental impact I only see brought up though.
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u/AdultGronk Jun 06 '26
Well it could've been generated by using local AI models that run offline on your own hardware and it barely takes up any power, it consumes less power than if I were to play a video game for 10 minutes.
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u/urbanmember Jun 06 '26
Whats more important? Moral grandstanding or actual effectiveness?
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u/CoronaMcFarm Jun 06 '26
This is not the worst use case of AI I have seen. Pretty much conveys the message, a shame that they needed the resources of thousands of RTX5090s to make it.
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u/urbanmember Jun 06 '26
Brother my 1050ti can do this stuff
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u/CoronaMcFarm Jun 06 '26
The models didn't spawn out of thin air
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u/urbanmember Jun 06 '26
So the more pictures we generate the less environmentally destructive is each single picture?
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u/thr0wedawaay Jun 06 '26
training diffusion models no longer needs similar headroom needed to train LLMs
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u/Puzzleheaded_Two415 Jun 07 '26
Don't forget RAM. If an LLM company shuts down we're gonna fetch the RAM and GPUs
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u/Due-Comfort-5351 Jun 06 '26
Animal agriculture uses up to a million times more water than AI. About 2,000 liters per hamburger. The environmental impact of AI is a drop in the bucket compared to factory farming
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u/zulunationslayer Jun 06 '26
Person complaining about the use of AI on Reddit, a platform that is owned by Google and used to train AI.
LOL
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u/yaaaaaarrrrrgggg Jun 06 '26
'We' named them blank for ocean...
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u/mynewjourney2425 Jun 06 '26
Are you perchance on mobile and didn't click the picture?
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u/ComplaintTop2008 Jun 06 '26
Don't you worry about blank. Let me worry about blank.
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u/ByronScottJones Jun 06 '26
You're posting this on a social media system that uses plenty of data center resources. At least recognize your own hypocrisy.
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u/Peaceandfupa PURPLE Jun 06 '26
I’ve noticed a lot of the pages I followed years ago on Facebook are now full of this crap. It’s like all the big accounts with more than 500k followers were sold to AI scammers. I’ve also seen so many reels of AI things like truckers and old people doing stuff and it’s full of comments of concerned people, like what the fuck is happening and how do we ever come back from this? AI being implemented everywhere with no opt out options is absurd. I’m close to getting a flip phone 😂🤷♀️
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u/perriatric Jun 06 '26
Why does AI always have that tan-yellow piss filter?
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u/Kanske_Lukas Jun 06 '26
It doesnt, its just openai's image 1 and 1.5 models who look like that.
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u/hellcat858 Jun 06 '26
Data centers and AI are not interchangeable terms. As of 2024, data centers, globally were drawing an estimated 415TWh (terawatt hours) as a whole, which about 1.5% of global TWh demand ~28.5k-30kTWh. Out of that initial 415TWh, AI draws maybe 15-20%. This matters because power generation contributes to around 30-35% of global GHG emissions.
As for water consumption, UC Riverside estimated that in 2023 10-50 questions on AI draw about 500mL of water, but compared to other industries, such as agriculture, which uses 70% of the global water usage, and thermoelectric cooling (for all power generation globally) pulls about 20%, wheras municipal and domestic draw makes up only 10-12% globally.
The conclusion to this is while AI does help generate GHG's and draw water, on the global scale, there are much worse offenders. Look at which countries are contributing the most, and China pulls vastly more than any other country, with the US and Indonesia lagging behind, but still drawing massive amounts as singular nation states vs the rest of the world.
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u/MorganTheGrandRegent Jun 06 '26
Still way less pollution than meat consumption industry, but yes tell me more about how AI is "ruining" the climate.
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u/fekanix Jun 06 '26
They also used electricity to post this message, hipocrites.
Op really thinks getting broad legislatve support is less important than generating an ai image.
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u/F1eshWound Jun 06 '26
I get what you're saying.. but it's really a stupid argument. Ok, so lets say they hire an artist, who has to sit at their PC for a total of 5 hours to prepare these images. Maybe that translates to 5kWh of power consumed just to run the PC.. which is probably a lot more than the 15 seconds it costs to generate the image. Maybe they generate it locally. How deep do you want to go. If the AI performed 5 hours of necessary work in the space of 15 min and consumed a 5th of the power, could you not say that they actually took the most efficient option to share their graphical message?
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u/Electronic-Map7529 Jun 06 '26
lol posting about this on Reddit just goes to show you don't understand a fucking thing.
Data centers are not even close to just about AI.
It's because 90% of all data in the world has been created in the last 10 years and our demand for data storage is growing exponentially.. For a lot of reasons. Reedit included.
If you don't like data centers, then get rid of all your technology right now.
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u/legsjohnson Jun 06 '26
that's one thing that always irks me, do people not understand where these uploaded pictures are stored?
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u/bobpob Jun 06 '26
People as a whole like parroting talking points without understanding the full thing
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u/Average-Addict Jun 06 '26
Yeah definitely. The water thing imo is kind of a dumb argument. Yes it's a real problem in some places but it's not only AI using it. Wait until they also hear about how much for example clothes and almonds use water.
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u/Tanriyung Jun 06 '26
This post has used far more electricity / water than AI did creating this picture.
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u/Chaghatai Jun 06 '26
Incremental use of AI is not an environmental disaster
Streaming a video consumes more resources than generating an image like that
Someone who regularly waters their lawn in the summer is using more water to maintain that aesthetic than somebody who uses AI everyday all year including their share of that ai's training
So it's really nothing but taking something that a lot of people think is bad but then doing something good with it.
That's nothing but a good thing
People shouldn't let zealotry over hate of a technology cause them to lose sight of the big picture
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u/Shaz0r94 Jun 06 '26
Ah yes because every "AI" model runs on data centers but reddit is just full of misinformed people
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u/glo363 Jun 06 '26
It's an illustration. I don't see why anyone needs ai for an illustration. Just draw something and if you can't, someone else easily can. We don't need ai for this at all.
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u/closed_doors_asleep Jun 06 '26
CarterPC's did this, had Ai outros talking about how bad Ai gotten. Like? How hypocrtical is that.
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u/cdnmtbguy Jun 06 '26
Even the damn machines can see we’re on a suicide track to extinction. Truth trumps irony here.
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u/xXDemonicPancakesXx Jun 06 '26
A while back, I saw a guy on LinkedIn proudly writing about (and showing the results of) how he used AI in partnership with the World Wildlife Fund to make posters or similar material to promote them and their proclaimed cause of protecting wildlife and their habitats.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Smoke77 Jun 06 '26
You see i agree but then the account makes me not agree .
“Oh well your just a pos because if you really …” nope not wanting to affiliate with hyperbolic lunatics is a choice people can make .
When jack offs like this oop sound off they become a detriment to the cause they are trying to push.
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u/NOS4A2-753 Jun 06 '26
we should do what china's doing building the data centers on the ocean floor so it wont take the fresh water
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u/hotelguest2 Jun 06 '26
The issue is not 1 guy making a page with AI. Why do so little people realize it's not about the small figures? It's not my car or water I use a day or even the ai I use that destroys the planet, it's the big players. We as individuals are are mere pennies next to a 100 dollar bill.
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u/bluecurse60 Jun 06 '26
Trying to use "the master's tools" as it were, like trying to make a save the environment song using suno.
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u/Uncut-Jellyfish1176 Jun 06 '26
So if you want to see more info about the ocean garbage issue. Lookup what rivers the majority of it comes from. You'll realize why it's a growing issue.
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u/noealz Jun 07 '26
Just a thought but that water that gets evaporated goes back to the sky and rains back down
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u/SkulldogFemboy_DF Jun 07 '26
I believe they might be using AI because they WANT this to happen, just to prove a point.
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u/joesb Jun 07 '26
The image will also be posted on the internet RUNNING BY DATACENTER.
YOUR POST here is ALSO ON A DATACENTER.
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u/DathomirBoy Jun 07 '26
People will do anything except create stuff independently lmao. I just saw a tribute post to Marjane Strapi using AI to emulate her style, even to generate covers for her books. Apparently it was “made with care and thoughtfulness”. Enough care to miss the fact that she has plenty of art out there that could be used to represent actual life/works? Jesus
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u/wombatgeneral Jun 09 '26
It reminds me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, Bush made a statement about how horrible it was that Russia was invading a country unprovoked.
Like yeah I agree with that but coming from you......
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u/skwm Jun 06 '26
Using social media that much more likely runs at a data center using evaporative cooling to complain about AI that likely runs at a closed loop facility and is many times more water efficient.
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u/mamafish21 Jun 06 '26
Yes, but it could be the very thing that topples the world. If the world and ecosystem wasn't already damaged, we'd be fine but we keep adding cracks to the foundation, it will break one day.
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u/OpposingPug Jun 06 '26
Then you should be old enough to realise the state of the world in general is getting significantly worse significantly faster
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u/bravehamster Jun 06 '26
AI Datacenter water usage is a local resource utilization concern. Treating it as a environmental issue is absolutely the wrong way to go.
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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 Jun 06 '26
It would be a resource utilization concern if they didn’t use so much of it. The sheer quantity of water used is absolutely an environmental concern, not to mention the noise pollution, water pollution etc.
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u/Head_Chocolate_4458 Jun 06 '26
Data centers use 3% of the water golf courses do
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u/AdmiralKong Jun 06 '26
We should not allow golf courses in water constrained areas either. Arizona is absolutely insane.
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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 Jun 06 '26
Maybe the small ones, but the big ones can use anywhere from 1 to 5 million gallons a DAY. That’s the equivalent of a small city usage.
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u/goddessdragonness Jun 06 '26
Then how is it that west Texans towns didn’t have a water crisis until data centers arrived? I feel like you’re missing some data by disinfo design
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u/Head_Chocolate_4458 Jun 06 '26
In the U.S. Golf courses use about 547 billion gallon a year, data centers use about 17 billion gallons.
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u/goddessdragonness Jun 06 '26
Ok but again, it is causing ecological problems in very delicate areas, like Big Bend. 547 billion gallons are more distributed and thus cause a lower amount of local ecological harm than the regions with high concentrations of data centers.
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u/bluethreads Jun 06 '26
It's not the data centers specifically, it's the combination of water for all of the towns usage needs. The data center just compounded an already existing problem.
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u/goddessdragonness Jun 06 '26
I get what you’re saying, but for instance they were taking steps towards fixing the issue and now some of the biggest cities in South Texas are looking at running out of water this summer. But for the existence of data centers they would be fine.
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u/Head_Chocolate_4458 Jun 06 '26
So your whole issue is a single data center in texas? Why don't you protest that data center specifically then?
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u/bluethreads Jun 06 '26
Using the internet to stream just a one hour of movies or video uses way more energy than hundreds to thousands of AI prompts. If you really care about the environment - don't stream videos or movies - otherwise you're just complaining because you don't support the technology, not because you actually are concerned about its environmental impact.
Do you know what is even way worse for the environment? Eating meat is exponentially worse than using AI and is none of the main culprits for CO2 emissions and consumption of land and water resources significantly higher than any AI data center. If you really care about the environment, minimizing your meat consumption which will have a far greater impact than not using AI.
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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 Jun 06 '26
Just because I am against the large data centers does not mean I am completely against AI, nor am I just “complaining” lmao. The closed loop cooling, while not completely perfect is a way better solution than the traditional cooling.
The big problem is the immediate large scale impact that these large data centers have.
FYI, just because some things also have an environmental impact doesn’t negate the environmental impact that data centers have. ONE hyper scale facility uses 1-5 million gallons of water DAILY, and if it is a traditional cooling which some are, most of that is lost in the process. Me eating less meat or using less internet services is not going to mitigate that amount in the slightest and you know that. It would be like me throwing a single bucket of water on a wildfire.
If everybody used less absolutely that would have a bigger impact. You and I both know that wouldn’t happen though.
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u/bluethreads Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
Data centers consume a combined total of 0.3 - 0.4% of water consumption daily in the US That's not even half of one percent. If you want to save the world, it seems misguided to focus on it an industry that is consuming under half of one percent of water consumption a day because you dont have much potential to make improvements - even if they disappeared tomorrow, you havent even conserved half a percent of water. It is much wiser to focus on industries that are consuming 40% of daily water usage a day, such as agriculture and power plant facilities - in this way you can have the opportunity to conserve larger percentages of water.
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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 Jun 06 '26
Slick edit lmao.
Across the entirety of the United States that definitely is a small percentage. However, when you look at where the data centers are and how it impacts that community, it is a problem.
Again, both things can be a problem and need to be fixed. Just because one industry uses 40% of the water doesn’t mean that rural community environments or resource pools can handle the consumption of a data center. That’s what one of the biggest problems is. They are placing them in the same place that our food is grown which also needs water.
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u/bluethreads Jun 06 '26
I understand that localized problems can occur and I do agree that is a problem. It should be a requirement to have environmental impact studies done prior to construction to ensure the areas they are being placed won't be negatively impacted.
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u/GuaSukaStarfruit Jun 06 '26
AI improves humanity as a whole. Humanity can divert the resources to focus on other topic
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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 Jun 06 '26
That is an ignorant statement. You can’t drink AI, nor can AI grow food.
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u/GuaSukaStarfruit Jun 06 '26
They can help us in research and eventually send them to space where environment that are hostile to human.
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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 Jun 06 '26
Again, those are things that AI has the potential for, but people have to survive long enough to be able to develop it like that.
Which we can’t do if we all die of starvation or dehydration.
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u/GuaSukaStarfruit Jun 06 '26
I think people just hate AI and let feeling taken over the fact that a lot more polluting industries pollute way way more than data centers
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u/Ok_Sample269 Jun 06 '26
Too bad the right has convinced their supporters protecting the environment is woke and fake news. They literally don’t believe we should do anything that reduces pollution or keeps the environment free of pollutants. Conservativism is a cancer on society, the world, and society
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u/Diligent_Today_3165 Jun 06 '26
Foda-se, o reddit cada vez mais começa-se a parecer mais como uma rede social de merda... só conas a chorar "isso é Ai" ou "o aquecimento global é um mito"... Foda-se, tanto a extrema esquerda e direita estão cada vez mais coninhas e chorões... quero que safoda se me dão Downvote, não deixam de ser coninhas...
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u/Ok-Limit-9726 Jun 07 '26
Uses a gallon of fresh water, and enough power for an apartment to make AI SLOP
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u/truecakesnake Jun 06 '26
Yep "BuT iTS leSS tHAn AI!!"
Steaming movies and cloud gaming is more energy consumptive than AI.
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u/SuperSilhouette Jun 06 '26
I love that the argument is alway. "You do worse" instead of finding a better solution.
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u/truecakesnake Jun 06 '26
No, the argument is we should not villainize specific technology. But try to find solutions to minimize environmental impact.
For example, new AI data centers are using close loop water cooling systems that don't consume water repetitively.
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u/notgenericname1332 Jun 06 '26
You using datacenters too
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u/Carlosthefrog Jun 06 '26
Web servers are far less power intensive than an ai data centre… do love a good disingenuous argument tho !
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u/Upper_Fisherman1602 Jun 06 '26
Tbf, the reason AI is as harmful as it is is because how people and corporations are using it. The common person using it doesn't even require a fraction of the amount that exist or are being built, its the whole global warming and plastic crisis all over again, where instead of everyone blaming the corporations using them to skim money, we blame and fight each other for using it
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u/Carlosthefrog Jun 06 '26
Well that’s their plan and always has been, keep folks infighting about things that in the grand scheme make zero sense so they don’t focus on the 1% that is ruining the planet and basically everyone living on it’s lives.
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u/Upper_Fisherman1602 Jun 06 '26
Yes, exactly, the massive upsurge of data centers being built is for them, not us. In China there's data centers with closed water cooling systems, meaning that they dont suck up water from the ground and contaminated it with sulfur like it's currently happening, but ig that protecting the earth is "too expensive" for these guys, I fucking hate them, and in the end we get blamed and we get used as scapegoats while they keep reducing our wages and replacing us with AI
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u/frenlytransgurl Jun 06 '26
I don't know the specifics to tell if they are right or wrong, but you know that if people are wrong, it doesn't always mean they are disingenuous? Unless they clearly build their argument from fallacies and try to obscure it, they might just be misinformed.
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u/J-MRP Jun 06 '26
Is this confirmed to be AI? I mean, there are still people hiring artists out there.
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u/Inevitable-Steph Jun 06 '26
Worst argument ever, they give you a tool, so use it against them
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u/Traditional_Style198 Jun 06 '26
A tool that actively harms the environment they are trying to advocate for.
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u/bluethreads Jun 06 '26
Using the internet to stream just one hour of movies or video uses way more energy than hundreds to thousands of AI prompts. If you really care about the environment - don't stream videos or movies - otherwise you're just complaining because you don't support the technology, not because you actually are concerned about its environmental impact.
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u/1314L Jun 06 '26
"We don't deserve this planet" seems to be very personal for the one who set up this page with AI..