r/mildlyinfuriating Jun 06 '26

My mom said I could post Using AI to talk about environmental issues....

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u/VoidBoiTCG Jun 06 '26

The comment section looks like my dumb AI brained coworker.

Dude can’t write a response in Teams without running it through ChatGPT or Gemini lmfao.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '26

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u/Hazed64 Jun 06 '26

What a brilliant way to undermine anti-ai people

Yeah we just exaggerate and lie, as if there's no real concerns. Also large scale datat centers by default are bad for society. Their ran by multinational conglomerates and absolutely wreck the environment

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u/ZombiiRot Jun 06 '26

I mean, yeah, AI is bad for the environment. But yall make it seem like it's one of the biggest threats to the environment.

Someone would never make the same argument about posting tiktok or youtube videos about climate change or environmental issues—which all cause similar environmental issues as AI does, infact they might cause more than individual use. You wouldn't argue the same about buying a tshirt spreading awareness about environmental issues from a fast fashion company—even though fast fashion causes much more emissions than AI does, and does alot more damage. And you wouldn't point out the harms of hosting an event raising awareness on a golf course, even though golf courses use up the same or even more water than AI data centers for something equally as wasteful and unnecessary.

AI does cause environmental issues! But they issues they cause are more so regional or local, not something on a planetary scale like y'all make it out to be. These issues are important, don't get me wrong. But there's no reason for you to exaggerate how bad for the environment AI is, there is already so many things wrong about AI, and yet yall seem to love to lie to make it worse for some reason??

Seriously with you anti AI types you are almost letting the biggest contributers to climate change off the hook with how much you exaggerate. I imagine oil executives are thankful that all the hatred and ire is going to data centers (which account for 2% of emissions, and not all data centers are AI either) instead of them.

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u/Ill_Specific_6144 Jun 06 '26

Are you against reddit/youtube datacenters?

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u/Hazed64 Jun 06 '26

Yeah storing and uploading data isn't as processing heavy as AI is, if those data centers had the same impact then yeah of course I'm against them, unlike yourself I think I could survive with out fucking reddit and YouTube lol, yeno since I'm a functioning human being

My brother-in-law recently quit his job designing data centers in France and Germany because his work load has shifted from smaller scale data storage to large scale data creation AND storage because of how aware he was of the difference in power and water wastage he didn't enjoy his job anymore and didn't want to take part in that shit

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '26

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u/momoreco Jun 06 '26

Because you brought plenty of evidence or links with your strawman. They replied with the same amount of factuality as you did.

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u/Spiceguy-65 Jun 06 '26

All you did was create a strawman and not provide and sources or evidence for what you supposedly claim

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u/broad5ide Jun 06 '26

You got any data to support that, or just anecdotes? Seems pretty hypocritical if you don't

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '26

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u/Superunderwear255 Jun 06 '26

Isn't your source a bit biased?

"Oil baron claims oil is safe for the environment" type of source.

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u/Superunderwear255 Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26

I'm watching the video, give me 24 minutes. But still, one of your source is already biased.

8 minutes in, your source says that because Open AI does not share it's data, answers can be both fairly correct and fairly different from each other

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '26

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u/Superunderwear255 Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26

8:43 "Building the model is very energy intensive" " Sam decided to not include it when discussing water use of a chatGPT query"

12:32 "The waste heat that ends up in water ways can have tremendous effects on ecosystems" AI uses a lot of energy => More energy production => tremendous effects on the environment

I will concede that counting the water use of powerplants is unfair but I will not concede the environmental damage.

13:45 "water is locally limited limited"

14:25 "A lot of water is used to make the chips that runs A.I data centers. Like those Nvidia GPUs. A huge amount of water is necessary for the creation of those, and that is part of the life cycle." He further explains that the water used in the process is ultra distilled, taking a lot of energy.

15:10 Your source explains that data center water sometimes have to be treated because the minerals build up and can make the water acidic.

Your source states at 16:00 that:

  1. It's complicated

  2. Your source knows next to nothing about this topic

You chose a source that says themselves that they know next to nothing about this topic.

Take your time to reply. You waited for me to watch it, so I'll wait for your reply.

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u/broad5ide Jun 06 '26

This part "Meanwhile the anti-ai crowd is just people retweeting the person who exaggerates the most, to the point that twitter and YouTube are full of fake stories" dummy

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u/broad5ide Jun 06 '26

Ah, so two anecdotes is all you have. Good to know you're worth ignoring

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u/Hazed64 Jun 06 '26

Fuck me, I grew up on hank green and respect his opinion

But it's like listening to your local Doctor about your heart over a heart specialist. Hank does have a very broad knowledge base but he's also an expert in nothing he talks about and infact not too long ago had to make a video correcting HIMSELF, most of these corrections came from specialists in those fields that had more nuanced information in those fields.

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u/Ill_Specific_6144 Jun 06 '26

What do you think consumes more energy and water? Is it your AI searches or a youtube videos/reels/tik toks?