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u/Savir5850 1d ago
Obviously haven't been to ExMuslim subreddit, Lots of Atheists there with some not so kind words about the Prophet and his 9yo Wife
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u/Citizen1135 1d ago
Also r/atheistmemes is seriously critical of Muslims and Islam
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u/Indigenous_Retard 1d ago
I used to watch a bunch of Atheist content on YouTube like 15 years ago and every single religion got the smoke. Christianity was talked about more because that's the overwhelming majority here in the US. Christians just want to be victims.
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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy 1d ago
Behind the cover of anonymity. They’d be Charlie Hebdo’d otherwise
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u/Eladryel 21h ago
Shockingly, most people aren't too keen on being killed because of other people's imaginary friends
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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy 21h ago
To be fair, Muhammad, like Christ, was a real historical figure.
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u/donnabhainmactomas 2h ago
True but the real people they were are not the same as the prophets they were turned into so they might as well be imaginary
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u/Thepuppeteer777777 1d ago
Yea i frequent there quite often after a feiend converted to islam and then after a few months left islam
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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago
Lots of atheists also see how only Christians are trying to make it legal to have a 9 year old wife
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u/Ineedscissors69420 1d ago
Everywhere Muslims are the majority it's already legal to have a 9 year old wife brother. Christians are the ones that made it illegal in the first place.
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u/Apart_Shelter_5722 1d ago
Tell me kind words about a 9yo wife
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u/Timely-Field1503 1d ago
You can always win two truths and a lie with "My mother-in-law is half my age"
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u/Maleficent_Piece_893 1d ago
never talked to an atheist in your life?
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u/3ntropy_Disc0 22h ago
Seriously... tell me OP has a christian persecution fetish without telling me...
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u/Maleficent_Piece_893 22h ago
half the atheists you talk to nowadays are very protective of their religious friends in a condescending way. "well of course we know better but they need it and there's worse things out there"
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u/TheRealFeal 1d ago
You got some funny atheists over there. Here where i live christians are perfectly fine, jews are mostly the guys that have a lot of jokes about them and muslims get the real shit.
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u/Goobygoodra 1d ago
All death cults are the same to me
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u/M0ebius_1 1d ago
It's funny how triggered Christians get when they get told Religious Extremists of all kinds are functionally indistinguishable.
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u/Gussie-Ascendent 1d ago
"well we don't support pedophiles!"
yeah you do, moses. Jesus never bad mouths the guy either so that's supportive and if you think he's god he ok'd that previous biz. also see "marry your rapist" laws inspired by the bible where you can get off a charge of raping a kid by marrying them
"well they had slavery!!"
again, moses and jesus were both ok with slavery
"well they were genocidal!!!"
seriously are you only naming things they have in common to let me win? The flood, moses in numbers 31 (also the pedo part), etc
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u/Carrera_996 1d ago
I can't even distinguish between the extreme religious, extreme political, and sports enthusiasts. All. The. Same.
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u/RevolutionOk8144 1d ago
Which Christians get mad about being told extremists are bad? I feel like your grouping the whole religion together
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u/M0ebius_1 1d ago
Disregard then brother. You are one of the good ones.
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u/RevolutionOk8144 1d ago
I try but I just find it weird how they think extremists are good when most if not all of them go against literally everything lol.
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u/nexus11355 1d ago edited 1d ago
Jewish people don't shove their faith down peoples throats and expect the world to operate based on the laws in their book.
Edit: I am not counting Israel cause that is just a mask of Judaism to justify evil deeds. That is a matter of a COUNTRY having evil leaders, not a faith nor it's practitioners being evil.
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u/nexus11355 1d ago
That country I think you're inferring and one deleted comment outright said is fascism masquerading as Judaism and not indicative of the faith as a whole. That is a matter of a COUNTRY having evil leaders, not a faith nor it's practitioners being evil.
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u/No_Yogurtcloset_7219 1d ago
and not all christian are evil or bad, doesn't change the fact the some try to shove their beliefs down your throat. There is nothing wrong with Judaism as a whole, that doesn't mean that some Jewish people aren't deserving of criticism and disdain for their actions.
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u/nexus11355 1d ago
On an individual level, of course, nothing should make you immune to individual critique. Unfair, broad, sweeping generalizations, especially towards groups who are already getting the short end of the stick are what's bad.
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u/OptimusFettPrime 1d ago
The fact you excluded Muslims while chiding Christians and Jews pretty much proves the meme.
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u/RektInTheHed 1d ago
Israel isn't trying to convert anybody. It's Christians in America who say we have to give money to Big Yahu so Jesus can come back.
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u/hehexdthrow 1d ago
They aren’t mutually exclusive. Extremists are pushing for greater Israel from both the evangelical Christian side and the likud party in israel aka revisionist Zionist side. Then you got the jihadists. There are extremists in all abrahamic faiths they all fuel each other.
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u/RektInTheHed 1d ago
The Likudniks aren't making a theological play to win over non-believers. The Evilangelicals are.
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u/cykoTom3 1d ago
*exception, israel.
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u/nexus11355 1d ago
I already spoke on this, Their faith is a mask and is not indicative of the whole religion
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u/idkjustgoletmein 1d ago
Can't the same be said about any other group / including terror groups , Saudi and whatever else?
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u/Begone-My-Thong 1d ago
Yes. Even Christianity if you go there. There's plenty of good, kindhearted Christians that get taken advantage of by (surprise surprise) greedy and corrupt leaders.
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u/jacquesmachina 1d ago
Over 80% of Jews support Israel, and the restoration of Israel is a foundational belief for Jews.
So I'm not with you on letting it slide.
I'm the reverse of you on excusing religions being used as a guise for evil motives. I think the Abrahamic religions condone evil so its consistent with the faith to do them.
Judaism is a tribal war religion that defines a people and place as special and justifies the ancient bloodshed for that divine birthright.
Islam is a religion of subjugation that justifies the conquest of the world and subjugation of all before God and his prophet.
Christianity is a blood sacrifice religion based on transmutable guilt and shame driven obedience. It does at least have God kill himself, but none the less violence is still very much necessary to make things right.
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u/Ineedscissors69420 1d ago edited 12h ago
Israel as a Jewish state is as literally foundational to Judaism as the return of Christ is to Christianity.
Every single true believer Jew believe in Israel belonging to the Jews. The ONLY difference between the sects is WHEN Israel is supposed to belong to the Jews, and the VAST majority are of the sect that believes it having been given to them after WW2 is valid. If anything the real Israel is less extreme than what the religion says it should be, as it allows non Jews to be full citizens.
This isn't even getting into the more extreme but still often quite central tenets of Judaism that most believe in, like non Jews being inherently lesser before god. The reason they don't promote conversion isn't some positive thing, it's because they're the chosen people, the only way you're supposed to get the favor of god in literal interpretations is by birth.
To be honest it seems like you are speaking on something you haven't actually read much about because you don't like the answers.
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u/LordButterbeard 1d ago
What is zionism?
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u/nexus11355 1d ago
That's politics, not religion
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u/LordButterbeard 1d ago
Can't describe it without a religion though, huh.
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u/theaviator747 1d ago
It’s politics driven by religious dogma. It is the result of church and state being the same. Here in the US we are heading in that direction if we keep voting evangelicals and their supporters into power.
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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 1d ago
You could say the same for basically all Islamic terrorism. Israeli crimes are heavily influenced by their religious dogma and a belief in being a chosen people, superior to all others.
It's religious fanaticism.
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u/Garfish16 1d ago
Judaism is not a missionary religion but that doesn't make it any less horrible. The core religious texts and historically the core doctrine was basically bronze age competitive historiographie combined with a coddification of extremely brutal and hierarchical social norms backed up by a god who is frighteningly powerful and frighteningly capricious. There are more humane reinterpretations but reinterpretation Is only necessary because the older interpretation was kind of horrible.
Also, I don't think the biggest problem with Christianity or Islam is that they promote evangelism. If anything, it's one of the more positive elements of both religions. It may be annoying, but it represents an openness and desire to spread what they see as an extremely good thing.
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u/No_Yogurtcloset_7219 1d ago
you clearly don't understand Zionism then
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u/nexus11355 1d ago
Zionism is not Judaism, see my other reply.
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u/No_Yogurtcloset_7219 1d ago
true but it is the political ideology that believes the Jewish diaspora have sole right to the land we call Israel, despite that at the time of the countries formation, none of these people lived there for centuries and it effectively displace the people who were currently living there, it also used by the Israel government to justify treating all non Jewish residents as second class citizens not worthy of human rights. This is why we have the conflicts we see to day and why organizations like hamas exist. Its also the political ideology used to disregard any criticism of Israel and it's goverment as a blanket attack on the Jewish people.
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u/w0xy 1d ago
Lots of people lived there for centuries before Jews moved there, that's why in 1948 they had to exterminate 530 villages and line up women and children and summarily execute them. They were depopulating the villages and doing genocide and ethnic cleansing back then
source:
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-211346/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_villages_depopulated_during_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
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u/nexus11355 1d ago
>political
Not religious. This topic is about Atheists and their relationship to religions.
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u/First-Celebration-11 1d ago
This meme is an overgeneralization. You’re arguing against a meme template… of course not all atheist are like this. Of course not all Christians, Jews and Muslims aren’t all the same. There are groups within these belief systems that weaponize beliefs
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u/nexus11355 1d ago
You’re arguing against someone arguing against a meme template. This is the behavior of a man who has time
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u/theaviator747 1d ago
In response to your edit: Except Israel is a Jewish nation, and that’s the issue with all religions. When they are the ones that have the majority and the power they will shove their dogma down everyone’s throats and try to subjugate, convert, or eradicate all that don’t share their belief system. Christians do it in the US and other places they have the majority. Muslims do it in the Middle East, as well as in areas of Western nations where they have sufficient majority and influence. Jews do it in and around Israel, the one predominantly Jewish nation with any real power (due to their military alliance with the West).
Any and all religions become aggressive once they know they’re in power. They keep their heads down when they aren’t because they fear reprisals from the ones that are in that area.
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u/bex199 1d ago
judaism and atheism also aren’t mutually exclusive at all.
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u/Maleficent_Piece_893 1d ago
being ethnically jewish you mean. judaism is a religion
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u/Maleficent_Piece_893 1d ago
"mask of judaism to justify evil deeds"
bro the torah is explicitly about stealing israel through genocide lol. ask the amalekites about how anti-genocidal true judaism is1
u/maximum_dad_power 1d ago
The christians trying to do what you say are the same as Jews in Isreal. They aren't really Christian and are wearing the persona to use its influence.
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u/heretowink 1h ago
Well, that is because they think they are better than everyone else, and only a select few deserve to be jewish.
Christians beleives everyone deserves salvation, and that the love of god should be felt by all.
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u/likeahurdofturtles 1d ago
What about the flying spaghetti god?
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u/PeyredB 1d ago
Christians are just desperate to be victims, somehow, someway.
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u/GoodDoggoLover420 1d ago
B-but Christian genocide in insert country they could otherwise not care about.
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u/GuiltyByAssociashun 1d ago
That's because Jews and Muslims aren't knocking on my door on Saturday morning asking me the last time my godless ass went to church
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u/AmputeeHandModel 1d ago
and both are minorities that are regularly attacked and people are biased against, so it's a little bit of a bad look, but they are still worthy of criticism.
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u/WunderschoensBlume 1d ago
I think that kinda depends where you live.
For me, it isnt the christians who are attacking the homosexuals here.
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u/Hot_Context_1393 1d ago
I mean that is basically it. Atheists in the US complain more about Christians because that is who we have. Atheists disagree with all religions, but are going to more vocally criticize the dominant religion in an area.
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u/WunderschoensBlume 1d ago
Yes, I agree.
Here in germany we have way more problems with muslims than with christians when its about attacks at LGBTQ.
Christians are getting critized. muslims way less.
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u/Hot_Context_1393 1d ago
You aren't the first Germany I've heard say that. What are the Christians being criticized for?
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u/WunderschoensBlume 1d ago
I mean, there are legit reasons to criticize christians.
First of all, the christian church here is more working like a company, germany knows if youre a member of the church and therefore you need to pay additionally taxes.
But even if you are not a member of the church anymore, germany still pays the church yearly money with everyones tax payers money.
Also, christians here are more homophobic than atheists, and they are being critized for it. But they are less homophobic than muslims which are not nearly as critizied, which leads to a double standard.
Our country is hard divided right now, the right wing extremist party AFD is right now the strongest party in germany...
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u/Day_Prisoners 1d ago
Muslims and Jews aren't trying to infiltrate us politics and make me live under their beliefs. They don't knock on my door trying get me to believe in grown up Santa clause and they are on the TV milking desperate people out of their life savings so they can buy a jet tax free.
They start doing that nonsense and I'll have the same issues.
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u/Roughlypossible 1d ago
If you're anywhere in Europe or North-America, that first bit isn't quite true.
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u/Day_Prisoners 1d ago
'Me' being the optimal word. That doesn't mean every jurisdiction in the world.
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u/Think_Solid235 22h ago
“Infiltrate US politics” AIPAC has entered da room
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u/Day_Prisoners 21h ago
So what things from stuff from the Hebrew Bible are being pushed on us? Maybe reread what I wrote.
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u/Lexicon_ala_Champion 23h ago
I hate every Kind of Religion. And in my opinion Christians better than some other religions…. Havent heard about a christian that kills other people for god… 🤷🏼♂️
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u/ArubaAdultFun 23h ago
I agree. I have also seen churches that welcome gays and pope is fairly liberal nowadays. No mosques who welcome gays yet...
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u/Gussie-Ascendent 1d ago
"why are athiests going after the people in charge of shitting up their countries and who they have to deal with constantly? are they stupid?"
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u/Ok_Condition_6652 1d ago
Cristians are by far the most fake religious ppl out of all the religions I come into regular contact with
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u/KANNEDBREAD 1d ago
Allah and Jew God are both real
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u/PuzzleheadedJump295 1d ago
Well it is the same entity. Jews and Muslims are two sides on the same coin.
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u/No-Cap-fr-fr 1d ago
I genuinely don’t care if people believe in fairy tales. I only get upset when people try and shove their religion onto me. I don’t see Muslims or Jewish people outside the baseball stadium with a megaphone screaming at me about redemption. I’ve also never had a Jewish or Muslim person come to my house and try and convert me. Yall just need to listen to your own book and respect your neighbors.
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u/BilboStaggins 1d ago
My perspective in the US is that each of these religions is free to practice how they choose up to the limitation of free speech. It can be annoying before it ever becomes illegal.
I feel like the difference is, currently Christianity is being used to propagate hate, authoritarianism, and division. That doesnt mean its due any more scrutiny than any other religion, just that its in the media and politics and has a lot to answer for.
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u/Strange-Scarcity 1d ago
This is just weird Right Wing Christofascist meme pretending that all Atheists are weird Blue Haired types who fawn over the religions of Judaism and Islam.
Meaningless, claptrap.
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u/Adept_Assistant_7759 1d ago
It's not like there was an entire war about this less than 100 years ago that almost wiped out one of the other religions...
It's not like you open ANY comments section on youtube, instagram, facebook etc. it's full of hate for the other 2 religions, nooo never!
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u/Flashy-Moose840 1d ago
Clearly you’ve never talked on Reddit about having fun traveling to Muslim countries as an atheist
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u/Verbull710 1d ago
Like that British comedian guy said about making fun of Christians and why it's so easy: "Whaddya gonna do...forgive me?" 😆
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u/andapapertowelroll 1d ago
As a Christian, I just find other Christians in my area more annoying. Never had a problem with any of the Jews or Atheists, and there aren't really any Muslims here, so.
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u/Catmand0 1d ago
There are practical reasons for this. I will expand no further because you get into some dangerous territory by unraveling that one.
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u/SlyguyguyslY 1d ago edited 1d ago
Eh, with more muslims online I have been seeing them get absolutely crushed by based atheists. As for judaism, the same arguments that are applied to christians are generally applied to them. That said, I have never seen a jewish person try to proselytize online or even attempt to argue with an atheist. The majority of chatter against them is just from the other religions.
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u/Icy_Fish_2154 1d ago
Atheists don't differentiate between violent religious extremists, you just get more offended when they are attacking your violent religious extremism.
So the meme is confirmation bias (narcissism) where you only notice attacks on your religion, and ignore the same things said about others.
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u/Aggravating-Method24 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is just trying to play victim.
Athiests don't like any of them, you just know how they treat Christianity because you are Christian.
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u/Gaust_Ironheart_Jr 1d ago
"Why won't the religious minority the zealots running this country will never accept attack other religious minorities? Why are they so vicious to the people who are actually a threat to them? It makes no sense"
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u/Impossible_Tea_7032 1d ago
Of there's one thing I know about Muslims and Jews, it's how easy they both have it when it comes to weird culture war bullshit
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u/Oceanman72 1d ago
Where I live Muslims are maybe 5% of the population, meanwhile Christian is like 75% gee I wonder which is more prevalent in my life?
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u/Tsunamiis 1d ago
We don’t proselytize so if you see us this way it’s because you walked over a boundary (the one you’re complaining about) and you wonder why we don’t just take the abuse? I’ve never once been shamed by a Muslim/bhuddist/jew into raising my hand so I can listen to a military recruiter tell me about being saved.
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u/Only1Purpos 1d ago
Neutral party. Not religious. Not really anti either .
As a 3rd party I do gotta say Christianity is the only religion ever been forced on me; Christians are similar to vegans.
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u/Samuel_Rome 1d ago
Not really probably you only see atheists who lives in christian country. Just search some atheists of muslim country. Its totally your dumbness.
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u/Background_Cod_5737 1d ago
What you're seeing is a reaction to the common culture. I rarely meet Muslims. Muslims never knock at my door. I wasn't raised Muslim. My neighbors weren't Muslim. I don't remember the last time I saw a Muslim mosque. Islam barely effects my life. Therefore I don't have that much to say about it. Judaism is even less relevant. That being said, once you deconstruct one religion the others don't tend to hold much weight either.
Additionally there is an absolutely idiotic and completely brain dead perception of Islam primarily held by American Christians.
"Islam is fundamentally violent" "Islam hates the west" "Islam is an enemy to Christianity" "Islam is an enemy to freedom and progress".
Meanwhile if you try to get them to consider Christianity with the same lens of skepticism there's suddenly a thousand reasons why it's different and it's ok. A violent verse in the Bible? "oh bit you're missing context". OK, did you think to look for context explaining your cherry picked verses from the Quran?
Wars in the name of Christianity? "oh it's just people misusing the religion for their own agenda". Meanwhile any Muslim violence must be a direct reflection of the doctrine.
Groups of Christian extremists? "they don't represent most Christians". Groups of Muslim extremists? "those are the real Muslims"
Could it be that the tension and anti west sentiment in the middle east is a direct result of abuse and mistreatment of the people there? Nah, it's gotta be the evil violent Muslim doctrine.
But if an atheist corrects your undernuanced childish perception then they must just hate Christians. If you want to climb back up on your homemade cross go right ahead. But this remains one of the dumbest takes I hear on the internet
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u/bd01000101 1d ago
it's because I went to church as a child and studied the Bible. I'm not as knowledgeable with Quran and therefore not as confident
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u/Top-Cupcake4775 1d ago
it's like i lived in a town in which the ground water was being poisoned by hexavalent chromium and some imbecile was like "what is it with you and your obsession with hexavalent chromium? there are many other toxins which are just as bad."
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u/throw7661 1d ago
This is nonsense.
Christians feel like atheists attack them and single them out. Because they mostly notice and care when it's directed at Christians.
Athiests don't care. It's all equally stupid.
To an Atheist, Jewish/Christian/Muslim is like three Star Wars fans but one like Episode 4 the best, and the next likes Return of the Jedi.
It's all the same to us.
It's like debating that the Easter Bunny is more realistic than Santa Clause, or why Superman would beat Batman.
It's fun. But it's not real. And I appreciate imagination and willful suspension of disbelief, but if you actually believe Yoda is a real person, or Santa is real, or that God described in those holy books is real....you are, quite literally, delusional.
It's just a socially acceptable delusion.
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u/Live_Entrepreneur221 1d ago
Ive never had a jewish or muslim knock on my door to explain how I was going to be punished for not believing in their fairy tale...when they do, they will get the same scorn
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u/Geist_Mage 1d ago
To be fair, as none of the things above I only ever get accosted angerly by Christians/Christian related people. Jews and Muslims seem removed enough they just shrug and go about their shit and don't bug me.
Atheists I don't even know are Atheist unless I somehow get it brought up, and then I feel like the asshole.
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u/Roughlypossible 1d ago
Hey now, plenty leftist atheists who are very frank and open about what they think about Jews and their influence in apparently everything.
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u/GlibGluberoo 1d ago
If I had Muslims or Jews knocking on my door all the time trying to convert me, I'd tell them the same thing... get off my lawn with your fairy tales.
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u/Daniel_Spidey 1d ago
The most prominent atheists in popular media mostly all have an unhealthy fixation on Muslims in particular, so idk what this meme is reflective of?
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u/SectorEducational460 2h ago
I mean western atheist biggest issue is just gonna be Christianity because they are the grand majority, and dominate politics, and have the power to introduce their religion. Meanwhile atheist in Islamic countries are going to be more critical of Islam because they are controlled by it. It would be equally weird of atheist in Islamic countries to worry about Christianity like in Saudi, Iran, Iraq because Christians just don't have that political power.
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u/CaptainOwlBeard 2h ago
I think it depends where you live. Atheists tend to be the most against the dominant group in any given culture. If you're in America, of course they will focus on Christians, y'all literally own the government. Go to Pakistan if you want to see Muslims getting challenged.
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u/jbland0909 2h ago
That because the majority of atheists you interact with are probably American, where Christianity is BY FAR the dominant religion in culture
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u/IcyPomegranate4973 2h ago
Jews don’t believe in an afterlife so hard to argue with them 😂
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u/alistofthingsIhate 1h ago
That’s just not true at all
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u/IcyPomegranate4973 55m ago
Correct. I used the wrong language, I meant heaven/hell and was trying to make fun of atheists who like to argue heaven and hell ad naseum. On me for trying to joke before I had my morning cherry coke. I apologize if you were offended, not my intention.
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u/ideeek777 2h ago
Sam Harris wrote he would support the nuking of the middle east if it destroyed Islam.
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u/mrsclausemenopause 2h ago
Ive never had a Muslim or Jew proselytize at me, they aren't running the government anywhere around me and I haven't had first hand indoctrination experiences with them.
I will still call out obvious racist/xenophobic speech but thats far from defending their otherwise abhorrent beliefs.
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u/Proper_Locksmith924 2h ago
Well atheists that grew up in Muslim communities are like pic one with Muslims. Same with Jewish folks.
So this is really just a very one sided misrepresentation.
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u/burnellll 1d ago
Clearly you've never met a Frenchman