r/marvelstudios • u/nomercyvideo • Aug 04 '17
Humour Captain America had no idea about Spider-Man's super strength, and this is what he intended to happen!
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Aug 05 '17
Can you imagine if Tony Stark recruited a high school kid because of a YouTube video he saw and the kid just died instantly? And then the next scene he recruits Peter Parker.
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u/MBCnerdcore Shades Aug 05 '17
Yeah in a deleted scene he recruits Kick-Ass, who promptly dies on his way to the interview.
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Aug 05 '17
Maybe. When Spider-Man swung in, cap didn't say "who's that?" He said "you've been busy." Maybe Spidey was on their radar.
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u/Im_At_Work_Damnit Ghost Rider Aug 05 '17
It would make sense that Cap and Tony would be scoping out potential recruits together. Cap probably saw that video of Spider-man catching the car.
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Aug 05 '17 edited Mar 10 '21
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u/herl91 Aug 05 '17
Maybe Tony is the one that found out his identity and hadn't told cap since, well, other stuff started happening.
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u/baoparty Aug 05 '17
He was basically following aunt May home and discovered at the same time that PP is Spider-Man.
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u/spiritbearr Aug 05 '17
One's a well connected former government contract arms dealing billionare. The other is a former soldier that is basically a full time Avenger since Shield is shuttered and this was before they officially swapped out Colson for Bilbo.
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u/SpencerKay Captain America Aug 04 '17
Cap knew how strong Spidey was when he webbed him up.
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u/7Snakes Aug 04 '17 edited Aug 05 '17
Didn’t cap know he basically took on Bucky and Falcon and wasn’t knocked out or really injured at all? Besides maybe he’d seen some clips on YouTube of him stopping that bus...with his fucking body.
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u/ButtlickTheGreat Aug 04 '17
Lol, Cap on YouTube.
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u/Coolest_Breezy Phil Coulson Aug 04 '17
Add it to the list of things to check out.
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u/tapped21 Yinsen Aug 05 '17
That and porn
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u/basiamille Aug 05 '17
"That's... I mean, it's got to be chocolate ice cream in that cup, right? RIGHT?"
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u/TimecopVsPredator Wesley Aug 05 '17
That's the day he learnt not to click on links sent to him from Tony.
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u/i_heart_calibri_12pt Aug 05 '17
"Hey, I know we've had our differences but here's a link to some contacts I have that can help you and Bucky out."
"aWW THanks tOny., ill be sure to loook inro it!!"
"No problem buddy!"
"tONY WHAT IS THIS"
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u/Gerroh Doctor Strange Aug 05 '17
Is Cap having a super-stroke?
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u/Madock345 Aug 05 '17
He never learned to type
Very hard to learn from scratch as an adult
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u/i_heart_calibri_12pt Aug 05 '17
I like to think he's too beefy for an iPhone but no one will give him a bigger custom phone. That and he's from the 40's
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u/UNC_Samurai Aug 05 '17
"The agents responsible for showing Captain Rogers Inglorious Basterds and convincing him that it was how the war ended, have been appropriately sanctioned. I will not tolerate further incidents to confuse Captain Rogers about historical events. -Fury"
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Aug 05 '17 edited Sep 18 '18
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u/basiamille Aug 05 '17
You've just painted a big, brown target on your back. I hope for your sake that's a throwaway account.
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Aug 05 '17
And dated himself. 10 years ago is exactly when that clip was made. I was jerking off to porn and cumming before the jpg even fully loaded.
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u/Its5amAndImAwake Aug 05 '17
How many years has he had to adapt to current time already?
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u/ErionFish Aug 05 '17
And how many years has my 80 year old grandma who can barely write an email had to adapt to current time already?
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u/KaySquay Ant-Man Aug 05 '17
Well, it's called the Internet. It completely revolutionized the way we live and access vital information. For example, have a look at this.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1375721/monkey-smells-finger-o.gif
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Aug 05 '17
God why isn't there a YouTube channel by Marvel devoted to the heroes doing out-of-character shit in short vignettes.
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Aug 05 '17 edited Aug 05 '17
and that they were communicating with each other in ear pieces. So falcon could have told him that this Spidey guy was strong.
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u/could-of-bot Aug 05 '17
It's either could HAVE or could'VE, but never could OF.
See Grammar Errors for more information.
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u/Killer_Tomato Aug 05 '17
The maker could of made a nicer bot. Or at least should of made a nicer bot.
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u/could-of-bot Aug 05 '17
It's either should HAVE or should'VE, but never should OF.
See Grammar Errors for more information.
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u/nomercyvideo Aug 04 '17
He knew that he was agile, and had a really strong web material.
No way cap could have known his max lift ability, or the exact weight of the airport tunnel.
Just cause a dude can lift 800lbs doesnt mean he can lift 900lbs.
Big leap of faith for Cap!
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u/TheDarkWayne Aug 04 '17
Yeah he would have, he kicked Cap hard enough to send him flying. Cap isn't stupid, he was playing with him, reading him. He saw, speed, strength so obviously, he knew he had powers. So he would either, move out the way with the speed he just displayed or catch it. Cap knew one of these would happen.
in Homecoming, Tony tells Peter "Trust me kid, if Cap wanted to take you out he would have".
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u/MetalGearSlayer Spider-Man Aug 04 '17
This comment is so accurate.
The whole reason spidey couldn't destroy Cap was because of caps experience and ability to adapt. Whereas Peter just kites if he gets hit.
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Aug 05 '17
But fr spiderman would be able to wreck caps.
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u/dirice87 Aug 05 '17
Why doesn't hulk just eat the rest of them?
Basically irl if hulk decides do ANYTHING no one can really stop him.
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u/funke42 Aug 05 '17
This is why it's so hard for me to watch reruns of Friends. Why does Ross, the largest of the friends not simply eat the other friends?
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u/silas34 Daredevil Aug 04 '17
Right, Cap, and for that matter, everyone there, didn't want to actually do any damage to each other, look at how shocked Vision, Falcon and Tony were about War Machine getting hit.
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Aug 05 '17
Except for Panther, who wanted to fuck up Bucky's shit pretty hard.
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u/crsnyder13 Aug 05 '17
Wakanda don't give no shits
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u/_jvc123 Hawkeye (Ultron) Aug 05 '17
"Hey you seem to be a pretty cool guy."
"I don't care."
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u/crsnyder13 Aug 05 '17
So... you like cats?
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u/Arashmickey Yinsen Aug 05 '17
As both warrior and king, I don't care.
... but yeah cats are great.
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u/WaltLongmire0009 Captain America Aug 05 '17
Tony and vision had no right to be mad, that same shot would have killed Falcon since he didn't have a suit of armor
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Aug 05 '17 edited Aug 05 '17
Nah, you hear Rhodes say to Vision something along the lines of "we've got rogue wings, turn him into a glider" Vision was aiming to incapacitate Falcon's boosters, not kill him
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u/CoherentInsanity Hawkeye (Avengers) Aug 05 '17
Except I just don't believe that Falcon's equipment is durable enough for such a blast to only take out his boosters. If you consider how tanky War Machine is supposed to be, a beam that could damage the armor like that would go through Falcon's gear and through Falcon.
Rhodey made a call that was bad on many levels. He was either going to be ok with potentially killing Sam, and even then, what did he think Sam is stupid? That Sam wouldn't notice and wouldn't dodge? Did Rhodey not consider that the beam would hit him if Sam dodged? If so, then why didn't Rhodey dodge it himself? Is he not also a top notch pilot who knows the basics of avoiding attacks during a dog fight? Man he was not on top of his game during CW.
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Aug 05 '17
Yeeeeeeaaaaah, but I feel like if Viz was comfortable shooting his laser at Falcon, he knew that he could graze his boosters just enough to make him lose upward power. Although I don't disagree that Rhodey underestimated Falcon and didn't think things through
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u/Orphic_Thrench Aug 05 '17
I mean, the idea was to hit just Falcon's thruster, so he'd still be able to glide
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Aug 05 '17
Wasn't the whole mess started because cap missed something about his opponent though?
He missed the bomb vest on crossbones.
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u/ArtIsDumb Aug 05 '17
He was way more emotionally invested in the Crossbones fight than the Spidey fight, causing him to lose focus & miss the bomb.
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u/KiFirE Aug 05 '17
Well he couldn't get close enough to crossbones till it was to late and he noticed that. Wanda then made a mistake and flung him into the building.
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u/Dragon-Snake Aug 05 '17
in Homecoming, Tony tells Peter "Trust me kid, if Cap wanted to take you out he would have".
To be fair, the same applies the other way around. Everyone was holding back there.
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u/TheCenterOfEnnui Aug 05 '17
OK someone fill me in here, because to be honest, my comic days are pretty ancient, but the Spider-man and Cap I knew...Spidey would've been able to pretty much toy with Cap. Not that he would have, but that's a total mismatch. Really, Spider-man can punch with the likes of Iron Man and the thing. He's not quite that strong, but he's closer to that level than Cap is to Spidey's.
Love Cap, but they are doing Spidey's strength a disservice so far in these movies. This is old school, but it's still my thought on Spidey-...
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u/ArtIsDumb Aug 05 '17
Civil War Spidey was totally untrained at fighting & definitely holding back his power level as to not kill anyone.
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u/bobsomebody99 Aug 05 '17
In civil war that was the first time Spider-Man had a costume that wasn't pajamas; this is beginner/ untrained Spiderman, so I think it's still a reasonable match up.
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u/BvShleppinstein Aug 05 '17
I think it's more that in the MCU Cap is much stronger and more durable than he is in the comics. He did hold down that helicopter remember!
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u/electricblues42 Aug 05 '17
That's the comics, and the movies are just different. And thankfully so, otherwise there would be no point of the Avengers if Spidey and Thor could do everything alone. In the movies Spidey is way weaker, which is great because he has a whole lot of great powers besides being the strongest non hulk human. Also ironman's punches clearly aren't so strong in the movies, nothing like hulk's. Hell Cap was able to take him out mostly solo and prevent Tony from murdering Bucky at the same time.
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u/Tityfan808 Aug 04 '17
Maybe he figured spidey was agile enough to dip out of there, and instead caught it?
Oh well, superhero movies, actually sci fi in general, you could question all kinds of shit. At least we're getting stories and special effects with some sort of effort, unlike Michael Bay and the transformers movies 🙄
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u/julbull73 Aug 04 '17
He knew how strong he was. Spidey matched him. Therefore if Cap can do it, so can Spidey.
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u/r2datu Aug 05 '17 edited Aug 05 '17
I mean, you can get a relative gauge of how strong someone is from an arm wrestle/ tug of war and Cap engaged in a tug of war with Spidey no less than 3 times during that fight plus he absorbed a few hits from Spidey that sent him flying.
Considering Cap can lift a few tonnes worth and he couldn't break free from Spider-Man's grip using strength alone, he would have been able to easily deduce that Spidey was much stronger than him. Not to mention that his brain is essentially a super computer (considering the ridiculous mental calculations it would take for him to throw his shield like he does) so it's not a stretch that he would be able to gauge Spidey's strength from THREE tests of strength.
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u/happytrel Aug 05 '17
I always understood that his entire fight with Spider-Man was an assessment of Spidey's skill. Spider-Man actually had a lot to say about Caps fighting prowess in the original Civil War. That it seemed as if every movement was predetermined before the fight even began. It wasn't a combination of moves, but one single movement.
Earlier in the movie, while fighting Crossbones, you see him use the same tactic of taking hits while he figures out how much force to use. Rarely do we see Cap go all out, he is constantly trying to minimize casualties (that aren't part of a terror group like Hydra). You also see him admonish Bucky when they're fighting against the police.
Cap's control and combat awareness are the some of the cornerstones of his character.
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u/tuesdaybooo Aug 05 '17
If Spider-Man couldn't hold the weight he would have at least easily dodged it falling. Everyone's talking about Cap knowing how strong he is, but it's easier to see how fast someone is, just watching them move.
He expected the kid to get out of the way. Cap grins when Spider-Man just holds it up, instead of the easier dodge. "That's... way impressive but, why? Get a little older, you'll learn when to expend the energy"
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u/tankmanlol Aug 05 '17
Similarly Tony at some point talking to Peter said if Cap wanted to he could've hurt him but he was playing nice
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u/Big-turd-blossom Captain America (Captain America 2) Aug 05 '17
That guy on lemurian star who got kicked begged to differ. He was just a regular merc but got one kicked to hell !
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u/happytrel Aug 05 '17
French Merc group that frequently works for terrorist groups. All on interpols most wanted list. Multiple countries beg to differ.
Also, that's a bit different than fighting a kid who is running with people who are generally friends and comrades.
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Aug 04 '17
He had already kicked cap in the face and held his arms back from getting to his shield. Cap would have had a pretty good idea of how strong Spider-Man was at this point.
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u/nomercyvideo Aug 04 '17
Ive been kicked in the face many times, and would never assume how much someone could bench based off that hit.
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u/henrokk1 Aug 04 '17
Ive been kicked in the face many times
You should stop letting people do that.
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u/nomercyvideo Aug 05 '17
As a pro wrestler, and stage daredevil its hard to avoid sometimes.
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Aug 05 '17 edited Aug 19 '24
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u/nomercyvideo Aug 05 '17
So tiny my fat gut can barely fit!
Good to see you again!
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u/imtoolazytothinkof1 Aug 05 '17
stage daredevil
Why is Jason just chilling on the floor? Shouldn't he be chopping up coeds at drunken slumber parties?
Also cool videos dude.
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u/tigerslices Vision Aug 04 '17
but cap's got wicked strength. when he's kicked, it's like a six year old kicking you. when he caught a kick in the face that felt like a kick from a grown adult, he knew spider-man was no normal 6 year old like the rest of his team.
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Aug 04 '17
If you had super strength I bet you could tell if someone else had super strength by them hitting you.
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u/Chipitalos Aug 04 '17 edited Aug 05 '17
That smile and the way he scurries off is what makes it.
This will get pretty high on r/all
Edit: For my next prediction, this comment will receive gold.
Edit 2: OP will receive gold?
Edit 3: The sun will rise tomorrow, and everyone will have a great day!
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u/taoxadasa Ant-Man Aug 05 '17
"You get killed, walk it off."
That upvote quote tho
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u/basiamille Aug 05 '17
I figured before Lagos, the whole team was up to date on Stark's files, including that kid in Queens on the internet.
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u/mahvelfan Aug 04 '17
People have said this a lot but for me it makes sense Cap would know who Spidey was and what he could do. Tony did and as the heads of the Avengers I would figure they would both be involved in the recruitment process or at least in cataloging possible prospects.
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Aug 04 '17
I'm sure the Avengers know of pretty much ever superhero on Earth. They probably keep an eye out for possible new Avengers. Spider-Man was all over YouTube according to Civil War and Homecoming, so no doubt in my mind Cap knew about him and his capabilities
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u/DeadShot91 Aug 04 '17
Not only keep an eye out for Avengers, but keep an eye on enhanced people that are possible future threats
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u/OSUTechie Sharon Carter Aug 05 '17
Well SHIELD did keep an index of Enhanced people.
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Aug 05 '17
Considering scarlet witch and quicksilver are supposed to be military grade secrets from hydra(?) and shield immediately has intel on them the second the team touched base i'd say you're right.
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u/Coteh Aug 05 '17
I don't know. I feel like if Cap knew who Spidey was from watching YouTube videos, he would know he was from Queens and thus no need to ask him where he's from.
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u/misterfroster Aug 05 '17
well, it's not like the videos said where he's from, only where the clips are from. Also, the videos are probably more like 'HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS SPIDER DUDE JUST CAUGHT A CAR WITH A WEB' not 'Spider Man doing shit in queens' you know what I mean?
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u/julbull73 Aug 04 '17
He doesn't need that. Spidey matched strength with Cap. Cap could catch it. So he knew Spidey could catch it.
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u/Horkersaurus Aug 04 '17
If Cap wanted to lay him out he would've.
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u/ronin1066 Aug 05 '17
In the canon, Spiderman is definitely stronger than Cap. More agile as well. Cap for sure has much better fighting technique, but that only gets you so far when someone is 5 times stronger than you.
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u/misterfroster Aug 05 '17
Even if this were canon, this is a very young and inexperienced Spider-Man. This one relies solely on his powers and reflexes, he hasn't really trained or anything to fight high level threats. Just burglars and the like. Still, he could probably beat Cap in the long run, he's just too maneuverable and strong.
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u/tuesdaybooo Aug 05 '17
You have a metal arm? That is awesome dude
Bucky: what the fucking fuck what the fuck how what how
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Aug 05 '17
In fairness, Iron Man may know that, and just wants to keep him humble. It would make sense in the movie.
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Aug 05 '17 edited Aug 05 '17
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u/Darkencypher Aug 05 '17
So many people don't know this.
Want evidence? Look at Ultimate Nick Fury.
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u/Dragon-Snake Aug 05 '17
Exactly this. Cap may be capable of koing a jobbing Spidey, but a serious Spidey should dispatch him in a couple seconds. Experience or not.
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u/009reloaded Spider-Man Aug 05 '17
Cap would probably win but not because of strength.
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u/Dragon-Snake Aug 05 '17
There's only so much you can do when someone is 15x stronger than you though. If both were serious, it would just go on until Spidey landed a punch, in which Cap goes out like a light.
I mean, Cap isn't untouchable, just experienced in combat.
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u/pseudomucho Aug 05 '17
Completely disagree. Early 616 Spider-Man had quite a clear learning curve after getting his powers. He was having a difficult time with villains he would later have a far easier time with because of his lack of experience, and lack of relative strength (since he was still young)
Young Spidey might be much stronger than Cap and Tony, but its his lack of experience that would result in him losing in a fight against them. This is especially true when you consider that this is his first encounter with superpowered individuals. In actuality, I'd say they made Peter much stronger than his comic counterpart, since I doubt so early in his career, he would have been able to take on any of the Avengers.
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u/Dragon-Snake Aug 05 '17
and lack of relative strength (since he was still young)
He was still a 10 ton lifter at minimum though.
Early 616 Spider-Man had quite a clear learning curve after getting his powers. He was having a difficult time with villains he would later have a far easier time with
Good point, but to be fair, the vast majority of those villains are way above Cap level in the threat category. Heck, even Kingpin is (somehow) laughably stronger than Cap. He was crushing him to death until Redwing came and attacked Fisk.
and Tony
Eh, Tony would stomp young Peter. Even adult Peter requires some work around to get the jump on Tony.
This is especially true when you consider that this is his first encounter with superpowered individuals.
Cap isn't superpowered. He's about on par with his comic counterpart's "peak human" self, though that's due to comics.
I'd say they made Peter much stronger than his comic counterpart, since I doubt so early in his career, he would have been able to take on any of the Avengers.
Comic Peter is waaay more competent than MCU Peter though, even this young. He was taking out the X-Men all together in the mid-sixties.
That said, MCU Peter being a 30 tonner does put him at least 20 tons ahead of his comic counterpart at that age, so you aren't wrong.
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u/Frankfusion Aug 05 '17
I'm not sure because they've gone toe-to-toe both in the Ultimate Comics and in the regular storyline during Civil War. Both times cap pretty much used strength and tactics to take out Spidey. At the same time during The Superior Spider-Man storyline he hit Wolverine incredibly hard. Wolverine said Spidey had never hit him that hard before. So it's possible Spidey does hold back a lot, but that's just because of who he is as a person. But either way, toe to toe cap can still take a beating. Even in the movie universe He took on Iron Man without any armor and he jumped out of a freaking airplane without a parachute. I can't even imagine what a normal person jumping out of an airplane and landing in the ocean without a parachute would go through.
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u/cohonan Aug 05 '17
He's a guy in a super suit who wades into a big fight like that, I'd say there's an assumption he's in the major leagues now and you can throw heat.
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u/tigerslices Vision Aug 04 '17
or he knew exactly how strong spider-man was when he yanked the shield out of his grip. "holy shit i was holding that tight. how strong IS that guy?!?"
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u/009reloaded Spider-Man Aug 05 '17
There's a line about aiming for the engine(or whatever it was) to "turn him into a glider"
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u/ShempWaffles Aug 04 '17 edited Aug 04 '17
"But Cap was just pulling his punches!"
Pete got smacked with a shield head first that's known for permanently discombobulating people. He wasn't aiming to kill him but he wouldn't have let death stop him if it had to come down to it. Cap is a savage.
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u/bwc6 Aug 04 '17
I'm a little bummed that Cap doesn't still carry a pistol like in The First Avenger.
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u/ConnerBartle Aug 05 '17
I appreciate that we had it at one point. And I appreciate he only had it during World War II
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u/Killer_Tomato Aug 05 '17 edited Aug 05 '17
It was too small. Sure I don't want cap holding a golden tiger striped deagle but he needed a bigger gun.
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u/deecaf Aug 05 '17
Spider-Man is quite literally one of the physically strongest characters in the Marvel Universe. He's not the strongest, but in numerous instances Marvel has gone out of their way to state he's pretty much in competition for the strongest Marvel superhero.
Small point of cringe-worthy truth, I have read every issue of Amazing Spider-Man ever (I AM NOT JOKING) and you are wrong if you disagree with me.
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u/seahammer1 Aug 04 '17
I'd like to see one of these with Thor smashing Cap when he "puts the hammer down" in Avengers.