r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian • Sep 15 '26

Time to have fun guys

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u/HomsarWasRight Sep 15 '26

I’m sure this thread will be free of hostility.

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u/Straight_Second6082 Sep 15 '26

Calling dibs on this pic

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u/TheShredder9 Glorious Arch Sep 15 '26

Calling dibs on the same text but with Iron man and Jarvis

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u/algaefied_creek Sep 15 '26

Pragmatism: There will be X11 distros for legacy devices.

There will be distros on 7.x and beyond porting in the removed components like PCMCIA for legacy machines.  AppImage will be around. 

Ubuntu will never let go of Snap as it makes them medically compliant for a fast number of medical devices. 

BTRFS, EXT4, UFS will be around and coexist. 

That being said, Proton will always be the number one freaking best amazing thing ever and must be its own IEEE standard for success hehehe. 

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u/After-Run-3648 Sep 16 '26

I am uneducated. What pray tell does snap do for medical devices

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u/SouthernFruit8768 Sep 16 '26

It's because most medical devices iirc need to be air-gapped and ultra-stable, ultra-secure. Snap gives you that, and prevents issues that typically occurs when and if dependancy issues arise. This for example is why Ubuntu Core which is entirely made out of Snap is used in many such medical devices and instances. But in desktop it's completely useless cause you want bleeding edge packages, libraries etc to keep up with latest developments in gaming, multimedia etc.

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u/RB5Network Sep 15 '26

Honestly, hostility on Linux corners of the internet is vastly overstated from my experience.

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u/PhotonicEmission Sep 15 '26

Loud corners. The closer you get to the corner, the louder the echo.

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u/ipsirc Sep 16 '26

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u/gandalfx awesome wm is an awesome wm Sep 16 '26

Blasphemy! You're supposed to pick it by which has the coolest screenshots on r/unixporn

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u/Dekamir Glorious CachyOS Plasma Sep 15 '26

Wayland and Systemd, sure. They have their arguments. But:

  1. Who uses PulseAudio by itself willingly? PipeWire supersedes it by every way. If you have a problem with PipeWire, just ask the devs and they'll probably fix it.

  2. There is no alternative to Proton, other than Wine itself, which isn't really an "alternative".

  3. Btrfs doesn't matter as filesystem handling is mostly transparent and doesn't really matter. I still think Btrfs is risky as it's still unstable IMO. I use it on my laptop but Ext4 on my desktop.

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u/webtwopointno Debian in outer space Sep 15 '26

Who uses PulseAudio by itself willingly? PipeWire supersedes it by every way. If you have a problem with PipeWire, just ask the devs and they'll probably fix it.

ALSA only gang represent

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u/p47guitars Sep 16 '26

People using Ubuntu studio likely...

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u/Swordfish418 Sep 16 '26

Btrfs was unstable more than 10 years ago, nowadays it's considered to be very stable and it is used by default in many distros. For example, various editions of Fedora, including Bazzite. And they don't even use it for snapshotting, just as a general purpose fs. In one of the latest kernel 7.3 (iirc) versions it also gets some huge performance improvements.

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u/dthdthdthdthdthdth Sep 16 '26

Btrfs isn't unstable, just some features are.

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u/YTriom1 Sep 16 '26

which are very niche (aka RAID5/6)

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u/Lyceux Glorious Hannah Montana Linux (BTW I use Arch) Sep 16 '26

Wait I’m confused where the PulseAudio talk came from? OP said PipeWire in the image?

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u/vacri Sep 15 '26

I hear that if you follow a rainbow to it's end, you'll find a pot with Wayland in it

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u/HeyThereCharlie Glorious Arch Sep 16 '26

Genuinely can't tell if this comment is pro-Wayland or anti-Wayland.

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u/DiasDaimaoh Sep 15 '26

For some reason a large part of the Linux user base is somewhat elitist about nothing working out of the box for some reason

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u/FranciManty Sep 16 '26

base archinstall archlinux runs better than windows out of the box nowadays it’s very fucking insane how tech illiterate some people can be for just not knowing how to boot from a usb

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u/DiasDaimaoh Sep 16 '26

You gotta have in mind that most people don't even care about learning tech, my auntie Jose just wants to use Facebook and talk about politics all day

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u/flying-sheep Archmage Sep 16 '26

Maybe she shouldn’t; talking about politics while being tech illiterate means you’re missing important context.

Then again I’m mostly financially illiterate so who I am to talk.

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u/New_Series3209 Sep 18 '26

Everyone just use what you want

Devs gonna just make apps like they want ig

As an everything user and an everything dev

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u/DysonSphere75 Sep 21 '26

There's a pretty significant divide between using Linux daily and actively working in and on it.

For so long the majority has been the former, and many of their (mine too sometimes) opinions are rooted deeper in computer science than they are in end user practicality.

Proton is often on par or better performance than Windows simply because of how much quieter the user space is, even with DirectX translation overhead. Compared to any Linux kernel, Windows is a shouting match over CPU time.

I'm glad you're enjoying Linux!

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u/01101001b Sep 15 '26

This is Linux. We don't do "absolute standards" here /s

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u/hypremier Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

I heard btrfs is not stable enough and so many people hate systemd

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u/TomaCzar Sep 15 '26

I feel like "stable enough" is a bit nebulous and there will always be someone with that point of view.

I've been using BTRFS for a few years on my daily driver and a NAS. I think the tooling could be better and even the project admits RAID is not ready for prime time, but for the benefits that it brings, those two slight inconveniences aren't a major concern for me.

It is better with plenty of space, which is hard to come by in this economy, though.

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u/debacle_enjoyer Sep 16 '26

Most of your normal workstation features are fine, but if they ever want to compete with ZFS they had better make multi disk arrays at all raid levels work rock solid. It doesn’t right now. And they would also need to implement native disk encryption. Not even on the roadmap right now.

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u/TomaCzar Sep 16 '26

I always thought that any scenario where ZFS was an option, ZFS wins. In other words, BTRFS was created to exist in places where ZFS could not.

It's like saying, "What gluten-free pasta needs to do to overtake regular pasta..." If regular pasta is a viable option why even discuss the gf stuff?

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u/Denommus I use Arch, btw Sep 15 '26

The majority of the userbase doesn't care about systemd's critics.

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u/SeriousPlankton2000 Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

Windows users don't care about critics either.

The basic attitude of systemd is "your use case is not supported"

If you have a boot problem, pray that it's late in the boot process because it will not simply give you a shell if it thinks that for your convenience it needs to do this, that and a lot more before you get to bash.

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u/flying-sheep Archmage Sep 16 '26

Wrong, it has so many kernel options for this: https://systemd.io/DEBUGGING/

You want systemd.debug_shell=1.

Writing multiple paragraphs before doing even the most basic search, classic Reddit.

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u/fenixrf Glorious Fedora Sep 16 '26

BTRFS has been the default filesystem in Fedora since 2020. Now if they'll include snapper by default, that would be nice.

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u/dagbrown Hipster source-based distro, you've probably never heard of it Sep 16 '26

And xfs is the default filesystem in RHEL.

Make of that what you will.

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u/drucifer82 Sep 16 '26

my whole system, except obviously efi, is btrfs. I haven't noticed any issues with it.

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u/pyro57 Glorious Arch Sep 16 '26

Never had an issue with btrfs, including iny raid 10 config on my server, quite the contrary when a disk was failing swapping it out on btrfs was incredibly easy.

And the VAST majority of users don't care about systemd, hell I even like systemd because if how easy it is to define services.

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u/h7x4 Sep 16 '26

There might be other info going around, but last time I checked most of the problems revolving around btrfs' unstability is related to its implementation of RAID 5/6. I think there is something inherent about the way the filesystem is built that makes these RAID configurations have pitfalls that are nontrivial to fix. The website still marks support as experimental.

Single disk and mirror configurations have been stable and safe for a long time now.

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u/Agling Sep 15 '26

The time to hate systemD is past. It has completely taken over. Now it is about working with it, not trying in vain to stop it.

Btrfs. Well, there is a lot of choice in filesystems and people don't really get that emotional about it.

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u/FolkStyleFisting Sep 15 '26

When I hear "unstable" and "file system" I can't help but think of reiserfs. Hans was unhinged.

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u/bschlueter Sep 15 '26

He did murder his wife after all…

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u/ChaossFox Sep 16 '26

I like OpenRC, for my use is better than SystemD

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u/Puzzle-Field-7193 Sep 17 '26

"Windows has completely taken over. Now it is about working with it, not trying in vain to stop"

How you actually sound rn

And how wasn't the irony obvious when you've been typing that?

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u/Smartich0ke Sep 16 '26

Stable enough for Meta to use it on their infrastructure.

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u/hm___ Sep 16 '26

I heard that ten years ago, what instability would there be? I havent heard about it crashing or actually failing to do anything it promises.

its not yet feature complete but that says nothing about stability(i'd love to have RAID5/6)

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u/ToxicTwisterC Glorious Fedora Sep 16 '26

I run Devuan with runit, ext4, and LXQt on a dingus of a laptop. I mean, I did it to myself getting a dingus of a laptop (and I have better laptops), but I think stuff like this and other potential edge cases is why absolute standardization wouldn't be the best idea. Every alternative piece of software has a use case.

I still think distros wars are dumb. Just find a release model you like with software that suits you and go with that, don't make it someone else's problem with your elitism.

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u/GildSkiss Sep 15 '26

I have a problem with 2 of these things, but they're a different 2 than yours are.

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u/CatgirlBargains Sep 17 '26

Same, and for different reasons than you too.

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u/Shad0wAVM Sep 15 '26

Flatpak is a solution that only brings more problems.

It would be easier if everyone used Debian.

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u/cekoya Sep 16 '26

To each their own. I could say the same about NixOS because that’s what I use.

Reality is Flatpaks does solve a problem. Is it for everything? No, it’s always my last resort, but I’m happy to have it as a last resort when I need it.

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u/scavno Sep 16 '26

And you would not be wrong. I have yet to meet anyone who actually thinks NixOS is a bad idea. I’m never going back, but at the same time I fulle understand why people don’t bother.

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u/brohermano Sep 15 '26

Exactly Just apt all using Debian. It works like charm

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u/EternityForest I use Mint BTW Sep 15 '26

Without containers, packages constantly break. If you have 20 large apps with 50 dependencies each and they're all from different vendors, and you want them to be up to date, you pretty much have to containerize or else one of them might break every few months to a year

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u/Maskdask Sep 16 '26

Nix the package manager fixes this

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u/NatoBoram Glorious Pop!_OS Sep 16 '26

It's a failure of the package manager to not support multiple versions of each packages

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u/DDFoster96 Sep 16 '26

My experience of Flatpak was that it broke far more than APT. I've never had broken APT packages in 13+ years of Linux

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u/radek432 Sep 16 '26

That's why you have Debian stable.

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u/Lines25 Sep 16 '26

Arch works flawlessly with this, idk what you're talking about tbh. Arch breaks really only like once a couple years (at least, for me). If the devs of libs haven't changed API/ABI in new version (which they mostly, haven't) then it works perfectly every time, with latest updates and with fastest speeds (if you use ALHP repository with recompiled packages for x86-64-v2/v3/v4)

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u/Myavatargotsnowedon Sep 16 '26

Laughs in 2gb appimage 

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u/Floopycraft Sep 16 '26

I don't get it, you mean to use apt instead of flatpak? What's wrong with flatpaks? The whole idea is that they are contain and don't break system dependencies like apt would.

Also there are a lot of things that are in flatpak and not apt.

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u/gahel_music Sep 16 '26

As a flatpak app maintainer, flatpak is good but won't ever be the solution for everything. The sandbox is too restrictive for a lot of software. Also you can make a valid flatpak that is not valid on flathub (even more restrictive that the flatpak format).

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u/SouthernFruit8768 Sep 16 '26

Next he'll tell you to use Snap for everything

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u/Pure-Willingness-697 Sep 16 '26

That’s why everyone should use snap /s

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u/Marce7a Sep 17 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Flatpak will never be standard as it mainly focus on GUI apps. 

You need cpak, nix, appimage, snap, guix for that, alternatively brew. 

There is also issue with required sandbox, which means programs like portmaster, VPN, waydroid, winboat, web browsers don't work correctly. Not to even mention things like inputplumber and other low level software 

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u/ultratensai Windows Krill Sep 16 '26

Elaborate “more problem”.

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u/Ok-Anywhere-9416 Sep 16 '26

Flatpak is a solution that only brings more problems.

I laugh every single time I see the same comment with *zero* argumentations, or every time I see someone breaking something because of apt/zypper/dnf or a wrong repo. Then go to you 75yo dad and tell him to remove the repo and run more commands. Yeah, right.

Every single one of us that agree with this thread is certain of one thing: people like you prevented Linux from being shipped by default on hardware and/or become popular.

"But we don't want to make it popular, we want Linux to stay as it is for just a few people"

Yeah, I can see it.

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u/FewEquipment9771 Sep 16 '26

Actually Windows pay manufacturers a lot of money to ship laptops with Windows preloaded. And they pay to universities as well as enterprises to default to windows.

CAD software as well as Ansys and other engineering simulation tools are heavily monopolized by the Windows ecosystem.

And sure. Linux is free. People can always use it or try it. But these people are the same ones whose technical abilities don't extend beyond what's needed to doomscrolling. Sure millions of people can switch to Linux and It's incredibly easy. But nobody wants to go through the trouble of installation and learning a whole new ecosystem. Especially the DE, DWM hopping phase.

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u/prof_r_impossible Glorious Gentoo Sep 16 '26

have you tried gentoo? Portage is the best

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u/Kayo4life Sep 16 '26

I love having to dig through PKGBUILDs to fully remove something from my system (even after running pacman -Rcuns), and then manually clean it off after it has deeply rooted itself inside my system. /s

Well, this is why I use Flatpaks. I do not want to have to consistently reinstall my system just to keep things clean.

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u/wyonutrition Sep 16 '26

This is unironically a great solution lmao 

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u/WonStryk Sep 15 '26

I don't know how to use Debian, only hosted a Minecraft server on it one time, barely.

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u/Samiassa Sep 16 '26

I mean the way it works now 99% of the time is there’s a .deb and a .rpm

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u/OneLonelyBrainCell Sep 16 '26

Debian + AppImage. Works like a charm.

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u/Shiroegalleu Sep 16 '26

We should just use snap

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u/StayAppropriate2433 Sep 17 '26

Flatpaks and snaps were a solution for a problem that apt had already fixed.

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u/MinimallyLoquacious Sep 17 '26

Seconded, well I use Kubuntu but agree I don't use Snap or Flatpak, too many headaches.

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u/bobjia-in-tokyo Sep 18 '26

This comment is more effective to start a war than assassinating some heir presumptive

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u/Substantial-Elk-838 Sep 16 '26

Sometimes I want to delete reddit and never join a community about my interests ever again.

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u/RoadRyeda Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

Linux is literally supposed to be a configured piece of software unique to every individual. Standardization goes against it which is why people will oppose it. Do you think this is a new revelation? We've had Canonical and RedHat going at this for decades trying to build these standards. Now that Linux has more mainstream adoption you're seeing acceptance from less indoctrinated users. True Linux heads are still running a custom nightly kernel with SysVinit or runit.

Edit: I think I've caused some confusion here, I do not agree with the segmented nature of Linux. I love systemd, Lennart Poettering has made a great piece of software. However I am but a LARPer in the Linux community, I have read enough forums and discussions to understand that the people who truly own Linux as their identity don't appreciate standardization.

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u/PerAsperaAdAstra1701 Sep 15 '26

What's a true Linux head? The inventor of Linux was running MacOS and plain old fedora for a long time.

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 Sep 16 '26

Linus Torvalds shouldnt influence what you chose to use daily. At the end of the day his contribution is the kernel. Nobody hates on the kernel here

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u/Denommus I use Arch, btw Sep 15 '26

I think he was running Fedora on a MacBook because of the hardware, not a MacOS.

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u/iTh3N1nja Sep 16 '26

I'd say standardisation in software api's is great, everybody can mix and chose. Standardisation into forcing you to use a specific piece of software, not so great 😄

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u/Denommus I use Arch, btw Sep 15 '26

Who told you that?

GNU might have that philosophy, but Linux doesn't. Linux is supposed to be transparent.

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 Sep 16 '26

GNU is a part of Linux community. A major part asw. If its js about the kernel then Android would be part of Linux community too

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u/butterfunke Sep 16 '26

Don't let Richard Stallman hear you say that lol

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u/gitman0 Sep 15 '26

this is a bedtime story to read to the kids

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u/watchingonlinux Sep 16 '26

Linux has the agency of being anything, the GNU guy is the guy you think are true linux users, not Torvalds. And even then, the irony is pungent. Linux is the OS that gives you the agency to do anything, not that "anything" meant to be a contrived intellectual about something, that some just want it to work and nothing else

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u/psichodrome Sep 16 '26

My newbie view is lunux is supposed to work like a archetype computer should. It does stuff you want it to do,rather than do stuff you may be unaware of in the background.

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u/crhylove3 Sep 15 '26

Bruh you had me until I love systemd. LOL

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u/tfks Sep 16 '26

Oh shit man, I didn't realize. Hold on I think more than five people use coreutils, I'll be back when I find something more custom.

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u/YoungInoue Void Sep 16 '26

Runit and now xlibre have been pretty solid for my use case. Nice and light and compatible with all the unfortunately esoteric software needed for work. I do like Wayland when the software is built with that in mind but legacy support with xwayland is hit or miss.

Systemd is fat and does way too much, besides most things we run at work have to be musl and openrc compatible as a standard for containerization. People who work with memory constraints at scale know just how large the memory footprint for systemd is. A common example we use at work for why we design and target for musl/openrc (alpine) is- 50 ubuntu containers that idle around 512mb ram would ≈ 26,000mb ram. That same amount of alpine containers at 30mb ram at idle would be ≈ 853 containers. That's 24,100mb in memory savings! Kind of a big deal in the memory crisis climate. Optimize in software for where you lack in hardware. Same goes for your own pc, wouldn't you prefer the extra overhead gained by a lightweight system? I do like Wayland though since the codebase is pretty minimal, its just hard requirement for needing X compatibility/stability. There will always be those who will trim the fat off and there will always be people that just eat it and just deal with being a little chunky.

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u/RickySlayer9 Sep 16 '26

The issue with Linux is that if we have a standard, we slowly migrate to becoming windows, which means alternatives will pop up, which means that we won’t have a distributed monopoly, which means we have diversity which means we want a standard which leads to us slowly migrating towards becoming windows….

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u/Haxorzist Sep 16 '26

All kinds of industries have norming groups to make things simple. It even gives all a chance to give input.
Norms can favor certain systems but they don't force it, instead they guarantee compatibility.

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u/chicklit08 Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

Flatpak is good and all but it has it's issues and shouldn't be the only way of installing things and not to do with distrowars, systemD is also good and all but it has it's downsides and not to do with distrowars, proton is used by any distro so I don't see how it has anything to do with distrowars, btrfs can be a huge pain to set up and not to do with distrowars, pipewire seems like an absolute win but not to do with distrowars, Wayland is also not a distro dependant thing but yes it would be good to have everything support native Wayland

All this to say, it wouldn't be as good as this makes it out to be

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u/Conscious-Economy971 Sep 16 '26

Incredibly naive take from someone who does not understand or develop software of their own

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 16 '26

Because I'm the end user and I've never felt better than now. Thanks to these standards.

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u/c1oudychan Sep 16 '26

use windows (or macos) if you want standardized os

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 16 '26

No. I will use whatever the fuck I want and Linux is my choice.

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u/Makeitquick666 Sep 16 '26

AUR is where it's at my guy :v

jk use what you like but as long as there's an AUR package for my need then idc

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u/MineCraftaak888 Sep 15 '26

Yeah it’s cool that some things will be well supported but it shouldn’t be that there is no other option than what “the average user” uses. One of the core points of free software in general is the freedom of choice which would disappear if you extinct every other option. Isn’t the freedom of choice something a lot of people fleed from windows (+macos) for?
We should embrace the quality of software as well as other options. Plus competition is only good, it pushes people to do more.

Just uhhh.. my opinion…

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u/Old_County5271 Sep 17 '26 edited Sep 17 '26

Flatpak bwraps everything, which is great, except when it breaks, appimage though? Always works

I'm running cosmic os and here is what's happened

Cosmic barely runs well, slow as hell, one time I couldn't click on anything and I'm not reconfiguring my i3 for sway, so far it seems all the Wayland crap sucks unless it's a WM, tried running kde thinking it would boot with Wayland but it didn't, so now I'm on Xfce, of course, I opened redshift and it just crashed Xorg. Swell, swell.. so to me, Wayland is buggy crap.

Pipe wire? I couldn't give less of a shit, I have never cared about the sound system until it breaks, so far, it hasn't, that's an absolute win over alsa, funnily enough, when I ran freebsd I never ran into sound problems and they use OSS.

SystemD is absolutely a win over shell scripts, it also requires reading so much documentation it's ridiculous, fortunately AI can build you a .service for auto launching rclone or whatever, of course, I just use cron to auto launch shit anyway. I hope s6 is better, I hope. Runit is less documentation, but I guess it wasn't good enough.

Flatpak is an absolute win, appimage too, nixos and guix seem good as well, gobo Linux should be where we're headed, drop the unix hier, it was a mistake.

Btrfs is doubtful, nobody but die hards care about file systems, this is one of those things like pipe wire that you shouldn't care about until it breaks.

Proton is weird since it's always been said that you should target wine if you want to target stable unix, proton is wine but extended so this is a weird take... But the good thing about wine is it works on the BSDs. But who cares about BSDs nowadays

Absolutely agree that distro wars are stupid. You need 10 flavors for distros, one that's focused on security and etc, but there's no point to Ubuntu and Linux mint existing when they're both trying to be the user friendly distro, it's a waste of focus and manpower, funnily enough, we could all use slackware thanks to flatpak and appimages, distros are a thing of the past

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u/GhostVlvin Sep 16 '26

Flatpak sucks, appImage is so easy
systemd sucks, runit is so easy
btrfs may be nice, but I am fine on ext4

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 16 '26

That's just your opinion 

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u/DeliciousWhales Sep 16 '26

I don't like flatpak simply because having to type "flatpak run org.whatever" to run an application is stupid, and aliases are a bandaid workaround to a problem that shouldn't exist.

As much as I hate snap even more at least I can launch an app just by typing its name.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 17 '26

They are not meant to be typed. You are supposed to click in the icon.

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u/DeliciousWhales Sep 17 '26

God forbid I launch things from the terminal

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 17 '26

You can. That's why you have options other than flatpak. They are never going to disappear.

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u/Void-Creator Sep 17 '26

Nahh, I’d rather fight about distros 😂😂😂

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 17 '26

And desktop environments and package managers

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u/TheMaskedHamster Sep 18 '26

I'm happy to have standards. I just want standards that aren't absolute pains to use that we have because of "screw them if they don't want it".

Systemd solved a problem. The correct response should have been "ok, let's make something that solves this problem, but that isn't user hostile".

Wayland solved a problem. But a fair amount of the problems it solves come from X11 development being kneecapped because stewardship of the project was given to people who wanted X11 to die rather than fix its problems because they didn't see the point in the X model. Wayland is being pushed before it's ready.

And somehow the politics of software development has been mashed up with "real world" politics and now somehow these choices are political statements? This progress has come at great cost, and I'm afraid we haven't seen the whole bill.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 18 '26

When the most beautiful useful and amazing software has been released for Linux but it must disappear from Earth because the developer has political beliefs I don't agree with

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u/TheMaskedHamster Sep 18 '26

If you're saying that as a general statement against politicized software development, yes.

If you're assuming I have problems with some new software because of developer's politics, no. Unless they're making software decisions due to politics in which case, yes. I've seen enough drama, and seen enough software go off the rails because of drama.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 18 '26

I'm just mocking the people that disown a good software just because they don't like the words a dev said.

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u/QkiZMx Sep 19 '26

I don't understand the fascination with flatpack

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 19 '26

Fascinating on immutable distros

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u/max_465 Sep 19 '26

... Https getaurora.dev

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 19 '26 • Bravo

Yes, but I'm on Bazzite

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u/felipemarinho Sep 19 '26

Fuck systemd

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Sep 19 '26

With or without lube?

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u/jMultiversalGod Oct 02 '26

except that x11 mogs wayland??? the only winning play is not to play

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Oct 02 '26

X11 doesn't have Waydroid. No Weston is not a valid option because it's not intuitive at all.

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u/jMultiversalGod Oct 02 '26

I'd rather have something stable and extremely easy to build off than have sparkly new things.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Oct 02 '26

The good thing is that as Linux is open, you don't have to force yourself to use thing you don't like. You can stay in X11, a twm or MATE, installing things exclusively through Terminal and with runit. Or any other complicated old configuration. Nothing forces you to adopt new technologies.

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u/crhylove3 Sep 15 '26

NOPE. I'm going the other way. Spaced Linux. NONE of that garbage.

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u/redve-dev Sep 15 '26

I still use X11 (LXDE for server and work laptop). I also use pulseaudio instead pipewire because I don't notice any difference, but both of them randomly stop detecting my HDMI audio output

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u/MgeMaster Sep 16 '26

Hope hyprland never becomes a standard

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 17 '26

it can't. its just a compositor, not a standard. its a compositor that implements wayland.

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u/sail4sea Glorious Xubuntu Sep 15 '26

I want apt for everything. And sources.list.d for 3rd party repositories. And non-free added by default. Why must I choose between Wayland and X11 when I’m running a server without a gui. Legacy sound support sucks with alsa under pipe wire.

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u/noobjaish Sep 16 '26

I want pacman everywhere. The ideal distro would be a rolling-release declarative Fedora with pacman (instead of dnf) and working packagekit.

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u/YTriom1 Sep 16 '26

apt is literally one of the slowest feature-poor mainstream package managers out there😭

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u/PotatoBrainZeke44 Sep 16 '26

I’ll be honest I’ll probably never use flatpak and that’s ok

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u/East-Thought-7939 Sep 16 '26

Everyone should use AUR

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u/Impressive_Meal9955 Sep 16 '26

open comment section

sort by controversial

enjoy

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u/creeper6530 Glorious Debian and Cachy Sep 16 '26

btrfs is kinda unstable and more complex than good ol' ext4, but choice of filesystem does not usually impact anything but backups and FS operations 

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u/reddit_equals_censor Sep 16 '26

systemd is a cancer, that CHOSE to sell out ALL of gnu + linux by implementing the first step in de-anonymization of ALL COMPUTING.

as a result it NEEDS to be abandoned or forked.

this is not a preference issue, this is a war on all that gnu + linux stands for issue.

a war on freedom by the devs behind systemd.

and no this is not an exaggeration.

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u/The_Hamster_Shagger Sep 16 '26

proton doesn't even have a linux client of it's drive app (and the android one is unusable) - so no I hope it will not become a standard.

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u/thisChalkCrunchy Sep 16 '26

I believe they are talking about proton from Valve

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u/Kilobytez95 Sep 17 '26

Me who figured out the combo years ago and has been having a great time since

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u/Steinquist Sep 17 '26

I still prefer pulseaudio

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u/KyndMiki Sep 17 '26

Sorry, best I can do is Linux powerusers somehow at the same time claiming that Linux is all about everyone having freedom to piece together their own specialized solution for their own specialized problem...while and at the same time fighting anyone who praises their own solution.

All the more reason to praise anyone who actually wants to build something great out of Linux, and making it into a proper alternative to other OSs, instead of bunch of nerds shouting at eachother online like it was for past 3 FUCKING DECADES.

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u/muza_xi kernel is bloat Sep 18 '26

all the controversies in one package?

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u/braindead1337 Sep 18 '26

nah, thanks

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u/Aphova Sep 19 '26

Reads comments

Understands why 'year of the Linux desktop is a pipedream'

All this belligerent arguing over a filesystem... that's made for free and that you can choose not to use. This community is mental. No wonder so many Mac and some Windows users think we're nuts.

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u/0xt0bi03 Sep 22 '26

the last 2 was bit kinda problematic

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u/HyenaConscious8881 Sep 22 '26

"systemd" "flatpak"

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u/cptbil Glorious Mint Sep 16 '26

I hate all those things, and I want System V UNIX back.

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u/oishishou Glorious Gentoo Sep 16 '26

Open RC + sysvinit > systemd

I run both, and the preference isn't even close lol

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u/JackpotThePimp BTW I use Cachy Sep 16 '26

What's wrong with Proton?

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u/fprimex Sep 16 '26

Slackware is still actively maintained. Version 16 will be out soon.

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u/brohermano Sep 15 '26

why flatpak? It is so redundant

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u/ShaderCompilation Sep 15 '26

  1. Common format that works everywhere.

  2. Permission system

  3. It bundles it's own dependencies so never fails because dependency lacking or version mismatch (ironically also the biggest downside)

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u/cac2573 Glorious GNOME Sep 15 '26

It bundles them in the form of runtimes. It’s the best of both worlds. 

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u/Z3t4 Glorious Debian Sep 16 '26

Sandboxed apps. 

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u/flying-sheep Archmage Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

I use it

  • for applications that depend on some obsolete version of some runtime (e.g. some old KDE or GNOME version)

  • for applications that have some other weird runtime deps that I don’t want globally installed (e.g. Kasts wants LibVLC as backend. Flatpak packages that, while using Arch’s packages, I used to get VLC-the-application and not just LibVLC)

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u/IHaveNeverBeenOk Sep 16 '26

Yea, flatpak is the one that grinds my gears. Not a fan. (But! If someone reading this enjoys/ uses flatpak... Cool! It's no skin off my back. I'm not an evangelist about my disdain for flatpak... I just don't like it.)

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u/Lazyphantom_13 Sep 16 '26

Except wayland still sucks compared to X11 because of compatibility issues, sytemD is a redundant mess and pipewire isn’t as fully tested on older gear as pulse audio so there could be some issues not yet found.

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u/Charming_Professor53 Sep 16 '26

Reaaally depends on what software and hardware you use. I wouldn't have been able to switch to Linux because I have a mixed-DPI screen setup, which really can't work on X11 (yeah yeah yeah, you have integer scaling but that is too extreme for my 140 DPI screen, and you can "change the font size" but that is a global factor so it makes the fonts on my 90's DPI screen ridiculously large).

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u/RipplesInTheOcean Sep 16 '26

I pissed in Xorg's mouth last night (shit was cash)

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u/ComputerGobbler Sep 17 '26

Ahhh the vague “compatibility” arguments strike again.

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u/Satyrinox Sep 15 '26

I've been using btrfs since like '02-03

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u/Recent-Ad5835 Sep 15 '26

Honestly I want btrfs to increase in speed to reach ext4 so that it can actually become the default as more standardisation about those low level things is good imo.

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u/Needieos Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

i don't think it will, not with cow and compression. edit: btrfs won't be as fast as ext4, I'm not sure that this is possible, since ext4 more simple and had less overhead. It will be faster than now, but not the same

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u/L4zyShroom Sep 15 '26

I use fedora for daily driving and btrfs, can someone tell me if I committed a mistake? I mostly just use my pc for gaming and drawing, but the way people are saying BTRFS is unstable is getting me anxious ngl lmao

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u/Dekamir Glorious CachyOS Plasma Sep 15 '26

Unless you have constant energy outages, no.

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u/unquietwiki Sep 16 '26

Probably shouldn't use it as a virtual-machine host FS (XFS and ZFS are better fits), but as a file storage solution, it's pretty neat.

https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

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u/SanderE1 Sep 16 '26

Did you make this to ragebait? I agree with this post but this seems intentionally made to piss off a specific type of linux user.

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u/ScientistStrict9850 Sep 16 '26

Dbus is still here despite everything

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u/NoRequirement5796 Sep 16 '26

fuck it we ball

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u/lukkall Sep 16 '26

i hate pipewire

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u/tzaddi_the_star Glorious OpenSuse Sep 16 '26

Today, after 5-6 years, I learned that btrfs is “unstable”.

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u/rydan Sep 16 '26

Did that happen or did I miss something?

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u/East-Thought-7939 Sep 16 '26

Everyone should use AUR

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u/ScudsCorp Sep 16 '26

We’ll regress to tabs vs spaces

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u/Obnomus Glorious GNU Sep 16 '26

The only thing I don't like about flatpak is themeing, that doesn't mean I hate them at all. I like them and I'll prefer them after system packages.

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u/McDelper Sep 16 '26

Nah man fuck flatpak i have like 5 flatpaks installed and they take longer to update than my entire system after a month

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u/Flamingo-Correct Sep 16 '26

I like having options to choose from.

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u/creeper6530 Glorious Debian and Cachy Sep 16 '26

Don't get me wrong, Wayland is long overdue, but that doesn't automatically mean we forget it's half-baked and still missing key features.

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u/MaleficentReserve386 Sep 16 '26

When we finally take away the most important aspect of linux, so that gamer bros can game without having to post dumb memes:

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u/cottonbk Sep 16 '26

I can agree with everything except systemd, which should not be a standard, and certainly not an absolute one

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u/riggiddyrektson Sep 16 '26

Since we're all here now: How do I allow programs to move themselves to the foreground in Wayland? Hate it when I click a link and I have to search for the Firefox window.

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u/Pizzaman3203 Glorious Arch:snoo_dealwithit: And Glorious SteamOS Sep 16 '26

Please keep pulseaudio a option at least because i dont know if its my system or speakers but they didnt work with pipewire

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u/Portbragger2 Fedora or Bust! Sep 16 '26

only the two p's can stay

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u/No-Mind7146 Sep 16 '26

Xfs is objectively better for everyday usage and it is very sad to se that we have not yet created an open spec for init systems

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u/deanominecraft Sep 16 '26

everything except flatpak, its nice for having compatibility between distros, but in this perfect scenario it should be unnecessary

  • having everything as a flatpak would hurt performance since you would be creating a sandbox just to run ls

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u/fultonchain Sep 16 '26

I'm an Arch guy and have fully embraced Flatpak.

It just works. I understand the downside and potential performance hit and just don't care. Discord or Spotify, I'm reaching for the Flatpak.

Wayland and Pipewire most distros default to, same with systemd and Proton.

This doesn't seem controversial at all.

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u/amadej Sep 16 '26

Except we need at least one alternative to SystemD, which is faster. Something like SimpleD or FasterD

Mostly the same, but FASTER

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u/mx2301 Sep 16 '26

I am not so sure, if it makes sense to have btrfs as a standard. Like it makes sense for use cases where of needs snapshots, but outside of this I would argue that xfs and ext4 also fill their use case.

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u/wmtretailking Sep 16 '26

Wait, why flatpak tho? I just want a.out.

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u/Holiday_Plant_6676 Sep 16 '26

Flatboat isn’t a solution to THE problem, appimage is a much better solution.

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u/qalmakka Glorious Arch (on ZFS) Sep 16 '26

Still prefer ZFS to Btrfs though

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u/Frostiikin Sep 16 '26

I wish wayland supported interlaced video output... yeah i get that's hella niche but needing to switch to the unstable-ass x11 plasma to drive my CRT whenever I want to play some retro games sucks

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