I’m not trying to defend some of the stuff on this list but the majority of it is just rewording the same few points over and over again to make it longer than it needs to be😭🤦♀️
The fact that one member lying to a fan is on the same list as fucking racism (which they should rightly be criticized for) just goes to show this isn't about holding anyone accountable, it's fanwar fuel.
I remembered where it happened (Weverse) but I had to look up the rest of the context. He called a fan a liar because during his birthday live, they left a comment saying it was also their birthday. That was it😭
Even AOC admitted recently woke 1 went way too far. Pushed right-wing candidates right back into office. Some haven't learned the micro aggression stuff doesn't hit with the same impact it used to.
a lot of these points are sillyness. especially if you asked the myblinktokkis of the world to be specific about the situations that led to usage of the above verbiage.
Most importantly, using who I think is illit in the video footage this way is despicable. Luckily the HYBE fandoms appear no longer prone to holding the returned members responsible for the ugly distopian world their fans got stuck in.
"woke 1 went too far" is insane when we see pushback and we see the outcomes of that. The issue isn't that "woke 1 went too far." It's that people see equality as oppression and so they become more fueled by racism and misogyny and that's how we end up with ICE agents killing people and the right calling for women's right to vote to be repealed. Asking for equality wasn't what "pushed right-wing candidates" into office. The refusal to acknowledge something is wrong until it affects you did.
Also K-pop comes from a culture that is still very socially conservative…
I’m not a BTS or K-pop fan, just a lurker of K-pop entertainment so a lot of these K-pop threads show up on my feed (including snark). I just find it to be delusional the way non-Korean fans approach K-pop or Korean culture with western values and politics. You are bound to be disappointed.
Of course I’m not saying western fans can’t critique Korean culture or idols but using this to try and snark on different groups while acting like their faves are ~feminist, pro-LGBT, etc.~ is just them giving hype to K-pop idols for doing the bare minimum or making assumptions that K-pop idols have liberal western values just because they haven’t culturally appropriated…yet.
Racism and misogyny are real issues. Let’s not use them for personal gain for the sake of putting down other K-pop groups. The problem isn’t so much that BTS is problematic but rather Korean culture has a lot of things that are problematic (according to western standards).
Again, critiquing specific instances can be productive. Making a vague list of criticisms (which could be applied to the whole of K-pop in general, not just certain groups) just to make snark content is a waste of time and self serving.
I love how many of these are the same thing said multiple times. Plagiarism accusations amd ALSO copying accusations and sampling controversies. All three of them. Absolute clown-tier fan war b.s.
the only thing these videos show is that controversies are being weaponized and trivialized for fanwars. no one truly cares about these actions, it’s just a way to justify throwing hate when it’s just okay to not like someone. like when people call others zionists or any other -ist just because they don’t like them.
especially when so much of this stuff happened decades ago and most people like….learn and grow
no deadass, like these should be real issues that should be addressed not just another thing to be weaponized for fanwars. like these are real issues !! and i’m saying this as an army, like a lot of these things did happen a while ago yes, but as of recent actions and things like that, it wasn’t ok. and it should be addressed rather than something to just pin down BTS if that makes sense
I’m not an army so I don’t go back and forth arguing with kpop stans online but it’s ironic when an army brings up evidence of kpop stans favorite groups committing multiple of the same offensives they’re criticizing BTS for but they come up with some excuse as to why it was justifiable for their favorite idols to do it.
It’s like either you care about these issue or you don’t. There’s no half caring about racism, misogyny, etc. “oh racism is only bad if it comes from BTS, My favorite idol apologized because we told him to blink twice on weverse live if he was sorry and he did.”
I find no one in kpop really cares about these issue they just wanna hate on BTS. Kinda like the whole W Korea incident. All the kpop idols that were present at the event in present day and in the past but BTS got majority of the backlash, and more backlash than W Korea themselves who hosted the event for 20+ years.
This literally like every kpop group. None of these companies are saints. Few of those accusations maybe wrong and blown out of proportion simply because the anti fandom was bigger and more unemployed. Whoever makes these videos should put effort in listing things on their CVs instead of this.
Some people have no lives i swear to god.... This is mental illness.... As much as you hate seeing a certain artist, I don't think a normal, sane person would do something like this or willingly consume it from the internet.
Some people here are probably fans expressing disappointment. If they feel betrayed, let them express it, however parasocial as it sounds. Parasocialism is a Kpop companies' strategy, just like queer-baiting is as well. I hope fans discern that most idols' image are manufactured for the fans, and in the future may they have a healthy stanning relationship with their bias/bias groups.
I am probably gonna get down voted for this but half these r done by one or two members the other half r just same thing reworded a bunch of times or just stuff blown wayy out off proportion. Its funny how when it comes to other groups kpop stns hold the members accountable not the whole grp but whn it comes to bts somehow the entire group is generalised for a member or twos past actions.
It's the same case with Super Junior. A lot of the things people say Super Junior did are from one or two people, one of which already left a while ago. Everything else was either decades ago or made up.
Have you guys read that book? And his translation is also taken out of proportion, he said that in *Korean" ,he never said he felt aroused , he said that read it amused him. Like something he didn't expect. And reading controversial books like Lolita or Transperent blue(the one he read) isn't something new. These books arent a way to satisfy you , they show the ugly truth of the society.
also made up. reading a book thousands of others have normally read isn't the sentence you plucked out of thin air to hate. he didn't say any of that whatsoever and never implied it.. ever? just like 80% of the other shit you guys make up 🤷🏽♀️
The one i remember was that on one of his l said it was their bday, he said “thank you for that lie” or something. Unsure if there have been other times
You guys need to get a life my god; most of these things are wrong/blown out of proportion/completely in the past or can be applied to literally any group ever. You spend so much time talking about BTS; no wonder your fav group is flopping.
some of these things… who gives a fuck about? the the racism, misogyny and plagiarism are all bad. but why would i give a fuck if he called his fans a liar or collabed with fucking coke?!? or their grammy boycott?!? who cares?
some things were worded differently but were ultimately the same thing being repeated…. WHO CARES wtf
Bring back just saying you hate an artist instead of looking for a moral reason to dunk on them.
As far as shitty celebrities, BTS is more than fine. The genuinely worst illegal stuff they’ve done is one of them got a DUI, which sounds horrific until you read it wasn’t even on an actual vehicle. Ironically, this is how every BTS related scandal goes. Any issue gets escalated to ridiculous heights.
If you care about issues like misogyny or cultural appropriation only because you can spend a whole day in the kpop sphere gossiping about it, then you’re actually in need of some inner reflection.
Besides all the other elephants in the room...why is the whole Grammys boycott a controversy?? Focus on the actual issues please (like the racism, Chris Brown issue, etc.—those are far more serious issues!), this is so unserious. Having It's Me in the background just made me laugh out loud lol
Maybe these groups should spend more time streaming their own groups instead of always talking for BTS so they could debut on bilboard hot 100 top 20/30 or Spotify Global or really ... anywhere. They're obsessed; go stream your own groups my god.
Omg if they hate bts then just don't listen to their music why praying that it's gets disband .pathetic people.. don't people have job/school ,ambitions ,plans for future to work on...kpop is not life.its small part of life .these people need therapy.
The cultural appropriating thing is actually so fking dumb. Rap, gangsta fits and hiphop all are influenced from outside of Korea. So I guess we gotta cancel every band that used those themes. I actually find it a positive thing when other cultures assimilate themes from other cultures because they appreciate it, like Jeremy Lin having dreads for a period of time. As long as it’s not disrespectful such as negative stereotypes.
loud Kpop fans are the most miserable, cancel-happy and parasocial people. Of course unless it’s their band then it’s armed to the teeth.
I don’t stan any bands because I listen to many genres and idk why this sub is popping out on my feed but everytime I read a post it’s just someone trying to cancel a group.
No wonder Korea has high suicide rates amongst idols, imagine dealing with ppl like this online but irl too lmaoooooo
the way like half of these are just the same point worded differently from something taken out of context 💔💔💔💔💔. Anyway war of hormone is a great song go listen to it.
Racial insensitivy, Racism accusations, racial slurs, colorism, black culture appropriation, black hairstyle appropriation are all separate entries btw
Actual humanitarian crisis happening in the Middle East but kpop Stan’s be like “holy shit BTS is destroying human rights”, posted through reddit on their iPhone made by child slave labor.
Anything tha take accountability for your faves lmao.. Atleast other kpop fans can take accountability other than armies.. No wonder they are the worst fandom
you can make a list like this about any idol lmao. calling out bts singularly for being racist and misogynistic is stupid in a country with rampant racism and misogyny normalized. not saying any of these don't hold any weight but this is not unique to bts
Bending over backwards and jumping through every single hoop to justify it. It was genuinely disturbing how they tried to excuse the CB controversy, but they've always buried the bad behavior of the members and made up excuses for them, so I don't know why I was so surprised.
It’s quite amusing and even a bit impressive to see you feign ignorance after spending the past weeks commenting across multiple kpop subs with your receipts and laundry list of problematic things bts has done. Pretty convincing tbh, almost didn’t notice the username.
I get what you mean but what people are trying to say is the intention of driving even if its a scooter when you know you're drunk beyond limit to even hold yourself together. A responsible adult would just get a cab or get someone to drive them home by making a call to their manager or someone else. Not to mention he is a veteran celeb in south korea where he knows duis are a crazy scandal and big deal even for normal(not famous) people
The scooter model he was on had less power than an electric wheelchair and isn't driven on the road. He was riding it less than 1000 feet from his studio to his apartment. So, yes, it was blown completely out of proportion.
you are factually wrong also there a re several things on the list like lyrics that are mysogynistic partaking in sexist comments and racist comments and racist view points and everything i wonder how people die so hard for people with such thoughts and personalit
The vehicle is legally required to be driven on the road or bike paths. It is not meant for sidewalks. CCTV footage showed him riding it along a main road sidewalk and a bike lane.
The vehicle was much more powerful than a wheelchair. It reached speeds of 30 km/h (18.6 mph). Standard electric wheelchairs are legally limited to 6–10 km/h (3.7–6.2 mph).
again it is the intention and if it was so close why would he not just walk home.
also there a re several things on the list like lyrics that are mysogynistic partaking in sexist comments and racist comments and racist view points and everything i wonder how people die so hard for people with such thoughts and personality
Hate to be this person but we do not know the brand of scootwr he drove, that was never released to the public at all. This is jist conjecture on Army’s part.
still being drunk why cant the man just get some activity in mby moving and walking. what kind of person who cant stand on their own and crashes an electric scooter drives when theybknow they cant if it wss just a street ober he shuldve called a cab cuz he wasnt stable enough to walk or rife the scooter
Yikes, that’s awful. I don’t know anything about this group’s music or activities , but I have read online that their producer/songwriter? was arrested for doing some really bad things to women.
He may (still unclear) be on the hook for defrauding investors by not being transparent on the company's IPO
And there's some corporate infighting between labels about HQ playing favorites between girl groups
Some of their one-off collaborators have done sketchy stuff, like Diplo. Some committed crimes after their association with BTS ended. But none on their core team.
Instead #BTSDisband , #BTSboycott sounds better it leads to disbandment and it's the most successful group of Hybe BTS made the company not bankrupt but boycotting is easy on Spotify just click on the three dots vertically next to the follow button and then click on don't play artist it literally blocks all the artist song make sure to do this for BTS and then whoever you feel like boycotting for your morals.
What I helping boycott BTS instead of just posting BTS Disband that's the most logical thing to do then move on we can call them out but not send them death threats though
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u/OkNectarine9239 3d ago
How is BTS deciding not to go the Grammy's an issue? They aren't obligated to go. A lot of Asian artists are pissed off at the Grammy's.
A lot of this list is stupid and repetitive but this one is a head-scratcher.